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by Glorfindel
Sat May 07, 2016 10:28 am
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Re: Battlestar Galactica Mafia - Day One

OK, this is embarrassing... How fortunate I decided to check up on this game? You guys drag your sign-ups out for an eternity and then suddenly get the remaining players in no time at all... :mad:

In any case, greetings to you all - especially you Zebs. I'm especially happy to see you back :hug:
by Glorfindel
Sat May 07, 2016 9:45 pm
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Re: Battlestar Galactica Mafia - Day One

sig wrote:@Glorfindel you came in, made a post then poof. :(

Current thoughts on the game?
So Say We All

Yeah, I thought it was important to check in (without reading the rules carefully first) - nothing like starting the game screwed from your first post... :mad:

From what I (skim) read I feel happy so far about Zebs (I wonder if I've developed some skill in reading her now given our rocky start). There's a lot of players here I've not encountered before which is something of a challenge. I thought Matt's remark about the different coloured font in the profiles of our Cylon friends was interesting. I'd not noticed that's til he mentioned it. What if anything that is indicative of I have absolutely no clue. I notice my friend IAWY hasn't posted yet :(

Oh, and congratulations on the Ambassador thing. To be honest, this site has no more passionate and insistent promoter than you.
by Glorfindel
Sun May 08, 2016 5:15 am
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Re: Battlestar Galactica Mafia - Day One

SokothQultuq wrote:I'm so freaking confused..... I donno what's going on... ::head to desk...head to desk...::
You're new here, aren't you? :haha: This is my fourth game on this site and I can assure you my friend that is how things work here. The light of truth is snuffed out and we're left to fumble around aimlessly in the inky blackness... :(
by Glorfindel
Mon May 09, 2016 5:06 am
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Re: Battlestar Galactica Mafia - Day One

So Say We All!

My apologies my friends for my absence - I've been locked away all day and couldn't get back to vote :(. And what's worse,I come back to find the principal reason I signed up for this game - gone! :( First I inadvertently break the rules with my first post and now this... This is turning out pretty tragically...
by Glorfindel
Mon May 09, 2016 5:22 am
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Re: Battlestar Galactica Mafia - Day One

So Say We All!
indiglo wrote:
DrumBeats wrote:This whole are all cylons bad vs are only some cylons bad thing is interesting. Personally, I believe that only some cylons are against us and others may very well be on our side because 12 scum seems to be too many, especially with one reviving herself right now.

In order to get a more complete town consensus, I would like to hear every person's thoughts on what we are up against tonight. If everybody provides an opinion, we may be able to figure it out as a group, and we will also have things to look back on about this and maybe reveal more depending on how people flip when they die.

My opinion - Epi's Cylon role is a pro-human/town/civ role. So I definitely do not think this game is as simple a set up as humans vs Cylons anymore.
I think I can get on board with this. In one of my earlier posts, I referred to Matt's reference to the Cylons of different coloured font (i.e. red/green). It makes sense to me that the Mafia Team are those whose names are in red font in the index irrespective of whether they are Human or Cylon. Likewise, the opposite applies for those characters in the index whose characters are in green font - they represent the Town. I know that's a Mafia team of 12 members and yes, that's way higher than any game I've played before but thinking on it, why not? Frankly the profile pics of all those characters whose names are in red look pretty damn dodgy to me...
by Glorfindel
Mon May 09, 2016 6:14 am
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Re: Battlestar Galactica Mafia - Day One

So Say We All!
Matt wrote:Yo Glor, this was my bad too, but the colors under each role just refers to where they are currently stationed.
Hey, Matt :) Yeah, I read that but do we know that is confirmed?
by Glorfindel
Mon May 09, 2016 10:32 pm
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Re: Battlestar Galactica Mafia - Night One

So Say We All!

I started to catch up on this thread when I first awoke this morning at 5:30 am and in between inconveniences like meals and work I think I've finally managed to catch up. It's 12:25 pm now and I feel like I want to poke my eyes out :fist: I totally understand the passion a lot of us have for these games but those responsible for the last umpteen pages need to take a long hard look at themselves. This kind of behaviour does nothing but discourage those of us who are trying to enjoy and contribute to this insanely complex game.

After 43 pages, I still don't know what the hell is going on and feel I am grasping in the darkness for some point of reference, a northern star if you will. The funny thing is, I don't actually feel disadvantaged by that any longer. After all I have read, I think I'd be MORE concerned right now if I truly thought I knew what was going on and that I had all the answers like a couple of you appear to do. My feelings about some of you have changed and I feel like I understand some of you better than I have before.
by Glorfindel
Tue May 10, 2016 12:40 am
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Re: Battlestar Galactica Mafia - Night One

Epignosis wrote:
Glorfindel wrote:So Say We All!

I started to catch up on this thread when I first awoke this morning at 5:30 am and in between inconveniences like meals and work I think I've finally managed to catch up. It's 12:25 pm now and I feel like I want to poke my eyes out :fist: I totally understand the passion a lot of us have for these games but those responsible for the last umpteen pages need to take a long hard look at themselves. This kind of behaviour does nothing but discourage those of us who are trying to enjoy and contribute to this insanely complex game.

After 43 pages, I still don't know what the hell is going on and feel I am grasping in the darkness for some point of reference, a northern star if you will. The funny thing is, I don't actually feel disadvantaged by that any longer. After all I have read, I think I'd be MORE concerned right now if I truly thought I knew what was going on and that I had all the answers like a couple of you appear to do. My feelings about some of you have changed and I feel like I understand some of you better than I have before.
Go on.
So Say We All!

