The Syndicate

Syn wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 3:45 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 3:33 pm I have yet to win on this site by the way.

I fucking suck.
I lost my first half dozen games here too.

For some reason, I thought the losing streak was still going.

Bastard mod

Losing is winning in this case

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME Thank you for hosting.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 11:53 am GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG

Good fight surviving town people, and great finish mafia. I think the game can generally be reduced to town tinfoil being directed for good reasons at the wrong person (the case against ilario could largely be transplanted onto Dizzy, but none of us got there in time). That's a credit to the mafia team as a whole. Nice job.

We are in agreement.

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 11:47 am Wait, ya'll ended the game already

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 11:12 am
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 11:10 am Guys, in the host rules, self-voting is not permitted

LOL
Yes it is lol, but nice one

Guys, in the host rules, self-voting is not permitted

LOL

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 11:00 am I actually don't think anyone had a correct PoE at any point in the game.
But hole shit, this was hard work lol. So many obvious town players.
Good game. ^^

Yeah, you played well, town wasn't winning. 0% of town was correct.

Johanna wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 10:58 am
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 10:57 am
Johanna wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 10:57 am They did just hammer, NAA. Don't hide it.
I already called GG, wtf are you talking about?
You did move your vote. What's the point of that?

The game is over, I'm not sure you understand that the poll doesn't matter.

GJ Falcon & Dizzy, you distanced well from your team

Johanna wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 10:57 am They did just hammer, NAA. Don't hide it.

I already called GG, wtf are you talking about?

Johanna wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 10:56 am Now I understand when people talk about throwing. GG.

I mean, it's not throwing, we just weren't reading the game correctly.

I saw a 2nd hidden user come online and I very nearly unvoted..

GG, Wasn't catching Dizzy Falcon

If you're town, this will get hammered.

@Johanna How do you feel about this game of chicken?

@ilario You?

Hammer range

L-2 on me

@Johanna How about we give the win to Ilario / Falcon, Ilario / Dizzy if these are the teams?

ilario wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 10:44 am Fwiw: I advise all of town to just ignore NAAs posts, his goal is to ensue chaos if he’s mafia, which feels more and more likely, and if he’s town his goal is to just troll

You take away his power by just ignoring him until if he decides to actually gamesolve/evaluate the game

I'm the second most anti-town player in this game

Johanna wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 10:43 am I don't like to move my vote too much.

So you're pro pointless discussion, but you're against conclusively proving points that we've already discussed?

Johanna wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 10:41 am I think I should rather vote falcon, but if you insist...

I was going to ask you to do Falcon next.

@Johanna @ilario

Put both of your votes on me and let it sit.

Interesting that Ilario wants to put me with Johanna
And
Johanna wants to put me with Falcon

Johanna wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 10:23 am
ilario wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 10:21 am
Johanna wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 10:19 am Mostly that I have to choose between you two and I have no idea who. NAA is all over the place.
Why do you have to choose between us two? I’m much more likely to vote you than I am to vote NAA right now
And that matters how?

It doesn't matter where mafia votes.

ilario wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 10:21 am
Johanna wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 10:19 am Mostly that I have to choose between you two and I have no idea who. NAA is all over the place.
Why do you have to choose between us two? I’m much more likely to vote you than I am to vote NAA right now

ilario wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 10:20 am
Johanna wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 10:17 am So I did an exercise that should be of very limited usefulness.

I pulled up JJJ's alignment chart, I highlighted the chopped wolves and removed the flipped/poisoned townies, and it's interesting!

Like at this point it yields no compatible teams, because SoA would be compatible to Dizzy and NAA, but NAA is also the only person that JJJ thought Dolby could not be partnered with.

I did that and it's useless, but it's kind of a summary of where we were and I'm trying to look at where we are compared to it.
I appreciate jjjs work I really do, and it’s a great way to scumhunt. But the crux of using an interactions chart solely to solve the game is that all it requires is one wolf whose good at spew to throw off the accuracy of the entire data. What are your own individual thoughts? I don’t need to see people bring up dead townies reads again, I’m trying to read YOU not them.

This is incorrect. But it does somewhat rely on the user being right.

Johanna wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 10:19 am But like I hate this exchange of yours. I started reading about 40 minutes ago indeed.

I think "she's here and not posting so she has to be a wolf" is called angleshooting and goes against the rules, so please don't.

I'll angleshoot that the other way if you'd like.

Johanna wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 10:17 am So I did an exercise that should be of very limited usefulness.

I pulled up JJJ's alignment chart, I highlighted the chopped wolves and removed the flipped/poisoned townies, and it's interesting!

