The Syndicate

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Matt wrote:For all I know, neither Scotty or FS found my question suspicious, but they did jump to the aid of someone who's alignment they can't possibly know yet without letting SVS answer first. And then FS proceeded to advance her agenda with exaggerations about management and fibs about me misleading people.

Derp.

Lol @ judging then saying it's not for you to judge.

-1 on INH

insertnamehere wrote: Epignosis -1 for liking David Lynch's Dune

Epignosis wrote:

insertnamehere wrote: Epignosis -1 for liking David Lynch's Dune

I have never seen it.

DrWilgy wrote:Hmm...

I think Quin and INH are on a team. I also think INH and Matt are on opposite teams. I also don't think bad Matt woud gimmick this early, unless he is strictly copying another game. He compared this point system to transistor, but I don't think he's copying what he did there.

Why is that question strange bullz? Feep free to answer the question yourself.

DrWilgy wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Hmm...

I think Quin and INH are on a team. I also think INH and Matt are on opposite teams. I also don't think bad Matt woud gimmick this early, unless he is strictly copying another game. He compared this point system to transistor, but I don't think he's copying what he did there.

Why is that question strange bullz? Feep free to answer the question yourself.

All of this sounds like somebody who needed something to say coming in and saying something. Why do you think these things? What posts brought you to these conclusions? Why are you defending Matt?

Why would have I needed something to say Epi?

DrWilgy wrote:INH put too much effort in his mockery of Matt's point system. Thus I think they are on opposite teams. The reason why I'm defending Matt is because of this. If INH is bad, then Matt is probably good.

DrWilgy wrote:Regarding Quin, I have no justification for why I think they are on the same team, thier patterns feel similar though.

DrWilgy wrote:Timmer and Epi, what do you think of the questions that I have asked so far?

DrWilgy wrote:@Svs, did you really think you'd get a yes or no answer out of that from Dom?

DrWilgy wrote:INH, how long will you take until you begin to policy lynch no shows/wallflowers?

DrWilgy wrote:I feel that AoT mafia turned out the way it did because of this mindset. Do you agree or disagree?

DrWilgy wrote:Matt and Bea, if someone were to target you right now, who do you think would do so?

DrWilgy wrote:Hey INH and Quin, if someone were to target you right now, who would that person be?

DrWilgy wrote:Could you see multiple players targeting you currently?

DrWilgy wrote:Why would have I needed something to say Epi?

DrWilgy wrote:Timmer and Epi, what do you think of the questions that I have asked so far?

Matt wrote:Do you still think I'm bad Epi?

Quin wrote:I made sure to get up super dooper early this morning to catch up, even if it is freezing cold.

Dom wrote:

Quin wrote:If Pam is able to detect lies in all statements (excluding the obvious), I wonder whether it matters if the statement is made by someone who knows whether or not its the truth themselves. I'm going to ask Dom about it, and if he says it's right, it might be a good idea to just stockpile a whole bunch of hypotheses so she can gather information.

If a statement can be rendered true or false (i.e. Factual not opinion based) and does not break the alignment rule I gave earlier then it is check able.

So, let's come up with some hypotheses for our good pal Pam.

There are items in this game.
We will eventually receive a complete role list.
Voting for either of the three options on Day 0 would have had had a different effect on the game.

Add your own.

Quin wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Quin wrote:I made sure to get up super dooper early this morning to catch up, even if it is freezing cold.

Dom wrote:

Quin wrote:If Pam is able to detect lies in all statements (excluding the obvious), I wonder whether it matters if the statement is made by someone who knows whether or not its the truth themselves. I'm going to ask Dom about it, and if he says it's right, it might be a good idea to just stockpile a whole bunch of hypotheses so she can gather information.

If a statement can be rendered true or false (i.e. Factual not opinion based) and does not break the alignment rule I gave earlier then it is check able.

So, let's come up with some hypotheses for our good pal Pam.

There are items in this game.
We will eventually receive a complete role list.
Voting for either of the three options on Day 0 would have had had a different effect on the game.

Add your own.

It would not be in Quin's best interest for the lie detector to be alive.

It would not be in Epignosis's best interest for the lie detector to be alive

Matt wrote:
Epi - If you were forced to vote for Scotty or FS who would you vote for?

insertnamehere wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Also, I think timmer sells drugs. For real.

