The Syndicate

From what I noticed in mafia games, it's usually D1 that determines the rest of the game.
If it's spot-on, but no wolf flip, then the rest of the game will go far far away from D1 reads.
If it's wrong, and no wolf flip, then the civs will go straight into solving and possibly winning.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 1:56 am I more just meant snowball effect of mafia dying d1 over dya would have just butterfly effected a stomp than anything mech.

Which is why it's good we dodged it. Being off on elim made everyone run away to random places.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 6:24 pm So, I'll take some blame for this one.

I had a super secret Ruri case I was sitting on because I thought I had 2 day cycles after I was poisoned. I wanted 112 out (And was right she wasn't town, even if I was wrong on alignment) and then the next day I was going to probe a bit before springing my Ruri sus.

Which was absolutely foiled by me dying after one phase.

ggwp. I liked making Horse Memes to soft my flavour.

What kind of case?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 2:14 pm I've woken up to captain the Falcon CFD

This was hilarious. Too bad Mac lost WIM after CFD'ing off Syn.

Bo didn't die, and 112 granted a poison wish.

Thanks for hosting. I wonder what the mod error was. Pushing dead 3p was probably the most pro-villa move I made.

Oh yes, the wolves are howling tonight~ Wish we didn't have such bad luck with NKs. Nice teamwork @falcon45ca @Syn @BoKnows @Master Radishes @Poison. Poison carried.

And good night.

Poison wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 12:47 pm Why are you voting nook

I have no idea about them.

Nanook and Bo are voting together. TSP and Sig aren't. This is weird.

Syn slot is a pain to deal with throughout the game.

[VOTE: Nanook] aubergine

Unvoting.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 12:37 pm
Ruri wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 12:35 pm Or maybe there's no 3p and scum are just all different colors.
Alright well that'd imply Epi is scum, appeared as non threat to me, and then said I'm scum for saying he's not a threat. This isn't the case. Epi was 3p.

Or maybe your check was manipulated. That would explain why you're alive after claiming. Not sure how it works here, but in homesite, threats would collectively refer to non-towns. So, I did find it sus that your check on Epi was wrong.

That would be the best case in all worlds.

Or maybe there's no 3p and scum are just all different colors.

FYI, I recently finished a game where 3p claims won, while town lost. Not sure how this site approaches 3p, but they're usually burned with fire on my homesite.

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 3:59 pm 112 forced me to take a wish. I successfully protected Scotty on N3. I successfully “killed” BoKnows n4 (which ended up being a poison, I did not know that it would be a poison). Both of these were wishes from 112.

I see. From 112, AKA 3p.

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 1:52 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 1:49 pm Wilgy living today gives him another day to cop if he is one. And mafia will have to kill one of us. Even though Rondo says he can “save me” tonight as the 6th doctor or whatever, I still think it should be me. They kill Wilgy, they reveal he was right about rondo and made. It’s not in their best interest. And it’s also not in our best interests to kill Wilgy today.
I agree. Im not gonna self-pres against him

Hmm.. This was right.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 5:16 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 5:09 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 4:48 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 4:39 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 4:31 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 4:07 pm So Sig is not a threat. By proxy we can see TSP as clear as well I suppose.
You investigated Sig? Is that what you'd like us to believe?
Your overtly aggressive play is silly here Falcon. If you believe this to be ruse say it.

Undermining my clear of Sig/TSP is pointless.
You investigated TSP as well?

Overtly aggressive? Oh hunny, you haven't even begun to see me upset.

[VOTE: Wilgy] aubergine
Say what you mean then. Why question things instead of present a case unless you know that case to be false and weak?
I question things cuz that's my playstyle.

I think your claim is weak and false. I believe the case has already been made, given Epi's flip, you making a case against me & choosing to not investigate me tho you've had me in the POE for a long time.

Oh yeah, and Maf don't seem to care that you're alive....which is strange for a cop, don't ya think?

They probably do. My first game actually had a cop brought into endgame but blocked.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 11:00 pm Someone shoulda poisoned poison.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 5:22 am
Poison wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 4:45 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 5:34 pm
not a threat to the civilian win condition
This is the only part of that quote that matters, the rest is irrelevant
it is not though.

he hadn't win the game because he hadn't got rid off few civilians.

