The Syndicate

so there's like 160 pages here

would anyone be super nice and give me some basic cliffnotes?

Somewhere around page 25 in the catch-up that I probably won't ever finish.

For a lack of knowledge or better ideas, I'm gonna honor my predecessor's vote and stick with Glorfindel.

Matt wrote:A few notes...

Sokoth is really playing up the noob card by his "read" on Einstein. For realz.

Epi not insulting my question towards him immediately...is giving me the heebies.

Also, I'm not sure what to think of Glorf. He had a post (somewhere, yeesh) saying "I am civvie Glorf as always" (paraphrasing obvi) and I actually straight up believed it. HOWEVER...he hasn't claimed yet. And lots of people are thinking he's bad, so in honor of SilverWolf my vote is going to...

Glorfindel

Glorfindel

Whoops, I quoted the wrong thing. Here's what I meant to quote:

Dex wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:Somewhere around page 25 in the catch-up that I probably won't ever finish.

For a lack of knowledge or better ideas, I'm gonna honor my predecessor's vote and stick with Glorfindel.

Insert, this game has particular voting rules, the official vote is in the thread and not in the poll, and it must be posted in dead red. This is so Goldama can time-stamp the vote.

bea wrote:I'm confused again. Don't we want glor to be in the lead since he claimed today? So that we know his survival is because he claimed? Wasn't that like the reason some of us were putting pressure on people to claim in the first place?

I feel like I said the same thing last lynch and I think I'm even more confused today as to what people's motivations are.

voting glorbecause I thought that was the point of making him claim and because I'm stuck in linki

Do literal last minute votes count?

I for one, welcome our new cowardly playboy overlord.

I also have no idea what is happening, and am just sort of riding along and occasionally going "Wheee!"

It's pretty fun.

I feel like I've just walked into a movie theatre 2/3rd's of the way through the flick, but from what I've read since I've joined the game, I'd agree with the idea that sig/glorfindel (which is a fun name to type) do seem very similar to Baltar/Six. Enough so that it makes me kind of wary of going fully against them, just in case they are good and can help the civvies.

Ol' Weasely Wabbit is being extra Wabbity so far this game, enough to make me cock an eyebrow his way.

That being said, it'll probably take me a while to come up with any worthwhile theories, since I don't have any past knowledge and only half-understand the game at all. The most I'll be able to do is point at things and say "Yeah, I agree with that!"

So Say We All!

Epignosis: Civilian

DrWigly: Civilian

Glorfindel: Independent

I don't really have anything against the first two, and I think Glor is Caprica Six who has her own MO.

bea wrote:

Dex wrote:All Along the Watchtower.

there must be some way out of here....

NOPE NOPE NOPE

Ricochet wrote:Who has thoughts on INH? Anyone has a read or gut on him and his Day Six action? I for one am excited to be playing a game with such a mythical player. He hasn't posted much, in his time catching up, but I am sure he has the potential to contribute significantly.

Gee wilikers, I'm mythical now? When did that happen? To be honest, I'm probably notable for two things: Crazy Complicated Avant-Garde (no, not literally, that'd be MP) Games of Mafia, and Crazy Ballsy Gambits in Mafia Games, such as the "everybody wins" strategy in Oblique Strategies, and the "I have a magical program that tells me who's bad" stratagem from the first Game of Champions.

Not really known for my extensive case building, or mid mafia gameplay.

This middle bit of a mafia game that we currently seem to be in now is usually my least favorite part. It seems everything is based on deeply held grudges who often turn out to be civ on civ, and intense dissection of posts from a month ago. Everybody seems to be set in their ways as to who is bad, and they aren't really open to grand discussion, only confirmation of their own ideas and NO U'ing anybody who disagrees.

All that being said, I'm gonna have a hard time not voting for Glorfindel today. Yes, I think there's a very good chance he's Caprica Six, but there's still some definite ambiguity as to her motives, and I have some doubts that they line up with the civilian ones.

Also, I think that lynching Glorfindel would be the most educational move at this point. He's the new hot topic around here, and revealing his ultimate orientation would definitely shine some light on some personal motivations.

