The Syndicate

Doom flipped Town. That alone is enough evidence I was Town, but Seanzie and Marmot are making horrible arguments and nobdoy is voting.

So good luck. Do not revive me i am done with this game.

I also find it amusing I called out Seanzie for making the most insulting argument accusing me of being Town gamethrowing so I should be lynched and he just fucking clams up and leaves.

I played my role as optimally as I possibly could. But lack of Town voting power voters is killing us. So many non-voters letting a confirmed town be lynched.

I think you're overreading Martin. I don't think that's an insult. That seems like a person just calling you wolf.

I suppose you're right in a sense that scum scum reading someone is a meme to them and a roundable insult, but they have to do that to win, but you as Town would also not know someone scumreading you is an insult or not.

Really I'm just trying to calm you down and see things from a more rational state, but do what you want.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 11:45 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 11:24 pm Well I mean if you switch your vote around enough you're bound to accidentally vote a scum.

Also I'm starting to think I might be wrong on Seanzie after reading more of this. Marmot is looking 10x worse.

Though Seanzie's stubbornness to admit he is making an impossible claim that I am not Town and stretching really makes me doubt he is Town.

What is "impossible"? You're claiming to be a massively OP role that you apparently used in very suboptimal ways and your actual play doesn't really support your role.

Flanders was a strong townie who I revived. If anything reviving Mac was suboptimal because he was revived by someone else.

I revived Doom N1 for protection and it turns out I did infact need it since I was shot night 2.

As far as I see it, none of that was bad. You're saying you would rather waste a revive on someone being revived because in theory they might be a slightly better player.

If you're going to hang me for "gamethrowing" because I was playing my role optimally when you wouldn't, then you can go fuck yourself because clearly civil discourse was not something you ever intended.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 11:40 pm Clearly, its always okay to say things that totally would insult someone if they're town

so long as you don't know there alignment


and if LP flips town here then fml because I dont want to deal with Rondo or Mac or any of this crap any more

I don't believe calling someone a wolf is an insult frankly. Also mac's point was that you didn't consider that Rondo might have been reanimated as scum.

I don't think it's a strong argument since we don't know 100% how they got revived, but it wasn't like he was pushing super hard on you. He didn't even vote you.

I just don't get why you'd go so hard on Mac for that. Especially if he said it was TMI to assume Rondo is Town revived as Town and you're arguing Mac is Town revived as Scum.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 11:38 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 11:37 pm This also doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

I see you have taken Rondo's advice huh

If Rondo tried to give me any advice I must have tuned it out because I don't ember that.

I'm just saying this is a very odd hill that you want to die on. That wasn't a great post and it's easy to recognize that.

It's borderline absurd to try and push Mac for making a halfway decent accusation.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 11:34 pm *cough cough* totally not opportunistic shade *cough cough*

Why though? It's much easier to just jump on the large wagon or try to shade Cobalt.

That's not really opportunist. You've not had a large presence and been kind of just in the background.

If anything it takes more effort to go after you let alone try and build a brand new case from 1 recent post.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 11:33 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 11:25 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 11:20 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 11:18 pm Also pointing out who ever I vote for LP keeps following

Stop making good votes then.

Well I guess you just did. :P

Honestly though I fail to see why Martin. I don't follow your and Mac's convo at all.

Martin did a thing I often see mafia do where they telegraph TMI by trying to guilt trip how a player is going to feel about things in post. It implies they know the person is town. It's a semi common mafia slip.

The problem with that logic is that it never considers how likely a town is to say that.

This also doesn't make a whole lot of sense. That post you made does look pretty bad. I'd say even I would recognize that was a mistake of a post if I was in your position (town or otherwise).

The comment as a whole is just off with talking about post game stuff when there are 4 players dead.

Because honestly the main reason I've not been thinking Martin is scum was because he just so quickly caved into pressure and I never see scum claim Vanilla off of such an early push.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 11:25 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 11:20 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 11:18 pm Also pointing out who ever I vote for LP keeps following

Stop making good votes then.

Well I guess you just did. :P

Honestly though I fail to see why Martin. I don't follow your and Mac's convo at all.

Martin did a thing I often see mafia do where they telegraph TMI by trying to guilt trip how a player is going to feel about things in post. It implies they know the person is town. It's a semi common mafia slip.

OK I actually skimmed over that second line in the Martin quote. Yeah that is worded strange.

What though do you think about Martin's roleclaim day 1? As soon as he was at 2 votes he claimed Vanilla.

Well I mean if you switch your vote around enough you're bound to accidentally vote a scum.

Also I'm starting to think I might be wrong on Seanzie after reading more of this. Marmot is looking 10x worse.

