The Syndicate

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

indiglo wrote:toaster sympathizers

indiglo, will you join me in referring to the baddies as "toasters" for the remainder of the game? I'm inspired.

Matt wrote:

juliets wrote:I don't know who these "toasters" are because I've never seen the show. Can someone give me an explanation?

Ping!

in the time it took juliets to say this, she could've googled "battlestar galactica" and "toasters" and probably come up with the answer herself. Hrm.

But right now, my FoS (as people have called it) is squarely on RicoTech.

juliets wrote:Thanks SVS for providing the reasoning.

SokothQultuq wrote:I'm so freaking confused..... I donno what's going on... ::head to desk...head to desk...::

Matt wrote:Rico...

Gaius and Six...

You think they're opposite factions? Thinking about it, I'd wager they're neutral teamies who can win with anyone.

Matt wrote:Lol.

For real, though, I don't see Gaius and Six being on opposite factions, and I don't see Athena being a "bad guy".

Long CoI

Long Con wrote:I hated that betraying bastard.

Speaking of which, I know you can't take back your vote now LC, but what is your opinion on all this? Do you believe humans can be mafia, and that Cylons can beIcivvie? Do you believe Felix Gaeta is a civvie in this game?

ika wrote:

S~V~S wrote:
In all sincerity & with respect, could you let us learn to get our own reads on the two of you? This is literally all you talk about, ika. We are smart people, we will figure it out.

are you saying im dumb? as for sorting her, you guys can, you jsut have to be quicker then me on sorting her, i sort her first in any game in 3-5 pages when we play together. i mean i have leaned off on shouting it so much but i will still make her my first read

ika wrote:

S~V~S wrote:
In all sincerity & with respect, could you let us learn to get our own reads on the two of you? This is literally all you talk about, ika. We are smart people, we will figure it out.

are you saying im dumb? as for sorting her, you guys can, you jsut have to be quicker then me on sorting her, i sort her first in any game in 3-5 pages when we play together. i mean i have leaned off on shouting it so much but i will still make her my first read

ika wrote:

S~V~S wrote:
In all sincerity & with respect, could you let us learn to get our own reads on the two of you? This is literally all you talk about, ika. We are smart people, we will figure it out.

are you saying im dumb? as for sorting her, you guys can, you jsut have to be quicker then me on sorting her, i sort her first in any game in 3-5 pages when we play together. i mean i have leaned off on shouting it so much but i will still make her my first read

ika wrote:

S~V~S wrote:
In all sincerity & with respect, could you let us learn to get our own reads on the two of you? This is literally all you talk about, ika. We are smart people, we will figure it out.

are you saying im dumb? as for sorting her, you guys can, you jsut have to be quicker then me on sorting her, i sort her first in any game in 3-5 pages when we play together. i mean i have leaned off on shouting it so much but i will still make her my first read

ika wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

ika wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

ika wrote:the rest i mostly agree.

@rico, ifs funny that you dont know null scum if you have been more then 4 years

What are you talking about?

Is it that hard to explain a mashup of two concepts, namely null and scum?

you said you played more then me, that would mean you have been playing more then 4 years.

someone said that they have been playing longer then me

null scum is null scum

Silverwolf wrote:

Long Con wrote:

S~V~S wrote:I just went into my other game and that is the one that ends before I get home not this one. I should be home in more than enough time for this poll.

Long Con wrote: Epi is bad and MM is not.

Rico is probably Civ.

Tell me what I am missing. I feel fairly good about both Epi & MM, but not Rico.

I dunnno, just gut reads. Feel great about the Epi one for some reason.

ika, when I play with Black Rock, I specifically avoid discussing her for at least a few days, because she's my wife. I suggest you and Silverwolf give it a try, I'm so over seeing 100 posts between the two of you on Day 1 frankly.

