The Syndicate

So say we all! Even fraking retards like myself who couldn't be around for the first half of the day, already. I started a prep course this morning for my next teaching level exams and I had no idea how long it'll take and it ended up lasting 6 hours, which is 2 hours more than I slept last nigth.

Anyway, I'm battling a massive headache right now, but I'll try to look into the main issues, during the next hour or so.

Right-o, then.

1.1. I am rather surprised to find SVS among those who have not replied to the admiral's address properly, considering she used to be a similar rulemaker herself, not long time ago. Meanwhile, ika made such a fuss about disobeying this rule, his post seems surprisingly prudent. I am not sure if consequences such as treason charges, brig time or death will be decided by the Host, but I guess the cylon suspecting part would be our task, right? Any thoughts on these two players, in particular?

A full list of people who have disobeyed rule 1, so far, is as follows:

DrumBeats
nutella
SVS
MetalMarsh89
Vompatti

1.2. I applaud the flavor and lore of the "Day 0" task, but such short-timed tasks, contests or events of such nature will prove problematic, if one is not around during that time zone. Just my two pennies.

1.3. On the issue of the final five, their reveal and alignment and such. If lore is highly strong in this game, then I would expect the Final Five finding out their true identity to fall under "certain event" category; maybe Admiral Adama jumping the fleet to a certain location, or one of President Roslin's prophetic moments?

Furthermore, their true nature make the Final Five no doubt Cylons, as opposed to humans, which would compartalize them as anti-civilian, at best. However, given lore yet again, most of the Final Five remained loyal to the human cause, the only notable exception in the series having been Tory Foster, who didn't care no more what happens to the humans. If the Final Five in this game will be randomised, there's no real way of knowing which one might suffer a change of heart or not. I motion we consider them potential independents. The ratio of humans - cylons - independents wouldn't be outrageous, for this current roster (basically 15 - 8 - 5, which is a little more than GoC '16 proved to be).

1.4. I have no inclination to read into the intentions of those who have worked on deciphering the messages (or didn't) - good work on solving it, btw! I remember two past games with deciphering tiles (sorry if there were more I'm not recalling). In Death Note, a mostly mixed ensemble of civs, baddies and unkillable Shinigamis worked on cracking it. In Turf Wars, we indies had a challenge like that and our goal was common. I think Silverwolf's assessment of it is quite fair, but even there, if a person was frustrated by being called out whilst trying to solve the challenge (Polo, I think), that frustration could simply come from anyone who is trying to work it out. Then again, I am intrigued by Polo himself having used this very same angle to berate LoRab.

All in all, you are not getting reads from me based on how you contributed to the puzzles.

1.5. We have three players having voted straight out of the gate and this I'm interested in. I supposed Polo's vote was criticism for LoRab, although it also seems he didn't realise votes would not be changeable (plus in wrong format and all that), but I guess the Host pardoned him. Did @The Host also pardon ika's vote or is it stuck on null for this phase? I don't know what's so hard about using the "View results" button, tbqh.

That leaves MetalMarsh89, who voted early Epignosis without any reasoning and with a confusing vote post format which I'm confused whether it makes the vote valid or not. Anyway, in his case, I think his (rather annoying) early votes / no-reason votes shenanigans have been a long practice of him, unfortunately not backed every time by him being a civilian. I could therefore see myself voting to lynch him for it, toDay.

1.6. Regarding JJJ's stated intentions of gameplay, I'd just say play the way you want to play.

1.7. Lastly, we could always resort to a policy lynch on Matt.

I'm not much in the mood to post more, for now. If there'll be more cases coming up, I'll look into them, I guess.

SVS, I think FoS means Finger of Suspicion.

Greetings, Glorfindel. Are you cylon?

Vompatti wrote:I didn't read the rules k

No surprises there.

Are you rooting for the baddies this game?

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A full list of people who have disobeyed rule 1, so far, is as follows:

DrumBeats
nutella
SVS
MetalMarsh89
Vompatti
Glorfindel

DrumBeats wrote:

sig wrote:@HOST Will the final five know if they are cylons after the game starts. Or will it be revealed to them later?

Well Fine no helping solve the puzzle.


