The Syndicate

So Say We All

I'm here now! Sorry to miss the first few messages.

juliets wrote:yeah polo i've been trying to fit every word i could think of that had to do with finding the tracker. No go. Could he really be writing backwards as nutella suggested?

Yes, that was my first thought when I started reading through them. Especially with capital letters in the middle of the phrase and not starting with a capital. Also, it's been said now, but the posts literally say that they are cyphers, so...

ika wrote:well i have no clue without vowels now....

Then why did you suggest T?

Golden wrote:With C

T~ ~~~ a~~’r audrc~~ rhu ~n~~~tf Focctuc t~~uatorun~ ~~~ itnn d~~~uc.

Good luck guys. I do believe you have a chance.

The T in the first word was not capitalized earlier--was that (or this) intentional or an error?

ObscureAllure wrote:For the record, these are the letters we deciphered.

A D
B
C R
D S
E
F C
G
H H
I W
J
K
L
M
N L
O A
P
Q
R T
S
T I
U E
V
W
X
Y
Z

We should go back and see if the same cypher works in the other messages.

linkitis: @Polo: Sorry. Every time I started to figure something out, it was no longer relevant by the time I went back to the thread. Also, I suck at these. Also, just got home from work and had other things online to check after a 12 hour work day. But, if that makes me suspish, then I can't really stop you from suspecting me.

ika wrote:@golden, i put my vote on you only for viewing purpous. i will be doing that every phase untill i vote proper is that ok?

I think Golden explained that.

Golden wrote: The vote in the thread is the one that counts for game purposes.

The vote in the poll is merely so that everyone has a good visual aid to understand where the votes have gone.

It is against the rules to deliberately mislead by casting the two differently or at different times. Since it is clear you had no intent to mislead, I'll overlook it in this case. But everyone should be very careful not to vote in the poll until they know where their vote is going. I reserve the right to hold people to their poll vote in the thread.

ika wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:

ika wrote:@golden, i put my vote on you only for viewing purpous. i will be doing that every phase untill i vote proper is that ok?

ika, you can hit view results to see the poll results without doing any voting-Just an FYI.

i know but its a pin to contstantly click it over and over when i wan tto view it

That would negate the purpose of being able to have a good visual aid to understand where the votes have gone, I'd think.

And it's more of a pain to have to go through every players posts in order to see where their vote is. The poll has a purpose. Why don't you want to vote in the poll? I can't help but wonder if it's to hide your votes in the thread throughout the game...

I can only hope that some of the puzzles/events don't involve tilde solving...neither my favorite nor what I'm good at.

Silverwolf wrote:Someone asked what FoS means:

FoS=Finger of Suspicion

A term (abbreviated FoS) used to formally indicate "you're being watched." It can be an implicit way of saying "I might vote for you"; typically in cases where the person doing the fingering does not want to actually vote the suspicious player.

FoS is used as a game mechanic; however, they can still be an important part of games when used as pseudovotes.

pseudovotes-In instances where a game mechanic makes voting risky or useless, pseudovotes are used instead. These are simply unofficial votes that are not counted by the moderator, but kept up with by the players themselves.

I'm probably gonna use this this game until I'm ready to vote for real.

Also, I'm gonna be pretty busy today so not sure how much I will be able to post. Just a heads up.

I think SVS was just asking what it stood for (I had the same thought process as SVS as this one, actually). I don't want to assume her thoughts, but I know I was also trying to remember what it stood for when she asked the question.

So, within this mafia culture, it's basically saying you're suspish of someone or they are pinging your suspiciometer...which is how I think we all were understanding it (at least I was).

Long Con wrote:

LoRab wrote:I can only hope that some of the puzzles/events don't involve tilde solving...neither my favorite nor what I'm good at.

Silverwolf wrote:Someone asked what FoS means:

FoS=Finger of Suspicion

A term (abbreviated FoS) used to formally indicate "you're being watched." It can be an implicit way of saying "I might vote for you"; typically in cases where the person doing the fingering does not want to actually vote the suspicious player.

FoS is used as a game mechanic; however, they can still be an important part of games when used as pseudovotes.

pseudovotes-In instances where a game mechanic makes voting risky or useless, pseudovotes are used instead. These are simply unofficial votes that are not counted by the moderator, but kept up with by the players themselves.

I'm probably gonna use this this game until I'm ready to vote for real.

Also, I'm gonna be pretty busy today so not sure how much I will be able to post. Just a heads up.

I think SVS was just asking what it stood for (I had the same thought process as SVS as this one, actually). I don't want to assume her thoughts, but I know I was also trying to remember what it stood for when she asked the question.

So, within this mafia culture, it's basically saying you're suspish of someone or they are pinging your suspiciometer...which is how I think we all were understanding it (at least I was).

Do you say suspiciometer like "Suspishy O'Meter", or do you emphasize the 'O' like in speedometer?

The first. And it now has a leprechaun hat on it. How do you say it? Have you been wondering this for 8 years and only now are asking?

And how do other people say it?

ika wrote:

Long Con wrote:

ika wrote:rico is leaning scum right now
better town read on silver
vompii might be town?

im here for talk if people like

as for the argument about sig making the question is kinda getting moot at this point, as cylon he has little to no porupous asking it publicly,

The purpose would be to make thinkers like you believe he isn't a Cylon. If I'm going to read sig as anything for having the question, it is Civ, because I also had the same question in my mind.

Yes but you have to be consciously thinking to ask the question. if your cylon its not going to pop in your head at first sight

And you know how the culinary would think because...

But seriously, what about bero's posts about why it is more likely a cylon asking. I think it was Nero at least. Apologies if I am misremembering who said it.

ika wrote:

LoRab wrote:

ika wrote:

Long Con wrote:

ika wrote:rico is leaning scum right now
better town read on silver
vompii might be town?

im here for talk if people like

as for the argument about sig making the question is kinda getting moot at this point, as cylon he has little to no porupous asking it publicly,

The purpose would be to make thinkers like you believe he isn't a Cylon. If I'm going to read sig as anything for having the question, it is Civ, because I also had the same question in my mind.

Yes but you have to be consciously thinking to ask the question. if your cylon its not going to pop in your head at first sight

And you know how the culinary would think because...

But seriously, what about bero's posts about why it is more likely a cylon asking. I think it was Nero at least. Apologies if I am misremembering who said it.

what?

Cylons. Not culinary. Damn autocorrect.

Long Con wrote:

LoRab wrote:

ika wrote:

Long Con wrote:

ika wrote:rico is leaning scum right now
better town read on silver
vompii might be town?

im here for talk if people like

as for the argument about sig making the question is kinda getting moot at this point, as cylon he has little to no porupous asking it publicly,

The purpose would be to make thinkers like you believe he isn't a Cylon. If I'm going to read sig as anything for having the question, it is Civ, because I also had the same question in my mind.