Well, as weird as it feels to admit this, this is the first game I've played here where I'm seeing Matt as perfectly rational, reasoned generally making a lot of sense in my judgement. I don't know if I've played with him previously but while I don't think I totally 'got' him early on, I feel a lot more comfortable with Ricochet given his stated views and his insistence on the whole 'commitment and discipline in working together' strategy-wise. I still feel good about Zebs too. Someone mentioned earlier (Sig, I wouldn't mind wagering) that I always see her as Town which is not true. In my first game with her (Star Wars) I knew she was bad from the get go. But I think I'm pretty good (for some reason) in picking her alignment. Even you I suppose to an extent as well. I don't know that you and I have ever really 'hit it off' all that well but despite that, right now I have no burning desire to remove you from the game because yes, at this stage, I do believe that you are Town.

Incidentally, on the topic that was raised earlier on the topic of the 'S' word, I can give you a cast iron guarantee that I NEVER used that word in any Mafia game I have ever played and NEVER will. I personally find it demeaning and derogatory and will never use it in reference to any of my fellow players in these games. Just sayin'...
by Glorfindel
Tue May 10, 2016 7:30 am
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Re: Battlestar Galactica Mafia - Day Two

So Say We All!

OK, I'm just thinking out loud here. Epi is a Cylon but claims not to be aligned with the Mafia (Baddies) in this game and has no BTSC. Taking him at his word, do we all agree that there must be a BTSC inhabited by the Mafia (Baddies)? I know of games where the Mafia have not had the benefit of BTSC but I can't see Golden doing that here. Assuming that not all the Cylons are Mafia (Baddies) and the (however remote the possibility) that some humans may be as well, where does that leave us? What is the connection between the presumably six or seven players that are the Mafia (Baddy) Team? I know next to nothing about this show, does anyone who's a fan of it care to hypothesise as to what we're dealing with here?
by Glorfindel
Tue May 10, 2016 8:40 am
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Re: Battlestar Galactica Mafia - Day Two

Ricochet wrote:2.1. I would find awkward for a human to be bad, together with other bad cylons, and have a conflicting agenda with his factions agenda (unless if he has a traitor-like status, which is not out of the question, but a bit far from likelihood).
Yes, this (quite succinctly put) was where I was headed although not in respect of Ika but in a more general sense. That's what I was referring to in terms of the TV Series, like were there any human characters that fraternised (if that's the right word...) with the Cylons? You said Rico, it was a "bit far from likelihood" but frankly, nothing would surprise me in this game... :shrug:
by Glorfindel
Tue May 10, 2016 8:42 am
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Re: Battlestar Galactica Mafia - Day Two

Ricochet wrote:
Glorfindel wrote:So Say We All!

OK, I'm just thinking out loud here. Epi is a Cylon but claims not to be aligned with the Mafia (Baddies) in this game and has no BTSC. Taking him at his word, do we all agree that there must be a BTSC inhabited by the Mafia (Baddies)? I know of games where the Mafia have not had the benefit of BTSC but I can't see Golden doing that here. Assuming that not all the Cylons are Mafia (Baddies) and the (however remote the possibility) that some humans may be as well, where does that leave us? What is the connection between the presumably six or seven players that are the Mafia (Baddy) Team? I know next to nothing about this show, does anyone who's a fan of it care to hypothesise as to what we're dealing with here?
I imagine that the baddies have BTSC, because it's highly traditional for them to be informed and in contact with each other. There are future games that have claimed to want to experiment with BTSC-less mafia team, but I don't see Golden applying this here, either. Depending on how many baddies are we projecting, it then comes into question if all of them are in contact (Talking Heads Mafia style) or are split in, say, two groups with enabled BTSC within one group, but no knowledge of the other group.

As for connections between Cylons, if that's what you meant by "six or seven players that are Mafia (Baddy)", the problem with the show is that it's not all very clear and ultimately becomes very nuanced and divisive about the Cylon ranks. Athena is the closest thing to a potential civilian clear within the Cylon ranks. Caprica Six could almost count as an indy (and Matt did in fact propose this), due to her distinct relation and interest in Gaius Baltar. Numbers such as Leoben (#2) started out as clear villains (sleeper agent on Galactica, I think), but then another model of that number became involved in influencing Starbuck towards a certain goal. So really, if you start taking all the Cylons and judge which model was pure evil and which model was nuanced or ultimately divided about fighting the humans, it gets really, really, really complicated.
So Say We All!

OK, I'm going to bed. I think I have a splitting headache coming on...

Oh, and thank you :hug:
by Glorfindel
Tue May 10, 2016 6:23 pm
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Re: Battlestar Galactica Mafia - Day Two

Matt wrote:For those of you who don't believe there can be a mafia consisting solely of humans...

I can. Don't know who the other members would be, but I can see Zarek and Felix headlining a human Mafia group, for sure.

If we're strictly following lore from the show, I'm rethinking my stance on a cylon/mafia mix team. Why? Because Number One, John, hates all humans, all of 'em.

Rico, Long Con, indiglo - Theories on other humans who could possibly be on a Zarek/Felix mafia?

indiglo - If I've missed it, sorry, but can you give a short list of susses and/or players you're feeling good about?

Linki - Yeah LC, I agree. I know I was the lone voice against your idea, but once you pointed out that the saved person wouldn't be announced, then I thought "well then why wouldn't Dee do that then?"

