The Syndicate

GG town! Was a fun game to play through!

@Vulgard

Good try in the end. I might've screwed up and spewed everyone town before I died. Something I might have to work on.

I mean if all 4 of me, you, Alexa, and Ilario are town and it's all correct, then we have a 3 of Nanook, TSP, and Wulgard spot. We can basically fly through that POE and win.

Look, if you're going to scumread me, and if I somehow get misyeeted based off of your conf-bias. I need to do some sort of house cleaning before going.

First of all, @EnderWiggin if you're considering any scum between Alexa/Ilario, the scum is probably Ilario in that. Like I've told Mac, if I get into F3 with Alexa I'm snap voting the third person the moment the day starts. That's how confident I am with her being town.

Vulgard slot is most likely mafia with the way he started going after me when he realized he subbed into a slot that was getting a lot of heat. He saw you were tunneling me and he wants to feed off of it.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 3:53 pm Fwiw the lime vote on Vulgard is really bad

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 3:54 pm Like atrocious

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 3:57 pm I mean technically it’s good but it feels not good

His shading and vote on me is awful. His reasoning and everything.

Plus I didn't refer to calling someone fucking stupid for scumreading you. That also is progress.

Now watch me get unbanned from MU and I start raging on people there.

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 12:00 pm fwiw Brad if you're town this game I respect you for keeping out of the toxicity and if i'm misreading you it may be because i have the expectation of you from getting passionate and more frustrated

I think I'm more mad at being wrong scumread wise than I am with pressure.

The only time I was actually mad was getting voted before I started driving day 1.

And again I'm working on the rage aspect. I didn't get pissed during Batman game so I'm making progress apparently.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 1:40 pm
ilario wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 12:30 pm @TonyStarkPrime do you have any reason why I think that nanook or ender would in particular want syn gone ?

The same question applies to @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME and @EnderWiggin about tsp and each other
I dont understand your question

Wolfy post.

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Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 12:41 pm
ilario wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 12:34 pm The NK wasn’t esooa, the NK was syn, and that may mean something
Keep in mind we did this with my slot when Hally subbed into Lime with my LDies read.

Dota was the only one who investigated LDies slot. For that he was the REAL hero of that game.

I don't know why I put "we" when I wasn't in the game/dead.

ilario wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 12:34 pm The NK wasn’t esooa, the NK was syn, and that may mean something

Keep in mind we did this with my slot when Hally subbed into Lime with my LDies read.

Dota was the only one who investigated LDies slot. For that he was the REAL hero of that game.

I don't think there were any issues that I can recall for Esooa? She was basically right in townreading Transcend (I even wrote a paragraph about it) and I think she was townreading Mac?

I gotta get ready and drive to work.

[VOTE: Wulgard] aubergine

Incase I don't get back in time.

@alexa

Also "Why did I have to" because this is a good town and I don't want to fuck the game up for them like a certain someone did in Lime game.

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 12:01 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 11:59 am
alexa wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 11:58 am
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 11:57 am
alexa wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 11:55 am i've never seen you case anyone before LC lmao
I think I've only done it 1 time but I forgot who it was.
what made you decide to this game?
Because I fucked up on MacDougal and realized that I had to make it up.
why did you have to though? and what led you to think it was Nanook after the Mac green?

He said this:

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 6:07 pm If scum have any cajones they'll kill me tonight

And I was like...this feels performative of "Get me out of this game."

So I iso'd him and came out feeling like he was mafia.

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 11:58 am
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 11:57 am
alexa wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 11:55 am i've never seen you case anyone before LC lmao
I think I've only done it 1 time but I forgot who it was.
what made you decide to this game?

Because I fucked up on MacDougal and realized that I had to make it up.

ilario wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 11:57 am
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 11:54 am
ilario wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 11:49 am Cos ur not even pushing him that much
I don't necessarily "push" on people. My idea is to "gather the troops" and 1 by 1 get people to vote out who I want voted out.

This was similar to how I won cop CC battles on EpicMafia. I would basically just ATE the entire player roster 1 by 1 to get them to vote out my CC.

I was somewhat doing the same here until Alexa stood her ground and spoke about wanting Wiml out instead, that's when I unvoted and spoke about my intentions of voting out Wiml.
Huh?? How did wiml get into this? Isn’t ur case on nanook??

Are you reading what's going on?

Yes I cased Nanook.

But when I tried to talk to Alexa about getting him, she told me she would rather get Wiml. So I decided "sure, why the fuck not?" since there's dead towns that scumread the slot before dying.

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 11:55 am i've never seen you case anyone before LC lmao

I think I've only done it 1 time but I forgot who it was.

I'm shifting at Vulgard though, Wiml had me townread at first.

Then Vulgard gets on and his shade on me is like...

1. "I find LC to be town, but in this game he's scummy"

2. LC asking what post cap is makes him scummy.

3. LC agrees often with what his top townread says.

I feel like the dude is seeing Ender's vote on me and is trying to take advantage by shading posts that aren't really anything.

ilario wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 11:49 am Cos ur not even pushing him that much

I don't necessarily "push" on people. My idea is to "gather the troops" and 1 by 1 get people to vote out who I want voted out.

This was similar to how I won cop CC battles on EpicMafia. I would basically just ATE the entire player roster 1 by 1 to get them to vote out my CC.

I was somewhat doing the same here until Alexa stood her ground and spoke about wanting Wiml out instead, that's when I unvoted and spoke about my intentions of voting out Wiml.

ilario wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 11:47 am At the same time I still can’t get over how LC made an entire case about someone and then almost forgot their existence right after. That’s why I always try and rely on others to read him LOLLL

I focused on him entirely and made sure people read my case? How is that forgetting?

ilario wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 9:14 am
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:52 pm I mean the people townreading me confidently are Alexa, who I've stated we've been t/t around 10 games by now, and Illario, which pinged me but if he's actually town this game then holy shit we've made progress. Both are from my homesite and have played with me numerous times.

I believe the others were Ender and Mac? I haven't seen their reasoning but they are the ones that have played only 1 or 2 games with me. Ender I'm confident is town as I've stated before, Mac I gotta see what's going on the later the game goes.
what maade u so confident on ender atp?

He made that "I think LC is town for now, but if he's wolf I'll find him day 3" which I found both funny and accurate because people don't catch me until day 2/3.

Vulgard wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 9:36 am Starting to think I might've given Nanook too much credit for his early posting, but I still think he's a bit above null regardless.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:41 pm What's the post cap in this game per day?
Genuinely find this post wolfy because asking about the postcap feels like "how many times do I have to post." Might be a dumb read but idk.

Fuck no?

I wrote that because I noticed Alexa had like 70 posts at that point and her biggest rival in the game of Forum Mafia is post caps. So it was more of a service to her rather than me because I don't hit cap that often.

Vulgard wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 8:02 am
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:20 pm
Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:15 pm due to my ridiculously high scum flip ratio idek if i've played as town with either ilario or alexa so this would be my first time sorting them in a forum setting lol

i've specced games w/ both of them as scum and they usually make it p deep if not endgame
I've explained 1 thing about her meta, when she's going to certain people (Illario, Esooa to an extent this game) trying to get them to townread her it's typically in her town meta. She works extremely hard on getting townread early and then solves. People have called it LAMIST but that's just what she does.

She'll use her vote multiple times but it's gonna be hard to track with this site. She's been verbally saying her votes though so basically treat it like EM forum games.

There's a few other things. Like, I've found her as town quickly in numerous games. She's not a hard town to find.
That explains a bit, it's NAI for Lime Coke though because I assume this player has experience with her. Unless the entire thing is a lie, but several players here should be able to call that out if it were so, and I don't think anyone did? I assume people would be talking about this if they did.

I'm starting to notice a pattern of focusing on meta assessments and seemingly disregarding everything else. Lime Coke's entire earlygame is filled with metareads on other players and discussions about How These Player Treat Each Other In Games and it doesn't feel like it's going anywhere. Or maybe I'm just getting tired of it because I'm not sure where half these reads come from (I have little to no past experience to draw from).

I think illario's villagery despite that and I still townread Nanook for bad reasons. Alexa is realistically null but I still feel like she could be a wolf atp. Lime Coke is... well, I want to say they're town, but they're probably a top scumread within this playerlist for a reason. I think their posts early on have been fine, but the complete zeroing-in on meta and the people they know feels more like they're trying to participate in existing discourse rather than bring independent ideas to the table. That's the opposite of what alexa's doing, since alexa had outed like six different reads by then, some already with progression. By far the solviest player on the opening pages.

My alexa wolfread may just be paranoia. It's not like her posts are bad when I look past the self-awareness and overreactions (which are like 90% personality-indicative and not alignment-indicative anyway). That said, I'm still not confident enough to call her town.

Yes I've had about 10+ games with Alexa, I've townread her correctly in all of those in a matter of a few posts.

I do focus a bit more on meta with players I know. Just a good place to start then look at their game content.

Wait so I'm town but I'm a scumread? Which one is it?

ALEXA TOWN you just have paranoia.

Vulgard wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 8:30 am

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:42 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:41 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:40 pm @Alison

Wait, legitimate question. Scoring out of 10, what is my wolf game?
2.
Yeah, exactly, you have like no reason to have any paranoia on me.
Lime Coke wants to have good rapport with everyone, but isn't making any actual reads outside of presenting meta analyses that several players in this game already know.

Seems like IIoA and trying to position themselves in the thread.

I just pride myself in getting townread early. I never get mischopped and I've had a few things to brag in terms of that.

Vulgard wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 6:46 am

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 7:42 pm I actually don't have a single read yet.
I know this is like, 105 pages back, but.

Lime Coke, why did you feel pressured to give reads on page 1? Your statement implies you felt like you should have reads but did not, and I’m not sure where the first part comes from. The only read on that page before your post was Nanook hard townreading Transcend (correctly, but that’s beside the point), so it’s not like everyone was giving reads left and right. I’m not even sure whether Nanook’s townread was serious.

Because as a former EM player, and just my playstyle in general, I end up with a few snapreads early game. I saw nothing I could really give an alignment read before I posted.