Yes but you have to be consciously thinking to ask the question. if your cylon its not going to pop in your head at first sight

And you know how the culinary would think because...

But seriously, what about bero's posts about why it is more likely a cylon asking. I think it was Nero at least. Apologies if I am misremembering who said it.

Townread Lorab because a Cylon would know they are not called Culinarys. And wasn't it sig?

Maybe sig? I should go back and check.

Ricochet wrote:How does an autocorrect go from Cylons to Culinary when Nylon is right around the corner?

I realize you weren't actually asking, but a big part of the autocorrect matrix is based on key placement and n isn't really near c.

ika wrote:it was sig who said it...

you should get your people straight first.

but its seems to be clear that its cylons vs town witch truns into scum vs twon so all i need to do is basicly replace cylon with scum and you got your own answer

Sorry about that. It must be really nice to have never confused players before or misremembered something.

My point was that there isn't such thing as one way baddies do things. That you might not have ugly of something doesn't mean that wouldn't have been someone else's initial instinct. To assume that there is one way to think is dangerous.

And in particular, not knowing how the cylon sate organized, or even if they have BTSC, or even what their win conditions are (or anyone's win cons for that matter), I'm not sure how you could speculate that a cylon wouldn't think of something.

Linkitis: vegetarians and pescitariand rule!

ika wrote:

LoRab wrote:

ika wrote:it was sig who said it...

you should get your people straight first.

but its seems to be clear that its cylons vs town witch truns into scum vs twon so all i need to do is basicly replace cylon with scum and you got your own answer

Sorry about that. It must be really nice to have never confused players before or misremembered something.

My point was that there isn't such thing as one way baddies do things. That you might not have ugly of something doesn't mean that wouldn't have been someone else's initial instinct. To assume that there is one way to think is dangerous.

And in particular, not knowing how the cylon sate organized, or even if they have BTSC, or even what their win conditions are (or anyone's win cons for that matter), I'm not sure how you could speculate that a cylon wouldn't think of something.

Linkitis: vegetarians and pescitariand rule!

did i ever say there was? im speakign in an objective view and that an objective viewpoint for scum is not going to see that right away.

i dont think its much of a stretch to think that the wincons are cylons vs everyone else, based on the lore silver gave about piolot episode it sounds like they are primary foes.

what do you think it is?

I don't know what it is. But if it were a simple us v them, then I can't understand why host would make it that the win conditions are unknown. I think it necessarily has to be more complex.

ika wrote:

Ricochet wrote:
It was no omission, it started the discussion well interested in this aspect, of the two you stated.

I have insinuated no such thing. To be incredulous to a player can't simply "do action X", when "not doing action X" is supposed to make the player suspicious, is not the same thing as saying I know "better" what actions that player would do.

I don't know how to play mafia subconsciously. Sounds esoteric.

well you should knwo that i use her reads a lot more on tryign to read her as well as sevral toher thing i have not divulged due to her not wanting it outed

you don thave to belive me one bit i know her and you saying such things is partal insuitaing that you knwo her better.

everyone does it, its the part of you that follows a wincon and makes you do actions aligned to your alignemtn. no matter what people say about meta, people have a unconscious way of playing knowing or not

So, you're saying that wolf could never change things up to consciously fool you. That seems quite insulting towards her (which I'm sure you don't intend). I don't know any couple that has ever not been wrong about each other. Yes, couples tend to read each other better. Even non-couples sometimes have a way with reading each other. But such concepts are also fallible.

I hope you realize that for your own readings and I know I will never fully believe your read just because you say so.

ika wrote:

LoRab wrote:
I don't know what it is. But if it were a simple us v them, then I can't understand why host would make it that the win conditions are unknown. I think it necessarily has to be more complex.

are you saying you dont have a wincon?

So, you're saying that wolf could never change things up to consciously fool you. That seems quite insulting towards her (which I'm sure you don't intend). I don't know any couple that has ever not been wrong about each other. Yes, couples tend to read each other better. Even non-couples sometimes have a way with reading each other. But such concepts are also fallible.

I hope you realize that for your own readings and I know I will never fully believe your read just because you say so.

I know she can change a few thigns here and there but she would never be able to fool me, i have said this in nearly every game now but we share empathy so we cant fake our reads/style/interaciton with each other without the other catching on. and actualy the fact she doesnt change it is a high compliment to her, i have yet to play a game where i have gotten her lynched when she was scum, as i have already said, the game where i was trying to get her lynched she got more town read based on it. she then killed me that night and cross killed by the ohter scum team cus they were town reading her so hard.

her meta is something i activly fear becasue she can win out over me. not in trying to convince me she is town but on me trying to convince ohters to lycnh her.

and i know most people wont belive me jsut shouting it so...... ya....

i mean you admited yoruself we have yet to fail reading so i will continue to do it. most times she ends up saving me thoguth :P

No. I'm just saying that the host posts clearly state that the win cons aren't posted. It does not make sense to post that if there are simple win-cons and teams. That wouldn't make sense.

So, either you are insulting her for her inability to change up her play or you are insulting all other couples playing this game because your relationship is that much deeper. Either way, I don't buy it. I buy that you believe it, but I don't think that it's impossible for either of you to fool the other. I just don't. And I haven't played with either of you enough to even begin to trust your read of each other.

And those that I do trust their read of each other with--I also know that sometimes they are wrong. Even the couples that are empathetic towards each other and have been married for years.

You are welcome to have your thoughts about Wolf, whether or not they are niavely based. But just know that not everyone is going to jump onto believing you just because.

Also, it's always possible for you to be bad together...so...yeah.

indiglo wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

DrumBeats wrote:

sig wrote:@HOST Will the final five know if they are cylons after the game starts. Or will it be revealed to them later?

Well Fine no helping solve the puzzle.


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Looking back, minor townread on Sig right now for that question to the host. Final five mechanics, from what I understand of them, is something that makes a town player unknowingly scum. I do not feel like Sig would ask this if it did not apply to Sig, so I currently believe that Sig is either one of the final five, or a town player.

Wait, I revisited this post and I'm confused a bit by it, especially the underlined part. Why couldn't Sig be a Cylon (original) asking about the Final Five?

I think that's a definite possibility. I posted earlier about the 3 options I came up with that would allow a civ/townie to ask such a question. Now it's possible he is a civ/townie that isn't exempt from Cylonism, but to me it still seems like an odd question. Because he would have been told in his role pm that he was a human and secret Cylon. Or he would have been told he was a human, with no mention of being a secret Cylon. Either way, he would already know the answer to his question if he were a Human/civ/townie, simply by reading his role pm.

To me, asking that question makes more sense coming from a Cylon. But I am also aware everyone thinks differently. I am surprised this hasn't received more attention than it has, unless no one else reads it as odd. But I would still like more input from others, even if they don't think it's odd.



