The Syndicate

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 10:03 pm I definitely didn't get rbed n3 bc i got my result lol

anne wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 9:58 pm Whoever I track I also jailkeep

anne wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 9:56 pm So I'm dying for sure?

leetic wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 9:50 pm LOL if scum just didn't submit a kill

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 9:19 pm Dunno if breaking the tie and taking Mac over anne or esooa over anne ever really mattered in the end. Each tie was w/w lol.

Day 2 it probably did matter because Mac might've found the wim to make the game harder for town, but probably didn't matter on Day 3.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 9:03 pm @Lime Coke - not that i disagree, but what made you change your mind on anne? is she outed and im missing something?

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 7:31 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 7:28 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 7:22 pm For anyone still thinking anne was a bus attempt, why would Jay on D1 choose anne as his preferred wagon when Axehole was still very much viable? It seemed like there was no real reason for scum to have bussed in that state. I want this point to actually be addressed, not with hypotheticals (e.g. "scum could have decided to bus" or "w/w wagons sometimes happen") but with explanations, and throwing out an inactive member doesn't really make sense either as anne did show up the next two days

When was the NAA wagon feasible? I don't really remember. I looked back at the poll state at 13 minutes before EOD, and Wilgy/anne were the competing wagons at the time.

Wilgy did have a vig, so that particular ability would be far more useful to mafia than most other abilities.


Anyway, I want to answer your question about NAA, I just don't know how to, and don't recall how viable NAA was.

Alright, one last post. JJJ last posted like ninety minutes before EoD (a little bit after post restrictions had been eased) and there were still a good number of votes on Axehole and Wilgy had yet to seriously catch on.

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 6:48 pm @Dyslexicon, are you tired of me scumreading you? If so, I've got good news for you, because I've just come up with a brilliant plan that could potentially remove you from the PoE. However, if it is to happen, I need the cooperation of @staypositivefriend.

What are you testing?
Well, you see, when I was thinking over your claim I remember that you said that your messages would roleblock people if you are scum. Well, I was thinking that that is something we could test, and I've come up with a way to do it.

So what's the plan?
So, spf uses her second JOAT ability, the one that "can make a players(sic) actions go through on the night that [spf targets] them". If I'm understanding the role correctly, use it on LC, as it's important that his role works tonight. Then, Dyslexicon should send a message to spf. If spf is not roleblocked, then that means Dyslexicon is not mafia according to their claim.

Why does it have to be spf?
Simple process of elimination, well a different PoE to finding wolves but you get the point.
- Esooa and anne have roles that would be perfect for testing roleblocks, but both are likely to be targeted by LC, and if LC dies then those results would be muddled.
- LC's action is too important to risk roleblocking.
- iaafr and Wilgy used their shots and no longer have a night action.
- Marmot and I/ilario never had a night action to begin with.
- Not fully sure that I understand @anne's claim fully, but if it's a potential tracker it could still be useful.

Why should I go along with this plan?
Even if some people townread you, you don't have the mechanical/game event-related evidence that keeps iaafr, LC, and Marmot out of the PoE. If you can do this without roleblocking spf, then you will at the very least move above Wilgy in my list. And, if spf says she was roleblocked, then that means either you or spf lied, and we can solve from there. We already did well today to remove iaafr and Axehole from the PoE, narrowing it further will basically guarantee a town victory as long as town doesn't fall asleep at the wheel.

Does anyone else need to do anything?
@Lime Coke, don't target Dyslexicon or spf if they go along with the plan. I won't tell you how to use your role further, just to use it. Everyone else can just do whatever.

That is a cool plan!
Why, thank you very much. If we can focus on solving, there's no way that we'll lose!

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 3:14 pm accept anne's mafia alignment into your heart and we will be at peace and sweep the game

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 3:11 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 3:09 pm I say that I'm trying to stop being toxic and actually try to do so, people just see it as a reason to beat on me and never actually help me.