Vulgard wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 7:05 am
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:41 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:38 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:21 pm Like, she hasn't really done anything that's her town game YET. If Alexa gets going she'll be obvious town.
Everything I do is my town game because I’m town

(I also agree I don’t think I’ve done anything AI yet if someone had a correct read on me it would be surprising or a crapshoot from numbers/probability odds)
Yes, and everyone that is townreading you that's not me has TMI.

I will then tunnel those individuals, and then complain about them once they flip town and take 0 blame.

Then proceed to lead town into an L.
…Sure. Kinda villagery? The mindset presented isn't something I see wolves fake very often, because it's dumb and wolves ~usually~ don't want to sound dumb.

This was me making a joke about a game prior to this on MU, the one where I was banned specifically. We had a player basically tunnel all villagers and townread the entire wolf team, anytime someone had a correct read that wasn't her, she would call it "TMI."

Then after that person would die and flip town, she would complain about that person instead of blaming herself for misreading the player(s). She basically lost the game for town.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 7:07 am
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 11:40 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 11:38 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 11:36 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 11:30 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 11:27 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 11:26 pm ok that last post from LC is actually villagery af

yes @Lime Coke but i have some problems with it

why do you think Wiml is town?
What are the problems?
first thing that sticks out from memory is the "TMI" read on transcend because transcend was nook's first townread, why would that approach be considered TMI?
i will go through it for real though actually in the morning i'm kind of too tired to game right now but yeah
Because who ACTUALLY townreads Transcend in this game? Even if you "say" you townread him, you never actually meant it. Fuck him, ya'know.

Nanook just threw a townread on Transcend and never explained why. It's a TMI read.
Idk dude he looked like obvious town to me
That's not a real thought.
did you read his posts

Still not a real thought.

Vulgard wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 7:13 am
alexa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:59 pm kind of gut townreading EnderWiggin
I'm not seeing where she's getting that from. I know it's gut, but still.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:01 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:59 pm kind of gut townreading EnderWiggin
Agreeing with you. The "I'll find him by Day 3" post was actually kinda bad ass and towny.
It feels like Lime Coke is just agreeing with everything alexa is saying, no matter what it is. And sure, Lime has a townread on alexa already at this point, but the complete and utter agreeability is... odd. Especially since I don't even find alexa towny judging by her posts until then.

?probably? not W/W? I can't see them aligning themselves together so quickly in a game and setup like this, where they'd have to hope neither ever flips, because otherwise both will - and town wins.

I mean...I agree with most of the things she says because 1. She's better than me and 2. We sorta think the same when reading people?

I gotta respond to these a few quotes at a time because I'm getting lost when Vulgard is having multiquotes that involve multiple quotes themselves.

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 11:23 am oh good

[VOTE: LIME COKE] aubergine

Give me a minute?

Okay I woke up to 8 notifications.

What the hell is going on?

Plus I think it's only right that since we got mine yesterday, today we get yours.

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 12:03 am
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 12:01 am
alexa wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 11:58 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 11:55 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 11:53 pm i feel like i've been playing this game like absolute fucking shit and a large part of me just wants out
You're playing fine <3

I think we're getting close to the actual solve. If we're confident in our townreads then we can easily corner mafia.

You're still 100% on Ilario right? I'm leaving it to you because you read him better.
uhhh i don't know. i think i am. i don't want to vote him right now

this thought process is villagery from you i think @.@
If you're more confident on Wiml being maf then I'll be fine with voting him out today, then. I'll trust your instincts on this one.
ah
now i realize

Hm?

[VOTE: Unvote] aubergine

SEE? I DID THE VISUAL UNVOTE!!!!

I'm not gonna put him at L-1.

alexa wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 11:58 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 11:55 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 11:53 pm i feel like i've been playing this game like absolute fucking shit and a large part of me just wants out
You're playing fine <3

I think we're getting close to the actual solve. If we're confident in our townreads then we can easily corner mafia.

You're still 100% on Ilario right? I'm leaving it to you because you read him better.
uhhh i don't know. i think i am. i don't want to vote him right now

this thought process is villagery from you i think @.@

If you're more confident on Wiml being maf then I'll be fine with voting him out today, then. I'll trust your instincts on this one.

alexa wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 11:56 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 11:43 pm @alexa

You know what? I think I know what's wrong with the case...

I needed to look at it from a different angle.

Can you do me a favor and read the case again if I post it?

Maybe if I replace my analysis with cat pictures that go with what's going on in the quotes you'd vote Nanook?

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NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 6:43 pm Hard townread Transcend

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 11:46 am What are people doing on obvtown transcend, smh hes billboard town

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:46 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:15 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:13 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:02 pm Because I respect a lot of the players in here, and people I respect have respect for some of the other players.

Which suggests it's a strong field.
Meh most players are not that hard to read
what reads do you have rn
You and transcend are billboard town

Ender is probably town

Someone else idr who but im sure its in my iso

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 2:51 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:47 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:46 pm Ok so since the thread died and I've got nowhere better to talk about this.

I ate a burger with macaroni cheese because that's apparently a thing in America and it was actually nice.

Please ignore me now.
lol is it? i've never had that

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:46 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:15 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:13 pm

Meh most players are not that hard to read
what reads do you have rn
You and transcend are billboard town

Ender is probably town

Someone else idr who but im sure its in my iso
why's transcend town?
I'm good at reads

Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:48 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:46 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:15 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:13 pm

Meh most players are not that hard to read
what reads do you have rn
You and transcend are billboard town

Ender is probably town

Someone else idr who but im sure its in my iso
Talk me through Ender please.
I'm good at reads

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 2:00 pm What is "billboard town" and how do I get one?
Billboard town is someone so obviously town its like there's a billboard with their face on it that says "this person is town"

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 4:06 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 4:05 pm -refuses to explain read on Transcend
-wolfreads ilario

content bad nanook
I don't really do cases

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:36 pm [VOTE: ilario] aubergine

Im hard defending alexa, a decision i surely will not regret

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:02 pm
ilario wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:49 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:45 pm God I can't get over how town I am.
tbh, i believe you here
Two mafia right here bingo bango

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 4:39 pm
Transcend wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 4:34 pm Describe why ilario is scum in like 20 words
The reason that ilario is scum in like twenty words is because they randed mafia this game. That's twenty exactly.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 4:44 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 4:42 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 4:37 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 4:22 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 4:15 pm I skimmed through the opening of ilario's scum game that you linked wiml and it doesn't seem like a dramatic difference to me? Maybe I'll read it in depth more later but yeah not seeing it atm
Tbf it's a lot like alexa said. Like the best comparison is a player like Esooa who is a really capable wolf but half of her town games are just very different and she's easy to find in them?

alexa in particular is a good enough illario reader that she was so (correctly) confident that a red peek on him was fake that she wanted to chop the (real) cop.

I think the one thing that is a tangible non-meta difference is how much he focuses on pushing agendas. One thing I recall noticing in a lot of illario's wolf games is that there's a lack of real depth to his ISOs and he mostly just pushes opportunistic takes. I talked about it earlier but he's a very A to B style wolf.

If he's still in doubt later then I'll go through his wolf games and try to actively towncase why he's town this game since it's a but difficult to do outside of meta. But I'm like 90% confident he is tbh.
I mean, fmpov pushing me IS a pretty opportunistic take, yeah?
Why ilario specifically and not the other people pushing you?
I'm not SRing him for pushing me, im just pointing out that "he's opportunistic as mafia" isn't a reason to clear him fmpov given his push on me

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 5:11 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 5:08 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 5:01 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 5:00 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 4:58 pm tbh me wanting to policy nanook is my town tell
This is also sort of unironically true lol.
Good lord
The real read is that Esooa really doesn't like killing plwyers she sees as LHF as a wolf on D1 (as she wants easier miselims to endgame / doesn't bus excessively) so her actually pushing for this is >rand town lol.

She's completely self aware of this though so I'm not putting a huge amount of stock into it outside of a snappy comment.
Her pushing me specifically is most certainly not >rand town. Its >rand esooa and thats it.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:54 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:48 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:42 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:37 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:31 pm

Alison or lime

Maybe tsp, dependent on ilario's flip
Tbf I wouldn't be incredibly shocked if there was a wolf in those three names, particularly because I no longer have a reason to TR Alison as strongly and her attempt at a push on me felt like a stretch.

TSP if illario is town? Do you have any familiarity with him and his meta?

Also seriously please explain why you think blade is town here lol. I'm usually not bad at reading him but I'm not seeing it here tbh.
With tsp? Yes, lots. It rarely helps.

I'm good at reading blade idk what to tell you. He has townie drive, is that something that'll convince you?
Thanks. Most importantly: does TSP ever slank like this as a wolf in his normal wolf games? If no, do you think he'd be capable of taking a step back this game if he had a sufficiently strong partner? I talked about my thoughts on that earlier but I'm interested in hearing what you think with actual experience playing with him lol.