AND even if ika was human, that does not clear him from being mafia IMO. There are 29 players in this game, well enough for two separate mafia teams.
So Say We All!

As much as I'm struggling with this game, I am enjoying very much the challenging theories you are proposing. I'm not fully caught up yet but in relation to your comments above, from my reading of things Gaius Baltar (Human) fills the detective role in this game and can determine whether any given player is either Human or Cylon. The detective role is from my experience, exclusively a Town role. Apart from the possibility of a Human traitor, surely that suggests that the bulk of the Mafia team is indeed Cylon (not necessarily all of the Cylons either as I believe the situation with Epi evidences). Is it unreasonable to make this assumption? Otherwise, surely the detective role would be nothing but a farce :shrug:
by Glorfindel
Wed May 11, 2016 7:32 am
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Re: Battlestar Galactica Mafia - Day Two

So Say We All!

OK, so picking up where I left off, it appears the general consensus is that our Mafia Team is approximately six or seven members strong predominantly comprised of Cylons with a human or two thrown in? There's still something about this whole set up that feels fishy to me but for the time being, I suppose... :shrug:

I'll be limited as far as my time goes tomorrow stuck in interviews most of the day so my posting will remain a little sparse for the time being, sorry... I think I'm up with most of what's going on now so I'll just throw a few thoughts out there:

Ricochet: a number of people have inferred that they are suspicious of him. I'd really like to hear the case against him. Personally, I'm getting nothing but Town vibes from him. I find his enthusiasm for this game to be almost infectious and his reaction to the whole LC Sortie insubordination incident this morning reveals that he is someone who is passionate about teamwork and discipline (qualities that I personally admire). Sure, it could all be calculated and manipulative but I'm just not feeling it.

Zebs: I'd love to hear some of your thoughts on the goings on here - I value your opinions very highly and frankly, we could do with the benefit of your insight.

IAWY: Someone (Epi?) mentioned the possibility of him being the Day 2 default lynch - I'd never be on board with that had he still been playing but I find it strange behaviour for him given my experiences of him in games at other sites.

Epi: Will not be getting my vote.

Silverwolf: Safe Town in my book.

JJJ: I don't honestly know what to think. Like Ricochet, he appears to have his detractors but the case against him as I understand it is based on a perception that he is playing differently from past games? I have no reference point for that so I'll be leaving that one for others to debate.

Matt: I'm as certain as I can be that you're Town and I don't know what it is but if there IS indeed something fishy going on with this game mechanic, I'm confident you'll work it out :nicenod:

I can't say I have any strong feelings against most of the other players that have come under consideration today (e.g. Nutella, ObscureAllure, etc.).

There's still substantial time before the next vote so I'll keep an eye out until then...
by Glorfindel
Wed May 11, 2016 5:03 pm
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Re: Battlestar Galactica Mafia - Day Two

So Say We All!

IAWY, Let me get this straight... You say:
Inawordyes wrote:Okay, so I'm here! :omg:

I ISO'd Go,den to make sure I could post, I got through the first 1,200 posts but I really don't have the time to be able to catch up completely so from the ISO I know the flips, but I don't know anything about what's happened for the rest of Day 1 + any of Day 2 so far.
And follow it up with this...
Inawordyes wrote:I didn't like Glorfindel's posts that I read post-entrance. He seemed fine in his first, but - and this may be a result of his wanting to play differently like he mentioned in sign-ups - he did not sound like himself in the others. I saw people saying he was being fluffly in them. I didn't really see much of that, but tonewise he was a mess haha. I've never played a game with Matty where he was scum, so I don't have know,edge of the differences in his attitude between town and Mafia, but the jarring tone shift makes me wanna say he's Mafia because it's not like town!Glorf at all.
I'm sorry but I'm finding it VERY hard to take you seriously... Especially following your Day 1 post...
by Glorfindel
Wed May 11, 2016 5:18 pm
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Re: Battlestar Galactica Mafia - Day Two

So Say We All!
G-Man wrote:As for Glorfindel, he's my Lazy Rotten Debra of the game so far. He's made 13 posts and a few of them are of the "catching up :sigh: " variety. He posts a few civvie vibes, agrees with a lot of other people's thoughts, gets sidetracked into lore/mechanics discussions, and tells us who he won't vote for. What's missing is independent thought and any mention of his own suspicions. That's almost exactly what Debra did in Biblical Mafia, hence the term Lazy Rotten Debra.
So we're resorting to 'name calling' now? THAT'S mature...

When I have to wake up of a morning to ten pages of posts, damn straight I'm going to complain about it (like half the players in this game but I assume you don't find them suspicious?). If my behavour this game appears different to my past games here, I can assure you that you are correct. I find it particularly imprudent to go throwing my vote around when I don't even know who it is that I'm supposed to be voting for - otherwise I'd simply vote for Epi right now (following the theory that all Cylons are Mafia) and I've spent a large part of this game coming to terms with that.

And yes, I'm not as good at this game as you obviously are and I'll admit I suck at accusing people of Mafia. So what I am attempting to do this game is more of a 'process of elimination' but identifying the players I am comfortable with so I can look more closely at those who remain. Certainly, it might take me a while longer to get there, but I'm confident that it will yield better results :nicenod:
by Glorfindel
Wed May 11, 2016 6:55 pm
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Re: Battlestar Galactica Mafia - Day Two

So Say We All!
DrWilgy wrote:So... because I'm not reading 2400 posts... How would you describe the person I used to be?
Welcome :D IAWY is a friend of mine and (if you refer to the Sign Up thread) he was the reason I even signed up for this game. Having said that, his behaviour this game appeared (at least to me) to be a little erratic...
by Glorfindel
Wed May 11, 2016 8:06 pm
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Re: Battlestar Galactica Mafia - Day Two

So Say We All!