A

Looking back, minor townread on Sig right now for that question to the host. Final five mechanics, from what I understand of them, is something that makes a town player unknowingly scum. I do not feel like Sig would ask this if it did not apply to Sig, so I currently believe that Sig is either one of the final five, or a town player.

Wait, I revisited this post and I'm confused a bit by it, especially the underlined part. Why couldn't Sig be a Cylon (original) asking about the Final Five?

@Beats

I don't see how it can veer towards a townslip. If the design is faithful to the show, the certain Cylons have no memory of who the Final Five Cylons are. So the question could come from:

-- town Sig having no clue if he's Final Five (not received in his role at the start of the game)
-- town Sig having no clue how the Final Five will be revealed, regardless of him turning up as such or not, or
-- Cylon Sig trying to find out how the Final Five will be revealed (or if they have already).

Does this make sense?

Also, I think this is the first time such a obligatory "salute" rule has been introduced in games here. You not following the rule still must be accounted for, because rules are rules.

linki: ninja'd by indi

indiglo wrote:
I think that's a definite possibility. I posted earlier about the 3 options I came up with that would allow a civ/townie to ask such a question. Now it's possible he is a civ/townie that isn't exempt from Cylonism, but to me it still seems like an odd question. Because he would have been told in his role pm that he was a human and secret Cylon. Or he would have been told he was a human, with no mention of being a secret Cylon. Either way, he would already know the answer to his question if he were a Human/civ/townie, simply by reading his role pm.

To me, asking that question makes more sense coming from a Cylon. But I am also aware everyone thinks differently. I am surprised this hasn't received more attention than it has, unless no one else reads it as odd. But I would still like more input from others, even if they don't think it's odd.

Snipped for relevant quoting.

If the Final Five would have received the info of being such in their role cards and sig would be one of them, I either would not imagine him asking the question in the open no more or would (although less so) imagine him asking the question as smokescreen, acting clueless.

So, in other words, a plain town rolecard hypothesis. In which case, his inquiry would be genuine in the thread. Yet, as I've explained to Beats, I don't see how that makes Sig necessarily town. Cylon could ask precisely the same, having in this case precisely as much knowledge as a townie.

Would scum Silver have abstained from contributing to such a challenge?

ika wrote:

Ricochet wrote:Would scum Silver have abstained from contributing to such a challenge?

yes. i know silvers meta and play like the back of my hand. i know what she does as scum and town

Oh boy, my turn on the Silver and ika Meta Show.

So she would actively signal you that she is scum, if you were town, by doing the thing she knows you'd expect her to do as scum?

ika wrote:rico is leaning scum right now
better town read on silver
vompii might be town?

im here for talk if people like

as for the argument about sig making the question is kinda getting moot at this point, as cylon he has little to no porupous asking it publicly,

For why?

Ricochet wrote:

ika wrote:

Ricochet wrote:Would scum Silver have abstained from contributing to such a challenge?

yes. i know silvers meta and play like the back of my hand. i know what she does as scum and town

Oh boy, my turn on the Silver and ika Meta Show.

So she would actively signal you that she is scum, if you were town, by doing the thing she knows you'd expect her to do as scum?

clarify i don't fully understand?

If Silver would know that not contributing to a common challenge is her scum tell and that you would pick up on it, why would she do the thing (not contributing) that would make you pick up on her being scum?

ika wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

ika wrote:rico is leaning scum right now
better town read on silver
vompii might be town?

im here for talk if people like

as for the argument about sig making the question is kinda getting moot at this point, as cylon he has little to no porupous asking it publicly,

For why?

for your posts.

Ah, I was worried it was for my looks.

I'll wait for you to develop actual reasons, then.

ika wrote:

Ricochet wrote:
If Silver would know that not contributing to a common challenge is her scum tell and that you would pick up on it, why would she do the thing (not contributing) that would make you pick up on her being scum?

She would do it cus she would not know what to do, even if she did post i would be able to see that her post were either

A) out of place
B) have a scum motivation behind it

her post also follow a certain tone and style that she can not fake no matter how hard she tries. we have dicussed it over many days and many hours in the past so is there a point to this?

Asking for letters and trying to figure out what a message would convey doesn't sound like a hard task to feign interest in.

