The Syndicate

So say we all!

Ugh this started at the absolute worst time of the day. I'm still doing my show and still have another 45 min to go. Fracking a. If I had time to myself I could maybe solve this- it's my specialty.

E

Er, F

I think it's clear none of the letters are what they actually are, and now we have to figure out what everything stands for.

I think o might be a

Oh man this is fucking impossible with only 10 people checking in on a time limit.

Even if everyone checked in it would take some time to decipher the code.

Ok shows over r=T
How much time

Immediately

Destroy

Those are words in there

If you don't destroy the planetic carrier immediately you will suffer

Planetic could be something else

Scotty wrote:Planetic could be something else

If you don't destroy the Olympic carrier immediately you will suffer

Whew, what a rush. I saw that I was right.

Gotta be honest, I didn't think we were gonna do it. I wasn't able to really sit down with the code until that last one. Thanks to Polo for giving out the guidepost of 'carrier'. That was immensely helpful.

I would not immediately clear anyone that worked on that cipher. I am not clear. Because it wasn't necessarily clear what solving the puzzle would yield. It could have been an advantage of some sort. So who knows, anyone could have been motivated to solve it.

For me- I'm not only a good person, but I just love solving puzzles

a2thezebra wrote:Come on Matt let's chat!

a2thezebra wrote:About all these baddies that is.

You don't seem to want to be involved, even though you're taunting Matt here. I don't like that.

@JJJ what mechanics in this game are persuading you to change your usual style? I don't see that much different than a regular game to make you want to change it up, but I'm open to different strategies if they're founded.

@Matt I appreciate your attitude of not just assuming I'm good because I may have saved the colonies, but I am.

@Rico I don't think hunting people because they didn't obey the first rule is a good way to identify cylons. I think they will receive their due punishment via incidental host power. If they continue to do so after the first day, then it's just blatant insubordination

i have 2 shows today and am not kidding- this day 1 couldn't have happened at a worse time in the day in the worst time of the week. I'm gonna be spotty at best today

remind me never to play 5 games at once again pls

I think I'm caught up, and I'm just gestating. There's a lot of one-off votes this day 1 which is going to make it a rando Where's Waldo sort of vote off, I can tell.

No one has mentioned me at all in like 10 pages. which is exactly how I like it it's not like I've said a lot anyway.

I'll be looking at low posters today, per usual. I'm calling the kettle black in that regard, but RL's gonna be RL.

SokothQultuq wrote:I'm so freaking confused..... I donno what's going on... ::head to desk...head to desk...::

I'm not voting you because you're new. But this post does nothing for me, or you, or anyone with a last name, and I would probably vote you on this day 1 if you weren't new.

Silverwolf wrote:

S~V~S wrote: Ithink you are infuriating Rico becasue he is cornered,tbh. And don't vote me let me at least get started.

This is not a terrible point.

I hate being indecisive.

What does anyone think of Epi? He's usually more involved as town.

Epi is surprisingly in my list as a low poster, which is downright strange for him. I think that his attitude exudes something I would like to call "Epithy." He could very well be scum here

Of the lowest low-posters, Dfaraday looks like the most suspicious to me:

DFaraday wrote:So say we all

The game started 12 hours ago and we're up to 8 pages already? This is gonna be a long game.

The game started over 36 hours ago and we're up to 16 pages now. And nothing from DFaraday besides this.

Oh, also Black Rock still hasn't checked in. If she doesn't, I'm voting her. If she does, depending, I'll assess her and either vote her or DFaraday as it stands. We'll see if either bother to show up to the space party

Ricochet wrote:Also, can we look into one of my earliest in-game points, which was about MetalMarsh89 locking a vote early on with zero argumentation, to which he has thus far added nothing but fluff and banter?

My favorite was his explanation akin to "I wanted to vote you in another game so here it is" and even more lol-able is Epi's lay down of "oh, no problem then!" Epi even labels Mm as town after that, if I recall. What the frak, Helo!

Ricochet wrote:

Scotty wrote:

Ricochet wrote:Also, can we look into one of my earliest in-game points, which was about MetalMarsh89 locking a vote early on with zero argumentation, to which he has thus far added nothing but fluff and banter?