Sorry, posting between interviews today is going to be tricky...
DrWilgy wrote:Linki - Thanks everyone. Glorf, what of IAWY... or mine would you describe as erratic compared to his normal behavior? I should probably check the player list and past votes now...
IAWY and I haven't played a lot together but I like and respect him enormously. From past experience I think he is only too well aware that I would almost never vote to lynch him - in fact, in previous games I've gone out of my way to defend him. That combined with his earlier post about me just struck me as really random. It's a personal thing I guess :shrug:
by Glorfindel
Wed May 11, 2016 9:48 pm
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Re: Battlestar Galactica Mafia - Day Two

So Say We All!
S~V~S wrote:
Epignosis wrote:I've made a deal with Long Con, and unless he accepts, my vote goes to him. I'm sorry.
He's trying to get lynched. I think he is not gonna die. There could be civvie reasons for this,but if he were a civvie I doubt he would play them up. He is egging people on, he made a vote that could not save him when he had the most votes, or the second most votes.

He wants to be lynched.
I'll admit, this is what it looks like to me. Epi seems convinced of LC's innocence and while I respect that, the next worst thing to a Mafia member is (in my opinion) a reckless Townie. I think the sortie hijack and his stubborn insistence in not accepting what I think should by now be obvious to everyone suggests a lack of discipline that even if he isn't Mafia isn't going to help us in the long run. I still have time and I am open to being convinced otherwise...
by Glorfindel
Wed May 11, 2016 10:37 pm
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Re: Battlestar Galactica Mafia - Day Two

So Say We All!

How long until the deadline?
by Glorfindel
Wed May 11, 2016 10:40 pm
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Re: Battlestar Galactica Mafia - Day Two

So Say We All!
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Glorfindel wrote:So Say We All!

How long until the deadline?
about 44 minutes.
Thank you :)
by Glorfindel
Wed May 11, 2016 11:20 pm
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Re: Battlestar Galactica Mafia - Day Two

So Say We All!

I'm voting Long Con I already explained why and I've seen nothing since to sway me to other candidates.
by Glorfindel
Wed May 11, 2016 11:28 pm
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Re: Battlestar Galactica Mafia - Day Two

Son Say We All!
sig wrote:all these last minute votes on nutella are worrying to me.

Though I really dislike Glorfs vote for LC. :sigh:
Do you now, Sig? Tell me, what's new?
by Glorfindel
Fri May 13, 2016 6:25 am
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Re: Battlestar Galactica Mafia - Night Two

Happy birthday and many happy returns to Mrs Golden :)
So Say We All!

Sorry, Guys - I thought given the extended Night phase I naively thought there wouldn't be much action on the thread :shrug: Now it's the weekend I hope I can spend a little more time here with you all. If I may make an observation, it appears that generally speaking, I'm on thread at somewhat different times to most of you (undoubtedly the consequence of time zone differences). I'm figuring that I may actually be of some use in helping out with the Resurrection ship hunting thing in covering times that most of you struggle to. Should that be the case, and you need help filling a vacant and hard to fill spot, I might just be your man!

I read the events of this morning and the exchange between Matt and Silverwolf and as much as I've come to respect you Matt, if Silverwolf was indeed enjoying the game before, I find it hard to believe that she is now :(

More to come...
by Glorfindel
Fri May 13, 2016 6:29 am
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Re: Battlestar Galactica Mafia - Night Two

sig wrote:Matt remember when you thought Glorfindel was two face for saying twice and things like that?
Thanks for bringing that up again Sig... I still bear the emotional scars... :srsnod:
by Glorfindel
Fri May 13, 2016 9:35 am
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Re: Battlestar Galactica Mafia - Night Two

Silverwolf wrote:Also, Glorfindel came in late and voted Long Con which should be noted as well as a possible save move for nutella.
Sure, Silver, you COULD certainly interpret my vote in that manner but you'd be wrong. A lynch vote can be used in more subtle ways than that. As I'd explained earlier in the last Day phase, I wasn't sufficiently convinced of the guilt of anyone at the end of the last Day phase but was feeling more comfortable with a number of players (again, you can look back for yourself and see that). My vote and its timing were dictated by a combination of factors including that and my limited availability towards the end of that phase.

Of the candidates that had attracted votes, I was most concerned about Zebs and wanted to hold off voting as long as I could in order to avoid the lynching of someone that I (rightly or wrongly) believe to be on our team. Once it became clear that she was no longer in danger, I sought to find somewhere to place my vote. I considered LC to be a valid choice for the following reasons:

1) He could potentially be a Cylon (he had the second highest number of votes after all although granted, that is in no way conclusive).

2) As I'd indicated earlier in the day, even if he WERE a Townie, his reckless attitude and lack of discipline (the sortie hijacking) and his stubborness (I think) make him a liability to our chances of success.

3) At the time I cast my vote, LC was sufficiently far behind Nutella that I considered it highly unlikely that my vote would affect the outcome of the vote.

4) And no, sad to say I didn't find Nutella worthy of my vote. I thought the case against her (wrongly) was circumstantial and that she had sufficiently explained away the case against her - but then the majority of players (69% at any rate) clearly agreed with me.