"While I'm not a threat to the civilian win condition (beyond needing some of them dead), I DO need some of them dead."

so he would def. prioritize their kills over the scum to win the game??

that would reduce our numbers, and we will lose.

that's definitely contradicting his own statement.
Everything he said about whether he's a threat or not is totally meaningless other than the snippet I highlighted. It doesn't matter if he's potentially detrimental to town, it ONLY matters that his wincon is compatible with town's.

In other words, if town doesn't need to kill him to win, he woild be classified as Not A Threat. Whether he has to kill a town or can shoot a town or can win with either alignment is totally irrelevant and meaningless, the ONLY thing that matters is whether town has to kill him to win or not. According to epi town did not have to kill him to win.

According to Epi. But nice to see there was discussion about this.

At least that vote was real. Pfft.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 10:11 am
Ruri wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 10:11 am [VOTE: BoKnows] aubergine

For now.
lol dying to poison, useless vote
[VOTE: ruri ] aubergine

Even if Tutuu flipped town, she claimed to have received it from someone else. You sure the poison is real?

[VOTE: BoKnows] aubergine

For now.

Ruri wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 6:10 am Self-resolving:
Scotty:
Lock town due to desperado.

Epignosis:
Claimed 3p.

Syn/BoKnows:
Poisoned. Pending flip.

Tier 1, mech things:
RondoDimBuckle:
Was apparently green-checked by Wilgy. So, Wilgy might always have to flip first before Rondo.

Poison:
Claimed parity on 112, Rondo, TSP. Pushed 112 who flipped 3p. Pushed Koba for RB choice.

tutuu:
Claimed to have poisoned Bo. Claim was unprompted, and she pushed 112 who flipped 3p and gave her wishes (of which was used on Bo). I think Bo's flip should help figure tutuu out.

DrWilgy:
Claimed cop. Checked Bo/Rondo/Epi? Being wrong on Epi, or a claimed check, is not a good look. Bo flipping should determine Wilgy, but seeing as the check on Epi seems to be wrong, maybe not so necessary?

Tier 2:
sig and TSP:
Some mech with each other. Not quite tied to the point of being in Tier 1.

Made:
Treestump claim.

falcon45ca:
The only other game I remember them in was Deck Mafia 003, when they were town and voted themselves off on D1. I'm not sure if I can confidently read them, and would rather others do it instead. But I think from my limited experience with them, shouldn't they be trying to vote themselves off again?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME:
I don't really remember their posts. But they claimed a witcher flavor. There was that game W!Mac said killing Nanook is pro-town, but didn't push Nanook here, so IDK if that means anything. Like, maybe Nanook has a NAI approach to games so it's near policy.

There's a huge interlink of mech in Wilgy, I think. Was thinking that should wait till we figure Bo out first, but the check on Epi seems to be wrong, so that probably answers the question? If so, Bo is likely gonna flip villa. If Bo is villa, that kinda implicates Tutuu and Wilgy. If poison is gonna take 2 phases to resolve, then we're gonna be a lot closer to LYLO without resolving anything.

I'm leaning towards Tier 2 for solving, while Tier 1 is a confusing mech list.

Going back to this.. WIlgy probably is town for checking Sig, or they're all a team and it's pretty dicey play. Tutuu flipped town. Maybe Wilgy's check was messed with, since he's still alive and claimed cop (Epi flipping witch hunter flavor doesn't seem like a non-threat to town). I'm not sure what Bo will flip now, but hopefully scum. 112 granted wishes, of which Tutuu used. It would be a problem if the poison was fake, or IDK what. 2 previous poisons worked differently, so maybe this might work differently.

I got off work early.

And now I'm tired.
Another day of work tomorrow and then day off.

But in-game, I'm confused.

I'm not sure what Epi was, but if we are to read into flavor names.. Epi flipped a witch hunter. 112 flipped evil incarnate. Wouldn't they be considered threats to town, based on the flavor names?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 12:06 pm
Ruri wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 6:10 am DrWilgy:
Claimed cop. Checked Bo/Rondo/Epi? Being wrong on Epi, or a claimed check, is not a good look. Bo flipping should determine Wilgy, but seeing as the check on Epi seems to be wrong, maybe not so necessary?