As for blade, not really tbh. Do you have any thoughts on him claiming that I haven't towntold yet but then sort of rolling that back and saying that I hadn't done anything town indicative yet instead? (After I called him out because I knew he had no real town tells on me and was pushing that in bad faith).
Tsp is capable of slanking as either alignment

I do not, I found that exchange entirely meaningless.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 4:04 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 3:35 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 3:24 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 3:21 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 3:19 pm Honestly I think both wolves are probably just in Transcend/blade/Nook/Mac.
This is an insane read
i actually agree with it atm

Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 3:22 pm alexa is obviously town.
illario is obviously town.
Esooa and LC are both in their town ranges.
I'm waiting for more responses but I honestly don't think alison would fake a derp clear like that for no reason?
Willing to sheep the TSP meta for now as well.
i mean i don't think alison is town for that reason, she quite literally admitted she'd fake a derp, but i've found her villagery by play thus far
I'm not going to just clear Alison on this one thing forever but I know personally if I were town in Alison's situation and made a genuine slip then I think I would lie about it being NAI tbh (and I have in the past when being cleared for genuine townslips). I find them to be pretty dirty and getting cleared for them feels really demeaning lol. I think it comes from Alison as town the overwhelming majority of the time tbh.
This is not a good read lol

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 5:28 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 5:27 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 5:26 pm Idk mac are you town
yes I am le town

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 5:26 pm What are your reads
didn't you vote me because you read my reads post and didn't like it?
No im voting you cause I tr transcend

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:14 pm I mean you could probably talk me into other options, im not confident at all on wiml

Mac, lime, Alison, all currently in my poe and I could be talked into voting

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 4:26 am
Transcend wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 4:25 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 4:25 am
Transcend wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 4:21 am if u r town trying to vote out mafia why r u doing the bare minimum to explain ur read especially when it defies thread consensus

i don't understand ur approach but i don't sr it either
I don't really "make pushes" or "case people," I just say my reads and eventually people listen to them and/or I die
who is another wolf besides ilario
Pick one out of mac wiml Alison lime

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 6:59 pm I pretty much just want wiml and ilario dead today

Lime is also poe, tsp too, less interested in both

I will hammer anyone tho given the opportunity to

NANOOK =

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 5:13 pm Shrug

Ok fine

When you guys are done killing me transcend and, idk, probably tsp, and you're looking around trying to figure out who could possibly be mafia, come back to my iso cause my legacy is gonna be good as hell

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 5:23 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 5:22 pm Meh im only at 4 locks if I don't count myself

Trans ender alexa and esooa

So need two more

I'll find them later probably
If ilario mafia tsp is a fifth lock

If im wrong on trans mac becomes lock town

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:54 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:48 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:42 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:37 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:31 pm

Alison or lime

Maybe tsp, dependent on ilario's flip
Tbf I wouldn't be incredibly shocked if there was a wolf in those three names, particularly because I no longer have a reason to TR Alison as strongly and her attempt at a push on me felt like a stretch.

TSP if illario is town? Do you have any familiarity with him and his meta?

Also seriously please explain why you think blade is town here lol. I'm usually not bad at reading him but I'm not seeing it here tbh.
With tsp? Yes, lots. It rarely helps.

I'm good at reading blade idk what to tell you. He has townie drive, is that something that'll convince you?
Thanks. Most importantly: does TSP ever slank like this as a wolf in his normal wolf games? If no, do you think he'd be capable of taking a step back this game if he had a sufficiently strong partner? I talked about my thoughts on that earlier but I'm interested in hearing what you think with actual experience playing with him lol.

As for blade, not really tbh. Do you have any thoughts on him claiming that I haven't towntold yet but then sort of rolling that back and saying that I hadn't done anything town indicative yet instead? (After I called him out because I knew he had no real town tells on me and was pushing that in bad faith).
Tsp is capable of slanking as either alignment

I do not, I found that exchange entirely meaningless.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 8:05 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:56 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:54 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:48 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:42 pm

With tsp? Yes, lots. It rarely helps.

I'm good at reading blade idk what to tell you. He has townie drive, is that something that'll convince you?
Thanks. Most importantly: does TSP ever slank like this as a wolf in his normal wolf games? If no, do you think he'd be capable of taking a step back this game if he had a sufficiently strong partner? I talked about my thoughts on that earlier but I'm interested in hearing what you think with actual experience playing with him lol.

As for blade, not really tbh. Do you have any thoughts on him claiming that I haven't towntold yet but then sort of rolling that back and saying that I hadn't done anything town indicative yet instead? (After I called him out because I knew he had no real town tells on me and was pushing that in bad faith).
Tsp is capable of slanking as either alignment

I do not, I found that exchange entirely meaningless.
TSP can pretty easily be a wolf then tbh. When Mac was pushing TSP as having a meta tell early on was that sarcasm then? I took it at face value lol.
Mac might be able to meta read tsp, not sure

I can't reliably

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 6:59 pm I pretty much just want wiml and ilario dead today

Lime is also poe, tsp too, less interested in both

I will hammer anyone tho given the opportunity to
Nanook+TSP = [/b][/size]

this post makes me think you're town but i don't understand. cuz i pushed for nanook constantly yesterday, why was it ignored then?

Because the sun was in my eyes.

alexa wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 11:53 pm i feel like i've been playing this game like absolute fucking shit and a large part of me just wants out

You're playing fine <3

I think we're getting close to the actual solve. If we're confident in our townreads then we can easily corner mafia.

You're still 100% on Ilario right? I'm leaving it to you because you read him better.

@alexa

You know what? I think I know what's wrong with the case...

I needed to look at it from a different angle.

Can you do me a favor and read the case again if I post it?

Maybe if I replace my analysis with cat pictures that go with what's going on in the quotes you'd vote Nanook?

Spoiler: show

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 6:43 pm Hard townread Transcend

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 11:46 am What are people doing on obvtown transcend, smh hes billboard town

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:46 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:15 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:13 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:02 pm Because I respect a lot of the players in here, and people I respect have respect for some of the other players.

Which suggests it's a strong field.
Meh most players are not that hard to read
what reads do you have rn
You and transcend are billboard town

Ender is probably town

Someone else idr who but im sure its in my iso

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 2:51 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:47 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:46 pm Ok so since the thread died and I've got nowhere better to talk about this.

I ate a burger with macaroni cheese because that's apparently a thing in America and it was actually nice.

Please ignore me now.
lol is it? i've never had that

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:46 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:15 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:13 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:02 pm Because I respect a lot of the players in here, and people I respect have respect for some of the other players.

Which suggests it's a strong field.
Meh most players are not that hard to read
what reads do you have rn
You and transcend are billboard town

Ender is probably town

Someone else idr who but im sure its in my iso
why's transcend town?
I'm good at reads

Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:48 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:46 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:15 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:13 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:02 pm Because I respect a lot of the players in here, and people I respect have respect for some of the other players.

Which suggests it's a strong field.
Meh most players are not that hard to read
what reads do you have rn
You and transcend are billboard town

Ender is probably town

Someone else idr who but im sure its in my iso
Talk me through Ender please.
I'm good at reads

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 2:00 pm What is "billboard town" and how do I get one?
Billboard town is someone so obviously town its like there's a billboard with their face on it that says "this person is town"

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 4:06 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 4:05 pm -refuses to explain read on Transcend
-wolfreads ilario

content bad nanook
I don't really do cases

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:36 pm [VOTE: ilario] aubergine

Im hard defending alexa, a decision i surely will not regret

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:02 pm
ilario wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:49 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:45 pm God I can't get over how town I am.
tbh, i believe you here
Two mafia right here bingo bango

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 4:39 pm
Transcend wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 4:34 pm Describe why ilario is scum in like 20 words
The reason that ilario is scum in like twenty words is because they randed mafia this game. That's twenty exactly.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 4:44 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 4:42 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 4:37 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 4:22 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 4:15 pm I skimmed through the opening of ilario's scum game that you linked wiml and it doesn't seem like a dramatic difference to me? Maybe I'll read it in depth more later but yeah not seeing it atm
Tbf it's a lot like alexa said. Like the best comparison is a player like Esooa who is a really capable wolf but half of her town games are just very different and she's easy to find in them?

alexa in particular is a good enough illario reader that she was so (correctly) confident that a red peek on him was fake that she wanted to chop the (real) cop.

I think the one thing that is a tangible non-meta difference is how much he focuses on pushing agendas. One thing I recall noticing in a lot of illario's wolf games is that there's a lack of real depth to his ISOs and he mostly just pushes opportunistic takes. I talked about it earlier but he's a very A to B style wolf.

If he's still in doubt later then I'll go through his wolf games and try to actively towncase why he's town this game since it's a but difficult to do outside of meta. But I'm like 90% confident he is tbh.
I mean, fmpov pushing me IS a pretty opportunistic take, yeah?
Why ilario specifically and not the other people pushing you?
I'm not SRing him for pushing me, im just pointing out that "he's opportunistic as mafia" isn't a reason to clear him fmpov given his push on me

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 5:11 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 5:08 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 5:01 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 5:00 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 4:58 pm tbh me wanting to policy nanook is my town tell
This is also sort of unironically true lol.
Good lord
The real read is that Esooa really doesn't like killing plwyers she sees as LHF as a wolf on D1 (as she wants easier miselims to endgame / doesn't bus excessively) so her actually pushing for this is >rand town lol.

She's completely self aware of this though so I'm not putting a huge amount of stock into it outside of a snappy comment.
Her pushing me specifically is most certainly not >rand town. Its >rand esooa and thats it.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:54 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:48 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:42 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:37 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:31 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:26 pm

For the sake of discussion let's just say that I'm lock clearing everyone who isn't in my active PoE.

So alexa, Esooa, LC, Alison, TSP.

Where are the wolves in that list?
Alison or lime

Maybe tsp, dependent on ilario's flip
Tbf I wouldn't be incredibly shocked if there was a wolf in those three names, particularly because I no longer have a reason to TR Alison as strongly and her attempt at a push on me felt like a stretch.

TSP if illario is town? Do you have any familiarity with him and his meta?

Also seriously please explain why you think blade is town here lol. I'm usually not bad at reading him but I'm not seeing it here tbh.
With tsp? Yes, lots. It rarely helps.

I'm good at reading blade idk what to tell you. He has townie drive, is that something that'll convince you?
Thanks. Most importantly: does TSP ever slank like this as a wolf in his normal wolf games? If no, do you think he'd be capable of taking a step back this game if he had a sufficiently strong partner? I talked about my thoughts on that earlier but I'm interested in hearing what you think with actual experience playing with him lol.