There is a point in me asking if Silver wouldn't have contributed to the challenge if bad and if she would have done so, knowing that you (if town) would pick up on it being a scumtell. At which I remained incredulous that she would willingly signal that she's bad by not doing something.

ika wrote:

Ricochet wrote: Ah, I was worried it was for my looks.

I'll wait for you to develop actual reasons, then.

good thin i do have reasons but not saying just yet, you should know of all people that i dont do cases and any reason i do is very crappy at best

So any case you would do on me being bad would be a crappy one. Got it.

You can choose to argue your reads whenever you feel like, but making a scumcall without reasoning simply won't do, at least for me.

EBWOP I'm drowning in editing quote tags already

ika wrote:

Ricochet wrote:
If Silver would know that not contributing to a common challenge is her scum tell and that you would pick up on it, why would she do the thing (not contributing) that would make you pick up on her being scum?

She would do it cus she would not know what to do, even if she did post i would be able to see that her post were either

A) out of place
B) have a scum motivation behind it

her post also follow a certain tone and style that she can not fake no matter how hard she tries. we have dicussed it over many days and many hours in the past so is there a point to this?

Asking for letters and trying to figure out what a message would convey doesn't sound like a hard task to feign interest in.

There is a point in me asking if Silver wouldn't have contributed to the challenge if bad and if she would have done so, knowing that you (if town) would pick up on it being a scumtell. At which I remained incredulous that she would willingly signal that she's bad by not doing something.

ika wrote:

Ricochet wrote: Ah, I was worried it was for my looks.

I'll wait for you to develop actual reasons, then.

good thin i do have reasons but not saying just yet, you should know of all people that i dont do cases and any reason i do is very crappy at best

So any case you would do on me being bad would be a crappy one. Got it.

You can choose to argue your reads whenever you feel like, but making a scumcall without reasoning simply won't do, at least for me.[/quote]

How does an autocorrect go from Cylons to Culinary when Nylon is right around the corner?

Let's back it up a bit, because I never said you said anything about Silver doing a scumtell willingly. I said that.

Your read: Silver is slight town because she contributed to the contest.
My question: Would she have not contributed, if she were bad?
Your answer: Yes.
My follow-up: Why would she not contribute, knowing you would read her as bad for doing so?

This is the part where I asked if Silver would "willingly" let herself be read by you as bad, if indeed bad, simply by not contributing to the contest.

As for you claiming Silver could not change the way she plays - in this case, not contributing to the contest, if she were bad - I stipulated that the act of contributing, rather than not contributing and potentially getting yourself read as bad, is so not such difficult to achieve.

ika wrote:to asnwer your later, im jsut going to ignore it then you should see form the game you hosted yourself that i have sit reasons all the time

Appeal to meta in a game I observed (whether by playing or hosting) is inconsequential, because I don't believe in meta being rigid and I'm not a meta collector. It further isn't significant, because it's not meta regarding what you do when good or when bad - which is the kind of meta I do indeed look back upon, sometimes - it's meta of how you scumhunt or do reads, at best. Which is, again, fine, if that's how you want to do, except me wanting to hear what scumread I'm supposed to defend myself will always trump everything else. Always has, always will.

ika wrote:

Ricochet wrote:Let's back it up a bit, because I never said you said anything about Silver doing a scumtell willingly. I said that.

Your read: Silver is slight town because she contributed to the contest.
My question: Would she have not contributed, if she were bad?
Your answer: Yes.
My follow-up: Why would she not contribute, knowing you would read her as bad for doing so?

This is the part where I asked if Silver would "willingly" let herself be read by you as bad, if indeed bad, simply by not contributing to the contest.

As for you claiming Silver could not change the way she plays - in this case, not contributing to the contest, if she were bad - I stipulated that the act of contributing, rather than not contributing and potentially getting yourself read as bad, is so not such difficult to achieve.

i like how you omit my bigger point that her genrating read is my bigger reason for it. the other is minor/

it rather is if you know silver. plz dont insuiuate that you know her better and her play. i know what she does and what she doesnt and 99% of the time its not "willingly" its jsut a subconscious action she does

It was no omission, it started the discussion well interested in this aspect, of the two you stated.

I have insinuated no such thing. To be incredulous to a player can't simply "do action X", when "not doing action X" is supposed to make the player suspicious, is not the same thing as saying I know "better" what actions that player would do.