Though Seanzie's stubbornness to admit he is making an impossible claim that I am not Town and stretching really makes me doubt he is Town.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 11:18 pm Also pointing out who ever I vote for LP keeps following

Stop making good votes then.

Well I guess you just did. :P

Honestly though I fail to see why Martin. I don't follow your and Mac's convo at all.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 10:21 pm You know I dislike it and If you wanted me to stay on Seanzie you should have

Fine.

[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

Happy?

I also failed to notice until now how bad Marmot's reason for voting me actually is.

I don't see how he thinks could think I'm lying and Proscha reanimated Flander since we know Porshca wasn't a reanimator since she would have been immune to the first attack and neither Mac nor Rondo died to save Porscha. None of that makes sense and he dipped as soon as he posted it.

Flanders I hope is just baiting something because Flanders knows that we share an alignment and if I did flip scum he would be confirmed scum, so I don't see how he could think I'd flip scum.

Looking at it Seanze is actually probably the only person with a somewhat valid reason to vote me, but it's stupid since its that he dislikes I revived Flanders and that I scum read him.

I should probably start reading the posts I quote instead of trusting I pressed the right button.

Honestly now that misquotting is being brought up alot I have just realized I've been thinking the quote button is at the bottom of the posts and I've just been quoting the next post.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 10:56 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 10:49 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 10:45 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 10:39 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 10:32 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 10:28 pm Really if you didn’t want to be accused of Mafia don’t make stupid pushes that are illogical. Your post where you voted me was literally that you didn’t like I redirected Flanders. Which I agree was bad in hindsight as it’s going to get me killed, but I find Flanders much more productive than Mac.

You are accusing me of trying to set up a miselim on someone who would be mech cleared to the thread in the world you're proposing, and you're accusing me of making illogical pushes?

Did you think Mac was scum after he revived?

Well my first thought was. "Maybe Mac is a self reviving scum."

Then I saw Rondo get revived and realized that there must be a 2nd reanimator and that they revived Mac. Which led me to think again "Wait they didn't revive Doom N1?"

So yeah of course I thought Mac was scum. I wasn't planning on saying that since casting doubt on revived people would be suicidal.

The only reason I'm saying my thoughts now is because I'm outed as a reanimator and have all this information. This was how I viewed and approached this game with the knowledge given by my role.

Did you voice any suspicion on Mac D3 when you thought they might be self-reviving scum? You seem pretty convinced that there aren't two town reanimators (I agree that there is too much reanimation for this game to be remotely balanced if it is all town reanimation) but that should mean you were just as convinced Mac was scum D3.

Yes.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 2:35 am One of the revives could have altered alignment, but I'm going to assume for now they weren't.

But I wasn't going to say mac since that was obviously going to be questioned with "Why not Flanders" and I didn't have a good idea of how to exclude Flanders without claiming.

I also did say this:

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 12:40 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 10:54 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 10:37 am I'm going to be away all day today, but I'll be around tomorrow

*Insert gif with bald eagles and freedom and lack of healthcare for the poor and stuff*

I'm a bit curious as to why. Something change your mind about me?

Because I was suspicious that you were trying to change your vote after seeing I was "immune" since I was attacked N2 and wanted to fish to see if you did.

But given you're likely Indy I kind of doubt you're Mafia who shot me N2.

Why would you be worried about claiming D3? According to you, you were out of shots at that point, so if you could out a scum and clear Flanders, why not claim?

For the second thing, I am just confused. Marmot said he was going to be away all day on the 4th of July, and I made a joke about America for the 4th of July. How does that even remotely add up to what you're saying here? What were you asking "why" about there? "why" what?

Well I wasn't sure the source of Mac's revival at the time. I figured I would voice my concern he was a self reviving scum, but given my role's power I felt it best to hide especially since I doubted there was a protective role with my self protection.

There was also just no need to make myself a target and tell scum I had no self protection. I only don't care now because I'm being lynched anyways so it doesn't matter and better to not die unannounced.

Also for the quote at the time I misquoted, but you had posted this which I was trying to quote.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 10:48 am

Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 2:48 am Porscha, Mac

Marmot

Sean, LP, Martin

Rondo
Creature
Cobalt -> 3p

This is mostly where I am at with Martin and LP a little higher, and Porscha and Marmot a little lower.

Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 10:49 pm Does host announce lylo on this site?

Pretty sure it's preference?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 10:45 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 10:39 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 10:32 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 10:28 pm Really if you didn’t want to be accused of Mafia don’t make stupid pushes that are illogical. Your post where you voted me was literally that you didn’t like I redirected Flanders. Which I agree was bad in hindsight as it’s going to get me killed, but I find Flanders much more productive than Mac.

You are accusing me of trying to set up a miselim on someone who would be mech cleared to the thread in the world you're proposing, and you're accusing me of making illogical pushes?

Did you think Mac was scum after he revived?