JJJ (can't I just call you P50 still?) - you do you, bro. Unless you really want to alter your play style. I understand your hesitancy to proclaim town reads this game, since those townies may be susceptible to being revealed as Cylons later (and possible town enemies). But still, you'll have those reads in your head at least, and will have to be aware enough to watch for changes in behavior from those town reads... so we may as well all watch for them together. Ya dig? I say play how you want to.

And how about that. Those of you that said Sig were wrong, too. The viewpoint I was referring to was from Indi. Sorry for confusing you with Nero, Indi.

ika wrote:

LoRab wrote:
No. I'm just saying that the host posts clearly state that the win cons aren't posted. It does not make sense to post that if there are simple win-cons and teams. That wouldn't make sense.

actualy it would, for someone who was askign me why i think stuff, you seem to be narrow minded on that

So, either you are insulting her for her inability to change up her play or you are insulting all other couples playing this game because your relationship is that much deeper.

Or neither? i already said her inabilty to change it isnt ment to be an insult and thefact you are twisting it to me like that is insulint in itself. as i have said i fear her scum game

Either way, I don't buy it. I buy that you believe it, but I don't think that it's impossible for either of you to fool the other. I just don't. And I haven't played with either of you enough to even begin to trust your read of each other.

wasnt trying to convince you to begin with? i mean i get you wont buy it and i already said that. i think your misunderstanding what im saying by how deep our bond is. we live in 2 seprate state but we never fail to knwo each others emotuonsal distress. i mean i can be doing nothing and out of nowhere i just know somethings worng with silver and she does the same. i dont think everyone can do that. when i rolled scum against her, she knew very qucikly as you have seen if you check the games. when she rolled scum against me i could jsut sense something was off with her. its something i cant explain at all i jsut know shes scum. so if you want to argue that every couple has this and im insulting that plz go right ahead and show me how they all have such thing

And those that I do trust their read of each other with--I also know that sometimes they are wrong. Even the couples that are empathetic towards each other and have been married for years.

it will be a cold day in hell when that happens to one of us. the only timeit might ever happen is if we were both scums on opposing teams. if you knwo coulples that have the empathy im decribing i would like to hear it as well

You are welcome to have your thoughts about Wolf, whether or not they are niavely based. But just know that not everyone is going to jump onto believing you just because.

i know that? did i ever once say everyone should listen to me?

Also, it's always possible for you to be bad together...so...yeah.


im waiting for that game to happen, we would be very diffrent.

1. Then please explain why a host would make win conditions unknown in a game that was a simple, typically structured game.

2. OK, maybe that works for you. If someone told me I was incapable of change, it would be very insulting to me. I guess I'm just putting my own lens on what you said. But, really, I would not accept someone who told me I couldn't convincingly play a game of strategy with them.

3. I'm not going to speak for the connections that other people have and what words they use to define and describe their connection. I don't buy that your connection is any deeper or qualitatively different in terms of ability to read each others' games.

ika wrote:

LoRab wrote:
1. Then please explain why a host would make win conditions unknown in a game that was a simple, typically structured game.

WIFOM, if you knew my hosting i would do something like this, not only thta i have seen tons of closed games that look super complex but are really jsut mafia vs town on the base. techancly speaking all game son the surface are mafia vs town.

2. OK, maybe that works for you. If someone told me I was incapable of change, it would be very insulting to me. I guess I'm just putting my own lens on what you said. But, really, I would not accept someone who told me I couldn't convincingly play a game of strategy with them.

more power to you. silver knows that what i say is praise to her. shes out atm but i know when she catches up she will clarify a lot of what is under your lens vs what we see

3. I'm not going to speak for the connections that other people have and what words they use to define and describe their connection. I don't buy that your connection is any deeper or qualitatively different in terms of ability to read each others' games.

again, where did i say you ahve to?

lorab why do you keep acting like im trying to convince you right now? i have yet to even say that towards anyone so where is this coming from?

Why are you posting your opinions if you aren't, on a certain level, trying to convince others to agree with you?

I'm simply expressing disagreement, or at least lack of trust.

Also, I appreciate your belief. that said, I want to know what will happen when you read her wrong. Because it's inevitable. Maybe I'm just a cynic.

Place holding post. Just back from a full morning at work and then mothers day-ing. I had a worried moment in my drive back home that I was going to miss the vote--glad it's much later!

Vote: inawordyes

I hate to do it because new player, but I don't want to miss the vote, and he has only one vote, and he's the lowest poster Gah! Trying to catch up, still.

So say we all.

Just caught up. Have been on once or twice over the past RL day with quicker catch ups. The tone of some of the posts in the thread has been unpleasant and makes me really not want to post.

Enough with the pretending to know the game better than anyone else.

Enough with the personal insults.

Enough with the repeating the same thing again and again and again and again and again and again.

Enough with the pretending to be the smartest person in the room.

Enough with saying that anyone who disagrees with an opinion is trying to discredit a player.

Just enough.

Ricochet wrote:Also, I am officially done ever using the word scum in mafia games here and shall revert back to our traditional, cute "baddies" term. It was kinda fun and contagious to adopt scum back when a lot of new players arrived from other forums (think it was around the time of Biblical Mafia?) and were using that instead for baddies, but right now it's contagiousness has turned of the pestilential kind, so no point considering it fun to use anymore.

I fully agree with you here. I have never liked the term "scum" and have never really used it. I also think baddies is more accurate.

Silverwolf wrote:
Somebody tell me how in the hell I scumhunt if we are going to assume anyone is town or scum? WTF am I supposed to do in this game then?

For starters, stop shutting down the opinions of those who are used to complicated set ups. Those of us that have been playing here and on Syndicate's Cousin Sites are used to set ups in which good and bad isn't all that clear cut. This is just another variation on our normal.

To be plain, I would be absolutely shocked and disappointed if this were a simple game of civ v mafia. That simply wouldn't make sense given the description, the roles, and the general expectation of this site (with a game like this with no win conditions listed--there are certainly civ v mafia games, but they are described as such).

It's a different skill set, to be sure, to find baddies in such a game. Perhaps it could be useful if this is entirely unfamiliar to listen to those for whom this is not unfamiliar territory.

Silverwolf wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

LoRab wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:
Somebody tell me how in the hell I scumhunt if we are going to assume anyone is town or scum? WTF am I supposed to do in this game then?

For starters, stop shutting down the opinions of those who are used to complicated set ups. Those of us that have been playing here and on Syndicate's Cousin Sites are used to set ups in which good and bad isn't all that clear cut. This is just another variation on our normal.

To be plain, I would be absolutely shocked and disappointed if this were a simple game of civ v mafia. That simply wouldn't make sense given the description, the roles, and the general expectation of this site (with a game like this with no win conditions listed--there are certainly civ v mafia games, but they are described as such).

It's a different skill set, to be sure, to find baddies in such a game. Perhaps it could be useful if this is entirely unfamiliar to listen to those for whom this is not unfamiliar territory.

Well put, Lorab.