I don't know how to play mafia subconsciously. Sounds esoteric.

ika wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

ika wrote:to asnwer your later, im jsut going to ignore it then you should see form the game you hosted yourself that i have sit reasons all the time

Appeal to meta in a game I observed (whether by playing or hosting) is inconsequential, because I don't believe in meta being rigid and I'm not a meta collector. It further isn't significant, because it's not meta regarding what you do when good or when bad - which is the kind of meta I do indeed look back upon, sometimes - it's meta of how you scumhunt or do reads, at best. Which is, again, fine, if that's how you want to do, except me wanting to hear what scumread I'm supposed to defend myself will always trump everything else. Always has, always will.

well it shows you quite well how i make cases and how i form reads on some aspects and making cases is part of forming reads

(the hint is i dont make cases and if i do they are really fuckign shitty)

You said I'm look rather bad, I asked what for, you said for what I wrote. That's sheer truism.

ika wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

ika wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

ika wrote:to asnwer your later, im jsut going to ignore it then you should see form the game you hosted yourself that i have sit reasons all the time

Appeal to meta in a game I observed (whether by playing or hosting) is inconsequential, because I don't believe in meta being rigid and I'm not a meta collector. It further isn't significant, because it's not meta regarding what you do when good or when bad - which is the kind of meta I do indeed look back upon, sometimes - it's meta of how you scumhunt or do reads, at best. Which is, again, fine, if that's how you want to do, except me wanting to hear what scumread I'm supposed to defend myself will always trump everything else. Always has, always will.

well it shows you quite well how i make cases and how i form reads on some aspects and making cases is part of forming reads

(the hint is i dont make cases and if i do they are really fuckign shitty)

You said I'm look rather bad, I asked what for, you said for what I wrote. That's sheer truism.

Yup, do you have a read on me yet?

Nope.

ika wrote:

Ricochet wrote:
Nope.

so im null?

Neutral would be a read. I answered that I don't have a read.

Matt wrote:You got a read on me yet Rico?

I have a policy lynch, if it would please you, instead.

Matt wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

Matt wrote:You got a read on me yet Rico?

I have a policy lynch, if it would please you, instead.

Can't get rid of me that easy, but k.

Anyway, looking over the Cylon roles...some of them have different colored names. I wonder if the Cylons are split into two btsc teams.

Weird, tho, because both Sharons, Athena and Boomer, are the same color, but I would imagine they wouldn't be on the same team because they were quite opposite in the show.

Boomer started off thinking she was human, but ended up taking on the Cylon cause. Athena knew she was a Cylon from the get go, but then rebelled against them and fought with the humans. I'm starting to wonder if the bad guys solely consist of Cylons or if some of the humans are Mafia, as well.

The civilians also have different colored names, it has primarly to do with whether they're located on Galactica or not. That being said, I also wondered if a mafia team of 8 wouldn't be too big for all of them to start with BTSC.

I asked the Host if we're ever to find out more about the cylons or them having BTSC, but no answer, of any kind, yet.

By humans being Mafia, you mean the Final Five or any civilian role?

ika wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

ika wrote:

Ricochet wrote:
Nope.

so im null?

Neutral would be a read. I answered that I don't have a read.

everyone has a read on someone, saying you dont have one means i am at best null

but i will follow,why do you have no read on me?

No, saying I don't have a read on you is exactly that. I didn't arrive to even a partial read on you from your posts thus far. Saying you are neutral or null would be my equivalent of having a read that is either inconclusive or not leaning on a side.

This should cover your second question as well.

Matt wrote:

Ricochet wrote:By humans being Mafia, you mean the Final Five or any civilian role?

Any civilian role. Well, not any, but specifically a few...

Gaius, Felix, and Tom Zarek come to mind as a few humans who could potentially be on a Mafia team, I would think. Maybe not Gaius, I guess it depends on your PoV.

I find this to be pure Matttalk, the Host was clear that the Final Five would be randomised, if this concerns them (and whether they will switch to mafia or anti-civ). Any civilians besides the potential F5 ones would constitute civilian traitors and should normally mess with the game balance.

Then again, this game is a semi closed setup and I've been known to burn my face off before with thinking the game would be too straightforward.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

ika wrote:

Ricochet wrote:
Nope.

so im null?