Well my first thought was. "Maybe Mac is a self reviving scum."

Then I saw Rondo get revived and realized that there must be a 2nd reanimator and that they revived Mac. Which led me to think again "Wait they didn't revive Doom N1?"

So yeah of course I thought Mac was scum. I wasn't planning on saying that since casting doubt on revived people would be suicidal.

The only reason I'm saying my thoughts now is because I'm outed as a reanimator and have all this information. This was how I viewed and approached this game with the knowledge given by my role.

Did you voice any suspicion on Mac D3 when you thought they might be self-reviving scum? You seem pretty convinced that there aren't two town reanimators (I agree that there is too much reanimation for this game to be remotely balanced if it is all town reanimation) but that should mean you were just as convinced Mac was scum D3.

Yes.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 2:35 am One of the revives could have altered alignment, but I'm going to assume for now they weren't.

But I wasn't going to say mac since that was obviously going to be questioned with "Why not Flanders" and I didn't have a good idea of how to exclude Flanders without claiming.

I also did say this:

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 12:40 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 10:54 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 10:37 am I'm going to be away all day today, but I'll be around tomorrow

*Insert gif with bald eagles and freedom and lack of healthcare for the poor and stuff*

I'm a bit curious as to why. Something change your mind about me?

Because I was suspicious that you were trying to change your vote after seeing I was "immune" since I was attacked N2 and wanted to fish to see if you did.

But given you're likely Indy I kind of doubt you're Mafia who shot me N2.

I really do not care if you guys diagree with me that there can't be 2 Town aligned reanimators. I just don't think there is unless Porscha was the other one of course.

But the OP said revives can change alignments and the name of the role was a generic "Civ Reanimator" which very much implies there was more than 1 reanimator and they probably aren't a Civ.

I just want it to be clear I only trust Flanders and I would not put any trust in Mac or Rondo.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 10:32 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 10:28 pm Really if you didn’t want to be accused of Mafia don’t make stupid pushes that are illogical. Your post where you voted me was literally that you didn’t like I redirected Flanders. Which I agree was bad in hindsight as it’s going to get me killed, but I find Flanders much more productive than Mac.

You are accusing me of trying to set up a miselim on someone who would be mech cleared to the thread in the world you're proposing, and you're accusing me of making illogical pushes?

Did you think Mac was scum after he revived?

Well my first thought was. "Maybe Mac is a self reviving scum."

Then I saw Rondo get revived and realized that there must be a 2nd reanimator and that they revived Mac. Which led me to think again "Wait they didn't revive Doom N1?"

So yeah of course I thought Mac was scum. I wasn't planning on saying that since casting doubt on revived people would be suicidal.

The only reason I'm saying my thoughts now is because I'm outed as a reanimator and have all this information. This was how I viewed and approached this game with the knowledge given by my role.

Really if you didn’t want to be accused of Mafia don’t make stupid pushes that are illogical. Your post where you voted me was literally that you didn’t like I redirected Flanders. Which I agree was bad in hindsight as it’s going to get me killed, but I find Flanders much more productive than Mac.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 10:24 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 10:17 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 10:14 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 10:09 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 10:05 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 9:57 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 9:54 pm

I have spent so much time looking over ISOs. Nobody is playing in such a way that looks like they are a team with the exception of you and Seanzie.

That leads me to several obvious conclusions. First being that Cobalt is probably Mafia with 1 of Seanzie, Creature, Martin, and Marmot. If that is wrong then honestly the 2 Mafia played pretty damn well.

2nd that leaves the Indy who has to be in that same pool of Seanzie, Creature, Martin, and Marmot.

The fact you flipped Town once means that Seanzie and your connection could only be that Seanzie is the Indy and you two are coordinating in a chat.

Mac like I said is just the same alignment as you pretty much all the time unless there are several scum aligned reanimators and only one can convert.

HAHAHAH This is such a stretch I think your arm popped out its socket

Nice slip, Mac is town

Also I will do you a favour, If you flip town I will turbo Seanzie so hard

I don't see how this spews Mac town, but whatever. There is almost assuredly at least one scum in you/Flanders/Mac, but that is an issue to deal with after we find the scum in the never-deads.

This is probably the most scumsidded thing you have ever said. You're going to lynch me and Flanders? No Town would think that after a Town Reanimator dies the person they reanimated would be scum.

You also cannot scumread me for being paranoid about a scum reanimator and then agree that that is true.

"This is scumsided, but also it is exactly what I've been saying" hmm...

I am not scumreading you for that and I have mentioned multiple times that the reanimated are quite possibly not all town and should not be blindly trusted.

The difference is that I have a strong rolecard that both implies there is a scum reanimator and that confirms that Falcon is always Town since I revive people as Town.

You are only making this argument to lynch Town.