Well, that'd explain his vote for me.

S~V~S wrote:Linki, what's wrong with selling drugs? (in a moral sense of course)

birdwithteeth11 wrote:I like how, for the first time in a REALLY long time, I feel like I have something concrete to go on with a Day 1 lynch, and I suddenly have several players looking at voting me. When we've had a ton of back-and-forth and gut reads that are based on zero in-thread evidence whatsoever.

S~V~S wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

birdwithteeth11 wrote:I like how, for the first time in a REALLY long time, I feel like I have something concrete to go on with a Day 1 lynch, and I suddenly have several players looking at voting me. When we've had a ton of back-and-forth and gut reads that are based on zero in-thread evidence whatsoever.

You really don't like that. You're being sarcastic.

Do you think Quin is a civvie?

S~V~S wrote:Epi, do you think Qun is a civve?

S~V~S wrote:@Epi, So yes or no, do you think he is a civvie?

Elohcin wrote:My show went longer than I thought b/c someone likes to take piss breaks :P

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Hey gang. I'm TiredJimmyJay, so please bear with me if I catch up at a leisurely pace.

Anyone who cares: what are the three most important things I should know about this game so far?

Elohcin wrote:

Quin wrote:

Elohcin wrote:

leetic wrote:

Elohcin wrote:I am going to go with Customer Service tonight.

Why are you posting such fluffy, non-game-related stuff this late in? Surely you have something else to talk about?

fluffy, non- game related stuff? What are you talking about? I don't think I've posted anything non-game related except that I would be back to vote after my show last night and even that was semi-game related. I don't know what you're talking about. Also, looking back at all your posts, you have only made ONE semi-on topic post. The rest have been "fluffy, non-game related" posts.

DrumBeats wrote:@ Leetic and Eloh - What are your current reads?

I do hope you aren't lumping me with this Leetic person by asking us both about our reads at the same time. At the moment I am most concerned with Quin for his/her "I'm a civ and you'll be sorry" post before EoD 1. As I've said before and as most people are probably tired of hearing...big games are difficult for me. I am trying to keep up, take notes, and participate as much as possible. I will have more things to say as time goes on, promise.

In that case I think you would do better to address it to me and give me a chance to discuss it further, as opposed to hastily throwing down a vote for it and moving on.

So, what specifically do you find most suspicious about the post?

I did actually. Soon after you posted it. And the whole thing sounded insincere.

Epignosis wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Hey gang. I'm TiredJimmyJay, so please bear with me if I catch up at a leisurely pace.

Anyone who cares: what are the three most important things I should know about this game so far?

1. You subbed in.
2. indiglo sucks for her hatred of pistachio ice cream
3. If I had to vote right now it would be for leetic or Matt ( )

Why leetic and Matt, Epi? I do think leetic is not playing well including his reprimanding of me, but I'm not sure it makes him bad. And Matt is acting like his regular self, imo.

Dom wrote:I am not answering any more questions about the checkability of statements. I assess them with Pam on a case by case basis. We are very capable.

DrumBeats wrote:

Quin wrote:Someone give me another low-flier name to look into.

Epignosis

Quin wrote:Epi, did you vote Wilgy based entirely on your suspicions, or did you want to save me from being lynched?

Scotty wrote:hi JJJ and espers! Your predecessors were more silent than the 30th president of the USA. Thanks for being vocal!

Scotty wrote:You never answered my post about why you would vote me over splints when Matt asked you. Can you pls?

Epignosis wrote:Matt is my number one suspect. He named two suspects but clung to fingersplints. I say he and Scotty are teammates.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Beefs with Epignosis:

Spoiler: show

Epignosis wrote:

Matt wrote:For all I know, neither Scotty or FS found my question suspicious, but they did jump to the aid of someone who's alignment they can't possibly know yet without letting SVS answer first. And then FS proceeded to advance her agenda with exaggerations about management and fibs about me misleading people.

Derp.

Lol @ judging then saying it's not for you to judge.

-1 on INH

How do you know that?