What do you want help with?

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 3:02 pm Where's your head at Lime Coke? You do seem really uncomfortable today compared to Day 1. Is that normal for you?

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 2:55 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 2:20 pm

Spoiler: show

anne wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 2:59 pm

cassandra wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 2:57 pm

anne wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 2:55 pm can someone give me a scumread. as in write a scumread for me that i can use and vote on.

Mac's posts did nothing to me and felt like he was struggling to generate content

JJJ feels distinctly off - his posting isn't bad but lacks the town leadershipness. i think he's either mafia or some PR trying to survive

NAA feels less towny than last game though admittedly my eyes glazed over when i read a lot of their posts

there u go

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also i just remembered MR's entrance felt kinda towny.

okay. im gonna go reread Mac and NAA posts since i didn't really get to read those in-depth.

Anne's first mention of Mac comes in the waning moments of Day 1, she runs off to look at NAA and Mac. She never actually looked into Mac before EOD, but she did look into NAA. I find this a little alarming, but not a lot, given the time factor of EOD, and that I think NAA was actually a wagon whereas Mac never was. (Someone correct me if I'm wrong on NAA being a wagon).

anne wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 12:16 pm Okay, first of all it's impossible for me to engage with this thread when the majority of conversation happens at like 3 AM. Second of all, imma need you to take your votes off of me because it don't make no sense. I was distracted during the previous EOD and I actually went back and reread everything I missed from that, but unfortunately you guys posted up a storm today and I won't be at all re-reading that because it's too much.

So with that I say that we need to stop clearing everyone for "claims". Roles were randed before alignments in the setup so mafia could theoretically have any roles available to them. This isn't important to my point because I don't FOS anyone who has an open claim rn idt, but something to keep in mind. Second of all, I want Nutella to explain why she pushed me when I was not around and apparently continues to do so just based on my skimming? JJJ was extremely reluctant to TR me for a reason, because he knows I am town. Now if I had to guess, JJJ probably was townreading at least one of his buddies. I'd need to go back and reread his posts though to figure out exactly who he was townreading to begin with though.

Also iaafr keeps trying to shove me into a POE with NAA. We can't be teamed so you need to get over that, already your POE is flawed. The reason me and NAA can't be teamed is that if he were my partner I would not buss him and leave my vote up on him like that as mafia ever, it just doesn't happen. I am already anti-bussing to begin with, but I would not miss EOD as wolf knowing it's possible a partner goes over and do nothing to stop. Which is already a point in my favor why I can't be mafia with JJJ, but I acknowledge his wagon formed rather quickly so it doesn't really "count".

Anyways, I'm going to actually give some reads now. I think there was at least one mafia voting me at EOD, either Wigly or Nutella, maybe even both but might be unlikely due to JJJ's vote being on me. Cassandra is probably town for... emotional reasons I don't care to get into. Also she claimed her role for no reason which is rand v for her anyways. I think iaafr's approach to me today has been somewhat opportunistic and he won't even wait to see what I have to say at all, but I liked his day 1 so idk. Also I still think ilario/leetic are town, mostly cause of ilario now because I think leetic has dropped off. Also as I'm typing this, I'm wondering if it's possible Mac and Falcon are both mafia and share the same alignment similar to ilario/leetic? Anyways have a reads list

Ilario/Leetic
LimeCoke
Cassandra
Marmot
Mac
Dizzy
Falcon
SPF
iaafr
NAA
Nutella
Wigly

Not putting Esooa on the list because I haven't read a single one of her posts or Sloonei's posts.