I asked for how we scumhunt in this setup. Not a lecture on shutting up and listening to those who play on the Syndicate longer than I have.

God you people are rude as hell to those that haven't been here as long as you and it shows in almost every single game.

If you preceived me as rude, then I truly apologize. That was not my intent. I don't like when people feel bad and it is never my intention. So, if I came off as anything other than welcoming, I apologize.

That said, I was trying to be helpful. You asked a question. In noticing that many people have posited theories that include the negation of a simple good/bad game, and that you had completely torn down many of those posts, I commented that it might be helpful to read them and take notes from them.

I did not lecture you. I was not intentionally rude. I did not tell you to shut up. I was answering your question that you posed to the thread.

And it's not about playing here longer--it's about being used to set ups in which there are many areas of grey and having experience playing in games where simple mafia/civ games are a rarity. If I were to play on MS (which is not likely--the game played there is worlds different from what we play here and when I explored that site it did not look like a fun game at all, for me, personally), I would pay attention to the posts, ideas, and strategies of the players that were regulars there. Learning about a culture is a big piece of learning how to play any sort of game in any sort of realm.

And I haven't actually been on this site all that long. And certainly have my disagreements with many of those who have been playing here longer. I was trying to be helpful.

So say we all

Ripiywg ika.

DrumBeats wrote:So Say We All!

So wait, we do not get to know the identity of those killed? That's going to be a pain moving forward.

Usually on here we do not learn the identity of nks.

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Silverwolf wrote:

ika was civilian, I know I saw a post where Matt said IF you are good, and it made me cringe. He was obviously human civilian. I would never be happy for a town ika NK but I actually am now. The thought of him being mislynched today after he being so obviously civ would of stressed me out to no end.

Side rant-I don't know how to play this game. I'm used to Mafia. That means an informed minority with the same wincon. And uninformed majority with the same wincon. And of course there's always the possibility of an independent person with their own agenda and/or a second uninformed majoirty in the game. I'm used to using voting analysis and flips-seeing how people flip to play. LoRab's post that I need to listen to others that have played her longer doesn't sit well with me in a game where there are clearly multiple agendas and wincons and I sure as hell don't trust most of the people.

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So that is one area I'm willing to listen to from others on not all cylons are bad but it seriously fucks with my ability to scumhunt. I also believe if ika was town/civ, then Cylons should be scum/mafia/bad because he clearly had an agenda to see them destroyed. I really don't like that multiple wincons that clearly are going on here. Add that in with the game being dependent on show lore and the flipless NK's and I'm lost.

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Also, regarding Mafia BTSC. I can only assume they have it because how else do they coordinate a kill? But that doesn't rule out the fact that some cylons can be bad and not be a part of it. In this game, I'm not ruling out anything and I'm not ruling out changing wincons and alignments as well. I really don't think humans are bad despite the glee that Rico said he would feel if one was to blow ika and myself's theory out the window.

That's about it for me right now. I noticed the poll wording changed. I'm gonna assume that is the host trying to neutralize using the wording of it to declare baddies but I still think voting for Who is a Cylon is significant, even though it was kind of laughed off when ika brought it up earlier. We only vote off baddies this game. If not all cylcons are bad, I still think all baddies are cylon.

First, rip if you were good (or ripiywg) is the standard night kill statement on here. I wouldn't read too much into people saying that.

And I'm sorry you didn't like my post. But in that very same paragraph you say you don't know how to play the game as we play it here. Of course you shouldn't trust anyone, but that doesn't mean that you can't listen to what they are saying. Like with the idea of accepting that some cylons could be civ. Which you now say you can accept. That was really my openly point. That all the aspects that you are having trouble with and not liking are exactly the game of mafia that many of us have been playing for years.

I assume mafia has BTSC, or at least partial BTSC (some members don't have it or don't have it yet). I also assume recruitment is a possibility. And I'm not personally ruling out that there could be more than one mafia. I don't know the show, but can someone who does comment on if would it make sense for there to be an evil faction of humans? Could that be the final 5? Or would it make sense for there to be 2 cylon mafia groupings?

And poll titles on lynches are usually fairly meaningless.

Ricochet wrote:

LoRab wrote:I assume mafia has BTSC, or at least partial BTSC (some members don't have it or don't have it yet). I also assume recruitment is a possibility. And I'm not personally ruling out that there could be more than one mafia. I don't know the show, but can someone who does comment on if would it make sense for there to be an evil faction of humans? Could that be the final 5? Or would it make sense for there to be 2 cylon mafia groupings?

I don't know if a two-team mafia is possible in this game, based on show context, but I'm leaning on doubting that. The Final Five in the show split into four cylons that continued to help the human race and 1 Cylon that embraced being a Cylon against humans. That's hardly probable material for a second mafia team, to bloom out of nowhere, at least imo.

Thanks!

Silverwolf wrote:LoRab-it isn't that I didn't like your post. I thought it was a very nice reachout. I just can't trust everyone here has the agenda to help me figure out how to play the game better. Also, the very definition of Mafia is uninformed majority vs informed minority with the possibility of multiball-more than one scumteam or an independent killer like a SK or 3rd party role with a different wincon or even a traitor-has a wincon with scum but they don't know who this person is and they don't share BTSC. But the bottom line is, it is extremely difficult for me to play a game where the very definition of Mafia is not in place. I will do my best but it will include traditional scumhunting.

linki-Here ya go Rico, I left the whole post in tact:

Ricochet wrote:If Epig is just "scum" (which I have doubts to be the case, based on lore and nothing concretely revealed), then he doesn't need to die.

He needs to die if he's mafia/bad [which ika and Silverwolf have basically never said that he is (lol, I know)].

Are you mafia/bad, Epig?

Gotcha. Thanks for the clarification.

And (back to semantics), we are working from different definitions of the game. I think it was LC who came up with the tag line for The Piano of "creative mafia gaming." I am fully confident that you'll develop your process of how to play different versions of the game.

Glorfindel wrote:

Matt wrote:For those of you who don't believe there can be a mafia consisting solely of humans...

I can. Don't know who the other members would be, but I can see Zarek and Felix headlining a human Mafia group, for sure.

If we're strictly following lore from the show, I'm rethinking my stance on a cylon/mafia mix team. Why? Because Number One, John, hates all humans, all of 'em.

Rico, Long Con, indiglo - Theories on other humans who could possibly be on a Zarek/Felix mafia?

indiglo - If I've missed it, sorry, but can you give a short list of susses and/or players you're feeling good about?

Linki - Yeah LC, I agree. I know I was the lone voice against your idea, but once you pointed out that the saved person wouldn't be announced, then I thought "well then why wouldn't Dee do that then?"

AND even if ika was human, that does not clear him from being mafia IMO. There are 29 players in this game, well enough for two separate mafia teams.

So Say We All!