There's a huge interlink of mech in Wilgy, I think. Was thinking that should wait till we figure Bo out first, but the check on Epi seems to be wrong, so that probably answers the question? If so, Bo is likely gonna flip villa. If Bo is villa, that kinda implicates Tutuu and Wilgy. If poison is gonna take 2 phases to resolve, then we're gonna be a lot closer to LYLO without resolving anything.
Check on Epi isn't wrong. He's not a threat to town wincon. I've now had to explain this too many times and I should be paid for it.

Not sure about this. AFAIK 3p are always a threat to town, especially claimed ones. This game is a good example of that. It finished recently.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 5:40 am Anyways scumWilgy checking sig/tsp only makes if they're all partnered, it isn't KILO presumably (assuming 3 mafia alive max) so that play doesn't make sense today

ScumWilgy isn't gonna claim town check on townSig when it creates two clears, that puts you in a super narrow window to operate in

Hmm, good points.

Finally here. Figured how to log in from phone. Got work again.

I have no idea now TBH.

I'm out. Night.

Looked through Nanook's ISO, actually doesn't look that bad. Also looked through Falcon's ISO, could go either way.

[VOTE: TSP] aubergine

Poison wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 11:44 am
Ruri wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 11:30 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 10:55 am
Ruri wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 6:10 am
Poison wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 5:21 am
Ruri wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 4:28 am Was looking through my old games and... I remember Urist was in a game on mafia451!
Urist is dead we can't use that meta anymore. Sad.
Don't think it matters when Urist claimed doc.
Urist is dead lol
I know Urist flipped. Just never saw the point in checking Urist meta when they claimed doc, which is what Poison was probably referring to.
and i don't see your point in mentioning this fact after his death.

Dude, I was just remembering where Urist was from. The player seemed famliar but I didn't recall from where.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 10:55 am
Ruri wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 6:10 am
Poison wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 5:21 am
Ruri wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 4:28 am Was looking through my old games and... I remember Urist was in a game on mafia451!
Urist is dead we can't use that meta anymore. Sad.
Don't think it matters when Urist claimed doc.
Urist is dead lol

I know Urist flipped. Just never saw the point in checking Urist meta when they claimed doc, which is what Poison was probably referring to.

BoKnows wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 8:01 amWhen do I die?

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 8:02 am
Ruri wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 6:10 am Self-resolving:
Scotty:
Lock town due to desperado.

Epignosis:
Claimed 3p.

Syn/BoKnows:
Poisoned. Pending flip.

Tier 1, mech things:
RondoDimBuckle:
Was apparently green-checked by Wilgy. So, Wilgy might always have to flip first before Rondo.

Poison:
Claimed parity on 112, Rondo, TSP. Pushed 112 who flipped 3p. Pushed Koba for RB choice.

tutuu:
Claimed to have poisoned Bo. Claim was unprompted, and she pushed 112 who flipped 3p and gave her wishes (of which was used on Bo). I think Bo's flip should help figure tutuu out.

DrWilgy:
Claimed cop. Checked Bo/Rondo/Epi? Being wrong on Epi, or a claimed check, is not a good look. Bo flipping should determine Wilgy, but seeing as the check on Epi seems to be wrong, maybe not so necessary?

Tier 2:
sig and TSP:
Some mech with each other. Not quite tied to the point of being in Tier 1.

Made:
Treestump claim.

falcon45ca:
The only other game I remember them in was Deck Mafia 003, when they were town and voted themselves off on D1. I'm not sure if I can confidently read them, and would rather others do it instead. But I think from my limited experience with them, shouldn't they be trying to vote themselves off again?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME:
I don't really remember their posts. But they claimed a witcher flavor. There was that game W!Mac said killing Nanook is pro-town, but didn't push Nanook here, so IDK if that means anything. Like, maybe Nanook has a NAI approach to games so it's near policy.

There's a huge interlink of mech in Wilgy, I think. Was thinking that should wait till we figure Bo out first, but the check on Epi seems to be wrong, so that probably answers the question? If so, Bo is likely gonna flip villa. If Bo is villa, that kinda implicates Tutuu and Wilgy. If poison is gonna take 2 phases to resolve, then we're gonna be a lot closer to LYLO without resolving anything.