5) And lastly, I understood what Epi was trying to do in attempting to convince LC to see the light and I thought if nothing else, my vote may have at least helped achieve that. But no, LC was too stubborn and missed the opportunity - Refer reason 2.

So, you can interpret my motives any way you please but I've told you the truth, the rest is (as they say) up to you. I've never had the pleasure of playing with you before but I expect that no one here who has played with me would be surprised by anything that I said here...
by Glorfindel
Fri May 13, 2016 5:51 pm
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Re: Battlestar Galactica Mafia - Night Two

indiglo wrote:
Golden wrote:You found and destroyed a resurrection ship in sector F2. Hot Dog and Kat returned alive.
w00t w00t! :fiesta:

BOSS SORTIE SENDING MARMOT!!!



Ok, updated (and complete) sortie schedule & sector map:


>May 8, 11:47 pm EST - ika, A1
>May 9, 5:47 5:49 am EST - ika, A3
>May 9, 11:49 am EST - indiglo, A5 LC, D5
>May 9, 5:49 pm EST - Silverwolf, A5
>May 9, 11:49 pm EST - Marmot, E3
>May 10, 5:49 am EST - SVS, B2 - SUCCESS
>May 10, 11:49 am EST - juliets, C3
>May 10, 5:49 pm EST - SW, F4
>May 10, 11:49 pm EST - indiglo, F5
>May 11, 5:49 am EST - Rico, E5
>May 11, 11:49 am EST - G-Man, E1
>May 11, 5:49 pm EST - juliets, B3
>May 11, 11:49 pm 12:12am EST - Scotty, D6
---Switching to 12 hour intervals---
>May 12 - 12:12 am EST - Scotty - D6
>May 12 - 12:12 12:34 pm EST - Bea indiglo - B6
>May 13 - 12:12 12:34 am EST - Marmot - F2 - SUCCESS
>May 13 - 12:12 12:34 pm EST - G-Man

May 14 - 12:04 am EST - indiglo (if anyone else wants this, that's fine, I've put myself there just in case)
May 14 - 6:04 am EST -
May 14 - 12:04 pm EST -
May 14 - 6:04 pm EST -

(the times in italics are still tentative, and will depend upon exactly when Goldama posts the End of Night post.)



A1 A2 A3 A4 A5 A6
B1 B2 B3 B4 B5 B6
C1 C2 C3 C4 C5 C6
D1 D2 D3 D4 D5 D6
E1 E2 E3 E4 E5 E6
F1 F2 F3 F4 F5 F6


Anyone notice a pattern? Do we think it would be silly to finish out that 2 column, in case there are more there?


Also, in case of being silenced, or something awful happening to me, I'm going to post again my equation for sussing out our new sortie schedule.

Where X = Goldama's posting of EoN

(12:34 am EST - X) ÷ 2 = New sortie time, and a return to every 6 hours
As I said earlier, I'd love to help out with this but I've just spent a half an hour trying to convert those last three spots to AEST with no success despite using two apps and an two or three websites... :fist:
by Glorfindel
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Re: Battlestar Galactica Mafia - Night Two

S~V~S wrote:Here is a link to a World Clock/Time Zone Chart, This one is fairly easy to use. Use New York for USA Eastern Time.

http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/

And Yay for another ship!
So Say We All!

Thank you so much my friend :hug: May 14 6:04 am EST = May 14 8:04 pm AEST so that works for me :D
by Glorfindel
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Re: Battlestar Galactica Mafia - Night Two

I can't remember a Mafia game with so many upset and unhappy people in it. I'm in no way diminishing the gravity or the seriousness of real life experiences that we all face but despite my new Badass persona, my heart goes out to you all :hug:
by Glorfindel
Fri May 13, 2016 11:41 pm
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Re: Battlestar Galactica Mafia - Day Three

So Say We All!

My apologies to our host - my previous post was not meant to be made post-EoD and was clearly meant to be 'off topic'.
by Glorfindel
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Re: Battlestar Galactica Mafia - Night Two

Scotty wrote:posting the updated sortie list:
indiglo wrote: >May 8, 11:47 pm EST - ika, A1
>May 9, 5:47 5:49 am EST - ika, A3
>May 9, 11:49 am EST - indiglo, A5 LC, D5
>May 9, 5:49 pm EST - Silverwolf, A5
>May 9, 11:49 pm EST - Marmot, E3
>May 10, 5:49 am EST - SVS, B2 - SUCCESS
>May 10, 11:49 am EST - juliets, C3
>May 10, 5:49 pm EST - SW, F4
>May 10, 11:49 pm EST - indiglo, F5
>May 11, 5:49 am EST - Rico, E5
>May 11, 11:49 am EST - G-Man, E1
>May 11, 5:49 pm EST - juliets, B3
>May 11, 11:49 pm 12:12am EST - Scotty, D6
---Switching to 12 hour intervals---
>May 12 - 12:12 am EST - Scotty - D6
>May 12 - 12:12 12:34 pm EST - Bea indiglo - B6
>May 13 - 12:12 12:34 am EST - Marmot - F2 - SUCCESS
>May 13 - 12:12 12:34 pm EST - G-Man - A6 -SUCCESS

May 14 - 12:04 am EST - Scotty - C5
May 14 - 6:04 am EST - ??
May 14 - 12:04 pm EST -
May 14 - 6:04 pm EST -

(the times in italics are still tentative, and will depend upon exactly when Goldama posts the End of Night post.)