As much as I'm struggling with this game, I am enjoying very much the challenging theories you are proposing. I'm not fully caught up yet but in relation to your comments above, from my reading of things Gaius Baltar (Human) fills the detective role in this game and can determine whether any given player is either Human or Cylon. The detective role is from my experience, exclusively a Town role. Apart from the possibility of a Human traitor, surely that suggests that the bulk of the Mafia team is indeed Cylon (not necessarily all of the Cylons either as I believe the situation with Epi evidences). Is it unreasonable to make this assumption? Otherwise, surely the detective role would be nothing but a farce

I've seen role checkers who were both civ and bad. Also, that role could be less of a role checker, or even alignment checker, and more of a species checker, so to speak (I can't think of the right terminology). I'm thinking of when Illy and I hosted an Angel game--I'm pretty sure we had a role that could check if someone was vamp, human, or demon--or it was in a different Buffyverse game that I played and sorry to Long Rock for conflating games if that's the case. But, point being, that you couldn't tell if someone was necessarily bad, just because they were a vampire, for instance (Angel being good for most of the game, and Spike was a civ). So, it could be a cylon detector, but you can't tell if they're a good cylon or an evil cylon.

Also, I feel like crap today, and yet am at work for another several hours. So I'll be on sporadically during our board meeting (spoiler alert: clergy don't always pay attention during the entirety of board of trustees meetings...and sometimes we multi-task..don't tell anyone...). And my posts will be through a haze of possible fever and general ick-feeling.

indiglo wrote:Hey, Drums, you triggered another secret event! A Spoiler Tag / Quote malfunction! Hooray!

I did that before. I found it quite disconcerting. Someone will be along to clean it up shortly, I imagine.

OK, sorry for a moment of nostalgia, but this totally made me remember a game from a thousand years ago where every five minutes, the host popped up with, "A secret event has been triggered." I think it was on The Piano, not LP--really early days. ZOMG Zombies, maybe? Or possibly Computer Lab? Or some other game from around that time that I just can't come up with. Does anyone remember? Because this is bothering me now.

ObscureAllure wrote: I think Lorab and Nutella have BTSC although that in itself doesn't make them bad if they do, always possible to have townie BTSC.

I do not have BTSC with Nutella, or anyone else for that matter. And I am not mafia (which you say in a later post, but I only quoted this one). I have no idea about LA. I find her hard to read and I know she's graduating this week, so I know her schedule is off in terms of mafia time and her brain is probably in a lot of places right now. I think her commnents to/about Ika are consistent with the way she posts about players, regardless of alliance. I don't know where I stand with her.

Silverwolf wrote:What you two are missing is Epi's attitude towards me since I started playing on this site.

A lot of us had trouble understanding Epi's attitude and felt that he was against us. I've come to accept that he isn't really against anyone in particular--he just has his ideas about the best way to play the game. He's really not trying to be mean. He does come off as more gruff than I think he intends sometimes--I also think it's part of his strategy. I definitely don't think he's trying to run you off the site nor do I think he was suggesting that you not play.

G-Man wrote:

nutella wrote:

LoRab wrote:

indiglo wrote:Hey, Drums, you triggered another secret event! A Spoiler Tag / Quote malfunction! Hooray!

I did that before. I found it quite disconcerting. Someone will be along to clean it up shortly, I imagine.

OK, sorry for a moment of nostalgia, but this totally made me remember a game from a thousand years ago where every five minutes, the host popped up with, "A secret event has been triggered." I think it was on The Piano, not LP--really early days. ZOMG Zombies, maybe? Or possibly Computer Lab? Or some other game from around that time that I just can't come up with. Does anyone remember? Because this is bothering me now.

I think it was dan's zombie game (which IIRC was the first game on the piano) but I'm not positive.

Speaking of nostalgia I have to say I giggled when Silver said LC's posts were "fluffy."

No, Zombies was the third game:


That was my first game on The Piano but you guys had played two before that. Maybe Lost and Buffy? Or was At the Hellmouth an LP game? I played ZOMG Zombies and I don't recall it having secret events. I did not play Computer Lab. I was thinking maybe Matrix Mafia or, if SD is correct about it being a Scocub game, perhaps Mafia 2099- that was a futuristic sci-fi based game with a lot of weird stuff in it.

Am I a dork for having saved that banner link for all these years?

MovingPictures07 wrote:I think it was Computer Lab, the game where S~V~S was an outed baddie and we left her alive, oh and my IRC teammates blindfaeth and LittleTiger both were recruited to the Botnet and betrayed me?

Yeah, that game. Because I remember stlgirl saying there were secret events pretty often.

Ah, memories. So, either Computer Lab or Mystery, I think. Matrix was hosted by Blacx, not sco. And I loved 2099--one of my favorite roles and games of all time!

Other things: I could see LC being bad. His stubbornness about Epig being bad doesn't sit right with me. Others who watch the show have posted that Epig would make more sense, story wise, as civ aligned. LC obviously knows the show. That he won't entertain that possibility just doesn't feel right. He's smarter than that and has more complicated game experience to realize that it could, quite easily, be not that simple. His jokey jumping in on the sortie out of turn felt like LC poking the dragon to see how far he can go with someone--which feels more like bad LC than good LC.

Rico has been brought up a few times--he doesn't seem bad to me. His back and forth with Ika reminded me of a back and forth he and I had in recruitment, which (IIRC) was civ on civ--or at least unrecruited on unrecruited (I remained unrecruited, and I can't remember if this interaction was before or after he was recruited). Anyway, it doesn't make him read bad to me.

@OA: I assure you, it is coincidence. My posts are based entirely on when I am able to get online and play.

indiglo wrote:Ok, popping off for a bit. I'll be back.


May 11, 5:49 pm EST - juliets
May 11, 11:49 pm EST - Scotty
May 12, 5:49 am EST - SVS
May 12, 11:49 am EST - G-Man
May 12, 5:49 pm EST - juliets
May 12, 11:49 pm EST - Bea
May 13, 5:49 am EST - SVS
May 13, 11:49 am EST -
May 13, 5:49 pm EST -
May 13, 11:49 pm EST -


A1 A2 A3 A4 A5 A6
B1 B2 B3 B4 B5 B6
C1 C2 C3 C4 C5 C6
D1 D2 D3 D4 D5 D6
E1 E2 E3 E4 E5 E6
F1 F2 F3 F4 F5 F6


Linki - Ok, bea, how about May 12, 11:49 pm? (And yes, your time calculation is accurate!) I'll tentatively add you to that slot.

Linki - Matt, Logic, FTW!

Linki - ok, got you too juliets!

I was going to say I could do 5:49 tomorrow, because I realized that I could, but I see it's already taken. I feel bad that I haven't been able to volunteer, but tomorrow is my day off, and I am free at that time. Anyway, Juliets, I'm happy to take it off your hands if you want. None of the other times work on my schedule.

I went ahead and

voted Long Con

Sorry, dude, but your posts are just reading more bad to me than good. It's more gut than anything.