As for blade, not really tbh. Do you have any thoughts on him claiming that I haven't towntold yet but then sort of rolling that back and saying that I hadn't done anything town indicative yet instead? (After I called him out because I knew he had no real town tells on me and was pushing that in bad faith).
Tsp is capable of slanking as either alignment

I do not, I found that exchange entirely meaningless.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 4:04 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 3:35 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 3:24 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 3:21 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 3:19 pm Honestly I think both wolves are probably just in Transcend/blade/Nook/Mac.
This is an insane read
i actually agree with it atm

Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 3:22 pm alexa is obviously town.
illario is obviously town.
Esooa and LC are both in their town ranges.
I'm waiting for more responses but I honestly don't think alison would fake a derp clear like that for no reason?
Willing to sheep the TSP meta for now as well.
i mean i don't think alison is town for that reason, she quite literally admitted she'd fake a derp, but i've found her villagery by play thus far
I'm not going to just clear Alison on this one thing forever but I know personally if I were town in Alison's situation and made a genuine slip then I think I would lie about it being NAI tbh (and I have in the past when being cleared for genuine townslips). I find them to be pretty dirty and getting cleared for them feels really demeaning lol. I think it comes from Alison as town the overwhelming majority of the time tbh.
This is not a good read lol

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 5:28 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 5:27 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 5:26 pm Idk mac are you town
yes I am le town

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 5:26 pm What are your reads
didn't you vote me because you read my reads post and didn't like it?
No im voting you cause I tr transcend

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:14 pm I mean you could probably talk me into other options, im not confident at all on wiml

Mac, lime, Alison, all currently in my poe and I could be talked into voting

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 4:26 am
Transcend wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 4:25 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 4:25 am
Transcend wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 4:21 am if u r town trying to vote out mafia why r u doing the bare minimum to explain ur read especially when it defies thread consensus

i don't understand ur approach but i don't sr it either
I don't really "make pushes" or "case people," I just say my reads and eventually people listen to them and/or I die
who is another wolf besides ilario
Pick one out of mac wiml Alison lime

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 6:59 pm I pretty much just want wiml and ilario dead today

Lime is also poe, tsp too, less interested in both

I will hammer anyone tho given the opportunity to

NANOOK =

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 5:13 pm Shrug

Ok fine

When you guys are done killing me transcend and, idk, probably tsp, and you're looking around trying to figure out who could possibly be mafia, come back to my iso cause my legacy is gonna be good as hell

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 5:23 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 5:22 pm Meh im only at 4 locks if I don't count myself

Trans ender alexa and esooa

So need two more

I'll find them later probably
If ilario mafia tsp is a fifth lock

If im wrong on trans mac becomes lock town

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:54 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:48 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:42 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:37 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:31 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:26 pm

For the sake of discussion let's just say that I'm lock clearing everyone who isn't in my active PoE.

So alexa, Esooa, LC, Alison, TSP.

Where are the wolves in that list?
Alison or lime

Maybe tsp, dependent on ilario's flip
Tbf I wouldn't be incredibly shocked if there was a wolf in those three names, particularly because I no longer have a reason to TR Alison as strongly and her attempt at a push on me felt like a stretch.

TSP if illario is town? Do you have any familiarity with him and his meta?

Also seriously please explain why you think blade is town here lol. I'm usually not bad at reading him but I'm not seeing it here tbh.
With tsp? Yes, lots. It rarely helps.

I'm good at reading blade idk what to tell you. He has townie drive, is that something that'll convince you?
Thanks. Most importantly: does TSP ever slank like this as a wolf in his normal wolf games? If no, do you think he'd be capable of taking a step back this game if he had a sufficiently strong partner? I talked about my thoughts on that earlier but I'm interested in hearing what you think with actual experience playing with him lol.

As for blade, not really tbh. Do you have any thoughts on him claiming that I haven't towntold yet but then sort of rolling that back and saying that I hadn't done anything town indicative yet instead? (After I called him out because I knew he had no real town tells on me and was pushing that in bad faith).
Tsp is capable of slanking as either alignment

I do not, I found that exchange entirely meaningless.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 8:05 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:56 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:54 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:48 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:42 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:37 pm

Tbf I wouldn't be incredibly shocked if there was a wolf in those three names, particularly because I no longer have a reason to TR Alison as strongly and her attempt at a push on me felt like a stretch.

TSP if illario is town? Do you have any familiarity with him and his meta?

Also seriously please explain why you think blade is town here lol. I'm usually not bad at reading him but I'm not seeing it here tbh.
With tsp? Yes, lots. It rarely helps.

I'm good at reading blade idk what to tell you. He has townie drive, is that something that'll convince you?
Thanks. Most importantly: does TSP ever slank like this as a wolf in his normal wolf games? If no, do you think he'd be capable of taking a step back this game if he had a sufficiently strong partner? I talked about my thoughts on that earlier but I'm interested in hearing what you think with actual experience playing with him lol.

As for blade, not really tbh. Do you have any thoughts on him claiming that I haven't towntold yet but then sort of rolling that back and saying that I hadn't done anything town indicative yet instead? (After I called him out because I knew he had no real town tells on me and was pushing that in bad faith).
Tsp is capable of slanking as either alignment

I do not, I found that exchange entirely meaningless.
TSP can pretty easily be a wolf then tbh. When Mac was pushing TSP as having a meta tell early on was that sarcasm then? I took it at face value lol.
Mac might be able to meta read tsp, not sure

I can't reliably

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 6:59 pm I pretty much just want wiml and ilario dead today

Lime is also poe, tsp too, less interested in both

I will hammer anyone tho given the opportunity to

Nanook+TSP =

[/b][/size]

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 11:42 pm Yeah heaven forbid i read someone correctly, that's illegal

It's not a read I made so it's TMI.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 11:38 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 11:36 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 11:30 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 11:27 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 11:26 pm ok that last post from LC is actually villagery af

yes @Lime Coke but i have some problems with it

why do you think Wiml is town?
What are the problems?
first thing that sticks out from memory is the "TMI" read on transcend because transcend was nook's first townread, why would that approach be considered TMI?
i will go through it for real though actually in the morning i'm kind of too tired to game right now but yeah
Because who ACTUALLY townreads Transcend in this game? Even if you "say" you townread him, you never actually meant it. Fuck him, ya'know.

Nanook just threw a townread on Transcend and never explained why. It's a TMI read.
Idk dude he looked like obvious town to me

That's not a real thought.

alexa wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 11:30 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 11:27 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 11:26 pm ok that last post from LC is actually villagery af

yes @Lime Coke but i have some problems with it

why do you think Wiml is town?
What are the problems?
first thing that sticks out from memory is the "TMI" read on transcend because transcend was nook's first townread, why would that approach be considered TMI?
i will go through it for real though actually in the morning i'm kind of too tired to game right now but yeah

Because who ACTUALLY townreads Transcend in this game? Even if you "say" you townread him, you never actually meant it. Fuck him, ya'know.

Nanook just threw a townread on Transcend and never explained why. It's a TMI read.

alexa wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 11:26 pm ok that last post from LC is actually villagery af

yes @Lime Coke but i have some problems with it

why do you think Wiml is town?

What are the problems?

@alexa

Have YOU read the Nanook case yet?

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 8:33 pm LC has made a big deal about feeling bad about his bad reads.

But has shown no remorse for flipping Mac and immediately cases and hard-goes after Mac's TR.

Look I DO feel bad about literally tunneling Mac to death and he was town. I feel obligated to steer town in the right direction and right my wrong. Because when I'm wrong, I'd rather be right, and I have that right to be right, dammit!

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 8:33 pm Especially as his case on Mac was very confident.

It was confident! Not my fault that Mac didn't flip mafia. It's Mac's fault for not being mafia.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 8:34 pm And yet rather than being shaken at being so wrong on Mac, instead his confidence is renewed as he hard-pushes Nanook today.

Like I said, I'm trying to correct my mistakes and push forward and try to move town to the right direction. It's my responsibility, and what matters is when people take responsibilities for their actions! Because actions have consequences god dammit!

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 8:34 pm I really don't feel like this is the actions of a town LC

How dare you...

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 7:16 pm i think nanook telling lime to call his vote is maybe arbitrarily nagl

I don't understand the shading about me not outing my vote via post? I literally tossed a case. He fumbled it.

alexa wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 7:17 pm syn was the best kill for anyone who wanted to drum up suspicion on me/ilario or get us paranoia of each other. syn was never going to be misyeeted

@TonyStarkPrime read my posts today & see

I can see that happening. Like I said thought if there's a mafia between you 2 it has to be Ilario.

I don't think TSP is the one to go to here though, he's probably mafia with Nanook.

I missed like 4 fucking posts that I wanted to respond to.

Hold on.

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 6:42 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 6:36 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 6:35 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 6:32 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 6:30 pm Also the fact that alexa and ilario are both still alive atp pretty strongly suggests one of them is mafia
that's pretty not true, ilario and i have been left alive for awhile as t/t because we were either pushing wrong reads or people were pushing on us

and alison was, as you noted, a common N1 kill
and Syn was a wildcard who subbed into a universally townread slot

like yeah it makes me want to re-val him but i don't think it strongly suggests anything. in fact he tends to kill me pretty early when he's scum because he feels bad manipulating me, i can show you examples
I think any team with players who are experienced with you and illario would never allow you both to be alive in F7 if t/t, only because even if your reasons for townreading each other are bad I think I have literally never seen you reevaluate each other once locked in for like the 10+ games we've played together.
Has one of them ever gotten the other wrong
EM players are historically dreadful at misclearing each other lol but I think alexa/illario are pretty good at reading each other correctly (or at least alexa is at illario, I've never seen wolf alexa town illario before).

Fwiw that illario wolf game I linked you ages ago ended recently where alexa initially tunneled him really hard but came round to calling him 95% likely town. She was wrong in the end but her confidence in him being town was a lot less than it was here.

This is also the reason why I said my illario read was out of my wolfrange yesterday but that's another topic.

Hey...I take offense to that...I read most of my EMers pretty well.

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 6:44 pm I have never seen alexa be this confident on an EM player read and be wrong ever (with the possible exception of her Neo tunnel but that was different and a scumread).

And I was right on Neo that game!

TAKE THAT ALEXA!

NEO TOWN!

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 7:08 pm anyways here's where we're at:

alexa is hard townshielding ilario
wiml is hard townshielding alexa
ender is hard anti-townshielding LC
nanook is sheeping mac
tsp is probably also sheeping mac when it comes down to it
alexa thinks wiml is town
ender probably has to be a wolf?
but ender probably isn't a wolf with wiml according to the fact that I'm sheeping mac and he said so for reasons I don't remember
also i don't think ender is a wolf
so then it's probably wiml/LC
but alexa doesn't think it's that
am i misreading nanook?
eh
no

You forgot the part where I'm also townshielding Alexaaaaaa?