To be honest, I am not taking this personally, but I get very tired of every game getting this crap. I personally find, if we try to get reads, etc that it can be helpful and I don't appreciate these kind of comments in response to it. I'm sure you didn't mean to be offensive, it's just that we see this shit a lot and I don't see the reason we are getting this kind of attitude. It reminds me of elitist players that think there is only one good way to play mafia and that ika and I need to avoid each other. It's the same shit when ika gets comments about his typos. I think people should be more open to other types of play.

If you don't like it, I can assure you, it won't be a problem going forward since we are not going to play together outside of hydra, after this game. This is because of how hard it is for ika to play scum against me and NK me.

So you guys will just have to suffer for one more game and deal with it.

Matt wrote:For those of you who haven't seen the show...

Every episode starts with the intro, and during the intro there are title cards that read...

"The cylons were created by man. They evolved. They rebelled. There are many copies. And they have a plan."

After the series ended, the creators came out with a movie called "Battlestar Galactica: The Plan" which was an interquel of sorts to the show, showing us the POV of the Cylons during the first few seasons.

For some reason, 3J capitalizing PLAN makes me feel uneasy. I can totes see Golden giving the baddies a challenge "one of you must capitalize the word PLAN in one of your posts on Day one" or some such.

*sigh* Rereading this, it does look like Matt talk.

What does everyone else think?

Nerolunar wrote:I will be going to bed soon, so Im going to place my vote.

Vote ObscureAllure

Scotty wrote:At this time, I need to make a vote and since I'm not sold on any one person and its day 1, im going with the most suspicious low poster, and that is DFaraday. He has given no other reason for being absent and has given nothing to the thread.

Voting DFaraday.

Matt wrote:

Scotty wrote:At this time, I need to make a vote and since I'm not sold on any one person and its day 1, im going with the most suspicious low poster, and that is DFaraday. He has given no other reason for being absent and has given nothing to the thread.

Voting DFaraday.

I know you do this every game but it bugs me.

Silverwolf wrote:If votes were changeable, I'd policy vote nutella for attacking ika the way she is. It pisses me off.

SokothQultuq wrote:Humm...

Null meaning nothing or zero... Means that they are inferring that they are Not Scum? LOLOL That is most fascinating to me. This banter that continues to go on and on to distract people away from the topic at hand seems awfully suspicious to me. Lots of good arguments and stuff mixed in with what appears to be a bunch of cross comms chatter... Very nicely done. Please continue, as confusing as this seems it is entertaining and enlightening.

Looks like the popular vote is leaning very slowly towards Epignosis. Why would Silverwolf and Metalmarsh be so certain?

Silverwolf wrote:

Ricochet wrote: On a personal level, I am dispirited and find it profoundly disagreeable that he won't reason his read/scumcall and he won't clarify what he's labelling me as. I don't tend to accept that from anybody, so I don't see why ika should be the big exception. I don't demand Pulitzer case-making, re: his idea of any case he'd make being "shitty" - although if "shitty" would stand for his reasoning being weaksauce, isn't that self-defeating?

Usually, this resistance to offer a decent reasoning for a read would earn anyone scumpings from me... yet I confess that my perception is becoming tampered by the eternal ika-reads-silver and silver-reads-ika business. I see no signs of either having doubts about their townreads and past games point to this thing usually checking out. He claims he'd stay frak clear of Silver if scum and I see no sign of him finding it even remotely conceivable the thought of cheating your way by the doing the exact thing the other would expect, so... what do I know?

The only distant thought in the back of my head is the variant of both ika and silverwolf being bad, for which I don't recall them ever providing esoteric meta on what happens. If that's in any way true, I could see a lot of linking in them tag teaming to suss the frak out of me.

OK Ricochet, I feel bad about this. Null Scum, from my understanding, is the same as null town. I null town people when their posts don't ping as scum at all, and they've given too much content to be null. I can't quite call them town yet but am leaning that way. Null scum is similar. You've posted too much and put too much into the thread to be null. But, some of your posts ping scummy. Therefore you are leaning scum which is the same as null leaning scum-null scum. I use this when I put people between null and scum. I don't want anyone to be dispirited over ika doing this. I would explain why I think he's doing it but I don't know for sure and don't want to give away some meta tells I have on him quite yet.