And I'm under the weather and really tired, and don't trust that I won't fall asleep at the computer, so wanted to vote now rather than forget or sleep through it.

LA's latest posts are not feeling so good to me. She is starting to feel cornered baddie.

S~V~S wrote:

LoRab wrote:LA's latest posts are not feeling so good to me. She is starting to feel cornered baddie.

She is putting me in mind of her game in Recruitment. That same "Anyone but me" thing.

@Golden, I will not quote it again, sorry

I agree. She is starting to read bad for me. I already voted, but I am not opposed to the thought of her lynch.

juliets wrote:Lorab you can certainly take my place tomorrow for the sortie. I have gotten to do several of them and I know your schedule is so tight it's hard to fit them in. So just let me know.

I'm happy to do it. I'll set an alarm on my phone right now to remind me, lol.

Black Rock wrote:

LoRab wrote:LA's latest posts are not feeling so good to me. She is starting to feel cornered baddie.

Interesting LoRab. I see you jumped a vote on LC and have stuck around to throw out this opinion. Is this to cover your ass if LA flips something bad or murdering like? (I'm sorry, I'm not getting the whole concept yet)

Just something to watch. Just know I am.

I've been starting to doze off in front of the computer for an hour or so, and didn't want to miss the vote. I'm not confident in my vote, but I felt suspish enough to vote. And then continued to contribute when I didn't actually fall asleep.

Not sure why you find that nefarious. I'm not bad. I don't have BTSC with Nutella. I don't know what else to say, because nothing else has been mentioned about why I'm suspish.

Black Rock wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

Matt wrote:Epi and Black Rock, follow Marmot!

No,vote Nutella

Well for my LoRab suspicion to work it would mean Nutella was her partner in murdering.

I'm confused by this, because later you say that I'm more suspish than she is. I'm not connected to her. At this poing, I don't trust her and I find her more suspish than I did when I voted. I don't know what esle to say, because you haven't really said anything about me.

bea wrote:taking a leap of faith here.


lorab

If I'm wrong please tell me why.

You are totally wrong. And, unless I missed it, you haven't said why you voted for me. If you explain, then I can tell you why you're wrong.

Black Rock wrote:

LoRab wrote:

Black Rock wrote:

LoRab wrote:LA's latest posts are not feeling so good to me. She is starting to feel cornered baddie.

Interesting LoRab. I see you jumped a vote on LC and have stuck around to throw out this opinion. Is this to cover your ass if LA flips something bad or murdering like? (I'm sorry, I'm not getting the whole concept yet)

Just something to watch. Just know I am.

I've been starting to doze off in front of the computer for an hour or so, and didn't want to miss the vote. I'm not confident in my vote, but I felt suspish enough to vote. And then continued to contribute when I didn't actually fall asleep.

Not sure why you find that nefarious. I'm not bad. I don't have BTSC with Nutella. I don't know what else to say, because nothing else has been mentioned about why I'm suspish.

Black Rock wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

Matt wrote:Epi and Black Rock, follow Marmot!

No,vote Nutella

Well for my LoRab suspicion to work it would mean Nutella was her partner in murdering.

I'm confused by this, because later you say that I'm more suspish than she is. I'm not connected to her. At this poing, I don't trust her and I find her more suspish than I did when I voted. I don't know what esle to say, because you haven't really said anything about me.

bea wrote:taking a leap of faith here.


lorab

If I'm wrong please tell me why.

You are totally wrong. And, unless I missed it, you haven't said why you voted for me. If you explain, then I can tell you why you're wrong.

Well, it was you that twitched my whiskers. but your statement that did that would only be an issue if you and LA were baddie partners.

My new theory (in my head) is that the Cylon/Human relationship is not so black and white and there will be murderers from both sides. Which means the Mafia team is made up of both. I just don't know which roles.

You already know that I like to watch you. Can you see why that post is suspicious sounding?

I guess. It's always hard to see one's own posts from another's perspective, but I guess I see what you mean.

I hope you will realize as we move forward that I'm civ.

So say we all.

I don't think we need to say it, but just in case I missed a post in reading through.

RIH LA.

And no, she and i were not connected. Here's the TLDR of what I'm about to type: I'm not bad. I am not connected to LA in any way in this game. She and I happened to have similar opinions at similar times--which is pure coincidence on timing and merely that she and I think about games similarly in general. I think she also tried to push the idea that were were connected with her later posts. Earlier on, I had no read on her--after I voted, her posts started to be evident that she was bad. I posted that when I noticed it, which was after I had already voted. The evidence is circumstantial and is leading folks to false conclusions about their suspicion of me.

bea wrote: no -you didn't miss it I didn't say - but BR put some supsih here that i agree with. So yea. Twirl if I'm wrong I will happily prove I'm wrong. But you do have to prove I'm wrong....

(since you asked for it and all)

Not sure how I could possibly prove that you're wrong. But I know you are. Please ask me more questions and explain which points you think were good. Because I would very much like to prove that I am good and you are wrong.

Black Rock wrote:

LoRab wrote:In totally unrelated news, I just got Hamilton tickets for December. And you all should vote for and play Dom's and my Hamilton game when we post it and the next poll goes up. And, I'm more than excited to have gotten tickets. I felt a need to share.

Then I think a congratulations is in order.

In other news, I was looking back in my FB photos and came across pics from Frex Halloween Party. There was one with you, me, LC, Sawyer540, and DD. Good times, miss the old crew.

Indeed. We should have a reunion! A few posts planning the finale party showed up on my On This Day a couple of days ago and I was definitely missing the old crew.

Black Rock wrote:Ok OA.

Black Rock wrote:

LoRab wrote:LA's latest posts are not feeling so good to me. She is starting to feel cornered baddie.

Interesting LoRab. I see you jumped a vote on LC and have stuck around to throw out this opinion. Is this to cover your ass if LA flips something bad or murdering like? (I'm sorry, I'm not getting the whole concept yet)

Just something to watch. Just know I am.

It's this post from LoRab that just seemed to convenient. After she just voted for LC. Hold on I'll get that post...

LoRab wrote:I went ahead and

voted Long Con

Sorry, dude, but your posts are just reading more bad to me than good. It's more gut than anything.

And I'm under the weather and really tired, and don't trust that I won't fall asleep at the computer, so wanted to vote now rather than forget or sleep through it.

I felt this vote post was weak. She states she might be falling asleep. Although she has made post three hours later. She also seemed to be ticket shopping. Baddie LoRab is known for such excuses.

But once again it's this post...

LoRab wrote:LA's latest posts are not feeling so good to me. She is starting to feel cornered baddie.

Like she was covering her ass, after she voted for LC and could not change it.

If she was covering her ass and bad it would mean they were teammates in the most murdering sense.

Linki: So say we all.

That is not a good Cylon.