I'm assuming you mean Flanders and not Falcon.

So you're trying to convince people of a world where I'm scum and you're town and that I'm including Flanders on that list with the intention of having you flip town, then me still go after cleared Flanders after that? You're really stretching for it here. Go ahead, tell me why that make no sense.

I mean no that’s correct. That’s the situation I’m seeing here. You’re not trying to hide the fact you’re scum like at all.

Also I don’t care if you vote another person I scjmread.
Im just tired of this man openwolfing

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 10:21 pm Why didnt you call your vote in thread @LinearPoint ?

I’ve never done that and found it clunky the one game I tried to use that vote tag thing.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 10:14 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 10:09 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 10:05 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 9:57 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 9:54 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 9:49 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 9:46 pm

I mean I know with like 99% accuracy you were ressurected by either Mafia or the Indy. unless they got some insane benefit from ressurecting you it's very likely that you just mimicked their alignment.

4 town revives is probably too strong, and with Doom and Flander's having their alignments stay the same makes it more likely hte one of you and Mac if not both are scum.

The way you've been playing today leads me to believe you are always scum and mac. I dunno, probably scum by proxy though he doesn't seem to be playing like one.

Now your story is changing. Arent you the reanimator? So youve given up on that? Its like youve given up on a lie that you were caught in and you know your position is untennable so you have to push a scummy looking town.

I know I am town and I have flipped town I have come back as town so I can just fuck around and find out. But you see this as a perfect opportunity to try and get another mislynch. There is a reason Seanzy isnt pushing me anymore. He found out I was town and Accepted he was wrong.

You however decided its the right thing to do? Why maybe because you feel under so much pressure to try and stay alive?

I have spent so much time looking over ISOs. Nobody is playing in such a way that looks like they are a team with the exception of you and Seanzie.

That leads me to several obvious conclusions. First being that Cobalt is probably Mafia with 1 of Seanzie, Creature, Martin, and Marmot. If that is wrong then honestly the 2 Mafia played pretty damn well.

2nd that leaves the Indy who has to be in that same pool of Seanzie, Creature, Martin, and Marmot.

The fact you flipped Town once means that Seanzie and your connection could only be that Seanzie is the Indy and you two are coordinating in a chat.

Mac like I said is just the same alignment as you pretty much all the time unless there are several scum aligned reanimators and only one can convert.

HAHAHAH This is such a stretch I think your arm popped out its socket

Nice slip, Mac is town

Also I will do you a favour, If you flip town I will turbo Seanzie so hard

I don't see how this spews Mac town, but whatever. There is almost assuredly at least one scum in you/Flanders/Mac, but that is an issue to deal with after we find the scum in the never-deads.

This is probably the most scumsidded thing you have ever said. You're going to lynch me and Flanders? No Town would think that after a Town Reanimator dies the person they reanimated would be scum.

You also cannot scumread me for being paranoid about a scum reanimator and then agree that that is true.

"This is scumsided, but also it is exactly what I've been saying" hmm...

I am not scumreading you for that and I have mentioned multiple times that the reanimated are quite possibly not all town and should not be blindly trusted.

The difference is that I have a strong rolecard that both implies there is a scum reanimator and that confirms that Falcon is always Town since I revive people as Town.

You are only making this argument to lynch Town.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 10:05 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 9:57 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 9:54 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 9:49 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 9:46 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 9:43 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 9:41 pm

I very much dislike being gaslit.

Plus I really do not trust that you and Mac are Town until one of you flips Town since I really doubt the other reanimator is Town.

ohhh so you need me to flip town twice in one game to know I am town. Got it

I mean I know with like 99% accuracy you were ressurected by either Mafia or the Indy. unless they got some insane benefit from ressurecting you it's very likely that you just mimicked their alignment.

4 town revives is probably too strong, and with Doom and Flander's having their alignments stay the same makes it more likely hte one of you and Mac if not both are scum.

The way you've been playing today leads me to believe you are always scum and mac. I dunno, probably scum by proxy though he doesn't seem to be playing like one.

Now your story is changing. Arent you the reanimator? So youve given up on that? Its like youve given up on a lie that you were caught in and you know your position is untennable so you have to push a scummy looking town.

I know I am town and I have flipped town I have come back as town so I can just fuck around and find out. But you see this as a perfect opportunity to try and get another mislynch. There is a reason Seanzy isnt pushing me anymore. He found out I was town and Accepted he was wrong.

You however decided its the right thing to do? Why maybe because you feel under so much pressure to try and stay alive?

I have spent so much time looking over ISOs. Nobody is playing in such a way that looks like they are a team with the exception of you and Seanzie.

That leads me to several obvious conclusions. First being that Cobalt is probably Mafia with 1 of Seanzie, Creature, Martin, and Marmot. If that is wrong then honestly the 2 Mafia played pretty damn well.