Glorfindel wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:All that being said, I'm gonna have a hard time not voting for Glorfindel today. Yes, I think there's a very good chance he's Caprica Six, but there's still some definite ambiguity as to her motives, and I have some doubts that they line up with the civilian ones.

Also, I think that lynching Glorfindel would be the most educational move at this point. He's the new hot topic around here, and revealing his ultimate orientation would definitely shine some light on some personal motivations.

And THIS is EXACTLY the reason why I have little hope that we can win this game The closest thing we have to a confirmed Townie in this game (in my opinion) doing EXACTLY what I've been warning against Can you people not read anything I say?

I looked over some of your recent posts and here's what I read:

Civilians are in a bad situation because we keep thinking that cylon = bad when really it's all very complicated and you have very specific info that would stop us from lynching you but if you reveal it you'll get modkilled and anyone who thinks you're deflecting is simply not listening to you.

(Also, how am I a confirmed townie? Did I miss something?)

So in this scenario, Laura Roslin, Billy Keikeya, and Gaius Baltar head the mafia while Cavil and Doral are actually pro-town.

For anyone who has seen the show, this seems utterly absurd.

I don't want to "blind people with lore," but Golden has tried to be faithful to the show in most aspects of the game, and making a seemingly random smattering of people actually mafia and ignoring everything from the actual show doesn't seem like something he'd do.

so there's this ilsand, okay? and these people all crash on it on like a plane becuase a dude doesnt pressa button and becaue a superpower dude wants to make another superpower dude so they can defeat another superpower dudewho can turn into a smake monster and also dead people and also theres a group of people already living on the island called the others but their whole power structure is really weird so well just ignore that and the entire thing is actually a prequel to what the show is really about: the afterlife which includes vague meansingless quasi-christian symbolism and everybody gets together in a christian church which is weird because the afterlife in this doesnt really have anything to do with christianity and also theres like a muslim dude who should be like woah, why aren't we like in a mosque or some shit but just ignore that and then this one dude's dad opens the doors of the church and the show ends

also: polar bears

Glorfindel wrote:My patience with you all is at an end

The feeling's mutual.

*votes Glorfindel*

Dex wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:

Glorfindel wrote:My patience with you all is at an end

The feeling's mutual.

*votes Glorfindel*

In Dead Red, please, Insert.

*votes Glorfindel*

So say we all!

So, how much do you think we can trust these messages from the beyond?

ObscureAllure wrote:So both sig and Wigly are confirmed cylons due to surviving their lynches. I think we can all agree that there is likely only one good cylon left. This means at least one of the two of them should be bad. Are we not going to discuss this?

This is a pretty complicated game, yes? Seeing as most of the roles have secret powers of some sort, it isn't out of the realm of imagination that they could have a lynch save, right? Or am I just unaware of what happened here?

I'm both thankful and slightly terrified that everybody seems to think that I'm the closest thing to a proven civilian. The slightly terrified part comes from the idea that I may have a target on my back. Hopefully my totally intentional and strategic combination of naivete and laziness means I'm safe from nightkills.

How exactly do we know Epignosis was the alternate Cylon #8? did I miss something obvious again?

Golden wrote:Don't forget the contest

Does my entry count?

insertnamehere wrote:so there's this ilsand, okay? and these people all crash on it on like a plane becuase a dude doesnt pressa button and becaue a superpower dude wants to make another superpower dude so they can defeat another superpower dudewho can turn into a smake monster and also dead people and also theres a group of people already living on the island called the others but their whole power structure is really weird so well just ignore that and the entire thing is actually a prequel to what the show is really about: the afterlife which includes vague meansingless quasi-christian symbolism and everybody gets together in a christian church which is weird because the afterlife in this doesnt really have anything to do with christianity and also theres like a muslim dude who should be like woah, why aren't we like in a mosque or some shit but just ignore that and then this one dude's dad opens the doors of the church and the show ends

also: polar bears

If you need descriptions for two other characters, here they are:

major character 1: so there's this dude with a alcoholic surgeon dad who is kind of a dick to him, so when the dude grows up and also becomes a big surgeon man he treats his old pops like shit and blows up any chance his daddy ever had at getting his shit together, naturally the dude thinks this is his dad's fault, so the dad dies after an epic bender in australia, and the dude comes down under to pick him up and then his plane crashes! so now he's on this island and overcompensating for everything