Neutral would be a read. I answered that I don't have a read.

I don't think it's possible to have the complete absence of a read on someone you've been having a conversation with. If that's how you feel, then the read is neutral/null by default. You haven't felt any inclination at all to this point in your chat to read ika one way or another, even if he's only moved a fraction of a smidgen from the center? That's surprising.

If I misunderstood the concept of "null" as "no read", then yes, but ika already used "null" to describe his banter about sig not voting him, so I don't think it's that.

I've explained what neutral means to me and it's not null. Neutral would me literally putting ika in yellow, for instance.

As for smidgens and such, I believe I was asked for a read, not for smidgens or fractions. I don't believe it's surprising that I come with some sort of argumented text, that constitutes my read, when I have such material to publish.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Ricochet wrote:As for smidgens and such, I believe I was asked for a read, not for smidgens or fractions. I don't believe it's surprising that I come with some sort of argumented text, that constitutes my read, when I have such material to publish.

Gun to head read on ika, GO

Never played in GTH mode, don't feel like starting now.

sig wrote:I'm pretty sure one color is people who are on the colonies and the others are on the ship right?

You're talking with Matt.

Matt wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

Matt wrote:

Ricochet wrote:By humans being Mafia, you mean the Final Five or any civilian role?

Any civilian role. Well, not any, but specifically a few...

Gaius, Felix, and Tom Zarek come to mind as a few humans who could potentially be on a Mafia team, I would think. Maybe not Gaius, I guess it depends on your PoV.

I find this to be pure Matttalk, the Host was clear that the Final Five would be randomised, if this concerns them (and whether they will switch to mafia or anti-civ). Any civilians besides the potential F5 ones would constitute civilian traitors and should normally mess with the game balance.

Then again, this game is a semi closed setup and I've been known to burn my face off before with thinking the game would be too straightforward.

Pure Matttalk? Haha.

The Final Five has nothing to do with what I'm saying. Pretend they don't even exist for a moment.

What I'm saying, is that I think regular human non-cylons could be Mafia. It seems you've also seen the show, do you disagree with me that it's possible any or all of the names I mentioned could be Mafia?

Take into consideration, also, that the role list isn't divided between "civs" and "mafia", just "humans" and "cylons". And there are some Cylons (again, Athena, and the Final Five minus Tory) that could be considered "civs", so no I don't think it's "purely Matttalk".

I think that human non-cylons being Mafia merely because there were conflicting stories and antagonists within the human universe of the show would be a stretch in the current balance we're supposedly dealing with.

Why is the humans v cylons separation of roles unsatisfying for you on a civs vs mafia level?

Matt wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:*spreadsheets Ricochet as "willfully uncooperative, Day 1*

Fo sho.

Rico, so you don't believe it's possible that Felix or Tom Zarek (or even Gaius) could be "mafia" ?

I believe that, of those roles, only Zarek's was formulated to hint at a potential opportunistic secret or win con. I have nothing to infer about Felix and Gaius, based on how the roles are written.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:*spreadsheets Ricochet as "willfully uncooperative, Day 1*

Consistent with who I am, still.

How did you spreadsheet ika?

What is your read on ika?

linki: oh wait, it seems you just written something.

Culinary toasters.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Given that the toasters are divided into two colors like the humans, does anyone think we should be perceiving them as separate toaster teams? I ask because eight seems like a huge number for just one team.

Welcome to Matt and Rico talk show, 20 minutes ago.

sig wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

sig wrote:I'm pretty sure one color is people who are on the colonies and the others are on the ship right?

You're talking with Matt.

Wait What?

Matt believes the colors may stand for something else and in fact link humans with cylons beyond their suggested alignments. Good luck trying to point him to what the Host actually wrote on the subject of colors.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Given that the toasters are divided into two colors like the humans, does anyone think we should be perceiving them as separate toaster teams? I ask because eight seems like a huge number for just one team.

Welcome to Matt and Rico talk show, 20 minutes ago.

I thought y'all were talking about the Final Five, which I'm not. Anyway, what's your take?

Exactly the same as yours. 8 is one number more than 7, which I've seen BTSC teams before, but mix that with different locations and I could see a plausible team of 8 that don't yet have full BTSC between themselves. Sort of like MP plans to design Naruto, if you want to check that for a model.