Like at this point it yields no compatible teams, because SoA would be compatible to Dizzy and NAA, but NAA is also the only person that JJJ thought Dolby could not be partnered with.

I did that and it's useless, but it's kind of a summary of where we were and I'm trying to look at where we are compared to it.

That's where I'm at to. JJJ and I were probably looking at similar things to dissociate, but my dissociation reads don't fully work either.

Also, I'm bored, it's a Friday morning at work, and you're all too much fun.

ilario wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 10:14 am
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 10:13 am @ilario drop a vote
U seem eager for this dome, what happened to wanting to vote sleep so much ?

We've regressed from baseless accusations to leading questions.

@ilario drop a vote

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 10:12 am
ilario wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 10:10 am And the more Johanna sits and watches without having any input the worse she looks fmpov

For anyone who reads this later, Johanna has been here since me and NAA started speaking
She's my partner, she doesn't know how to handle this situation because she's afraid I'm going to get myself killed ftl.

But I guess her understanding of this makes it unlikely for me to die to begin with.

ilario wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 10:10 am And the more Johanna sits and watches without having any input the worse she looks fmpov

For anyone who reads this later, Johanna has been here since me and NAA started speaking

She's my partner, she doesn't know how to handle this situation because she's afraid I'm going to get myself killed ftl.

ilario wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 10:04 am Also I remember dizzy said somewhere that he played a town game with NAA and NAA was completely wrong on everything lmao, so the fact that he’s had accurate reads at the start of the game is probably TMI because someone his caliber wouldn’t have those reads. And that’s why he’s struggled to each every read he’s given all game. He knows the reads are right, but he doesn’t know how to fake the reason as to why those reads are right

JJJ also quoted a town game where I was completely right on everything.

Shucks

I misread the player I'm most familiar with in the game...

Also you?

ilario wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 10:01 am I was starting to come to a realization yesterday that a significant portion of why I trd NAA came from his demeanor and the general notion that scum generally don’t approach the way he has. You rarely see scums just outright behave the way he did. But then when I think about it deeper, what town ever approaches the game the way he has either? He has started unprovoked attacks on most of the lobby, and I think what we initially considered something to be alignment indicate from him could simply just personality indicative. He said himself that he’s a di ck, and that’s probably the only thing he’s said all game that I believe. So if he’s a di ck in general, why would he not behave the way he has this game as mafia?

If you track NAAs progression in his iso, the most startling thing is, there is no progression. It’s full of contradictory statements. One moment he will have sloonei or jjj as a scumread, the next post he’s solving the game with them. One moment he’s saying voting someone who isn’t there makes him feel bad, the next he’s pushing for their death before they can even come back. He’s had a very confident tr on falcon that has been unexplained the entire game and looks very pockety and wreaks of TMI because nobody in the lobby had falcon as town d1. Naa even tried to claim credit for defending sig and LC, which he really didn’t even do, his only defense of LC was when He tried to Cw JJJ and get him voted off at one point near the end of d2. I challenge anyone this entire game to find me one single thing from his iso that shows a genuine game solving process that shows proper critical evaluation or a legitimate action that was done that was entirely townsided from him. If anyone can do that I will selfvote
And elim myself. But I am confident nobody can.

I game solved by finding Dolby and SoA town...

Oh wait, that was you.

I think it worked.

@Johanna I'm trying to get Ilario to use you as a crutch as a reason to justify my PoE being wrong.

Johanna wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 9:52 am I'm very confused.

NAA what are you doing.

Yes.

ilario wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 9:45 am Well okay let’s say Johanna is town, then whose my partner?

You had falcon as town for unexplained reasons since d1, I assume that hasn’t changed. Are you saying dizzy is the second mafia now?

We'll get to that after your flip

ilario wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 9:44 am She’s been in ur poe for days straight

She’s present and not saying anything

And you were voting her a few hours ago

I was also voting myself today

ilario wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 9:43 am
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 9:43 am I think Johanna is town though.
Lol

Cross-vote me bb let's go

I think Johanna is town though.

ilario wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 9:41 am
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 9:38 am
ilario wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 9:36 am Are you willing to bank the game on me and Johanna being partners?
I'm willing to play for a draw.
Lmao u can’t even answer a simple question lol

You called me and Johanna mafia

And now you’re walking back on what you said

I don’t care if you pretend like you’re playing for a draw, we both know that’s a lie

Answer my question

Am I and Johanna the scum team you’re locking in? Yes or no?

If I answer this question, you'll move on to the next thing, and that would be no fun at all.

ilario wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 9:36 am Are you willing to bank the game on me and Johanna being partners?

I'm willing to play for a draw.

ilario wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 9:36 am U haven’t answered any questions all game lol

Exactly

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