Also, regarding us being bad together-it has never happened. I would guess, we'd defend each other still and maybe even buddy each other like we do as town. I'd love to be scum with him sometime. I think we'd have fun.

While we usually read each other correctly, I understand how it is frustrating to think he assumes I wouldn't play differently to try to fool him. It's not that I wouldn't, it's just that it would be more difficult for me to interact with him as scum, because I'd have a guilty conscience and I'd probably still do so, but not quite as much if I could get away with it. I'd be active though because if I wasn't, he'd catch me on inactivity.

Hope this helps.

Epignosis wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Silverwolf, you cast an immutable vote against me on a day I was mostly unavailable, yet you are here now and could have saved your vote until this time to hear what I had to say. Why did you not do that?

Because you hadn't been around and barely posted and iirc, you didn't say you were not going to be here due to RL (if I'm wrong, correct me here) so I had not way of knowing you'd be back. At the time, I felt you were not contributing and I know via Downtown Abby and Turf Wars that you contribute more as town so I felt comfortable with the vote because of this and because I had no better scumread as I was (and still am) doubting my scumread on Rico as I may be changing my mind on that and want more time to figure him out.

linki-I put a second vote on you. Not exactly bandwagoning and I waited until late today to do so.

You seem to have almost no problem with MM's vote. In fact, you accepted it with very little fuss. You also seem to have no trouble with ika following me. I don't really understand how you so easily accept their votes, and call out mine.

I didn't know what I wasn't going to be here due to real life. I didn't have plans. I found out about an impromptu Mothers Day cookout across town rather last minute. We've been gone all day. It's Mothers Day weekend. Do you really expect me to sit here at my computer playing an Internet game?

I don't have a problem with MM's vote. His Day 1 vote is always bullshit and there's a new victim every time. This time it's me. Evidently, you think you know more about what I do when I'm this or that, but you don't know what MM does. That's telling. You didn't question his weird vote for me. Instead, you followed him.

I don't have a problem with ika's vote (?) because he's just following you, which I think he would do regardless of where you voted.

I have a problem with your vote.

ika wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:Actually Epi trying to discredit me reminds me of Turf Wars where he was bad and did that constantly.

You voted for me. Am I say, "Oh yes, please listen to Silverwolf! She's always right!"

Get out of here with that.

considering he has called out the scum team in turf, the scum team in champ, as well as narroing two scums quickly in downtoan abbey. i find that what your trying to pull to be laughable

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

ika wrote:

Black Rock wrote:
I was just trying to help with another perspective from someone who has played with him longer.

golden said the same thing about MP in champ game calling him town. MP was scum

I think this is a valid point, because there is a growing list of examples of "I've known this player for years and trust my ability to read him/her" proving disastrously wrong in recent memory. If I limit it just to The Syndicate:

Talking Heads: Non-Syndicate regulars are heavily suspicious of Long Con. Syndicate regulars defend Long Con because they know him better. Long Con is mafia.
Talking Heads: Syndicate regulars are heavily suspicious of MacDougall. Non-Syndicate regulars defend MacDougall because they know him better. MacDougall is mafia.
Turf Wars: Newer Syndicateer is heavily suspicious of Epignosis. Syndicate regulars defend Epignosis because they know him better. Epignosis is mafia.

yes x 1000 but those wiggles of doubt are hard to combat. I know I contributed to lots of those failings. It's hard to not give your friends the BOTD.

Scrimmage: Newer Syndicateer and visiting players are heavily suspicious of MovingPictures07. Syndicate regulars defend MovingPictures07 because they know him better. MovingPictures07 is mafia.

We need to learn from this trend.

Black Rock wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I would absolutely loathe mislynching Epignosis on Day 1. I have always said that in all circumstances the most suspicious player should be lynched regardless of who or when. So with this stated:

Epignosis, if you're town then I don't think it's terribly likely you're going to change the mind of either Silverwolf or ika. To continue discussing it with them would be fruitless and perhaps even make it worse. So it'd probably be better both for your faction and for yourself if you'd drop that discussion and focus solely on your own suspicions and other reads. You've proven repeatedly to have good instincts and to be a valuable component of any civilian team, and I don't want to see that wasted.