A1 A2 A3 A4 A5 A6
B1 B2 B3 B4 B5 B6
C1 C2 C3 C4 C5 C6
D1 D2 D3 D4 D5 D6
E1 E2 E3 E4 E5 E6
F1 F2 F3 F4 F5 F6
Linki: YIPPEE! Updated list ^
Excuse me? I thought I'd volunteered for the 14 May 12:04 am EST slot... :mad:
by Glorfindel
Sat May 14, 2016 6:29 am
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Re: Battlestar Galactica Mafia - Day Three

Can I just confirm... Are we due another sortie about now? May 14, 12:04 am EST?
by Glorfindel
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Re: Battlestar Galactica Mafia - Day Three

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
SokothQultuq wrote:Interesting suspicions.

So far I'm somewhat convinced based on what I've seen and observed of people that I feel
Glorfindel
Long Con
Sig
JaggedJimmyJay
might fit into the baddie department based on some of the conversations that have been had. Some are more willing to help than others. Avoid certain subjects or knee jerk on some.
Could you please explain all of these reads individually? I'd like to know why you find all four of these names suspicious independent of one another, beyond the blanket sentences you've provided at the bottom here.
Yeah, I've got to agree with 3J here. I'm Town, I now believe that I was wrong about LC, I am pretty confident Sig is Town and I've not observed any reason to suspect JaggedJimmy. You, however are a different case as that last sentence is one of the most stark cases of the pot calling the kettle black I've witnessed in a very long time...
by Glorfindel
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Re: Battlestar Galactica Mafia - Day Three

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Glorfindel wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
SokothQultuq wrote:Interesting suspicions.

So far I'm somewhat convinced based on what I've seen and observed of people that I feel
Glorfindel
Long Con
Sig
JaggedJimmyJay
might fit into the baddie department based on some of the conversations that have been had. Some are more willing to help than others. Avoid certain subjects or knee jerk on some.
Could you please explain all of these reads individually? I'd like to know why you find all four of these names suspicious independent of one another, beyond the blanket sentences you've provided at the bottom here.
Yeah, I've got to agree with 3J here. I'm Town, I now believe that I was wrong about LC, I am pretty confident Sig is Town and I've not observed any reason to suspect JaggedJimmy. You, however are a different case as that last sentence is one of the most stark cases of the pot calling the kettle black I've witnessed in a very long time...
What about sig's posts do you like?
I didn't actually say that I 'liked' his posts my friend LOL! The thing is, I've played enough games with him now at this site and others to have a pretty good sense of when he's good and when he's not. He did make some comments early on that piqued my interest but they were (in my assessment) indicative of a 'disconnection' with much of the discussion that had been going on here. Sig has made no secret of the fact of his heavy study/assignment workload at the moment which I am willing to accept as a genuine explanation for those comments.
by Glorfindel
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Re: Battlestar Galactica Mafia - Day Three

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:EBWOP
Glorfindel wrote:I didn't actually say that I 'liked' his posts my friend LOL! The thing is, I've played enough games with him now at this site and others to have a pretty good sense of when he's good and when he's not. He did make some comments early on that piqued my interest but they were (in my assessment) indicative of a 'disconnection' with much of the discussion that had been going on here. Sig has made no secret of the fact of his heavy study/assignment workload at the moment which I am willing to accept as a genuine explanation for those comments.
Could you please share an example of one of sig's posts that you feel fits this description?
So Say We All!

LOL! I got you the first time my friend. Sure, no dramas... This is one example of what I meant...
sig wrote:Also @LC I don't see how I'm a cylon for not wanting to just send out the only two civ pilots to die without any thought. Which is what it seemed like was happening at first.
It just seems that he would come in after something of an extended absence and make remarks like this about issues which by that stage of the discussion (in my opinion) seem to have been done and dusted. I'm not saying his comments were wrong or anything but perhaps more pertinent had he been on earlier to make them.

I notice reading back, that there were some exchanges between the two of you - do you doubt my opinion of him? Despite those exchanges, I don't consider either of to be Mafia.
by Glorfindel
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So Say We All!

I'd also like to clarify a reference that I'd made in an earlier post. I no longer have any confidence in the assertion that species is a determining factor in Mafia/Town alignment. It is my personal view that the Mafia Team is a combination of Humans and Cyclons and the premise that the Mafia team is all Cylon (or even predominantly so) is a myth perpetuated by players with other agendas. Whether Nutella was truly Mafia, I don't know that we can be certain (although I'll admit it's a distinct possibility and would be confirmed if a BTSC link can be proven). Any reads that I make from this point forward will be in terms of whether I consider a player to be either Town or Mafia or a leaning toward either. I don't believe that species is relevant or indicative of alignment and the continued focus on species alone may be our undoing in the long run.
by Glorfindel
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Re: Battlestar Galactica Mafia - Day Three

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Glorfindel wrote:I notice reading back, that there were some exchanges between the two of you - do you doubt my opinion of him? Despite those exchanges, I don't consider either of to be Mafia.
I don't really doubt your opinion, no. At least not its sincerity. I am a little suspicious of sig for his interactions with nutella.
So Say We All!
May I call you Jimmy? 3J seems a little impersonal... Looking at his interactions with Nutella kinda proves my point. Take this post:
sig wrote:Okay so I'm considering three people for today.

LC...
Zebra...
Epi, He is an outed Cylon and with the ship gone I'd like to see if we can lynch him and how he will flip. If he flips mafia then we know most cylons are bad. I also think he could've been the one to kill Ika, seeing how Ika was pushing to lynch Epi again. So I'm leaning towards mafia on Epi.