I missed several votes in the last game and feel awful about that. I hate missing votes. I do what I can to make that not happen. Knowing I was tired, and that the chance existed of falling asleep, I chose to vote on the early side. It was not so much that I was falling asleep, it that I was afraid I would fall asleep. I didn't want to miss the vote. As things were, I did fall asleep before the lynch ended.

I ended up not falling asleep in front of the computer, and was up for a few more hours. My sleep is fairly erratic--so when I lynch ends at an iffy time, I try to remember to proactively vote early. At the time I voted, I was more suspicious of LC. When LA then made more posts, she started to look bad to me. That's really all there is to it.

And yes, during that 3 hours of "wow, I'm tired" and actually sleeping, I saw that Hamilton tickets had gone up for sale (which was unannounced and unexpected) and not wanting to lose my shot, I bought the tickets. It's not like I was looking for them.

No excuses. And yes, I'm sure I do things like this with falling asleep later than I thought I might as a baddie--I also do it as a civ, as an indie, as a neutral, and when I'm not playing the game. Honestly, sometimes I feel like I live on the Island (or in Night Vale)--time just isn't what it seems sometimes in my world.

I realize that there is circumstantial evidence that doesn't make me look good. But I assure you, it's purely circumstantial, and it's evidence of funky schedule-ness--not badness.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Things nutella said to/about LoRab:

Spoiler: show

nutella wrote:

LoRab wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:
Somebody tell me how in the hell I scumhunt if we are going to assume anyone is town or scum? WTF am I supposed to do in this game then?

For starters, stop shutting down the opinions of those who are used to complicated set ups. Those of us that have been playing here and on Syndicate's Cousin Sites are used to set ups in which good and bad isn't all that clear cut. This is just another variation on our normal.

To be plain, I would be absolutely shocked and disappointed if this were a simple game of civ v mafia. That simply wouldn't make sense given the description, the roles, and the general expectation of this site (with a game like this with no win conditions listed--there are certainly civ v mafia games, but they are described as such).

It's a different skill set, to be sure, to find baddies in such a game. Perhaps it could be useful if this is entirely unfamiliar to listen to those for whom this is not unfamiliar territory.

Yes, this. We have had numerous games that were not simply black and white "town" versus "scum" because honestly that gets really boring after a while. SW, ika, this may be new for you but try to keep an open mind about what a mafia game can look like and how complex the alignment system can get, and also maybe pay some attention to those who have show-lore-knowledge that might help understand such complexity for this particular game. Maybe you're right, maybe you're wrong, but show some flexibility and open-mindedness because that is how we play here. You are welcome to your opinions but please don't be rude about them or try to shove them down people's throats.

nutella wrote:

LoRab wrote:

indiglo wrote:Hey, Drums, you triggered another secret event! A Spoiler Tag / Quote malfunction! Hooray!

I did that before. I found it quite disconcerting. Someone will be along to clean it up shortly, I imagine.

OK, sorry for a moment of nostalgia, but this totally made me remember a game from a thousand years ago where every five minutes, the host popped up with, "A secret event has been triggered." I think it was on The Piano, not LP--really early days. ZOMG Zombies, maybe? Or possibly Computer Lab? Or some other game from around that time that I just can't come up with. Does anyone remember? Because this is bothering me now.

I think it was dan's zombie game (which IIRC was the first game on the piano) but I'm not positive.

Speaking of nostalgia I have to say I giggled when Silver said LC's posts were "fluffy."

nutella wrote:linki @ OA, sorry I misremembered the thing about zebra. and fwiw I really think you're thinking of a different person but only zebra can confirm. Also, why do you think Lorab and I have btsc just because we posted near each other? We happened to be online around the same time?

nutella wrote:

LoRab wrote:@OA: I assure you, it is coincidence. My posts are based entirely on when I am able to get online and play.

This. I post when I am here and caught up. If Lorab and I are posting around the same time it's just because we happen to be online around the same time. Although such coordination would be a nice asset for BTSC, it does not in any way imply we have it. I have no BTSC, and at this point no opinion on Lorab's alignment.

linki: OA honestly I think it's strange that you've locked so hard onto this. Again, being online at the same time IN NO WAY implies BTSC. I feel like you're really digging for something to latch onto here.

nutella wrote:OA, I didn't mean you seemed to be latching onto me, I meant the topic of the thing you noticed with Lorab and me. I get that you don't necessarily think I'm bad for it, I just thought it was weird that you kept bringing it up multiple times after I had already said that it was coincidence. It's fair that you were responding to other people who asked for details, but it did feel like you brought it up many times and completely ignored the first time I responded to it.

nutella wrote:

LoRab wrote:LA's latest posts are not feeling so good to me. She is starting to feel cornered baddie.

I am neither cornered nor a baddie I'm afraid I'll get lynched for basically the same reasons I do in almost every game, it's really frustrating at this point but I don't know what to do since no matter how or what I post people seem to read it as suspicious.

linki @ SVS I have no memory of how I played in recruitment (I assume you're talking about the latest one) and I don't know what you mean by "anyone but me" but I swear I'm just innocent and clueless this game.

linki @ bea: I might still vote for zebra even though I feel less strongly about her, but I kind of think I'll be voting more out of self preservation at this point and she has some votes to compete with those on me anyway. I'd rather not vote LC but if it ends up being a choice between voting him and getting lynched myself I'll do it. I'll wait as close to the end as I can though (without missing it this time )

The most interesting stuff pertains to the observation first made by OA that LoRab and nutella had been appearing in the thread very near to each other despite both being relatively quiet compared to the games loudest players. I highlighted a portion in the third post from the bottom in which nutella denies this accusation and my immediate reaction is to doubt her. The whole "it'd be nice if that were true, but it isn't!" approach to answering the accusation rubs me the wrong way (and when I say that, it's distinctly accusatory and not an assertion that nutella is "annoying". )

Not a great look for LoRab.

I realize the timing doesn't look good. I realize that LA's responses to that don't make it look good. I have to wonder if she did that on purpose, in order to stir the flames of folks looking at me to falsely lynch me after her, and give her actual teammates more time. LA is a smart woman--she knows how to answer accusations and questions--and she knows how to do so in order to set someone else up.

a2thezebra wrote:"I'm not bad. I don't have BTSC with Nutella. I don't know what else to say, because nothing else has been mentioned about why I'm suspish."

That's a frighteningly specific denial. LoRab will get my vote tomorrow.

It was in direct response to people speculating that I had BTSC with Nutella. That is literally the main point in most of the suspicion about me. In an earlier post, I had made a similar statement, and added that I didn't have BTSC with anyone else either. If someone is saying "you did XYZ" why wouldn't I respond directly to XYZ?

a2thezebra wrote:Because unless the accusation of XYZ was correct, you wouldn't need to.

a2thezebra wrote:Or should I say you wouldn't feel the need to.