Anne does consider Mac/falcon being a scum team together, but she put Mac pretty high on the list, so

anne wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 1:15 pm And I do think Mac and Falcon can be the same alignment anyways, similar to Ilario/Leetic. I agree it's not 100%, but let's not ignore how weird it was for Mac to just come in and clear Falcon right away.

anne wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 1:17 pm Also Mac flipping mafia would neither clear Falcon nor condemn him while the opposite is true, so idk mech stuff

I don't mind this take from Anne. I think she was the only one who really thought falcon was possibly scum.

anne wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 1:22 pm I don't think voting Falcon before Mac matters because I think they both can be scum. You're trying to create an argument where there is none other than your preference to flip Mac first for mech reasons

anne wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 1:24 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 1:22 pm

anne wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 1:13 pm Where did I suspect the mech clears? Please tell me, Nutella. All I said is that mech clears don't exist in this game as we typically know it, a factually true statement. If you want to suspect me then go right ahead, but don't make up things I never said.

I did near mech clears, yes I know there aren't real mech clears youal are entirely missing my point. The point is we are taking them as town for now and working with a poe and i think maybe you're not happy with that poe and want to expand it.

Sure I think Mac should be in the poe, but not falcon. Illeeric I think are most likely just town from play, it did cross my mind that it could be like a jekyll and hyde situation where one of them is actually mafia but that would be pretty bastard lol. Like I think leetics playstyle alone explains why he's so hard to work with and the way he grabs onto things is towny if aggravating.

Well, I had leetic as my strongest townread, so did you read my post? That's not what I meant when I said we shouldn't mech clear people, also I was referring to the opposite which would be Mac/Falcon sharing alignments. The POE right now is just me basically, so of course anyone I suspect would be "expanding" it and if you look closely at my post, if I was mafia trying to expand the POE then i didn't do a very good job with it.

anne wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 1:25 pm

cassandra wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 1:23 pm

anne wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 1:22 pm I don't think voting Falcon before Mac matters because I think they both can be scum. You're trying to create an argument where there is none other than your preference to flip Mac first for mech reasons

Mac has claimed a green check on Falcon. This game is not bastard
If you think Falcon is scum, you vote Mac first

You not understanding this is incredibly wolfy to me

I don't automatically have perfect mech understanding 100% of the time

anne wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 1:29 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 1:27 pm Hey alexa, vote anne already. You've been dancing around seriously scumreading her all game, you should commit atp.

anne wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 1:24 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 1:22 pm

anne wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 1:13 pm Where did I suspect the mech clears? Please tell me, Nutella. All I said is that mech clears don't exist in this game as we typically know it, a factually true statement. If you want to suspect me then go right ahead, but don't make up things I never said.

I did near mech clears, yes I know there aren't real mech clears youal are entirely missing my point. The point is we are taking them as town for now and working with a poe and i think maybe you're not happy with that poe and want to expand it.

Sure I think Mac should be in the poe, but not falcon. Illeeric I think are most likely just town from play, it did cross my mind that it could be like a jekyll and hyde situation where one of them is actually mafia but that would be pretty bastard lol. Like I think leetics playstyle alone explains why he's so hard to work with and the way he grabs onto things is towny if aggravating.

Well, I had leetic as my strongest townread, so did you read my post? That's not what I meant when I said we shouldn't mech clear people, also I was referring to the opposite which would be Mac/Falcon sharing alignments. The POE right now is just me basically, so of course anyone I suspect would be "expanding" it and if you look closely at my post, if I was mafia trying to expand the POE then i didn't do a very good job with it.

The poe is really not just you lol. Sure it's technically possible mac and falcon are w/w but the way they explained the mech I think it is exceedingly unlikely. Falcon should be taken as near clear for now imo, it's optimal to go along with it etc

I don't think you understand what I meant, but apparently no one is so it's frustrating and I guess I didn't explain well. I didn't mean flip Falcon first before Mac or whatever, I was just trying to work out how their claim works in the thread.

Anne discusses this further with nutella and others wert Mac/falcon. I agree that Mac first was always the correct flip given the green check existence, but again, unless mafia was relying on Anne to deepwolf (or Mac), pushing in this direction regardless seems counterproductive.