I don't know why Epi asked this question. Matt's assertion was rather ordinary -- that two people (Scotty and fingersplints) shouldn't know the alignment of S~V~S yet and thus should have no reason to interfere with his methods. I don't think there's any implication here that Matt knows more than he should know, which is where Epi's question seems to lead.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Spoiler: show

Epignosis wrote:Matt is my number one suspect. He named two suspects but clung to fingersplints. I say he and Scotty are teammates.

This strikes me as a very small reason to regard Matt as the number one suspect, and there's an air of opportunism too given the crap Matt got throughout Day 1.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Spoiler: show

Epignosis wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Hmm...

I think Quin and INH are on a team. I also think INH and Matt are on opposite teams. I also don't think bad Matt woud gimmick this early, unless he is strictly copying another game. He compared this point system to transistor, but I don't think he's copying what he did there.

Why is that question strange bullz? Feep free to answer the question yourself.

All of this sounds like somebody who needed something to say coming in and saying something. Why do you think these things? What posts brought you to these conclusions? Why are you defending Matt?

This is fun in that Epignosis is accusing Wilgy of providing fake content, when Epi's post itself looks to me like fake content. Moreover, the Wilgy post being criticized looks a lot like the Epignosis post in the previous spoiler. Saying something for the sake of saying something. Taking a stance for the sake of taking a stance.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Spoiler: show

Epignosis wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Hmm...

I think Quin and INH are on a team. I also think INH and Matt are on opposite teams. I also don't think bad Matt woud gimmick this early, unless he is strictly copying another game. He compared this point system to transistor, but I don't think he's copying what he did there.

Why is that question strange bullz? Feep free to answer the question yourself.

All of this sounds like somebody who needed something to say coming in and saying something. Why do you think these things? What posts brought you to these conclusions? Why are you defending Matt?

Why would have I needed something to say Epi?

DrWilgy wrote:INH put too much effort in his mockery of Matt's point system. Thus I think they are on opposite teams. The reason why I'm defending Matt is because of this. If INH is bad, then Matt is probably good.

This is a soft accusation. What you are really saying is that you think insertnamehere is bad, but you couch that accusation in a conditional statement. Is this to imply that if Matt is bad, you think insertnamehere is good?

DrWilgy wrote:Regarding Quin, I have no justification for why I think they are on the same team, thier patterns feel similar though.

I see.

DrWilgy wrote:Timmer and Epi, what do you think of the questions that I have asked so far?

DrWilgy wrote:@Svs, did you really think you'd get a yes or no answer out of that from Dom?

2/10

DrWilgy wrote:INH, how long will you take until you begin to policy lynch no shows/wallflowers?

4/10

DrWilgy wrote:I feel that AoT mafia turned out the way it did because of this mindset. Do you agree or disagree?

2/10

DrWilgy wrote:Matt and Bea, if someone were to target you right now, who do you think would do so?

1/10

DrWilgy wrote:Hey INH and Quin, if someone were to target you right now, who would that person be?

1/10

DrWilgy wrote:Could you see multiple players targeting you currently?

1/10

DrWilgy wrote:Why would have I needed something to say Epi?

1/10

DrWilgy wrote:Timmer and Epi, what do you think of the questions that I have asked so far?

4/10

The "soft accusation" thing looks fake too. Wilgy suggested a bad INH might suggest a good Matt, which makes perfect sense given the treatment INH gave Matt on Day 1. There's no reason for this to be perceived as "soft". There's no "couching". Wilgy voiced suspicion of INH independent of Matt and then made an assertion about how a baddie flip by INH might reflect on Matt. That's reasonable.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Then all those numeral grades are just pointless. Epignosis is not the type to waste thread space on nonsense.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Spoiler: show

Epignosis wrote:I voted Mr. Pink.

Epignosis ended up supporting the Wilgy lynch. The only supporting content for this vote is in the preceding spoiler, which I've already griped about. He seemed very relaxed and content to go with the flow on this one. I get the impression given the language of his posts that he suspected Matt more than Wilgy, but he didn't bother to press the issue. I'd expect a civilian Epignosis to be a little more invested in getting his suspect lynched.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Separately from all this, I count 14 of Epi's 33 posts that add nothing to the discussion. This number can be disputed to be slightly higher or slightly lower depending upon interpretation. Regardless I see potential post count inflation.

S~V~S wrote:Why do you suppose I would vote for Epignosis?