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 7:12 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 7:09 pm team is lc/wiml they don't kill alexa because alexa is basically a third wolf and alexa's not surprised by this because... she knows it to be true?
In that case I would always kill illario.

He's being hard shielded by alexa and wanted me dead half of D2.

I always kill Illario if I'm mafia. Like I said he's never been voted off on FM as far as I remember. So why would you keep what is basically unlynchable if you're mafia?

alexa wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 7:14 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 7:13 pm Alexa if you're the third wolf in any world where I'm a wolf then fine.

But we just kill the ayer you're hard shielding with completely different pushes to you for most of the day.
read my posts and tell me i'm shielding ilario any more than i'm shielding esooa? the only reason it's obvious is because NO ONE else sussed esooa. this discussion is pointless. if you're arguing that esooa was ever a plausible push then prove it

I'm in the same boat. If Esooa got sus'd I would've hard shielded. But Esooa never got sus'd so Esooa didn't get town shielded.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 7:16 pm i think nanook telling lime to call his vote is maybe arbitrarily nagl

alexa wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 7:17 pm syn was the best kill for anyone who wanted to drum up suspicion on me/ilario or get us paranoia of each other. syn was never going to be misyeeted

@TonyStarkPrime read my posts today & see

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 7:26 pm alexa saying that esooa was an obvious villager is something I do as town all the time after someone I'm unsure about flips so I think it's pretty towny from alexa which is good because i have a wolf post count record to maintain

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 7:26 pm Alexa/Ilario are probably t/t.

Alexa seems fairly inno and Ilario shields.

And I've said Ilario probably town from d1.

LC is still probably red, but I'll have to read their case/etc.

@EnderWiggin Have you read the case yet?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 7:33 pm everyone: huh weird kill
alexa: no how dare you it made perfect sense when we went over it in scum chat

This is actually pretty funny.

Alexa town though if that isn't clear.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 6:30 pm Also the fact that alexa and ilario are both still alive atp pretty strongly suggests one of them is mafia

If that's the case I'd lean it towards Ilario being mafia but we'll cross that bridge if we get to it.

alexa wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 6:27 pm i mean i'll read the case on Nook like whatever but i'm not going to just fall back into the same incorrect POE when i'm alive for a reason, sorry

Understandable.

Like I said I'll be out the house for a few hours we'll discuss it then.

[VOTE: NANOOK] aubergine

I gotta leave and be out the house for like a couple of hours. I just wanted to drop that case and let everyone know my viewpoint.

alexa wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 6:23 pm ya'll should've flipped Nanook with me when i was pushing on him yesterday
you had your chance

i no longer want to vote him and i'm not calling back into the same incorrect POE after getting it wrong the first two times. NANOOK is a villager.

Can you read my case just because and let me know what you think?

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 6:18 pm THIS IS A GIANT SCUMCASE OF NANOOK

Spoiler: show
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 6:43 pm Hard townread Transcend

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 11:46 am What are people doing on obvtown transcend, smh hes billboard town

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:46 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:15 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:13 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:02 pm Because I respect a lot of the players in here, and people I respect have respect for some of the other players.

Which suggests it's a strong field.
Meh most players are not that hard to read
what reads do you have rn
You and transcend are billboard town

Ender is probably town

Someone else idr who but im sure its in my iso

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 2:51 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:47 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:46 pm Ok so since the thread died and I've got nowhere better to talk about this.

I ate a burger with macaroni cheese because that's apparently a thing in America and it was actually nice.

Please ignore me now.
lol is it? i've never had that

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:46 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:15 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:13 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:02 pm Because I respect a lot of the players in here, and people I respect have respect for some of the other players.

Which suggests it's a strong field.
Meh most players are not that hard to read
what reads do you have rn
You and transcend are billboard town

Ender is probably town

Someone else idr who but im sure its in my iso
why's transcend town?
I'm good at reads

Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:48 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:46 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:15 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:13 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:02 pm Because I respect a lot of the players in here, and people I respect have respect for some of the other players.

Which suggests it's a strong field.
Meh most players are not that hard to read
what reads do you have rn
You and transcend are billboard town

Ender is probably town

Someone else idr who but im sure its in my iso
Talk me through Ender please.
I'm good at reads

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 2:00 pm What is "billboard town" and how do I get one?
Billboard town is someone so obviously town its like there's a billboard with their face on it that says "this person is town"

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 4:06 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 4:05 pm -refuses to explain read on Transcend
-wolfreads ilario

content bad nanook
I don't really do cases
The main thing of note that Nanook does all of Day 1 is townread Transcend. He never actually speaks on why Transcend is town and denies requests to give reasoning, he just applied the townread and called him "Billboard town."
The way Nanook reads Transcend shows to me that he was reading him coming off a place of TMI. Because no one in their right mind would've townread Transcend.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:36 pm [VOTE: ilario] aubergine

Im hard defending alexa, a decision i surely will not regret

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:02 pm
ilario wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:49 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:45 pm God I can't get over how town I am.
tbh, i believe you here
Two mafia right here bingo bango

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 4:39 pm
Transcend wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 4:34 pm Describe why ilario is scum in like 20 words
The reason that ilario is scum in like twenty words is because they randed mafia this game. That's twenty exactly.
Nanook Day 1 and the whole game goes after Ilario.

Starts off by hard defending Alexa from Ilario, then proceeds to call an interaction between Ilario and Mac "W/W," then he just flat out wolf reads Ilario. Again, refusing to explain why. Almost like he picked a few posts from Ilario and decided "I'm going to tunnel this and hope to skathe by."

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 4:44 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 4:42 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 4:37 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 4:22 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 4:15 pm I skimmed through the opening of ilario's scum game that you linked wiml and it doesn't seem like a dramatic difference to me? Maybe I'll read it in depth more later but yeah not seeing it atm
Tbf it's a lot like alexa said. Like the best comparison is a player like Esooa who is a really capable wolf but half of her town games are just very different and she's easy to find in them?

alexa in particular is a good enough illario reader that she was so (correctly) confident that a red peek on him was fake that she wanted to chop the (real) cop.

I think the one thing that is a tangible non-meta difference is how much he focuses on pushing agendas. One thing I recall noticing in a lot of illario's wolf games is that there's a lack of real depth to his ISOs and he mostly just pushes opportunistic takes. I talked about it earlier but he's a very A to B style wolf.

If he's still in doubt later then I'll go through his wolf games and try to actively towncase why he's town this game since it's a but difficult to do outside of meta. But I'm like 90% confident he is tbh.
I mean, fmpov pushing me IS a pretty opportunistic take, yeah?
Why ilario specifically and not the other people pushing you?
I'm not SRing him for pushing me, im just pointing out that "he's opportunistic as mafia" isn't a reason to clear him fmpov given his push on me

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 5:11 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 5:08 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 5:01 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 5:00 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 4:58 pm tbh me wanting to policy nanook is my town tell
This is also sort of unironically true lol.
Good lord
The real read is that Esooa really doesn't like killing plwyers she sees as LHF as a wolf on D1 (as she wants easier miselims to endgame / doesn't bus excessively) so her actually pushing for this is >rand town lol.

She's completely self aware of this though so I'm not putting a huge amount of stock into it outside of a snappy comment.
Her pushing me specifically is most certainly not >rand town. Its >rand esooa and thats it.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:54 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:48 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:42 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:37 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:31 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:26 pm

For the sake of discussion let's just say that I'm lock clearing everyone who isn't in my active PoE.

So alexa, Esooa, LC, Alison, TSP.

Where are the wolves in that list?
Alison or lime

Maybe tsp, dependent on ilario's flip
Tbf I wouldn't be incredibly shocked if there was a wolf in those three names, particularly because I no longer have a reason to TR Alison as strongly and her attempt at a push on me felt like a stretch.

TSP if illario is town? Do you have any familiarity with him and his meta?

Also seriously please explain why you think blade is town here lol. I'm usually not bad at reading him but I'm not seeing it here tbh.
With tsp? Yes, lots. It rarely helps.

I'm good at reading blade idk what to tell you. He has townie drive, is that something that'll convince you?
Thanks. Most importantly: does TSP ever slank like this as a wolf in his normal wolf games? If no, do you think he'd be capable of taking a step back this game if he had a sufficiently strong partner? I talked about my thoughts on that earlier but I'm interested in hearing what you think with actual experience playing with him lol.

As for blade, not really tbh. Do you have any thoughts on him claiming that I haven't towntold yet but then sort of rolling that back and saying that I hadn't done anything town indicative yet instead? (After I called him out because I knew he had no real town tells on me and was pushing that in bad faith).
Tsp is capable of slanking as either alignment

I do not, I found that exchange entirely meaningless.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 4:04 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 3:35 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 3:24 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 3:21 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 3:19 pm Honestly I think both wolves are probably just in Transcend/blade/Nook/Mac.
This is an insane read
i actually agree with it atm

Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 3:22 pm alexa is obviously town.
illario is obviously town.
Esooa and LC are both in their town ranges.
I'm waiting for more responses but I honestly don't think alison would fake a derp clear like that for no reason?
Willing to sheep the TSP meta for now as well.
i mean i don't think alison is town for that reason, she quite literally admitted she'd fake a derp, but i've found her villagery by play thus far
I'm not going to just clear Alison on this one thing forever but I know personally if I were town in Alison's situation and made a genuine slip then I think I would lie about it being NAI tbh (and I have in the past when being cleared for genuine townslips). I find them to be pretty dirty and getting cleared for them feels really demeaning lol. I think it comes from Alison as town the overwhelming majority of the time tbh.
This is not a good read lol
A couple of posts discrediting reasons to townread players, one of them indeed being Ilario to fit his scumread.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 5:28 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 5:27 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 5:26 pm Idk mac are you town
yes I am le town

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 5:26 pm What are your reads
didn't you vote me because you read my reads post and didn't like it?
No im voting you cause I tr transcend
Using townreading Transcend as an excuse to vote Mac who has indeed flipped town by now.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:14 pm I mean you could probably talk me into other options, im not confident at all on wiml

Mac, lime, Alison, all currently in my poe and I could be talked into voting
A POE that consists of 2 dead villagers and me who is town.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 4:26 am
Transcend wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 4:25 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 4:25 am
Transcend wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 4:21 am if u r town trying to vote out mafia why r u doing the bare minimum to explain ur read especially when it defies thread consensus

i don't understand ur approach but i don't sr it either
I don't really "make pushes" or "case people," I just say my reads and eventually people listen to them and/or I die
who is another wolf besides ilario
Pick one out of mac wiml Alison lime
Again another POE of 4 names, 2 are dead town and the other 2 are myself and Wiml, and I'm pretty sure Wiml is town in this game.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 6:59 pm I pretty much just want wiml and ilario dead today

Lime is also poe, tsp too, less interested in both

I will hammer anyone tho given the opportunity to
POE of Wiml, Ilario, myself, and TSP. We'll discuss this later.