So here is a thought, in past games civs or mafia members could create events, usually polls but I've seen events before. Could there be no resurrection ship and this is all a ploy created by the cylons?
Maybe Epi just had a lynch proof power or something?

I don't see the reasons for a nutella lynch or for Rico.
We already know Epi is a Cylon and his identity, what more information is he expecting to gain from lynching him :shrug: As for his assertion that the whole resurrection ship thing was a ploy created by the Cylons :shrug: To me, this is indicative of someone struggling to keep up as a consequence of external factors, not Mafia alignment.
by Glorfindel
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Re: Battlestar Galactica Mafia - Day Three

Long Con wrote:As the resident Confirmed Civ, I still think sig is bad. Rico, sig, JJJ... all bad.
My apologies for having voted for you last Day phase LC. Whilst I do think you are Town, I'm also fairly certain that you are wrong about Sig and Jimmy and I suspect even Ricochet. I won't be voting for you or any of them come EoD.
by Glorfindel
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Re: Battlestar Galactica Mafia - Day Three

SokothQultuq wrote:Seems a running theme that I'm bad. I realize that some of my posting was vague lately but that can be me. You'll find out as you come to know me. LOL

Postby JaggedJimmyJay » Sat May 14, 2016 9:59 pm

SokothQultuq wrote:
Interesting suspicions.

So far I'm somewhat convinced based on what I've seen and observed of people that I feel
Glorfindel
Long Con
Sig
JaggedJimmyJay
might fit into the baddie department based on some of the conversations that have been had. Some are more willing to help than others. Avoid certain subjects or knee jerk on some.


Could you please explain all of these reads individually? I'd like to know why you find all four of these names suspicious independent of one another, beyond the blanket sentences you've provided at the bottom here.

=================================================================================

Glorfindel - Actually your comment following up with my post pushes me toward believing that you could be a Baddie as your knee jerk reaction to my accusation. You failed to provide any substantial evidence to support the fact that you might be town but instead Knee Jerked with essentially "No I'm not, you are!" in this case. Call it a case of fishing to see what your reaction might be. And you reacted nicely. I thank you for that. Usually someone who is innocent of something does not immediately run in and start throwing around counter accusations.
An accusation, you say? You come in out of the blue and throw around accusations at a bunch of players with no case to back up against your accusations against any of them (because frankly there is none) and what do want us to make from that? I actually don't think you're Mafia - I can't see any Mafia Team member being that disingenuous.
by Glorfindel
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Re: Battlestar Galactica Mafia - Day Three

G-Man wrote:Finally he chastises Sokoth for finally forming some opinions because Sokoth takes aim at Glorfindel for what looks like a hasty "NO U" reaction.
Is that REALLY how you see that exchange my friend? I was chastising 'Sokoth' for precisely the opposite - I don't consider random, unsubstantiated accusations 'opinions'. I seriously doubt that anyone else here would. I AM genuinely trying to figure out this game and although I may be 'tinfoiling' for the first time I seriously think there is more to this game than the simplistic black and white view some people have adopted. Personally, I think what you've painted there is a pretty flimsy case almost rivaling the 'Two Face' accusation leveled at me in my last game here. Nonetheless, if that's the best you can do in finding a Mafia Team member, good for you.

One thing that has concerned me for some time time now is my initial exchange with IAWY. As I stated in the Sign-up thread, he was the reason I even signed up for this game. In the last game we played together, I defended him from the 'get go'. Given our history together, I find it extraordinary that he would make an accusation against me Day 1 like he did. After Dr Wilgy replaced him, gave him the benefit of the doubt and have heard practically nothing since. Then there was the exchange between IAWY and Magnus (Nerolunar). In retrospect, the whole 'No, you!' exchange doesn't really look as convincing as it did at the time. Distancing, perhaps... :shrug:
by Glorfindel
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sig wrote:Also I'm seriously considering voting for Glorfindel he only answered one portion of Gman's case and he seemed super defensive which I seem to remember is a baddie tell of his. However, I need to think on it since I have been wrong about him before.

Another thing which bothered me is him civ reading me. Civ Glorfindel always thinks I'm mafia or at the very least he is paranoid agaisnt me, he seemed to civ read me way to quickly this game. It could be an attempt to buddy me or just to get credit if I flipped.
Sig, G-Man's post was quit extensive but without a lot of content that I feel I can adequately address in the short time I have at my disposal (I am actually at work...) :shrug: I am not super defensive at all. Someone actually goes to the trouble of putting a case together against me (even though he's wrong, I appreciate his effort - seems it's beyond some players here...) and I'm asked to refute those claims. I do, and you accuse me of being super-defensive? REALLY?

Yes, I believe you're Town, There, said it. I don't see you're problem with that opinion. I'd never 'buddy you' and if you honestly believe that... :shrug: After all this time, if I don't know Town Sig by now... I don't see your problem - unless I'm wrong about you? :haha:
by Glorfindel
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Re: Battlestar Galactica Mafia - Day Three

Epignosis wrote:If Lorab is bad with BTSC, and she knew she could claim "Sanctuary!"

How does that make you feel about these persons?

Polo (10), a2thezebra (11), Vompatti (12), Ricochet (13), S~V~S (14), DFaraday (15), JaggedJimmyJay (16)
I feel fine with Zebs, and Jimmy. I think Polo, Ricochet and S-V-S are alright. Jury is still out on DFaraday and Vompatti.
by Glorfindel
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Re: Battlestar Galactica Mafia - Day Three

Epignosis wrote:
Glorfindel wrote:
Epignosis wrote:If Lorab is bad with BTSC, and she knew she could claim "Sanctuary!"