That's funny that you had to tell Epig to do that. That's one of his first rules iirc. Change the discussion and accuse, don't get caught defending.

sig wrote:Wait a minute I'm a TS regular and constantlysometimes read both Epi and LC right.
Just like Turf Wars were I knew Epi was bad (lets not discus anything else I did that game unless I'm using it to defend myself) :P
And I was right about LC like three times when he was mafia so far.

I don't like that post from you JJJ I don't like it at all.

ika wrote:in regards to silvers RL issues, i can also atest to it. if her activities were to drop i would know and understand why.

and yes she is a mom of an amazing daughter so i know she was out most of the day

indiglo wrote:ISO results -

Polo's vote for LoRab was a mess up. He did not realize votes are non-changeable.

OA voted Polo for the mess up LoRab vote. She was camping and on a cell phone.

Although LC voted Matt, he also mentioned later he thinks Epi is also bad.



SW, I haven't voted yet because that's how non-changeable votes work. (At least to me, in my mind set.) It means I can gather all the info I have time to gather, and then finally, once I've gathered all that info (which I like to do for the entire day period if at all possible - if I'm going to be able to be here EoD) I make my vote. For me, it's dangerous to vote early in the day period with non-changeable votes, because something may happen to change my mind. Now, if I'm not sure I'll be here EoD, I'll definitely vote early to avoid missing the poll closing.

I'm actually seriously leaning Epi, unless something else comes up between now and then. I retain all of my normal, pre-lynch, Day 1 nerves, hesitation and fear.


Holy cow, the linki is strong!!

Silverwolf wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I would absolutely loathe mislynching Epignosis on Day 1. I have always said that in all circumstances the most suspicious player should be lynched regardless of who or when. So with this stated:

Epignosis, if you're town then I don't think it's terribly likely you're going to change the mind of either Silverwolf or ika. To continue discussing it with them would be fruitless and perhaps even make it worse. So it'd probably be better both for your faction and for yourself if you'd drop that discussion and focus solely on your own suspicions and other reads. You've proven repeatedly to have good instincts and to be a valuable component of any civilian team, and I don't want to see that wasted.

Changing their mind isn't my objective. They've already voted, and votes are not changeable.

Do you think a civilian Silverwolf would have waited for me to post? She voted for me way early in the day (judging by the fact that she was here a little while ago). Do you think a Sivilianwolf would follow MM's vote without questioning him about it instead of expecting me to do so?

That's the chief reason why I think Silverwolf is bad at this juncture. Her inability to keep my activity levels straight and her reasoning for suspecting me in other games (two, mind you) are secondary, but there.

Do I think Silverwolf would genuinely suspect you for the reasons she has stated?

Yes.

Do I think Silverwolf voted well earlier than she needed to and could have given you more time to respond to her accusations before placing a binding vote (particularly given her FoS strategies stated earlier)?

Yes.

Do I think it's meaningful that her vote followed MM's dubious vote without concern for that situation?

Yes.

Silverwolf, the latter two points apply to you. Please answer to them.

I voted Epi independently of MM's vote. I used my own reasoning.

I wasn't sure I would be around EoD or that Epi would and I didn't want to miss the vote. Epi was around some during this day phase and had plenty of opportunities to post more meaningful content when he was here. His posts underwhelmed me, then he was barely here. Then he discredits me when I suspect him but gives ika and MM a pass.

This is plenty good reason for a D1 vote. I don't see anyone else putting their neck out to take a vote/stance on anyone. Don't you find that odd also? I do.

Demonstrable bullshit.

You voted me 4:33 pm.

You posted in the five o'clock hour, the six o'clock hour, the eight o'clock hour, the nine o'clock hour, and you're here in the ten o'clock hour.