major character 2: so there's this dude who grew up in a foster home and his mom comes and finds him when hes like 40 and introduces him to his dad who's a con-man piece of shit who steals his kidney, and the dude gets angry and meets katey sagal and they get together and things get kinda good, but then his dad comes back, fakes his own death, and tries to help his son get some money in order to kinda even things out; the dude lies, katey sagal gets pissed and he loses her and the money; then his dad comes back into town a third time, and the dad ends up murdering some dude and his son finds out and confronts him and is then pushed out a window putting him into a wheelchair then he goes to australia in order to prove he's like a man and shit and then his plane crashes! so now he's on this island and overcompensating for everything

Golden wrote:Contest entries should always be by PM, unless you would like other people to steal your ideas and answers.

I'm sure "LOST" will be accepted as an entry, but whether or not it will win...

how dare you

this show isn't LOST at all

it's called "DADDY ISSUES ISLAND" and any coincidences to any other works are purely coincidental

I've learned to ignore my gut when it comes to rabbit. I've seen nothing that says he isn't the same bozo guy he usually is

The problem that I'm currently faced with is my complete lack of knowledge of the players and the history of this game. Don't get me wrong, I am reading and forming impressions, but it's hard for me to accurately judge cases based on votes and reactions and events that occurred days ago, especially in a game as idiosyncratic as this one. This makes choosing which case to believe tricky, as my well of objective knowledge is limited to 2 in-game days ago. But, the Admiral wants three names and three sets of reasonings, and that's what he'll get.

In no real order:
1) bea - this case seems to be the one based on the most stone-cold facts, as bea has a pretty sketchy voting record, which she herself would tell you. I don't know if I am getting a baddie vibe simply from her posts, but it's hard to argue with facts

2) SVS ~ anytime anyone posts a case on someone similar to the one Polo posted on SVS, I want to go with it even if there are some leaps made. You say gullible, I say willing to test in order to see what information is revealed. It feels like Polo has some info on her that we all lack, and I kinda want to give him the benefit of the doubt.

3) Sokolth ~ all of his reads that he posted seemed fishy to me, and G-Man's case on him made a fair amount of sense as well.

Going to *vote bea* because:

A. She's tied with rabbit, who I don't have baddie vibes from, and who's often an easy lynch for the mafia
B. As I stated in my last post: bea's weirdo record plus the cases against her are enough for me to justify a mild suspicion of her
C. I want to test SVS and rabbit, and see if their interpretations have merit.
D. gotta vote someone

I think and hope I've completed my 10 post quota and successfully avoided a chewing out from the Admiral. This post is admittedly to make sure

oh joy another tie

Well shit. This was not what I was hoping for

So say we all!

I'd like to go on the record as saying I'm not a big fan of GTH reads which have become a thing during my hiatus from the site. Most of the reads on mine will be civ, because I only suspect a handful of people, so I'm not sure how useful these are gonna be.


Black Rock – Good
Dex – Good
Drumbeats – Good
DrWilgy - Bad
Epignosis – Bad
G-Man – Good
Sokoth – Bad
JaggedJimmyJay – Good
Juliets – Good
Matt – Good
Nerolunar – Good
ObscureAllure – Good
Polo – Good
Rabbit8 – Good
Richochet – Good
S~V~S – Bad
Sig – Good
SpaceDaisy – Good

Yesterday, I found SVS a little suspicious, but I was willing to trust her and bea. Look how that turned out. So she's someone I'm definitely looking at.
With all the cylons, I think we should adopt a guilty until proven innocent attitude. Just statistically, they are way more likely to be bad, as I'd guess only a small number are good. So the fact that he's a cylon plus Rico's solid case on him makes me want to vote for Epignosis today. I'm also not trusting indiglo's passionate support of Wilgy, but he's not at the top of my shitlist for today. I still find Sokoth suspicious for pretty much the same reasons I said yesterday, but it's a weak read compared to SVS and Epi.

Post 2

(Where in the law does it say we have to number our posts? I must have missed that part.)

It looks like the lynch is tied up with my 2 biggest suspects right now: Epi and SVS.