2nd that leaves the Indy who has to be in that same pool of Seanzie, Creature, Martin, and Marmot.

The fact you flipped Town once means that Seanzie and your connection could only be that Seanzie is the Indy and you two are coordinating in a chat.

Mac like I said is just the same alignment as you pretty much all the time unless there are several scum aligned reanimators and only one can convert.

HAHAHAH This is such a stretch I think your arm popped out its socket

Nice slip, Mac is town

Also I will do you a favour, If you flip town I will turbo Seanzie so hard

I don't see how this spews Mac town, but whatever. There is almost assuredly at least one scum in you/Flanders/Mac, but that is an issue to deal with after we find the scum in the never-deads.

This is probably the most scumsidded thing you have ever said. You're going to lynch me and Flanders? No Town would think that after a Town Reanimator dies the person they reanimated would be scum.

You also cannot scumread me for being paranoid about a scum reanimator and then agree that that is true.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 9:57 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 9:54 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 9:49 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 9:46 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 9:43 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 9:41 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 9:39 pm

but what if I did this?

[VOTE: Seanzie ] aubergine

I very much dislike being gaslit.

Plus I really do not trust that you and Mac are Town until one of you flips Town since I really doubt the other reanimator is Town.

ohhh so you need me to flip town twice in one game to know I am town. Got it

I mean I know with like 99% accuracy you were ressurected by either Mafia or the Indy. unless they got some insane benefit from ressurecting you it's very likely that you just mimicked their alignment.

4 town revives is probably too strong, and with Doom and Flander's having their alignments stay the same makes it more likely hte one of you and Mac if not both are scum.

The way you've been playing today leads me to believe you are always scum and mac. I dunno, probably scum by proxy though he doesn't seem to be playing like one.

Now your story is changing. Arent you the reanimator? So youve given up on that? Its like youve given up on a lie that you were caught in and you know your position is untennable so you have to push a scummy looking town.

I know I am town and I have flipped town I have come back as town so I can just fuck around and find out. But you see this as a perfect opportunity to try and get another mislynch. There is a reason Seanzy isnt pushing me anymore. He found out I was town and Accepted he was wrong.

You however decided its the right thing to do? Why maybe because you feel under so much pressure to try and stay alive?

I have spent so much time looking over ISOs. Nobody is playing in such a way that looks like they are a team with the exception of you and Seanzie.

That leads me to several obvious conclusions. First being that Cobalt is probably Mafia with 1 of Seanzie, Creature, Martin, and Marmot. If that is wrong then honestly the 2 Mafia played pretty damn well.

2nd that leaves the Indy who has to be in that same pool of Seanzie, Creature, Martin, and Marmot.

The fact you flipped Town once means that Seanzie and your connection could only be that Seanzie is the Indy and you two are coordinating in a chat.

Mac like I said is just the same alignment as you pretty much all the time unless there are several scum aligned reanimators and only one can convert.

HAHAHAH This is such a stretch I think your arm popped out its socket

Nice slip, Mac is town

Also I will do you a favour, If you flip town I will turbo Seanzie so hard

I'm sure you will. The only person I can trust here is Flanders, but he'll probably just die tonight since my flip will confirm him Town.

I hope I'm wrong about the cultist thing, but it's growing increasingly likely that is the case and if I'm wrong then I've got nothing left to do but have an existential crisis.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 9:54 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 9:33 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 2:43 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 2:09 pm Alright I had a hot shower and am relaxed. Honestly it’s been Gr. I assume most of the town has been converted or something because the argument that I’m a SK is so stupid as there hasn’t been more than 1 kill per night. Even if you were to assume I’m Indy the fact that Doom was reanimated as Town is enough for that claim to be rendered invalid as an Indy who can revive people as town is pointless unless they won with town. There’s also the only way I can be Mafia if Doom was a Vigilate who shot her self when Mafia attacked her N2 since Mafia probably wouldn’t come up with the plan to shoot themselves.

Who is claiming you're SK?

Everything here suggests you aren't actually trying to understand where my suspicion on you is coming from and actually engage with it, which makes me think I'm just right on you. Personally, I'm not sure if you're 3p or mafia, but I could easily see you being a 3p reanimator or something with your claim being mostly true, but with some lies mixed in (such as exactly who you revived and how your protection works), or you could be mafia here with some knowledge about how people have been reanimated either via some sort of rolecop or possibly recruitment. The least likely scenario is that you're town with an OP role that you're using in very questionable ways.

You did.

Quote where I called you SK.

OK I misread and was looking at this.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 9:49 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 9:46 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 9:43 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 9:41 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 9:39 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 9:33 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 2:43 pm

Who is claiming you're SK?