My favorite was his explanation akin to "I wanted to vote you in another game so here it is" and even more lol-able is Epi's lay down of "oh, no problem then!" Epi even labels Mm as town after that, if I recall. What the frak, Helo!

wut

Yeah, that banter came roughly 24 hours after he voted.

I heard that saying somewhere. Isn't that from the show?

Yeah, MM seemed like he made up a reason but thought really long and hard about it after. Like deploying a nuke and then contemplating his choice as New York is blown to smithereens.

ika wrote:Scotty-need more i find him a little more on the scum side for ~reasons~

Sometimes cookies go missing from the pantry but that doesn't mean I'm gonna start suspecting the vacuum cleaner.

Ricochet wrote:Also, what is null scum?

Null scum. Can't you read?

ika wrote:

Scotty wrote:

ika wrote:Scotty-need more i find him a little more on the scum side for ~reasons~

Sometimes cookies go missing from the pantry but that doesn't mean I'm gonna start suspecting the vacuum cleaner.

god you liek firebringer...... you make that kind of post that i have to town read....

Long Con wrote:

S~V~S wrote:I just went into my other game and that is the one that ends before I get home not this one. I should be home in more than enough time for this poll.

Long Con wrote: Epi is bad and MM is not.

Rico is probably Civ.

Tell me what I am missing. I feel fairly good about both Epi & MM, but not Rico.

I dunnno, just gut reads. Feel great about the Epi one for some reason.

ika, when I play with Black Rock, I specifically avoid discussing her for at least a few days, because she's my wife. I suggest you and Silverwolf give it a try, I'm so over seeing 100 posts between the two of you on Day 1 frankly.

Hey LC, what's your opinion on Black Rock so far?

sig wrote:The above posts has lots of emoticons.

Nah jk I see you as a civ this game sig.

Which means...

I just wanna run away and live with you forever in a golden palace. I'll buy you flowers and chocolate I'd walk a 1000 miles across the plains of Mordor without any shoes or socks just to see your smile one more time. I'd rip out someones heart and present it to you on a golden platter of ivory tusks.

That's not how the song "Gonna Be" goes.

sig wrote:

Scotty wrote:

I just wanna run away and live with you forever in a golden palace. I'll buy you flowers and chocolate I'd walk a 1000 miles across the plains of Mordor without any shoes or socks just to see your smile one more time. I'd rip out someones heart and present it to you on a golden platter of ivory tusks.

That's not how the song "Gonna Be" goes.

I'm ad libbing it. :P


Also LC/Scotty since you're both here, can I have some reads? What do you think of SVS, Rico, and Ika.

I don't usually like throwing around reads, especially this early in the game without a lynch result.

SVS: null
Rico: I don't know how Rico behaves when he's bad. But his stubbornness to adhere to the rules reminds me more of a gestapo than a grandpa. If ya get my drift. Slightly scummy. Would like more content on other people rather than just defending himself.
Ika: I'll wait for Silver to give her opinion. He seems demonstrative, but I have No reason to suspect him yet

Long Con wrote:

sig wrote:God it was a joke.

Since my post had so many faces. Like I usually don't put so many. I think LC might be mafia, he is setting me up like mafia LC will do sometimes and that isn't very nice. :P

I didn't set you up, sig, you set yourself up.

In classic sig fashion.
I do think dog is good though

a2thezebra wrote:

Golden wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I believe that every player in this game is a civilian except for Golden, and that we have to carefully lynch and nightkill players in the proper order to gain ourselves a chance at eliminating Golden.

That would be kind of awesome, no?

Sure- we could start in alphabetical order if you wish

SokothQultuq wrote:I think I'll chime in here as I've also seen the show. There was a special one I think that was called "The Plan" or something like that (its been a while). It was what the Cylons planned to do after the failed mass extermination of the human race of the 12 colonies to try and finish the job.

Just a thought.

Cool. Thanks for the thought.

Do yo have any thoughts on the people playing the game?

At this time, I need to make a vote and since I'm not sold on any one person and its day 1, im going with the most suspicious low poster, and that is DFaraday. He has given no other reason for being absent and has given nothing to the thread.

Voting DFaraday.

Matt wrote:

Scotty wrote:At this time, I need to make a vote and since I'm not sold on any one person and its day 1, im going with the most suspicious low poster, and that is DFaraday. He has given no other reason for being absent and has given nothing to the thread.