I don't give a flying fuck if you believe me. I was just diagnosed with cancer recently and have to go through chemo so fuck off!!

ika wrote:so epi is cylong number 8

if hes still alive im going right back to it

S~V~S wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:So say we all.

S~V~S wrote:How horrible

He wanted to die, and now he was rezzed? He is a rezzed baddie?

So say we all.

What makes you think he was rezzed as a baddie?

Isn't that role, Sharon Agaton,a baddie? She's a Cylon, right?

indiglo wrote:

DrumBeats wrote:This whole are all cylons bad vs are only some cylons bad thing is interesting. Personally, I believe that only some cylons are against us and others may very well be on our side because 12 scum seems to be too many, especially with one reviving herself right now.

In order to get a more complete town consensus, I would like to hear every person's thoughts on what we are up against tonight. If everybody provides an opinion, we may be able to figure it out as a group, and we will also have things to look back on about this and maybe reveal more depending on how people flip when they die.

My opinion - Epi's Cylon role is a pro-human/town/civ role. So I definitely do not think this game is as simple a set up as humans vs Cylons anymore. When I have a few more spare minutes (we are late getting to Game of Thrones tonight as it, but my sweetie is patient, thankfully) I'll try to do some more reading. I say we all check out that Wiki and try to figure out which Cylons could be pro-human, and which definitely aren't.

Also, let's remember, I don't think we can permanently kill ANY Cylon until the Rezz Ships are destroyed.

Matt wrote:Rico - Got any guesses for the secret role?

I'm gonna say The Hybrid.

Scotty wrote:

bea wrote:LC - so the whole sortie thing kinda reminded me of the Talking Heads game where LC came out with a junk case on me. It was junk. It was such junk that I actually defended him when he was all "Oh, it was just a joke." I said no way would bad LC make a case THAT lame against me. The RYM peeps weren't having any of that and lynched him anyway. Lo and behold - he was bad and for the next two cycles everyone was convinced I was the second part of a gambit that I totally wasn't a part of. His kill all cylons stance gives me some pause though. I can't see a bad cylon having that store of attitude.

Ah, but I think on the contrary: if there are separate alignments within the cylon ranks, I can definitely see a baddie cylon talking with this viewpoint for Cred. Because maybe there are cylons that are not working with Cavil, for instance. Those cylons would need to be eliminated. So losing someone like Epi, for instance, looks human but can actually have nefarious intentions

Matt wrote:

Scotty wrote:

Matt wrote:Linki - I can't explain why, but I suddenly want to lynch Scotty with a vengeance. I may rethink that in a few min, we'll see. Hrm.

Matt wrote: Nvm on Scotty...I think.

Scotty, are you a fan of the show or no?

What changed your mind so suddenly, Matticus?

And I'm as much a fan of this show as I am a Biochemist. I know nothing about biochemistry.

I overreacted to your statement about John, that's all.

I'm now overreacting to bea's statement about Cavil, as well, and I must calm down hahaha.

Bea - I think that could work. If Cylons can be recruited, tho, does that mean Epi is suddenly fair game again?

Epi - Not asking you to divulge but you have no idea who Helo or Boomer are, then?

Linki - Hrm. Scotty and bea are making me anxious. Haha.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:One point I'd like to throw out there that lore-knowers can contest or not:

It strikes me as unlikely that the alignment of characters in the show will entirely define the alignment of characters in this game. We have a mechanic in place that reveals players' characters, as has happened with Epignosis. If there's a consistent correlation between show alignment and game alignment, then wouldn't this mechanic eventually break the game?

Epignosis wrote:Here's another back and forth people joining us in ten pages will be complaining about.

a2thezebra wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Here's another back and forth people joining us in ten pages will be complaining about.

And people wonder why I can be reluctant to respond to them.

Inawordyes wrote:

bea wrote:Ina - people were in thread speculating about a replacement for you. Did you ask for one and I missed it? Out side of the shear volume of the posts is there something in the game that you are struggling with and it's hindering your involvement? Please feel free to post any questions you have. We really are a friendly group. Even when we are yelling at each other!