Everything here suggests you aren't actually trying to understand where my suspicion on you is coming from and actually engage with it, which makes me think I'm just right on you. Personally, I'm not sure if you're 3p or mafia, but I could easily see you being a 3p reanimator or something with your claim being mostly true, but with some lies mixed in (such as exactly who you revived and how your protection works), or you could be mafia here with some knowledge about how people have been reanimated either via some sort of rolecop or possibly recruitment. The least likely scenario is that you're town with an OP role that you're using in very questionable ways.

You did. You've done nothing but make up lies. You've been openwolfing since day 2 and nobody cares. The fact you have to make such drastic things up to kill a confirmed townie in itself is proof.

You change your story every 2 seconds. First you accuse me of being an SK, then when I point out it's stupid you act like you didn't even know that was an argument you were pushing.

Then you said I shot myself night 2 which is stupid. I just wouldn't even bother reanimating Doom if I was just going to commit suicide to kill her again.

And you can't even address any arguments solidly. The fact Rondo is parroting your talking points is why it's so fucking obvious you're the 3P with Mac and Rondo.

but what if I did this?

[VOTE: Seanzie ] aubergine

I very much dislike being gaslit.

Plus I really do not trust that you and Mac are Town until one of you flips Town since I really doubt the other reanimator is Town.

ohhh so you need me to flip town twice in one game to know I am town. Got it

I mean I know with like 99% accuracy you were ressurected by either Mafia or the Indy. unless they got some insane benefit from ressurecting you it's very likely that you just mimicked their alignment.

4 town revives is probably too strong, and with Doom and Flander's having their alignments stay the same makes it more likely hte one of you and Mac if not both are scum.

The way you've been playing today leads me to believe you are always scum and mac. I dunno, probably scum by proxy though he doesn't seem to be playing like one.

Now your story is changing. Arent you the reanimator? So youve given up on that? Its like youve given up on a lie that you were caught in and you know your position is untennable so you have to push a scummy looking town.

I know I am town and I have flipped town I have come back as town so I can just fuck around and find out. But you see this as a perfect opportunity to try and get another mislynch. There is a reason Seanzy isnt pushing me anymore. He found out I was town and Accepted he was wrong.

You however decided its the right thing to do? Why maybe because you feel under so much pressure to try and stay alive?

I have spent so much time looking over ISOs. Nobody is playing in such a way that looks like they are a team with the exception of you and Seanzie.

That leads me to several obvious conclusions. First being that Cobalt is probably Mafia with 1 of Seanzie, Creature, Martin, and Marmot. If that is wrong then honestly the 2 Mafia played pretty damn well.

2nd that leaves the Indy who has to be in that same pool of Seanzie, Creature, Martin, and Marmot.

The fact you flipped Town once means that Seanzie and your connection could only be that Seanzie is the Indy and you two are coordinating in a chat.

Mac like I said is just the same alignment as you pretty much all the time unless there are several scum aligned reanimators and only one can convert.

Plus like Seanzie said scum would always revive Mac if they had a convert which hey another reason Seanzie is the scum reanimator.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 9:43 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 9:41 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 9:39 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 9:33 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 2:43 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 2:09 pm Alright I had a hot shower and am relaxed. Honestly it’s been Gr. I assume most of the town has been converted or something because the argument that I’m a SK is so stupid as there hasn’t been more than 1 kill per night. Even if you were to assume I’m Indy the fact that Doom was reanimated as Town is enough for that claim to be rendered invalid as an Indy who can revive people as town is pointless unless they won with town. There’s also the only way I can be Mafia if Doom was a Vigilate who shot her self when Mafia attacked her N2 since Mafia probably wouldn’t come up with the plan to shoot themselves.

Who is claiming you're SK?

Everything here suggests you aren't actually trying to understand where my suspicion on you is coming from and actually engage with it, which makes me think I'm just right on you. Personally, I'm not sure if you're 3p or mafia, but I could easily see you being a 3p reanimator or something with your claim being mostly true, but with some lies mixed in (such as exactly who you revived and how your protection works), or you could be mafia here with some knowledge about how people have been reanimated either via some sort of rolecop or possibly recruitment. The least likely scenario is that you're town with an OP role that you're using in very questionable ways.

You did. You've done nothing but make up lies. You've been openwolfing since day 2 and nobody cares. The fact you have to make such drastic things up to kill a confirmed townie in itself is proof.

You change your story every 2 seconds. First you accuse me of being an SK, then when I point out it's stupid you act like you didn't even know that was an argument you were pushing.

Then you said I shot myself night 2 which is stupid. I just wouldn't even bother reanimating Doom if I was just going to commit suicide to kill her again.

And you can't even address any arguments solidly. The fact Rondo is parroting your talking points is why it's so fucking obvious you're the 3P with Mac and Rondo.

but what if I did this?