Voting DFaraday.

I know you do this every game but it bugs me.

Why? I think it is a much more tactful way to go about day 1's in which we know nothing and typecast everything. And it might even catch scum.

Vompatti wrote:k

We're done guessing letters for the cipher, but thanks for playing

Matt wrote:

Scotty wrote:

Matt wrote:

Scotty wrote:At this time, I need to make a vote and since I'm not sold on any one person and its day 1, im going with the most suspicious low poster, and that is DFaraday. He has given no other reason for being absent and has given nothing to the thread.

Voting DFaraday.

I know you do this every game but it bugs me.

Why? I think it is a much more tactful way to go about day 1's in which we know nothing and typecast everything. And it might even catch scum.

Well, for this game in particular, there's over 750 posts and you just voted someone based...

on

one

post.

Seriously.

I'm a person that votes partly on gut and mainly on concrete info, like voting records.

I don't know who was bad, but I will most likely (I think?) learn the alignment of the lynched party.

You don't see me judging you on your tinfoil idea Luke Skywalker is secretly a toaster or whatever.

So say we all.

I was behind 10 pages, but am caught up. Holy shit I missed a lot.

A couple things:
EPI IS SCUM AND MUST DIE.
Or the alternate version:
Epi is a confirmed cylon, and may or may not have a nefarious win con, if the character follows the show trajectory at all, and some human win cons might require all cylons to be dead, while some are not as specifically all-inclusive.

I do not think Epi should be lynched tomorrow if this resurrection ship is destroyed. I think the chances of him being resurrected again are too high. It would probably serve us better to look for more scum.

I'm taking everything Epi says with a grain of salt. I do think he has information that he is withholding.

I'm not buying that Nutella "would have voted Epi" if she were around. That seems like a bullshit brownnosing, though there is no way to know.

I still have a hankering to kill DFaraday. His post(s?) after i voted seemed too calm and does nothing to persuade me.

I think indiglo has information that helped us here. It seems she knows more than she's letting on, and while I appreciate the legwork she's been doing on lore, I find the timing of the wiki article and "resurrection ship" article right after the night post...convenient. I'm not saying she's bad, but I am saying I feel that she knows more than she's letting on.



Talking about this battleship dynamic:

I don't know about you guys, but I'm more on the cautious approach to this. Ika seems like the type of person that would dare you to play Russian roulette with him and a gun filled with 5/6 bullets. So sure is he about everything, he seems very town. But a dangerous town, since he leads by impulse without a leash. I do not want to lynch a civ, but would caution that having one viewpoint over a long period of time can grow taxing and halt discussion. I'm just suggesting having an open mind, and try not to rush into things.

Rushing into things.

You guys read that Kat and Kit or whatever his name is can

die

right? We don't know anything about the odds of them dying, or really anything cornering anything. What if they both die? Then no one with the right expertise can destroy the ship. Or not. I dunno. So to just rush in naming quadrants because it's there doesn't seem like the most prudent course of action. It's like branding your face on a waffle iron because you can't afford a professional tattoo, and Mike Tyson did it.


If anyone has any information concerning this Battleship setup, I would suggest coming out with it sooner rather than later.

If the group does decide to just keep sending in civilians into danger without any qualms, then so be it. We have til may 11th ~ 11:30pm est to destroy the ship. At that point I would contemplate lynching Epi.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Scotty wrote:You guys read that Kat and Kit or whatever his name is can

die

right? We don't know anything about the odds of them dying, or really anything cornering anything. What if they both die? Then no one with the right expertise can destroy the ship. Or not. I dunno. So to just rush in naming quadrants because it's there doesn't seem like the most prudent course of action. It's like branding your face on a waffle iron because you can't afford a professional tattoo, and Mike Tyson did it.

Do you have any alternative suggestions to "just rushing into quadrants"?

I was wondering if anyone had any more info on the matter.

And actually, I would not have started in the top left. I've played many a game of battleship and while this is not battleship, it is a placement game. And I wouldn't let golden to be someone to place the one ship (if there is one) on the top left quadrant.
I would be starting on the bottom right and going up diagonally. In the end it's random, but if I were the host here, I would have either placed a ship assymmetrically in either lower left or right quadrant, or right up along the edge on the bottom. Because the instinctive thing that most people do- and which we're currently doing- is to go in order left-right-down.