I am of the school of answering posts about me. I may miss one now and then, but I try to answer every post about/directed towards me. I know not everyone comes from that mafia school of thought. So, the idea that I wouldn't feel the need to answer it if it wasn't correct doesn't grok.

a2thezebra wrote:It's not that you answered it, it's how you answered it. A direct denial. Not only does it mean nothing in terms of convincing anyone that you're telling the truth, when you directly deny a specific accusation as a single sentence it emphasizes that you really don't want to be seen as having that particular accusation be correct. What I mean is, it makes sense to say "I'm not scum" but saying "I wasn't assigned a mafia rolecard at the beginning of the game with a scum chat link and teammates A, B and C working together with me" raises questions about why you would want to deny something as specific as that.

I don't really understand why denying BTSC with a specific person when the idea was raised that I might have BTSC with that specific person is suspish to you.

And what you say isn't analagous. A few people said, "I think LA and LoRab have BTSC," I denied that such was true. It wasn't that people said more general statements, to which a general denial would make sense. And the initial posts about it weren't even about us being bad--OA's original comment noted that we could have civ BTSC--so I was making a statement denying that such BTSC exists. It did not and does not.

I realize that you don't tend to respond to specific accusations unless direct questions are asked. That's fine. I find that what you do is suspicious, just like you find the other way around suspicious--but I've come to learn that it's just how you play. As for me, my own mafia school of thought is that I answer specific accusations as they are made. Not just with statements of, "I'm not bad," but also with direct responses to individual matters that are raised--especially when they are not true.

But you do you. If that makes me get your eyeball, I can't really do anything about that. I'm not going to change the way I play because of it.

indiglo wrote:>May 12 - 12:12 am EST - Scotty - D6
>May 12 - 12:12 12:34 pm EST - Bea indiglo - B6

May 13 - 12:12 12:34 am EST - Marmot
May 13 - 12:12 12:34 pm EST - G-Man
May 14 - 12:34 am EST -
May 14 - 12:34 pm EST -



A1 A2 A3 A4 A5 A6
B1 B2 B3 B4 B5 B6
C1 C2 C3 C4 C5 C6
D1 D2 D3 D4 D5 D6
E1 E2 E3 E4 E5 E6
F1 F2 F3 F4 F5 F6

Looking ahead, if we're still doing this, and the timing is still the same, I could do 12:34 pm on Monday (the 16th).

juliets wrote:Lorab you have it right about the :34 times. I just woke up from a nap and am confusing you.

Haha. It's ok. I understand. Been there, done that.

So say we all.

RIPIYWG Indi.

I initially assumed tinfoil for the slips Matt pointed out, but in reading Bea's reaction, I'm not so sure.

bea wrote: I'm super confused as to what you think I have slipped about? ]

Iso me. I've been talking about the idea of civ aligned cylons for like ever. YOU were the one I was responding to where. I first said "I'd have a rough time seeing athena as anything but civ aligned." Please go back and look.

I don't think I'm miss remembering in saying that happened before epi flipped athena. Where have I slipped? I think I've been pretty constant on my stance about the cylons.

Forget why you made the post in the first place and if that made sense or not (I think I get what you say you were saying, but it still is a bit off to me)--this reaction doesn't make sense from a civ perspective. "Where have I slipped?" implies that you have something to slip about. Not, you misunderstood my posts, or no that wasn't a slip I'm civ.

Also, you seem to be saying "we humans" and "us humans" a whole lot, as a baddie might do in order to avoid question that they are human. Baddies tend to be careful about that, civs not so much.

I'm still suspish of LC--but BR not reading him as bad is giving me pause; she reads him better than I do.

Long Con wrote:

LoRab wrote:Also, you seem to be saying "we humans" and "us humans" a whole lot, as a baddie might do in order to avoid question that they are human. Baddies tend to be careful about that, civs not so much.

When you make posts like this it make you sound more bad, making implications based on someone's basic personality traits which are unrelated to affiliation. When I talk about you making feints at people, this is what I mean. Little implications that you can sow & pick up later if they bear fruit.

Where did you talk about my making feints at people? I must have missed that post? And no, I'm not trying to start a band wagon. I'm stating my suspicion of a player.

I often find suspicions based on patters of speech (well, typing) that are off to me--based on that players usual posting or based on general patterns of language. It is not indicative of alignment.

And in this particular game, I am not bad.

Just read up after a long day.

I know people suspect me because I didn't suspect LA until late in her lynch, after I had voted, and she and I happened to post at the same time and held similar opinions, but I'm not bad.

G-Man wrote:Aw crapweasels, we missed it. And I see JJJ may have flubbed his too.

HOST: are sortie calls due at exactly six-hour intervals or must they simply be at least six hours apart?

I guess we'll find out if we get results for JJJ's sortie. This feels like it shouldn't be such a difficult thing to keep track of.


Who was it that used to say crapweasels? I can't remember.

Me! Generally in the singular, though. It's a Friends reference, actually. Many moons ago, it became my favorite non-curse curse.

@Ricoh: I get why you suspect me. But I'm not bad and I'm just trying my best. I don't have a lot of strong suspicions, so I haven't had as many posts on suspects. I've posted when I have had thoughts (including my thoughts on LA after the fact. It was truly her end of day defense that made her look bad to me.). And while it's not an excuse, I've been both crazy busy and sick, which is not a good combination for life--and is one that makes thinking through mafia a challenging task at best.

a2thezebra wrote:I do not believe that she is a confirmed civ.

I don't think that word means what you think that word means.

I figured you'd vote for me because you said you would, based on my directly answering direct comments about me. I get that you play differently. You didn't seem to want to listen to the fact that you're wrong, so I couldn't have convinced you anyway.

linkitis: So, you don't think I'm bad, but you're voting for me? Meh.

a2thezebra wrote:

LoRab wrote:You didn't seem to want to listen to the fact that you're wrong.

Even if I am wrong, this statement is worthy of a policy lynch.

Poor wording is not worthy of a policy vote. And I think you know what I meant.

a2thezebra wrote:Poor wording? It's not worthy of a policy lynch because of poor wording. What you said is what you meant.

What I meant was that you voted for me based on a difference in play style, which you won't even consider being a different game strategy than your own, and not indicative of alliance. You decided that answering direct accusations with direct comments to specific points is suspicious. While I posted that it's how I always answer accusations, you would not entertain the idea that lots of players answer direct points and direct questions.

So, yeah, you voted based on your own ideas, without considering that you might be wrong. You decided that you were voting for me before you even posted about it. So, yeah, I'd rather you vote for me early than my have to waste my time arguing with you when you are going to stubbornly stick to your false assumptions.

a2thezebra wrote:"You decided that you were voting for me before you even posted about it."

Is this uncommon?

I think it's more common that someone states a suspicion, waits for a response, and then decides their vote.

a2thezebra wrote:That sounds very counterproductive.

The way you describe sounds counterproductive to me. So, again, different ways of playing.