[VOTE: Seanzie ] aubergine

I very much dislike being gaslit.

Plus I really do not trust that you and Mac are Town until one of you flips Town since I really doubt the other reanimator is Town.

ohhh so you need me to flip town twice in one game to know I am town. Got it

I mean I know with like 99% accuracy you were ressurected by either Mafia or the Indy. unless they got some insane benefit from ressurecting you it's very likely that you just mimicked their alignment.

4 town revives is probably too strong, and with Doom and Flander's having their alignments stay the same makes it more likely hte one of you and Mac if not both are scum.

The way you've been playing today leads me to believe you are always scum and mac. I dunno, probably scum by proxy though he doesn't seem to be playing like one.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 9:39 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 9:33 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 2:43 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 2:09 pm Alright I had a hot shower and am relaxed. Honestly it’s been Gr. I assume most of the town has been converted or something because the argument that I’m a SK is so stupid as there hasn’t been more than 1 kill per night. Even if you were to assume I’m Indy the fact that Doom was reanimated as Town is enough for that claim to be rendered invalid as an Indy who can revive people as town is pointless unless they won with town. There’s also the only way I can be Mafia if Doom was a Vigilate who shot her self when Mafia attacked her N2 since Mafia probably wouldn’t come up with the plan to shoot themselves.

Who is claiming you're SK?

Everything here suggests you aren't actually trying to understand where my suspicion on you is coming from and actually engage with it, which makes me think I'm just right on you. Personally, I'm not sure if you're 3p or mafia, but I could easily see you being a 3p reanimator or something with your claim being mostly true, but with some lies mixed in (such as exactly who you revived and how your protection works), or you could be mafia here with some knowledge about how people have been reanimated either via some sort of rolecop or possibly recruitment. The least likely scenario is that you're town with an OP role that you're using in very questionable ways.

You did. You've done nothing but make up lies. You've been openwolfing since day 2 and nobody cares. The fact you have to make such drastic things up to kill a confirmed townie in itself is proof.

You change your story every 2 seconds. First you accuse me of being an SK, then when I point out it's stupid you act like you didn't even know that was an argument you were pushing.

Then you said I shot myself night 2 which is stupid. I just wouldn't even bother reanimating Doom if I was just going to commit suicide to kill her again.

And you can't even address any arguments solidly. The fact Rondo is parroting your talking points is why it's so fucking obvious you're the 3P with Mac and Rondo.

but what if I did this?

[VOTE: Seanzie ] aubergine

I very much dislike being gaslit.

Plus I really do not trust that you and Mac are Town until one of you flips Town since I really doubt the other reanimator is Town.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 2:43 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 2:09 pm Alright I had a hot shower and am relaxed. Honestly it’s been Gr. I assume most of the town has been converted or something because the argument that I’m a SK is so stupid as there hasn’t been more than 1 kill per night. Even if you were to assume I’m Indy the fact that Doom was reanimated as Town is enough for that claim to be rendered invalid as an Indy who can revive people as town is pointless unless they won with town. There’s also the only way I can be Mafia if Doom was a Vigilate who shot her self when Mafia attacked her N2 since Mafia probably wouldn’t come up with the plan to shoot themselves.

Who is claiming you're SK?

Everything here suggests you aren't actually trying to understand where my suspicion on you is coming from and actually engage with it, which makes me think I'm just right on you. Personally, I'm not sure if you're 3p or mafia, but I could easily see you being a 3p reanimator or something with your claim being mostly true, but with some lies mixed in (such as exactly who you revived and how your protection works), or you could be mafia here with some knowledge about how people have been reanimated either via some sort of rolecop or possibly recruitment. The least likely scenario is that you're town with an OP role that you're using in very questionable ways.

You did. You've done nothing but make up lies. You've been openwolfing since day 2 and nobody cares. The fact you have to make such drastic things up to kill a confirmed townie in itself is proof.

You change your story every 2 seconds. First you accuse me of being an SK, then when I point out it's stupid you act like you didn't even know that was an argument you were pushing.

Then you said I shot myself night 2 which is stupid. I just wouldn't even bother reanimating Doom if I was just going to commit suicide to kill her again.

And you can't even address any arguments solidly. The fact Rondo is parroting your talking points is why it's so fucking obvious you're the 3P with Mac and Rondo.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 2:45 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 2:14 pm I just hope Mafia kill Seanzie because he is just an open wolfing Indy and it’s painfully obvious. He’s practically claiming Cultist with how Rondo is open wolfing with him. Granted he’s probably night immune, but whatevs. I just hope he doesn’t win for how obvious he is playing.

You being this convinced I'm 3p makes me think you KNOW for a fact I'm not mafia, which means that you're mafia. Good to know.