Or I could be completely wrong and Golden just placed it in the top section. Battleship is a game of blind chance anyway, so who really knows.

That's why i would have waited for someone to come out and say something if they knew something that could serve as an advantage.

S~V~S wrote:(snipped)
Linki @ Scotty; the host has told us than many roles have secrets. Why are you working on the assumption that someone knowing secrets is automatically bad?

Where did I say I assumed secret holders were bad?

Ricochet wrote:

Long Con wrote:Cool plan, but we need to flip it around somehow... we can't follow just one person's plan to the letter, because that person (you) could be the guy that is a Cylon and KNOWS where the ship is, and is deliberately charting a path that avoids it.

I agree with this sentiment, thing is this odd-even path is supposed to go through all sectors eventually... unless there's a deadline (seriously, what's the deal with May 11th)? On the contrary, if we give any freedom to players choosing the sector on the spur of the moment, then baddies might find opportunity to manipulate. So we need a rigid system that no one can stray off from, right?

I say May 11th because that is when the next lynch poll will be closed, and if we destroy the resurrection ship before then, we could actually be killing cylons as opposed to watching them world war z our ass

S~V~S wrote:@ Scotty, I corrected it one post later, "suspicious" would be a better word than "automatically bad".

You said that re Indiglo, and tbh she is one of the people I feel pretty good about.

Gotcha. This linki is killing me. These days I just post instead of reading everything that happens after I write because it doesn't stop. "Post"TraumaticStressDisorder, ya dig?
I do want to trust her. And she's supplying useful info. I'm wondering what other info she has, hutnam keeping her cautiously null for now.

Linki @sig: wtf is "controlled random guessing"?

No, the picks started on A1, so the prime optimal guessing strategy at this point would have to be diagonal spacing from there. Imagine the grid is a checkerboard and A1 is white. Any white space would be fair game.

This is assuming we're not just searching for a 1x1 square ship. In which case...

So as indiglo has nicely pointed out, I would say any of the underlined is fair game.

A1 A2 A3 A4 A5 A6
B1 B2 B3 B4 B5 B6
C1 C2 C3 C4 C5 C6
D1 D2 D3 D4 D5 D6
E1 E2 E3 E4 E5 E6
F1 F2 F3 F4 F5 F6

indiglo wrote:

sig wrote:So say we all!

Can we not just send off out pilots without a thought, this seems really stupid since they CAN DIE! To just start randomly doing it seems not very smart?

So do we think Epi is mafia or what?

I re-read what Admiral Goldama posted about that, because I was worried about Kat and Hot Dog too.

He said they are ONLY at risk of dying IF they find and destroy the Rezz Ship. That's it.

Cool- thank you for clarifying.

I say fire away then, boys

indiglo wrote:

sig wrote:

Long Con wrote:So say we all!

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

sig wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:Actually JJJ-I can tell you I don't like MM's vote on Epi for joke reasons in a game he should know the votes are not changeable.

If Epignosis is a cylon then I would be willing to entertain MM as a team mate. That's something for later though.

Maybe you're a teammate of Epi setting up MM to be lynched tomorrow.

Go ahead and accuse me of that if Epi flips as a cylon. I don't care right now.

Thoughts on this now, sig?

Well I didn't expect Epi to flip as mafia, and he might not have? I think it is possibly, I think setting up lynches like that is something mafia members would do, but I guess we will see if JJJ goes after MM know. JJJ answer though is very odd, I'll be keeping my eye on him. I also notice he gave an excuse for why he wouldn't be super town this game, could he have done this as mafia to avoid suspicion?

I agree. Something is feeling way off with JJJ to me as well this game. He's not as careful, or detail oriented.

My first experience with him was as Prisoner 509 in Turf Wars, but he was a bastion of accuracy, detail and context. Here he is... none of those things.

He did say he was changing his play this game with knowledge of his role, which definitely raised a few eyebrows including my own

@Golden

Do we have to wait to choose a quadrant until after your confirmation post from our precious decision, or may we go by the counter on the 6 hour from the last decision?