So the main people that Nanook has been pushing have been 2 people that have flipped town, a wishy-washy push on me where he keeps backing out in what seems like an excuse to vote Mac, Ilario and Wiml.

I feel like Nanook is happily doing nothing as scum. Refuses to case people, refuses to explain reads either town or scum. Pushing town players trying to bring them back into the POE.

Now let's ask who Nanook's partner is? Well he was mentioned earlier...

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 5:13 pm Shrug

Ok fine

When you guys are done killing me transcend and, idk, probably tsp, and you're looking around trying to figure out who could possibly be mafia, come back to my iso cause my legacy is gonna be good as hell

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 5:23 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 5:22 pm Meh im only at 4 locks if I don't count myself

Trans ender alexa and esooa

So need two more

I'll find them later probably
If ilario mafia tsp is a fifth lock

If im wrong on trans mac becomes lock town
Soft mentioning of TSP a few times to make him look like low hanging fruit.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:54 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:48 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:42 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:37 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:31 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:26 pm

For the sake of discussion let's just say that I'm lock clearing everyone who isn't in my active PoE.

So alexa, Esooa, LC, Alison, TSP.

Where are the wolves in that list?
Alison or lime

Maybe tsp, dependent on ilario's flip
Tbf I wouldn't be incredibly shocked if there was a wolf in those three names, particularly because I no longer have a reason to TR Alison as strongly and her attempt at a push on me felt like a stretch.

TSP if illario is town? Do you have any familiarity with him and his meta?

Also seriously please explain why you think blade is town here lol. I'm usually not bad at reading him but I'm not seeing it here tbh.
With tsp? Yes, lots. It rarely helps.

I'm good at reading blade idk what to tell you. He has townie drive, is that something that'll convince you?
Thanks. Most importantly: does TSP ever slank like this as a wolf in his normal wolf games? If no, do you think he'd be capable of taking a step back this game if he had a sufficiently strong partner? I talked about my thoughts on that earlier but I'm interested in hearing what you think with actual experience playing with him lol.

As for blade, not really tbh. Do you have any thoughts on him claiming that I haven't towntold yet but then sort of rolling that back and saying that I hadn't done anything town indicative yet instead? (After I called him out because I knew he had no real town tells on me and was pushing that in bad faith).
Tsp is capable of slanking as either alignment

I do not, I found that exchange entirely meaningless.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 8:05 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:56 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:54 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:48 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:42 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:37 pm

Tbf I wouldn't be incredibly shocked if there was a wolf in those three names, particularly because I no longer have a reason to TR Alison as strongly and her attempt at a push on me felt like a stretch.

TSP if illario is town? Do you have any familiarity with him and his meta?

Also seriously please explain why you think blade is town here lol. I'm usually not bad at reading him but I'm not seeing it here tbh.
With tsp? Yes, lots. It rarely helps.

I'm good at reading blade idk what to tell you. He has townie drive, is that something that'll convince you?
Thanks. Most importantly: does TSP ever slank like this as a wolf in his normal wolf games? If no, do you think he'd be capable of taking a step back this game if he had a sufficiently strong partner? I talked about my thoughts on that earlier but I'm interested in hearing what you think with actual experience playing with him lol.

As for blade, not really tbh. Do you have any thoughts on him claiming that I haven't towntold yet but then sort of rolling that back and saying that I hadn't done anything town indicative yet instead? (After I called him out because I knew he had no real town tells on me and was pushing that in bad faith).
Tsp is capable of slanking as either alignment

I do not, I found that exchange entirely meaningless.
TSP can pretty easily be a wolf then tbh. When Mac was pushing TSP as having a meta tell early on was that sarcasm then? I took it at face value lol.
Mac might be able to meta read tsp, not sure

I can't reliably
Leaving reading TSP to others, if townread Nanook would probably point to them and say "See? Listen to this guy!"

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 6:59 pm I pretty much just want wiml and ilario dead today

Lime is also poe, tsp too, less interested in both

I will hammer anyone tho given the opportunity to
Has TSP in his "non-immediate POE" aka the "Goldilocks area" as Hally would say.

TSP is Nanook's partner.

The 2/2 solve is Nanook and TSP.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 6:21 pm You still haven't called your vote bud

???

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 1:59 pm Legacy:

Transcend Esooa and Alison are town.

By the way, I don't get why Transcend is calling me out on being cautious of my reads...when my legacy reads in Batman were 2 mafia and 1 town as my townreads...bruh you even N1'd me.

I would've posted that quicker but this site doesn't allow you to multiquote during night phases in games while they're locked.

THIS IS A GIANT SCUMCASE OF NANOOK

Spoiler: show

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 6:43 pm Hard townread Transcend

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 11:46 am What are people doing on obvtown transcend, smh hes billboard town

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:46 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:15 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:13 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:02 pm Because I respect a lot of the players in here, and people I respect have respect for some of the other players.

Which suggests it's a strong field.
Meh most players are not that hard to read
what reads do you have rn
You and transcend are billboard town

Ender is probably town

Someone else idr who but im sure its in my iso

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 2:51 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:47 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:46 pm Ok so since the thread died and I've got nowhere better to talk about this.

I ate a burger with macaroni cheese because that's apparently a thing in America and it was actually nice.

Please ignore me now.
lol is it? i've never had that

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:46 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:15 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:13 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:02 pm Because I respect a lot of the players in here, and people I respect have respect for some of the other players.

Which suggests it's a strong field.
Meh most players are not that hard to read
what reads do you have rn
You and transcend are billboard town

Ender is probably town

Someone else idr who but im sure its in my iso
why's transcend town?
I'm good at reads

Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:48 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:46 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:15 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:13 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:02 pm Because I respect a lot of the players in here, and people I respect have respect for some of the other players.

Which suggests it's a strong field.
Meh most players are not that hard to read
what reads do you have rn
You and transcend are billboard town

Ender is probably town

Someone else idr who but im sure its in my iso
Talk me through Ender please.
I'm good at reads

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 2:00 pm What is "billboard town" and how do I get one?
Billboard town is someone so obviously town its like there's a billboard with their face on it that says "this person is town"

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 4:06 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 4:05 pm -refuses to explain read on Transcend
-wolfreads ilario

content bad nanook
I don't really do cases

The main thing of note that Nanook does all of Day 1 is townread Transcend. He never actually speaks on why Transcend is town and denies requests to give reasoning, he just applied the townread and called him "Billboard town."
The way Nanook reads Transcend shows to me that he was reading him coming off a place of TMI. Because no one in their right mind would've townread Transcend.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:36 pm [VOTE: ilario] aubergine

Im hard defending alexa, a decision i surely will not regret

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:02 pm
ilario wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:49 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:45 pm God I can't get over how town I am.
tbh, i believe you here
Two mafia right here bingo bango

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 4:39 pm
Transcend wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 4:34 pm Describe why ilario is scum in like 20 words
The reason that ilario is scum in like twenty words is because they randed mafia this game. That's twenty exactly.

Nanook Day 1 and the whole game goes after Ilario.

Starts off by hard defending Alexa from Ilario, then proceeds to call an interaction between Ilario and Mac "W/W," then he just flat out wolf reads Ilario. Again, refusing to explain why. Almost like he picked a few posts from Ilario and decided "I'm going to tunnel this and hope to skathe by."

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 4:44 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 4:42 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 4:37 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 4:22 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 4:15 pm I skimmed through the opening of ilario's scum game that you linked wiml and it doesn't seem like a dramatic difference to me? Maybe I'll read it in depth more later but yeah not seeing it atm
Tbf it's a lot like alexa said. Like the best comparison is a player like Esooa who is a really capable wolf but half of her town games are just very different and she's easy to find in them?

alexa in particular is a good enough illario reader that she was so (correctly) confident that a red peek on him was fake that she wanted to chop the (real) cop.

I think the one thing that is a tangible non-meta difference is how much he focuses on pushing agendas. One thing I recall noticing in a lot of illario's wolf games is that there's a lack of real depth to his ISOs and he mostly just pushes opportunistic takes. I talked about it earlier but he's a very A to B style wolf.

If he's still in doubt later then I'll go through his wolf games and try to actively towncase why he's town this game since it's a but difficult to do outside of meta. But I'm like 90% confident he is tbh.
I mean, fmpov pushing me IS a pretty opportunistic take, yeah?
Why ilario specifically and not the other people pushing you?
I'm not SRing him for pushing me, im just pointing out that "he's opportunistic as mafia" isn't a reason to clear him fmpov given his push on me

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 5:11 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 5:08 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 5:01 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 5:00 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 4:58 pm tbh me wanting to policy nanook is my town tell
This is also sort of unironically true lol.
Good lord
The real read is that Esooa really doesn't like killing plwyers she sees as LHF as a wolf on D1 (as she wants easier miselims to endgame / doesn't bus excessively) so her actually pushing for this is >rand town lol.

She's completely self aware of this though so I'm not putting a huge amount of stock into it outside of a snappy comment.
Her pushing me specifically is most certainly not >rand town. Its >rand esooa and thats it.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:54 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:48 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:42 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:37 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:31 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:26 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:22 pm

Remind me who you're clearing
For the sake of discussion let's just say that I'm lock clearing everyone who isn't in my active PoE.