I'm leaning towards Tier 2 for solving, while Tier 1 is a confusing mech list.
am I paranoid or could this be viewed as Ruri soft defending tutuu to try and find another target to push and making it look all official through a reads list. But all thats really in it is talking about mech

Mech is a big part of things TBF.

Back then, I wasn't that active either. LOL

It was near the slow phase of my burnout.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 10:53 am
Ruri wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 4:28 am Was looking through my old games and... I remember Urist was in a game on mafia451!
... you were in a game on 451?

Oh, I didn't remember you in 451. Had to check and yup, did play with you too (though you didn't have such a longass name)! LAPD Mafia

I'm just waiting for the Bo flip at this point. But it's also putting a lot of my sorting on hold. Mafia shouldn't be this hard.

Anyway, back to gaming while I can.

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 6:19 am Lets vote falcon yall

I have no idea about Falcon, but others seem to say they're villa. Come to think of it, Falcon and Nanook were both villa in that other game we played (with Mac and Michelle). At least I got to see Nanook play a bit before, while Falcon was completely new to me. Guess I'm trying to go with the more informed decision. But, not opposed.

[VOTE: Nanook] aubergine

Vote there as in, vote Wilgy.

Epi being a claimed 3p and pushing Wilgy for the 'wrong' check doesn't exactly inspire confidence to vote there TBH. So, maybe we should just flip Epi. Unless Epi is a townsided 3p, whilst 112 was the scumsided one (due to being called Evil Incarnate).

Poison wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 5:21 am
Ruri wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 4:28 am Was looking through my old games and... I remember Urist was in a game on mafia451!
Urist is dead we can't use that meta anymore. Sad.

Don't think it matters when Urist claimed doc.

Self-resolving:
Scotty:
Lock town due to desperado.

Epignosis:
Claimed 3p.

Syn/BoKnows:
Poisoned. Pending flip.

Tier 1, mech things:
RondoDimBuckle:
Was apparently green-checked by Wilgy. So, Wilgy might always have to flip first before Rondo.

Poison:
Claimed parity on 112, Rondo, TSP. Pushed 112 who flipped 3p. Pushed Koba for RB choice.

tutuu:
Claimed to have poisoned Bo. Claim was unprompted, and she pushed 112 who flipped 3p and gave her wishes (of which was used on Bo). I think Bo's flip should help figure tutuu out.

DrWilgy:
Claimed cop. Checked Bo/Rondo/Epi? Being wrong on Epi, or a claimed check, is not a good look. Bo flipping should determine Wilgy, but seeing as the check on Epi seems to be wrong, maybe not so necessary?

Tier 2:
sig and TSP:
Some mech with each other. Not quite tied to the point of being in Tier 1.

Made:
Treestump claim.

falcon45ca:
The only other game I remember them in was Deck Mafia 003, when they were town and voted themselves off on D1. I'm not sure if I can confidently read them, and would rather others do it instead. But I think from my limited experience with them, shouldn't they be trying to vote themselves off again?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME:
I don't really remember their posts. But they claimed a witcher flavor. There was that game W!Mac said killing Nanook is pro-town, but didn't push Nanook here, so IDK if that means anything. Like, maybe Nanook has a NAI approach to games so it's near policy.

There's a huge interlink of mech in Wilgy, I think. Was thinking that should wait till we figure Bo out first, but the check on Epi seems to be wrong, so that probably answers the question? If so, Bo is likely gonna flip villa. If Bo is villa, that kinda implicates Tutuu and Wilgy. If poison is gonna take 2 phases to resolve, then we're gonna be a lot closer to LYLO without resolving anything.

I'm leaning towards Tier 2 for solving, while Tier 1 is a confusing mech list.

Hmm, looks like Epi claimed 3p. Wilgy apparently green-checked them?

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 4:05 am
Ruri wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 3:48 am Hmm, I'm not sure who to vote for. Bo flipping might confirm Tutuu or Wilgy, so I'd rather see that resolve first. Time to deep-dive into POE.
Wow incredible, logic ITT. My mind blown rn

it would be surprising if only I was the one who thought of it. Anyways, will check POE.

Was looking through my old games and... I remember Urist was in a game on mafia451!

And gotta update my mafia stats. Finishing games lately.

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