Ricochet wrote:I am 0% in agreement of switching to random picks. It has to be a clear pattern.

Rando meaning within the underlined picks. I could get behind this approach, as it's still strategically viable

As an addendum to my question- i actually don't think we should just pick a quadrant before getting a confirmation anyway, in case we get a hit and can't go back to change our pick

Long Con wrote:Goldama: send the sortie to square D5 please.

So say we all.

Ricochet wrote:Guy who says we should be wary for manipulation literally goes Leroy Jenkins on us, what the fraking frak!

If this doesn't hit, LC's ass is grass.
If it does, he has had info and has kept it quiet for some reason.

Ricochet wrote:I hope the Host seriously doesn't allow this, based on we establishing a queue of authorised volunteers, not Mr. Looney Coen over here.

indi, call it in, after the Host gives the result on A3 (if we have to wait for it), or call it in, when it's time.

Well I guess we'll get an answer to my question either way..

Long Con wrote:

Scotty wrote:

Ricochet wrote:Guy who says we should be wary for manipulation literally goes Leroy Jenkins on us, what the fraking frak!

If this doesn't hit, LC's ass is grass.
If it does, he has had info and has kept it quiet for some reason.

But both of those are bad for me!

This is fun, you guys are so serious about this. Your square and my square have equal chance of finding the ship.

In what manner of civilized team could you be seen as a positive contributor? You're the guy that sneaks in to a carefully crafted 30-minute 4th of July firework show and sets it off at the same time, remarking "well, it was all gonna blow up eventually anyway!"

lol we don't even know if A3 hit yet or not.

juliets wrote:Am i right that Vompatti and ika's sorties don't count because it hasn't been 6 hours from LC's sortie? Or am I confused.

Correct. And we're still awaiting confirmation if LC's rando pick counts as well

indiglo wrote:

ika wrote:Anyways heading home now that Imoff work I can cover the next 2 days worth of cycles

NO. Do not do this please. Stick to the schedule, for you have already screwed up the next cycle.

Lord-a-mercy, is this all in Chinese???

Sorry, I don't speak Klingon

I'm expectin some dank dank host post that details the ship had been blown up with A3.
Das rite.

Long Con wrote:Well, indi, I was the only one posting at the appointed minute. It seems as though that should be the MOST important thing, because although the mission times can slip, lynch times may not. If I or anyone else is present at the appointed minute, then that person should just give the next planned coordinates. It doesn't matter WHO gives them, as much as making sure they are on as tight a schedule as possible.

Linki: ika nailed it exactly. It's not about being polite, it's about being prompt.

It's also about working as a team. I still don't agree with you selecting out of the checkerboard pattern. That seems like a major tactical mistake unless you know something.

Golden wrote:For everyone's notice.

Talking about what your win condition is, is considered infodumping and against the rules.

If my win condition was that I needed Dom dead, I should pursue Dom's death and feel free not to compromise on it. I should not imply that I need Dom dead to satisfy my win condition.

To this end, please also do not ask people what their win conditions are. They are not permitted to tell you.

Win cons are secret because they are intended to be secret.

Golden, what's your win condition?

So say we all.

RIP ika! See ya in another galaxy!

bea wrote:

Scotty wrote:At this time, I need to make a vote and since I'm not sold on any one person and its day 1, im going with the most suspicious low poster, and that is DFaraday. He has given no other reason for being absent and has given nothing to the thread.

Voting DFaraday.

you should quit d1 voting df for low posting.

at this point - it's as null as if I randomed or of MM self voted.

No I will not. It's not just a vendetta against DF or the low posting. It's a mix of what he posts and what he doesn't post. I found him the shadiest of the low posters for his lack of usefulness to the thread or letting us know where he was or what he was going. It was one post, I know, but just from the tone of that one post on a day 1, I didn't like it. Sorry you don't agree with my day 1 voting strategy.I'm sure your vote was more informed.

nutella wrote:So Say We All!

RIP ika iywg. The conscription thing is intriguing :hmmm:

This post has less content in it than my checking account, and daddy needs new shoes.