Matt wrote:

Ricochet wrote:I think that human non-cylons being Mafia merely because there were conflicting stories and antagonists within the human universe of the show would be a stretch in the current balance we're supposedly dealing with.

Why is the humans v cylons separation of roles unsatisfying for you on a civs vs mafia level?

Dude, please start talking to me like I'm a third grader cuz that's basically my mental capacity, k thanks.

Anyway, nowhere in the roles does it say civs or mafia, and I think that's interesting. It seems like Golden is a big fan of the show, so I can definitely imagine a mafia team perhaps consisting of only humans, tbh.

The only definite Mafia Cylon I could name would be Number One, John.

Or maybe I drew a Cylon card, and know I'm civvie, so I want to bring up the possibility of humans being mafia.

Linki - 3J, I was wondering the same, but I think sig pointed out that the colors are just telling us the location of each player.

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did the upload file / attachment function disappear, btw?

Overall, I'm going to sum up Matt's current theories as one of the following:

a) knowing or extrapolating something, likely from his role, that I don't or can't, as per fraking usual
b) Matttalk

Matt wrote:

Ricochet wrote:Overall, I'm going to sum up Matt's current theories as one of the following:

a) knowing or extrapolating something, likely from his role, that I don't or can't, as per fraking usual
b) Matttalk

I find your unwillingness to agree that it's possible some humans could be mafia...is strange. Especially since it seems like you've seen the show yourself.

Hrm.

You always find my unwillingness towards your theories strange, it's part of who you are. I never disagreed with the likelyhood of the concept of humans switching to mafia, but for me the biggest odds on that deal with the Final Five. Which you're telling me to frakin' leave aside, simply because Zarek was a bad bully and Gaeta turned mutinous in the show.

Matt wrote:Lol Rico is probably Felix and a civvie.

Hahahaha.

I am Ryuk, ok?

I am hereby acknowledging theory A as part of my two explanations regarding what Matt is so adamant to bring up, in that there's a chance the good-evil relation between humans and cylons may indeed be blurred out and that he has knowledge or inference regarding it.

Now go on and tell me how that affects my task of hunting down scum, given that I am civilian, because frak if I understand.

I'm gonna take a breather and go do list of films. I spent way too much time here during this evening and I'm not sure what it amounted to.

Matt wrote:

Ricochet wrote:I am hereby acknowledging theory A as part of my two explanations regarding what Matt is so adamant to bring up, in that there's a chance the good-evil relation between humans and cylons may indeed be blurred out and that he has knowledge or inference regarding it.

Now go on and tell me how that affects my task of hunting down scum, given that I am civilian, because frak if I understand.

Between the two, as much as I don't like the phrase, I'd say theory B "Matttalk" is actually the case here.

So you agree then that it's possible Felix or Zarek (and less likely, Gaius) could be Mafia then? I was just curious why you seemed to be against that option earlier.

Linki - Bye bye Rico! I'm gonna get ready for work peeps, but I'll be back in about 30, and I'll still have an hour or so to play around if anyone wants to chatter about dem toasters!!

I agree with whatever you fraking want me to believe, you've fried my fraking brain yet again with your "what ifs" and it's only Day One. You have info or inference and you can't stop itching to share it with the world via conundrums, I get it.

You haven't said how is that supposed to affect my task of hunting down mafia.

juliets wrote:I don't know who these "toasters" are because I've never seen the show. Can someone give me an explanation?

Cylons.

Ok, then. I guess it's close to how Matt projected it. Cylons, as they appear, may in fact be (or grow?) divided and split allegiances, some of the humans may turn out to be treacherous, and the Final Five will probably be a mixed bag of Cylons who might stick with the human cause and those who might turn against (or grow indifferent and thus have indy value).

Matt is either a role with description or powers that allowed him to form such deductions or a role with a contradictory allegiance compared to how that role appears on the list, taunting us as one of the human roles he so much claims to be potential traitors or rather a Cylon trying to change the perception of the thread and maybe earn clemency.

Matt wrote:

Ricochet wrote:Ok, then. I guess it's close to how Matt projected it. Cylons, as they appear, may in fact be (or grow?) divided and split allegiances, some of the humans may turn out to be treacherous, and the Final Five will probably be a mixed bag of Cylons who might stick with the human cause and those who might turn against (or grow indifferent and thus have indy value).