So alexa, Esooa, LC, Alison, TSP.

Where are the wolves in that list?
Alison or lime

Maybe tsp, dependent on ilario's flip
Tbf I wouldn't be incredibly shocked if there was a wolf in those three names, particularly because I no longer have a reason to TR Alison as strongly and her attempt at a push on me felt like a stretch.

TSP if illario is town? Do you have any familiarity with him and his meta?

Also seriously please explain why you think blade is town here lol. I'm usually not bad at reading him but I'm not seeing it here tbh.
With tsp? Yes, lots. It rarely helps.

I'm good at reading blade idk what to tell you. He has townie drive, is that something that'll convince you?
Thanks. Most importantly: does TSP ever slank like this as a wolf in his normal wolf games? If no, do you think he'd be capable of taking a step back this game if he had a sufficiently strong partner? I talked about my thoughts on that earlier but I'm interested in hearing what you think with actual experience playing with him lol.

As for blade, not really tbh. Do you have any thoughts on him claiming that I haven't towntold yet but then sort of rolling that back and saying that I hadn't done anything town indicative yet instead? (After I called him out because I knew he had no real town tells on me and was pushing that in bad faith).
Tsp is capable of slanking as either alignment

I do not, I found that exchange entirely meaningless.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 4:04 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 3:35 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 3:24 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 3:21 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 3:19 pm Honestly I think both wolves are probably just in Transcend/blade/Nook/Mac.
This is an insane read
i actually agree with it atm

Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 3:22 pm alexa is obviously town.
illario is obviously town.
Esooa and LC are both in their town ranges.
I'm waiting for more responses but I honestly don't think alison would fake a derp clear like that for no reason?
Willing to sheep the TSP meta for now as well.
i mean i don't think alison is town for that reason, she quite literally admitted she'd fake a derp, but i've found her villagery by play thus far
I'm not going to just clear Alison on this one thing forever but I know personally if I were town in Alison's situation and made a genuine slip then I think I would lie about it being NAI tbh (and I have in the past when being cleared for genuine townslips). I find them to be pretty dirty and getting cleared for them feels really demeaning lol. I think it comes from Alison as town the overwhelming majority of the time tbh.
This is not a good read lol

A couple of posts discrediting reasons to townread players, one of them indeed being Ilario to fit his scumread.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 5:28 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 5:27 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 5:26 pm Idk mac are you town
yes I am le town

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 5:26 pm What are your reads
didn't you vote me because you read my reads post and didn't like it?
No im voting you cause I tr transcend

Using townreading Transcend as an excuse to vote Mac who has indeed flipped town by now.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:14 pm I mean you could probably talk me into other options, im not confident at all on wiml

Mac, lime, Alison, all currently in my poe and I could be talked into voting

A POE that consists of 2 dead villagers and me who is town.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 4:26 am
Transcend wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 4:25 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 4:25 am
Transcend wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 4:21 am if u r town trying to vote out mafia why r u doing the bare minimum to explain ur read especially when it defies thread consensus

i don't understand ur approach but i don't sr it either
I don't really "make pushes" or "case people," I just say my reads and eventually people listen to them and/or I die
who is another wolf besides ilario
Pick one out of mac wiml Alison lime

Again another POE of 4 names, 2 are dead town and the other 2 are myself and Wiml, and I'm pretty sure Wiml is town in this game.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 6:59 pm I pretty much just want wiml and ilario dead today

Lime is also poe, tsp too, less interested in both

I will hammer anyone tho given the opportunity to

POE of Wiml, Ilario, myself, and TSP. We'll discuss this later.

So the main people that Nanook has been pushing have been 2 people that have flipped town, a wishy-washy push on me where he keeps backing out in what seems like an excuse to vote Mac, Ilario and Wiml.

I feel like Nanook is happily doing nothing as scum. Refuses to case people, refuses to explain reads either town or scum. Pushing town players trying to bring them back into the POE.

Now let's ask who Nanook's partner is? Well he was mentioned earlier...

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 5:13 pm Shrug

Ok fine

When you guys are done killing me transcend and, idk, probably tsp, and you're looking around trying to figure out who could possibly be mafia, come back to my iso cause my legacy is gonna be good as hell

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 5:23 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 5:22 pm Meh im only at 4 locks if I don't count myself

Trans ender alexa and esooa

So need two more

I'll find them later probably
If ilario mafia tsp is a fifth lock

If im wrong on trans mac becomes lock town

Soft mentioning of TSP a few times to make him look like low hanging fruit.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:54 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:48 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:42 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:37 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:31 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:26 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:22 pm

Remind me who you're clearing
For the sake of discussion let's just say that I'm lock clearing everyone who isn't in my active PoE.

So alexa, Esooa, LC, Alison, TSP.

Where are the wolves in that list?
Alison or lime

Maybe tsp, dependent on ilario's flip
Tbf I wouldn't be incredibly shocked if there was a wolf in those three names, particularly because I no longer have a reason to TR Alison as strongly and her attempt at a push on me felt like a stretch.

TSP if illario is town? Do you have any familiarity with him and his meta?

Also seriously please explain why you think blade is town here lol. I'm usually not bad at reading him but I'm not seeing it here tbh.
With tsp? Yes, lots. It rarely helps.

I'm good at reading blade idk what to tell you. He has townie drive, is that something that'll convince you?
Thanks. Most importantly: does TSP ever slank like this as a wolf in his normal wolf games? If no, do you think he'd be capable of taking a step back this game if he had a sufficiently strong partner? I talked about my thoughts on that earlier but I'm interested in hearing what you think with actual experience playing with him lol.

As for blade, not really tbh. Do you have any thoughts on him claiming that I haven't towntold yet but then sort of rolling that back and saying that I hadn't done anything town indicative yet instead? (After I called him out because I knew he had no real town tells on me and was pushing that in bad faith).
Tsp is capable of slanking as either alignment

I do not, I found that exchange entirely meaningless.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 8:05 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:56 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:54 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:48 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:42 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:37 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:31 pm

Alison or lime

Maybe tsp, dependent on ilario's flip
Tbf I wouldn't be incredibly shocked if there was a wolf in those three names, particularly because I no longer have a reason to TR Alison as strongly and her attempt at a push on me felt like a stretch.

TSP if illario is town? Do you have any familiarity with him and his meta?

Also seriously please explain why you think blade is town here lol. I'm usually not bad at reading him but I'm not seeing it here tbh.
With tsp? Yes, lots. It rarely helps.

I'm good at reading blade idk what to tell you. He has townie drive, is that something that'll convince you?
Thanks. Most importantly: does TSP ever slank like this as a wolf in his normal wolf games? If no, do you think he'd be capable of taking a step back this game if he had a sufficiently strong partner? I talked about my thoughts on that earlier but I'm interested in hearing what you think with actual experience playing with him lol.

As for blade, not really tbh. Do you have any thoughts on him claiming that I haven't towntold yet but then sort of rolling that back and saying that I hadn't done anything town indicative yet instead? (After I called him out because I knew he had no real town tells on me and was pushing that in bad faith).
Tsp is capable of slanking as either alignment

I do not, I found that exchange entirely meaningless.
TSP can pretty easily be a wolf then tbh. When Mac was pushing TSP as having a meta tell early on was that sarcasm then? I took it at face value lol.
Mac might be able to meta read tsp, not sure

I can't reliably

Leaving reading TSP to others, if townread Nanook would probably point to them and say "See? Listen to this guy!"

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 6:59 pm I pretty much just want wiml and ilario dead today

Lime is also poe, tsp too, less interested in both

I will hammer anyone tho given the opportunity to

Has TSP in his "non-immediate POE" aka the "Goldilocks area" as Hally would say.

TSP is Nanook's partner.

The 2/2 solve is Nanook and TSP.

THIS IS A GIANT SCUMCASE OF NANOOK

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NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 6:43 pm Hard townread Transcend

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 11:46 am What are people doing on obvtown transcend, smh hes billboard town

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:46 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:15 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:13 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:02 pm Because I respect a lot of the players in here, and people I respect have respect for some of the other players.

Which suggests it's a strong field.
Meh most players are not that hard to read
what reads do you have rn
You and transcend are billboard town

Ender is probably town

Someone else idr who but im sure its in my iso

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 2:51 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:47 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:46 pm Ok so since the thread died and I've got nowhere better to talk about this.

I ate a burger with macaroni cheese because that's apparently a thing in America and it was actually nice.

Please ignore me now.
lol is it? i've never had that

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:46 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:15 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:13 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:02 pm Because I respect a lot of the players in here, and people I respect have respect for some of the other players.

Which suggests it's a strong field.
Meh most players are not that hard to read
what reads do you have rn
You and transcend are billboard town

Ender is probably town

Someone else idr who but im sure its in my iso
why's transcend town?
I'm good at reads

Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:48 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:46 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:15 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:13 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:02 pm Because I respect a lot of the players in here, and people I respect have respect for some of the other players.

Which suggests it's a strong field.
Meh most players are not that hard to read
what reads do you have rn
You and transcend are billboard town

Ender is probably town

Someone else idr who but im sure its in my iso
Talk me through Ender please.
I'm good at reads

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 2:00 pm What is "billboard town" and how do I get one?
Billboard town is someone so obviously town its like there's a billboard with their face on it that says "this person is town"

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 4:06 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 4:05 pm -refuses to explain read on Transcend
-wolfreads ilario

content bad nanook
I don't really do cases

The main thing of note that Nanook does all of Day 1 is townread Transcend. He never actually speaks on why Transcend is town and denies requests to give reasoning, he just applied the townread and called him "Billboard town."
The way Nanook reads Transcend shows to me that he was reading him coming off a place of TMI. Because no one in their right mind would've townread Transcend.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:36 pm [VOTE: ilario] aubergine

Im hard defending alexa, a decision i surely will not regret

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:02 pm
ilario wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:49 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:45 pm God I can't get over how town I am.
tbh, i believe you here
Two mafia right here bingo bango

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 4:39 pm
Transcend wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 4:34 pm Describe why ilario is scum in like 20 words
The reason that ilario is scum in like twenty words is because they randed mafia this game. That's twenty exactly.