I did, Golden commented on it around ~850 posts in. Nothing in the game, I started a new job and don't have the time I did when I signed up, so I can't really be on, and I thought I had time over the weekend but then I was busy with other things and that was kinda the deciding factor. I can be well-active, I was in a game on MU that finished just before this one and I was fine, but having so many players and so many posts is preventing me from being able to keep up in the little time that I do have, and it's not fair to the town for me to get mislynched because I couldn't keep up to be able to contribute something worthwhile. So yeah haha, that's where I stand on that, as far as I know I am subbing out but I just wanted to answer you beforehand since you asked so that my replacement doesn't get unfairly suspected because of my absence which is not game-related. If that breaks a rule or something, I'll take the infraction haha.

Also, I realize that I missed it, so for the sake of it: So Say We All!

S~V~S wrote:

Black Rock wrote:So say we all

Epignosis wrote:

Black Rock wrote:I voted for Marmot because I don't like his game. I would have voted Epig out of Mercy but he will have enough. I hope he's bad. I just don't see it.

I'm not. But this game is crazy.

Indeed. I'm not even sure if we have a mafia team.

SVS, what would make you ask if he was rezzed a baddie?

If by show, several of the humans are the final five in the show and Cylons.

Athena was Cylon but not evil.

That is in respnse to several linkis

@bea, this is why I don't think BR is bad. She asked me this question less than a minute after my original reaction post.

If she was bad, I think she would not have asked a direct question like this of me. I always want to hear more from her, but I don't think she is bad.

Why do you? What am I missing?

Vompatti wrote:To be perfectly honest I think I might be part cylon part bicycle.

Spacedaisy wrote:Wilgy, I can't say I found him all that suspect since I was in the same position he was.

indiglo wrote:Welcome Doc McWiggles!

My volunteer gig tonight got cancelled due to tornadoes. I am fine, but I've already lost power, and it just came back on (miracle!). So I still feel like I should vote in case I lose power again, because the storms are not even close to over for the evening. Spring in tornado alley... ain't it grand! Makes me wish I were a storm chaser. But alas, I am not, and must stay home with my frightened pooch instead.
I am going to vote my conscience, and go with LC. I encourage others to vote their conscience, and then hope we get a good outcome. Nutella's defenses read genuine to me, but what do I know? (Wait, maybe don't answer that?)

*Votes LC*

Again, sincere apologies if I am wrong, and I am open to amending my opinion on you after hearing more from you. Also, nothing personal.



Just before I leave, I'll leave the sortie schedule, Scotty is up next, if he needs a reminder.

May 11, 11:49 pm EST - Scotty
May 12, 5:49 am EST - SVS
May 12, 11:49 am EST - G-Man
May 12, 5:49 pm EST - juliets
May 12, 11:49 pm EST - Bea
May 13, 5:49 am EST - SVS
May 13, 11:49 am EST -
May 13, 5:49 pm EST -
May 13, 11:49 pm EST -

A1 A2 A3 A4 A5 A6
B1 B2 B3 B4 B5 B6
C1 C2 C3 C4 C5 C6
D1 D2 D3 D4 D5 D6
E1 E2 E3 E4 E5 E6
F1 F2 F3 F4 F5 F6

Vompatti wrote:

bea wrote:

Vompatti wrote:To be perfectly honest I think I might be part cylon part bicycle.

Ado you have any feels good or bad toward any other player? Why or why not?

That's a bit of a personal question. *blushes*

Matt wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:I think the next time I draw scum on this site, I'll say I'm busy, barely post, say I'm trying to catch up once in awhile, then sit back and laugh as the town continues to defend me for not being here.

Yeah but if you do it we'll know you're obvi scum. Haha.

Btw did you realize that we were the potential btsc civs in Eloh's Downton game? We would've had so much fun, I think, supatown scum hunter and weird ideas guy, I'm buggin' we never got dat btsc!!

Cuz our civ BTS was so much fun in Epi's Dune game. "matt stfu!!!!" lol