Matt is either a role with description or powers that allowed him to form such deductions or a role with a contradictory allegiance compared to how that role appears on the list, taunting us as one of the human roles he so much claims to be potential traitors or rather a Cylon trying to change the perception of the thread and maybe earn clemency.

Or I've seen the show.

Derp.

I've also seen the show and it took roughly two seasons for things to get deeply nuanced between the basic human-cylon war, especially including the three human names you keep bringing up. I'm sorry for sounding more like Epignosis and expecting at least some shred of basic good-evil clear factional antagonism, instead of predicting total design mindfrakkery.

Also no, you're one of the things I mentioned.

Matt wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

Matt wrote:

Ricochet wrote:Ok, then. I guess it's close to how Matt projected it. Cylons, as they appear, may in fact be (or grow?) divided and split allegiances, some of the humans may turn out to be treacherous, and the Final Five will probably be a mixed bag of Cylons who might stick with the human cause and those who might turn against (or grow indifferent and thus have indy value).

Matt is either a role with description or powers that allowed him to form such deductions or a role with a contradictory allegiance compared to how that role appears on the list, taunting us as one of the human roles he so much claims to be potential traitors or rather a Cylon trying to change the perception of the thread and maybe earn clemency.

Or I've seen the show.

Derp.

I've also seen the show and it took roughly two seasons for things to get deeply nuanced between the basic human-cylon war, especially including the three human names you keep bringing up. I'm sorry for sounding more like Epignosis and expecting at least some shred of basic good-evil clear factional antagonism, instead of predicting total design mindfrakkery.

Also no, you're one of the things I mentioned.

Ummm okay.

G2H am I a human fighting for the Cylons or a Cylon looking to kick some toaster ass? In your faulty opinion, of course.

Simply based on you fretting so much to open the public's eye to this plausible perspective, I'd slightly rank the odds as: 1) Cylon trying to earn clemency, 2) Matt trying to frak with us for the umpteenth time, 3) human or Cylon who might have the win con of giving no fucks who wins between the two sides, 4) basic human whose role allowed him to discern or infer some things about how things might shape up.

Not sure if I should say the salute, after SVS said it. Then again, she didn't salute properly Admiral Goldama herself, so it's prolly nothing to follow protocol.

G-Man, outing is forbidden, so there's not much to discuss about your fake claim, except if a modkill happens to come up next.

Matt wrote:Anyway, this has been mighty enjoyable, but work beckons.

Right now, if I had to vote...wow prolly a coin flip between Rico and LC, or maybe just Rico cuz there's somethin' iffy there.

Later peeps!

There's nothing iffy about how human civilian I am, but go ahead and vote me for not listening to you or whatever your reason is.

The Host is currently the second highest poster in his own game.

ika wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

Matt wrote:Anyway, this has been mighty enjoyable, but work beckons.

Right now, if I had to vote...wow prolly a coin flip between Rico and LC, or maybe just Rico cuz there's somethin' iffy there.

Later peeps!

There's nothing iffy about how human civilian I am, but go ahead and vote me for not listening to you or whatever your reason is.

That's quite a defensive remark for one threat.

He developed suspicions and the thought of voting me toDay enough times already, plus this remark above hinted at approaching some resolution. I would not count that as "one".

S~V~S wrote:

Ricochet wrote:Not sure if I should say the salute, after SVS said it. Then again, she didn't salute properly Admiral Goldama herself, so it's prolly nothing to follow protocol.

G-Man, outing is forbidden, so there's not much to discuss about your fake claim, except if a modkill happens to come up next.

What?

1) After either the Admiral or your esteemed host addresses the colonies and ends the address with "So Say We All", your first post MUST begin with “So Say We All”, or else you may be guilty of treason, punishable by time in the brig, or other punishments up to and including death, and by generally being branded a cylon sympathiser by the rest of the population.

This is the rule. Why would it be an issue saying it after I said it? Someone earlier (G Man,maybe?) said they were gonna say it every post,and that kinda makes sense to me since there are punishments and I already will be getting one.

Why are you so obsessed on this point? To look involved?

I'm not obsessed and I was joking.