I also firmly believe that nutella and Anne are anti-teamed, or at least not w/w,

anne wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:21 am like id rather vote mac at this point. i think falcon is scummy and he could be w/w with mac and mac isnt that townie either so like he can go

Eventually votes Mac (so she can kill falcon mostly).

Here are Anne's interactions/mentions with Mac.

Anne's take was very specific and kinda counter to what the thread was doing, but her actions were ultimately pro-town, and also despite pushing a different take, her take brought us to the same conclusion, so it's fine.

Her lack of mentioning or looking into Mac Day 1 was a little alarming.


Overall: I want to chop nutella first. If nutella flips wolf, I'm willing to take Anne as town until LYLO. Otherwise, I'll reconsider.

Posting this again because it's relevant.

Anne didn't talk about Mac Day 1 at all, and even on Day 2, she pursued falcon as a SR more than Mac.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 2:52 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 2:51 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 2:48 pm Honestly, I see your point Lime. Probably more so for Esooa. But what I also see is that neither or Esooa's or Anne's solving has been strong at all. Not only strong, it hasn't been towny.

Anne's solving lead to a scum!Mac yeet.

It did not. A lot of people had Mac on their radar. Wasn't Anne on that quite late? SPF pushed Mac, as had Ilario done all day.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 2:48 pm Honestly, I see your point Lime. Probably more so for Esooa. But what I also see is that neither or Esooa's or Anne's solving has been strong at all. Not only strong, it hasn't been towny.

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 2:40 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 2:39 pm I really just want to kill nutella here but Alexa dying townreading her and SPF townreading her is stopping it.

Next best thing is Esooa and that feels like shit.

Why does chopping esooa feel like shit?

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 1:01 am If we keep talking about it, we can resolve that.

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 12:55 am Everyone who managed to eclipse the postcap-per-day threshold should receive the Hally medal of volume.

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 12:42 am I signed up for role madness, why'd this become a simple straightforward game

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 12:38 am

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 6:56 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 6:52 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 6:51 pm I'd be fine with the wagons being between Nutella and Esooa I just need to look through things to see which one I'd vote before this is all set and done.

at the risk of looking dumb in post-game, i really really do not think nutella is a wolf

Alright if you're that confident I'll vote Esooa when the time is right.

Who do you think is her partner?

I'm going to have to leave the house so I'll be back later tonight.

if this game is easy, then all of the wolves are contained within esooa/drwilgy/dyslexicon/anne

i think that iaafr is clear. i think that lime coke is obvious town. i think that nutella is town. i think that marmot is town. i think that illario/leetic as town. i have some paranoia about misreading a slot among those names, but i haven't seen any good arguments for why any of them could be a wolf, and i'm not going to overcomplicate a game that has so far proven to be pretty simple and straightforward

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 6:52 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 6:51 pm I'd be fine with the wagons being between Nutella and Esooa I just need to look through things to see which one I'd vote before this is all set and done.

at the risk of looking dumb in post-game, i really really do not think nutella is a wolf

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 6:15 pm totally minor point but fwiw i disagree with the notion that mac was a "softcore" wolf to catch - yes, the majority of the thread had POE'd him, but the majority of the thread was also weirdly reluctant to vote for him or push on him, and a large portion of them were willingly sheeping his wolfread on me a couple of hours before the EOD. the momentum on mac only really came back once i outright called him a wolf at the EOD, and he probably wouldnt have gone through at all if i didnt emphasize several times that i thought he was clearly the best chop

the fact that mac was very clearly trying to angle me to be mischopped is probably the most clearing thing for me, in conjunction with the fact that i brought him back in contention as a chop at a point when his position was relatively "safe"

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:15 pm A shot rings out

NAA is dead, he was David Hume, TOWN role cop.

iaafr wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 5:34 am why are you townreading her again

iaafr wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 5:32 am maybe to punish esooa for ateing me as either alignment i will honor alexa's apparent immediate legacy and our own shared poe and go back to trying this first

[VOTE: anne] aubergine