Of course, we know Epi is a cylon, but of course there's a lot of controversy over whether or not he's in fact a good one. Athena in the show ended up being way more friendly to the Battlestar crew than Boomer. I could definitely see a version of this game where both Sharon Valerii's are civ, or their win conditions are topsy-turvey and can change on a dime, which is where I'd put my money.

Plus, Epi will still be around and still be outed if we decide to vote for what I think may be an equally strong candidate: SVS

So, that's who I'm gonna have to go with.

VOTING S~V~S

who's the ghoul now?

John Cavil wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:who's the ghoul now?

Not sure since no one is dead. Good question.

S~V~S wrote:Then maybe we will be a little less likely to rel on false info dumpers, hrh, sitting around gloating over their handiwork like a fucking ghoul.

The ghoul comment was a witty reference to the above quote and the fact that you basically got resurrected after we lynched, making you in all actuality, a ghoul.

Explaining jokes only makes them funnier to me

rabbit8 wrote:

Golden wrote:
Epignosis has been lynched. He was Sharon "Athena" Agathon.
Epignosis has been resurrected.

Golden wrote:
S~V~S has been lynched. She was John Cavil. Cavil-aligned, surprisingly.
John Cavil has been resurrected.

3.. So we don't have to go over this more. SVS is dead.

SVS is dead long live SVS

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I'd love to of seen a game like this about Lost played with a bunch of Lost fans, all of which intimately knew the lore and were in constant show-referencing debate over how it relates to the game.

This is a great, unique mechanic that has the effect of completely unsettling the entire thread.

Much like in the show, cylons are slowly beginning to integrate with the crew of the Battlestar, while they face great opposition from people who assume they are in fact bad and from themselves, as the ultimate objective in their coding remains a mystery.

Epignosis is a cylon that I switch between trusting and not trusting, seemingly with every post he posts. I don't see or agree with his case on Dex, and I share Wilgy's concerns of a runaway bandwagon.

So I'm gonna pick the boring obvious choice and vote for John Cavil.

OA, Wilgy, Epig, and all of the F5 are people I'm gonna try and research in the future. I feel like I don't have enough info in this oblique game to securely condemn any of them.

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If it's before the host post, doesn't it count?

Or does that depend on the graciousness of the host?

sig wrote:Post 7 I don't like those last two votes for Cavil at all especially since i suspect voting at all for Cavil can give them some sort of power.

I really really reallly want to lynch wilgy tomorrow.

linki: If it is before then we are still on the last day I think?

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How would voting for the outed leader of the mafia give someone powers?

I know this is a game where everything's up in the air, but come on

So now that Baltar's busted, who's the new President?

YESSSSSS

You people have no idea how happy I was when I found out I'd be playing as the one, the only, Gaius Frakkin' Baltar. ObscureAllure was a great BTSC partner, even though most of the checks I did were useless.

Ironically enough, I kept flip flopping back and forth on whether I should try and aim for a civ or Cavil win. I was honestly leaning towards working with the Cavils if I could. My strategy was to act dumb for a certain period of time, gather as much info as I could, be a non-target, and then backstab some fools.

Unfortunately, SVS and company didn't know this and Nightkilled me. They also would have gotten me definitely on their side if they NK'd ObscureAllure.

WE COULD HAVE BEEN A GREAT TEAM

@Golden - This is, in my humble opinion, the Gold Standard for turning a TV Show or existing property into a game of mafia. Each role was ingeniously written to replicate the same character dynamics in the game as there was in the show, while being innovatively complex in terms of mafia mechanics as well. I loved the air of unease and uncertainty that everyone had in the thread, once again very similar to the show.

In this game, Mafia and Life imitated Art, and it was amazing.

Also, I'm pissed off that I didn't win, simply because I was planning on changing my avatar to Gaius for all eternity.

Hell, I may still do that anyway...

aaaand I had no knowledge of these messages...

Golden wrote:

Entry 1 wrote:“The Merry Surgeons”

Baltar City, Nevada

I know where I'm moving...

Ricochet wrote:I like the episode where Romo Lampkin does... uhm... yeah.

Don't besmirch the good name of Romo Lampkin! He's played by Mark Sheppard, who at this point is sci-fi cult TV royalty.

Plus, he defends Gaius Baltar, and anybody who does that is A-OK in my books.