How does that make you feel about these persons?

Polo (10), a2thezebra (11), Vompatti (12), Ricochet (13), S~V~S (14), DFaraday (15), JaggedJimmyJay (16)
I feel fine with Zebs, and Jimmy. I think Polo, Ricochet and S-V-S are alright. Jury is still out on DFaraday and Vompatti.
You just named the easiest two players to lynch.
I just named the two players from the list you gave about whom I have no convictions of their innocence/guilt. I gave you an honest response to the question you asked.
by Glorfindel
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G-Man wrote:Am I crazy for still wanting to vote for Glorfindel? I mean I see the logic of voting for one of the six one-vote folk but I still think Glorfindel is bad.
Yes, I'm afraid you are G-man but if you feel that's what you need to do... :shrug:
by Glorfindel
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Re: Battlestar Galactica Mafia - Day Three

I'm happy at this point to support the vote for Magnus Nerolunar
by Glorfindel
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DrumBeats wrote:So say we all!

I prefer bea or glorfindel for the counterwagon, anyone else?

I am a cylon.

Jk jk, but I'll gladly get rid of the possibility of amnesty if I am final five.
Interesting... :shrug: Based on what precisely, my friend?
by Glorfindel
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DrumBeats wrote:Well we would need a ton of people if we wanted to counter the Nero wagon so maybe not.

Idea time! What if we pushed the Nero wagon past the Lorab wagon?

My thoughts on that is that if Lorab is human, he would be lynched regardless, if he is cyclon it would default to Nero. If we push Nero past, then we save a human Lorab if that is the case. It would make no difference if Lorab is a cylon. Only thing here is we would be uncertain in the end if Lorab is cylon or human. I'm not sure how you guys feel about it, but it's a possibility imo. We need to come up with a group consensus on that though, so nobody jumps the gun and does it anyway.

And @Glorfindel - G-man has a convincing case on you imo and I do not like Bea's interactions with nutella
If you consider that case 'convincing', it clearly doesn't take a lot to pursuade you... :shrug:
by Glorfindel
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Re: Battlestar Galactica Mafia - Night Three

If I may... I was left with little choice but to hold my vote and place it on Magnus as a simple matter of self-defense against the groundswell of players who were lining up to accuse me. I'm not saying that I wouldn't have still voted for him had circumstances been different but I was leaning more towards Dr Wilgy as I'd said.
by Glorfindel
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Re: Battlestar Galactica Mafia - Day Four

So Say We All!

OK, I confess - I am completely lost in this game. It seems to me that some of you are changing your points of you like you likely change your underwear. I've said before and maintain still that the presumption that all our Cylon friends are Mafia is a mirage. The laws that have been passed have been (in my mind) contradictory and the references to the 'final five' is something I am still trying to fathom. Have I become some kind of 'tinfoiling nutcase'? Perhaps.

I remain convinced that Zebs, Epi, Sig, 3J, OA, Ricochet and Silver Wolf are fellow Town. I'm think (but am not certain) that Polo, Matt and G-Man are as well. I have no confidence on Dr Wilgy at all and anyone else is a null read as far as I'm concerned.

My confusion here is real and in this current state I genuinely fear that I am of no use to you, my fellow team mates and may actually be contributing to the cause of our Mafia opponents. I'm taking a short break for the next day or so and try to clear my head. I know some of you will inevitably jump to all sorts of conclusions that I am acting out of all sorts of malicious intent and if that's your judgement, so be it. I hope to be back with you all again soon, I'm sorry.
by Glorfindel
Wed May 18, 2016 8:34 am
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Re: Battlestar Galactica Mafia - Day Four

Well, for having a day away from this game, I must say I feel much better if not any less perplexed. I can't believe what I'm reading here... Win conditions that seem to change on a whim? All this time I've been working under the assumption that I'm Town but that too, may potentially change throughout the course of this game? REALLY? I honestly don't know what to make of this...

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I think I read somewhere a criticism of my voting record so far this game? I think I explained quite satisfactorily the reasons I made the choices I have. I find it hard to believe that anyone who has ever played with me anywhere would doubt for a second that I would use my vote to defend someone I believed to be a fellow Townie and I regret that I was wrong about Magnus (Nerolunar) or was I??? I still believe there was something going on between him and IAWY/Wilgey and that one of them was suspicious.

In the interests of my own sanity, I'm going to leave things here for the time being. I'll be back tomorrow before the vote after I've finished catching up and our Forum at work in the morning.
by Glorfindel
Wed May 18, 2016 9:05 am
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Re: Battlestar Galactica Mafia - Day Four

Allow me to clarify:
The Day phase before last we had that Cylon indemnity law thing and then at the beginning of this Day phase we have Admiral Caine's martial law edict that as far as I could understand appeared to contradict the previous law in its intent. I also thought I read someone remark about how some characters in the TV Series ended up as Cylons despite believing they were human (actually I recall the remark was made in reference to Magnus' (Nerolunar's) character from the TV Series). If that's what we're to expect here in this game, I don't know where that leaves us. I've never played a Mafia game before where I have been left grasping for a point of reference in the void of uncertainty that is the stuff of these games. Like I said previously, I don't accept this is (even remotely about Humans vs Cylons). I know there are some people playing that believe it is that simple and whilst I may becoming a conspiracy theorist/tinfoiling nutcase) I don't... Yet...

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