Ricochet wrote: [snipped]
It is almost my opinion that Silverwolf is likely civilian, because of meta. As far as I understand, she would only remove ika if he would have read her bad (which according to his claims, he would have been able to do so within 2-4 pages of this game). Plus, at no point did she gave me the impression that she'd find it conceivable to trick ika, as a baddie, with the exact town tells that ika would expect of her. If Epig wants to recap or state further his lynch case on her, I'm open to hear it, but I'm starting to envision their antagonism as civ-civ, at the moment.

The fact that Epi came out swinging for Silver after his flip made me really pause. If Epi is not aligned with the bad cylons (if there is a difference) this could be a suspicion with merit. Why didn't Epi go after ika, who so valiantly stuck his sword in the proverbial stone of cylon innocence? Silver agreed with ika, but wasn't as outwardly flippant about it, maybe in more soft defending ika.

I wouldn't expect an ika NK as something Silver would do unless ika was gunning for her- he was in her pocket, so to lose him would not be a good take for her. Epi may just be wrong in his assumption.

BUT I can see Rico killing ika to quell the beast (since they both had opposing viewpoints) and Silver allowing Rico to kill ika in an attempt to get him on his back. If Silver is on a different side than ika, I wouldn't put it past her to kill him before he figures out her game.

I see Rico worse in the scenario, because I still want to believe Silver is good.

Ricochet wrote:[snipped]
2.2. I also noted bea taking a stance on Scotty's vote for DFaraday the other day and I incline to side with her. DF's low activity is certainly no uncharacteristic trait of his and his catchup posts are as generic and unpingworthy as I'd expect from other Syndicate members. Usually when the thread goes rollercoaster mode early on in the game, such members will just not how much of an issue it is to try to catch up. Of course, DFaraday is more then welcome to shift gears right now, but his Day 1, from my perspective, was benign and I would question Scotty why he handpicked DF out of several other lowposters.

I've caught DFaraday before on little more than this, and, again, his 1 post did nothing to make me feel good about him. I don't feel like I have to explain this choice with no concrete info, but I can elaborate if that will make you feel better.

Ricochet wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Post game it is fair game, but ongoing is not, imo. If you avoid mentioning it specifically, like say "I have see X do this when bad"; without saying where you saw it, that should be fine, though.

Ok.

I have seen Zebra appeal to meta in her hunts when bad. It only heightens my perception that her voting BR in Day 1 based on meta was a bit shoddy. It only heightens my perception that she might be bad.

I do not rely much at all on meta. There are some things that remind me of the way they played previously, but I find that it is not always an evidential reasoning for alignment. In this game, I'm actually leaning civ on zebra.

Ricochet wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Post game it is fair game, but ongoing is not, imo. If you avoid mentioning it specifically, like say "I have see X do this when bad"; without saying where you saw it, that should be fine, though.

Ok.

I have seen Zebra appeal to meta in her hunts when bad. It only heightens my perception that her voting BR in Day 1 based on meta was a bit shoddy. It only heightens my perception that she might be bad.

Whatchu talkin bout, Willis? He was scheduled to go at that time, and picked a spot in the checkerboard pattern. Sounds like he did his job.

Unlike you, Premature Perry.

Vompatti wrote:I wouldn't mind covering them openings if you know what I mean.

:

Vompatti wrote:D12

Long Con wrote:

Vompatti wrote:It would help if we knew what shape the ship is.

I get that some of you are treating this as a game of Battleship, thinking that perhaps the ship is 4 squares long, and we need to hit it four times on those four adjacent squares to kill it. I get that, and that's why checkerboard.

I do not think it's Battleship. I think the rez ship is in one sector alone. I think this because... these are sectors of space!! Like, big. Imagine a ship that's the size of our solar system - that's the kind of thing I would imagine taking up four squares. It's insane! The ship is a large ship that resides in a super-exponentially larger sector of space.

And yes, this is a game and these quasi-'laws of reality' don't have to apply. If Golden wanted it to be a Battleship game, then it's cool despite grinding at my sense of scale and reality.

This...actually makes sense.

Makes me wonder if the checkerboard pattern starting from A1 was thunked up by a cylon that knows the ship isn't located in the underlined pattern, thus giving them more time to be invincible...

DrumBeats wrote:So Say We All!

So wait, we do not get to know the identity of those killed? That's going to be a pain moving forward.

Yes. Are you curious about whom you NK'd hmmmmmm?