You admitting you're the 3p is all I need so that's good to know.

I’ve resigned to the fact I’ve done my job undoing the mislynches, so of town still wants to conduct more it’s not my problem anymore.

I just hope Mafia kill Seanzie because he is just an open wolfing Indy and it’s painfully obvious. He’s practically claiming Cultist with how Rondo is open wolfing with him. Granted he’s probably night immune, but whatevs. I just hope he doesn’t win for how obvious he is playing.

Alright I had a hot shower and am relaxed. Honestly it’s been Gr. I assume most of the town has been converted or something because the argument that I’m a SK is so stupid as there hasn’t been more than 1 kill per night. Even if you were to assume I’m Indy the fact that Doom was reanimated as Town is enough for that claim to be rendered invalid as an Indy who can revive people as town is pointless unless they won with town. There’s also the only way I can be Mafia if Doom was a Vigilate who shot her self when Mafia attacked her N2 since Mafia probably wouldn’t come up with the plan to shoot themselves.

Yeah I don't know. I'm just going to go play minecraft for a day. I'm just frustrated we've lynched 4 town with supposedly 4 Town revives and not a single scum kill.

There is really no other way this game is solved and nobody cares.

Seanize is 100% the Indy Reanimating Cultist.

Mac and Rondo both were revived as Cultists.

Martin is basically announcing he is Mafia with this opportunistic half assed push.

Reviving Flanders was the biggest mistake of the game since he's done nothing but push Town since revival.

Creature and Cobalt are AFK with 1 of them guarenteed to be scum. Honestly if both are scum I'll have to reconsider the idea of just be afk all game to freelo victory.

Like I said I don't real care if I die or not. Hopefully it's obvious that Seanzie and Martin are just scum. They are trying their hardest to reach for some stupid ass reason that I'm a 3rd Party jus tbecause they want to remove a reanimator from the game.

I assume they just don't believe I only have 2 revives. And like I said with me getting attacked N2, I'm pretty sure they are 3rd who think I'm night immune.

Well considering Doom was reanimated as Town I doubt a scum reanimator would do taht.

Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 3:49 pm LPs description of their rolecard is questionable.

That's because it was.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 3:38 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 2:03 pm It's also hard to believe there is a second Civ reanimator considering the role gets a 1-shot pseudoBP., night kills are redirected to a player you revived instead. Obviously that's what happened to Doom N2.

okay that does explain things a bit

but if there is a 3p reanimator I suspect you're not removed from that possibility

I breifly wondered if I missed in my rolecard a wincon or something since one was never given, but I assume Civ means Town and if I were Indy I would have been given a goal of any kind.

Honestly I already suspected Seanzie was the one who attacked me night 2. They were suspiciously quick to start pushing me day 3.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 2:56 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 2:46 pm Well really I just wanted to get the revives off to guarentee value. I decided between you and Falcon to choose you. Mac hadn't really participated until then so he wasn't considered.

So you didn't consider reviving one of the most respected players on this community that was killed N1? Like no offense to Flanders and Falcon, but this is a very weird choice to make. Plus, Mac wasn't like the most active D1, but he was contributing. Only after his revival has he not really participated much.

So I was right that you were the scum Reanimator who ressurected Mac.

Cool.

Well really I just wanted to get the revives off to guarentee value. I decided between you and Falcon to choose you. Mac hadn't really participated until then so he wasn't considered.

Only that they had to be town obviously. And yes 2.

Flanders, sorry I didn't quote.

you and Doom.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 12:50 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 2:55 am But the Mafia don't appear to be working together at all since no players have really any connections. Which leads me to think my original theory of the indy being Town who self revives as Mafia being true.

In which case it would mean Mac is Mafia with Seanzie and probably Cobalt.

And that I think is my only real plausible read. Otherwise this game is weird and I clearly do not understand the setup.

If you believe the 3p is someone who flips town and then revives to mafia, why would that mean it is Mac, rather than Flanders or Rondo?

Well Mac was very much not revived by Town which makes it hard to believe he is Town.

I suppose I don't really need to hide my role anymore, but I'm the one reviving Town and I'm out of revives so that's the end of that.

Furthermore my role being Civ Reanimator implies that there is probably a Mafia or Indy Reanimator which seeing Mac was revived yeah that is probably the case. The way people have been talking also seems like there is only the 2 reanimators in the game and no more which one being scum and one being town makes sense.

It's also hard to believe there is a second Civ reanimator considering the role gets a 1-shot pseudoBP., night kills are redirected to a player you revived instead. Obviously that's what happened to Doom N2.

I'm past the point of caring if I die or not, I just want it to be clear when I die and flip Town that the other reanimator is scum and that both Mac and Rondo are not to be trusted since they were revived by scum who probably changed their alignments.