Nanook Day 1 and the whole game goes after Ilario.

Starts off by hard defending Alexa from Ilario, then proceeds to call an interaction between Ilario and Mac "W/W," then he just flat out wolf reads Ilario. Again, refusing to explain why. Almost like he picked a few posts from Ilario and decided "I'm going to tunnel this and hope to skathe by."

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 4:44 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 4:42 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 4:37 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 4:22 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 4:15 pm I skimmed through the opening of ilario's scum game that you linked wiml and it doesn't seem like a dramatic difference to me? Maybe I'll read it in depth more later but yeah not seeing it atm
Tbf it's a lot like alexa said. Like the best comparison is a player like Esooa who is a really capable wolf but half of her town games are just very different and she's easy to find in them?

alexa in particular is a good enough illario reader that she was so (correctly) confident that a red peek on him was fake that she wanted to chop the (real) cop.

I think the one thing that is a tangible non-meta difference is how much he focuses on pushing agendas. One thing I recall noticing in a lot of illario's wolf games is that there's a lack of real depth to his ISOs and he mostly just pushes opportunistic takes. I talked about it earlier but he's a very A to B style wolf.

If he's still in doubt later then I'll go through his wolf games and try to actively towncase why he's town this game since it's a but difficult to do outside of meta. But I'm like 90% confident he is tbh.
I mean, fmpov pushing me IS a pretty opportunistic take, yeah?
Why ilario specifically and not the other people pushing you?
I'm not SRing him for pushing me, im just pointing out that "he's opportunistic as mafia" isn't a reason to clear him fmpov given his push on me

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 5:11 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 5:08 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 5:01 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 5:00 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 4:58 pm tbh me wanting to policy nanook is my town tell
This is also sort of unironically true lol.
Good lord
The real read is that Esooa really doesn't like killing plwyers she sees as LHF as a wolf on D1 (as she wants easier miselims to endgame / doesn't bus excessively) so her actually pushing for this is >rand town lol.

She's completely self aware of this though so I'm not putting a huge amount of stock into it outside of a snappy comment.
Her pushing me specifically is most certainly not >rand town. Its >rand esooa and thats it.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:54 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:48 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:42 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:37 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:31 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:26 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:22 pm

Remind me who you're clearing
For the sake of discussion let's just say that I'm lock clearing everyone who isn't in my active PoE.

So alexa, Esooa, LC, Alison, TSP.

Where are the wolves in that list?
Alison or lime

Maybe tsp, dependent on ilario's flip
Tbf I wouldn't be incredibly shocked if there was a wolf in those three names, particularly because I no longer have a reason to TR Alison as strongly and her attempt at a push on me felt like a stretch.

TSP if illario is town? Do you have any familiarity with him and his meta?

Also seriously please explain why you think blade is town here lol. I'm usually not bad at reading him but I'm not seeing it here tbh.
With tsp? Yes, lots. It rarely helps.

I'm good at reading blade idk what to tell you. He has townie drive, is that something that'll convince you?
Thanks. Most importantly: does TSP ever slank like this as a wolf in his normal wolf games? If no, do you think he'd be capable of taking a step back this game if he had a sufficiently strong partner? I talked about my thoughts on that earlier but I'm interested in hearing what you think with actual experience playing with him lol.

As for blade, not really tbh. Do you have any thoughts on him claiming that I haven't towntold yet but then sort of rolling that back and saying that I hadn't done anything town indicative yet instead? (After I called him out because I knew he had no real town tells on me and was pushing that in bad faith).
Tsp is capable of slanking as either alignment

I do not, I found that exchange entirely meaningless.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 4:04 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 3:35 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 3:24 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 3:21 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 3:19 pm Honestly I think both wolves are probably just in Transcend/blade/Nook/Mac.
This is an insane read
i actually agree with it atm

Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 3:22 pm alexa is obviously town.
illario is obviously town.
Esooa and LC are both in their town ranges.
I'm waiting for more responses but I honestly don't think alison would fake a derp clear like that for no reason?
Willing to sheep the TSP meta for now as well.
i mean i don't think alison is town for that reason, she quite literally admitted she'd fake a derp, but i've found her villagery by play thus far
I'm not going to just clear Alison on this one thing forever but I know personally if I were town in Alison's situation and made a genuine slip then I think I would lie about it being NAI tbh (and I have in the past when being cleared for genuine townslips). I find them to be pretty dirty and getting cleared for them feels really demeaning lol. I think it comes from Alison as town the overwhelming majority of the time tbh.
This is not a good read lol

A couple of posts discrediting reasons to townread players, one of them indeed being Ilario to fit his scumread.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 5:28 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 5:27 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 5:26 pm Idk mac are you town
yes I am le town

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 5:26 pm What are your reads
didn't you vote me because you read my reads post and didn't like it?
No im voting you cause I tr transcend

Using townreading Transcend as an excuse to vote Mac who has indeed flipped town by now.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:14 pm I mean you could probably talk me into other options, im not confident at all on wiml

Mac, lime, Alison, all currently in my poe and I could be talked into voting

A POE that consists of 2 dead villagers and me who is town.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 4:26 am
Transcend wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 4:25 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 4:25 am
Transcend wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 4:21 am if u r town trying to vote out mafia why r u doing the bare minimum to explain ur read especially when it defies thread consensus

i don't understand ur approach but i don't sr it either
I don't really "make pushes" or "case people," I just say my reads and eventually people listen to them and/or I die
who is another wolf besides ilario
Pick one out of mac wiml Alison lime

Again another POE of 4 names, 2 are dead town and the other 2 are myself and Wiml, and I'm pretty sure Wiml is town in this game.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 6:59 pm I pretty much just want wiml and ilario dead today

Lime is also poe, tsp too, less interested in both

I will hammer anyone tho given the opportunity to

POE of Wiml, Ilario, myself, and TSP. We'll discuss this later.

So the main people that Nanook has been pushing have been 2 people that have flipped town, a wishy-washy push on me where he keeps backing out in what seems like an excuse to vote Mac, Ilario and Wiml.

I feel like Nanook is happily doing nothing as scum. Refuses to case people, refuses to explain reads either town or scum. Pushing town players trying to bring them back into the POE.

Now let's ask who Nanook's partner is? Well he was mentioned earlier...

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 5:13 pm Shrug

Ok fine

When you guys are done killing me transcend and, idk, probably tsp, and you're looking around trying to figure out who could possibly be mafia, come back to my iso cause my legacy is gonna be good as hell

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 5:23 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 5:22 pm Meh im only at 4 locks if I don't count myself

Trans ender alexa and esooa

So need two more

I'll find them later probably
If ilario mafia tsp is a fifth lock

If im wrong on trans mac becomes lock town

Soft mentioning of TSP a few times to make him look like low hanging fruit.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:54 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:48 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:42 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:37 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:31 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:26 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:22 pm

Remind me who you're clearing
For the sake of discussion let's just say that I'm lock clearing everyone who isn't in my active PoE.

So alexa, Esooa, LC, Alison, TSP.

Where are the wolves in that list?
Alison or lime

Maybe tsp, dependent on ilario's flip
Tbf I wouldn't be incredibly shocked if there was a wolf in those three names, particularly because I no longer have a reason to TR Alison as strongly and her attempt at a push on me felt like a stretch.

TSP if illario is town? Do you have any familiarity with him and his meta?

Also seriously please explain why you think blade is town here lol. I'm usually not bad at reading him but I'm not seeing it here tbh.
With tsp? Yes, lots. It rarely helps.

I'm good at reading blade idk what to tell you. He has townie drive, is that something that'll convince you?
Thanks. Most importantly: does TSP ever slank like this as a wolf in his normal wolf games? If no, do you think he'd be capable of taking a step back this game if he had a sufficiently strong partner? I talked about my thoughts on that earlier but I'm interested in hearing what you think with actual experience playing with him lol.

As for blade, not really tbh. Do you have any thoughts on him claiming that I haven't towntold yet but then sort of rolling that back and saying that I hadn't done anything town indicative yet instead? (After I called him out because I knew he had no real town tells on me and was pushing that in bad faith).
Tsp is capable of slanking as either alignment

I do not, I found that exchange entirely meaningless.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 8:05 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:56 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:54 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:48 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:42 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:37 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:31 pm

Alison or lime

Maybe tsp, dependent on ilario's flip
Tbf I wouldn't be incredibly shocked if there was a wolf in those three names, particularly because I no longer have a reason to TR Alison as strongly and her attempt at a push on me felt like a stretch.

TSP if illario is town? Do you have any familiarity with him and his meta?

Also seriously please explain why you think blade is town here lol. I'm usually not bad at reading him but I'm not seeing it here tbh.
With tsp? Yes, lots. It rarely helps.

I'm good at reading blade idk what to tell you. He has townie drive, is that something that'll convince you?
Thanks. Most importantly: does TSP ever slank like this as a wolf in his normal wolf games? If no, do you think he'd be capable of taking a step back this game if he had a sufficiently strong partner? I talked about my thoughts on that earlier but I'm interested in hearing what you think with actual experience playing with him lol.

As for blade, not really tbh. Do you have any thoughts on him claiming that I haven't towntold yet but then sort of rolling that back and saying that I hadn't done anything town indicative yet instead? (After I called him out because I knew he had no real town tells on me and was pushing that in bad faith).
Tsp is capable of slanking as either alignment

I do not, I found that exchange entirely meaningless.
TSP can pretty easily be a wolf then tbh. When Mac was pushing TSP as having a meta tell early on was that sarcasm then? I took it at face value lol.
Mac might be able to meta read tsp, not sure

I can't reliably

Leaving reading TSP to others, if townread Nanook would probably point to them and say "See? Listen to this guy!"

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 6:59 pm I pretty much just want wiml and ilario dead today

Lime is also poe, tsp too, less interested in both

I will hammer anyone tho given the opportunity to

Has TSP in his "non-immediate POE" aka the "Goldilocks area" as Hally would say.

TSP is Nanook's partner.

The 2/2 solve is Nanook and TSP.

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