Could it be his low flying ways; very very very odd for him, don't you think? Does anyone think of "low posters" and "Epignosis" in the same sentence?

Would you believe that I have twice as many posts as him, and have posted only minimally during the night, and questioned little during the day?

Will I be busy tonight? Why else would I vote now? Do I think Epignosis is s baddie?

Is it possible I will have time to ask more questions today at work? Will you tune in to the same bat time, same bat channel to find out?

Epignosis wrote:I was a top poster in those because nobody killed me. I ended up being a top poster in Turf Wars too because nobody lynched me.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I'll GTH read everyone alive and see where that leaves me.

Epignosis -- bad
SVS -- bad

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I'll GTH read everyone alive and see where that leaves me.

Epignosis -- bad
SVS -- bad

Epignosis
2
JaggedJimmyJay (14), S~V~S (15)

My GTH reads came before her vote, so I have no idea what your point is.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Nope. Civilian BTSC is immensely popular on this site.

I agree. What's the implication with Matt though? If he's bad he still doesn't know whether those players have civilian BTSC. Where were you going with your question?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Epignosis wrote:It's Day 1. I don't need anything more than a very small reason to have a number one suspect.

I don't get the impression you were interested in finding anything better. Whether there was anything better to be found on Day 1 is less important to me than the investment you made in your own suspicion -- minimal.

Epignosis wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Spoiler: show

Epignosis wrote:Matt is my number one suspect. He named two suspects but clung to fingersplints. I say he and Scotty are teammates.

This strikes me as a very small reason to regard Matt as the number one suspect, and there's an air of opportunism too given the crap Matt got throughout Day 1.

It's Day 1. I don't need anything more than a very small reason to have a number one suspect.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I don't give a shit about post count, and I don't think you do either.

What is this supposed to mean? Do you suspect me? What purpose does this little highligted bit serve?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I would agree that post count alone is not a substantive reason to suspect you. I'll leave her to respond to your rebuttals before I jump to any conclusions.

S~V~S wrote:@Epi, since this is not the first time I~ or others~ mentioned you in terms of quietness (I think Drum called you a low flier, yes?) why did it surprise you?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Epignosis wrote:That...was my point.

Where was I going with it? Getting an answer, which I did.

What did that answer reveal to you about Matt if anything? This is my confusion: I don't see how this question leads you toward Matt's alignment. The only people who know about civilian BTSC are the civilians in that BTSC.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I ended up pressing DrWilgy and voting him instead of Matt. How on earth do you get the impression that I wasn't interesting in finding anything better?

I don't think your beefs with Wilgy were better. I think they were aligned conveniently with a thread moving toward a Wilgy lynch.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Epignosis wrote:It means I don't think your suspicion of me is genuine if you had to say I was bulking up my post count. I'm perfectly capable of looking useful when I'm bad. So are you, Mr. Bracket.

I believe that you're capable of making yourself look useful. That doesn't mean you'd never inflate your post count. When you bring up Royce Bracket (my baddie Transistor role for those who don't know), you actually find some of the inspiration for me bringing this up at all. I don't know how closely you followed the baddie BTSC in that game, but I made it clear in there that when I'm bad, I do care about post count. I deliberately inflated my post count in that game in ways that weren't necessary to promote the appearance that I was being helpful.

I'll grant that they were more creative than the off-topic content in your post history in this game, but that difference isn't going to stop me from hurling the accusation at you and seeing what happens.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:One of Epi's earliest posts was to suggest that he cannot know Matt's alignment without lynching him, an acknowledgement of Matt's skill for consistent cross-alignment behavior. That being the starting point of Epi's mindset on Matt probably made it more significant to me that Epi ended up pursuing him as a "top" suspect, based upon a point that doesn't strike me as powerful enough to overcome that original admission -- that who the hell really knows what's up with Matt.

Scotty wrote:

Matt wrote:

Scotty wrote:Hey Matt, question for you: you still suspect FS and I for our "defending" of SVS on Day 0. Does that mean you suspect SVS? You never answered this when I asked you like Night 1.
And do you have any other suspicions besides us?

I'm not really sure who I suspect. I've been pretty busy this week.

I'm starting to like you a bit more, but I wonder if that's only because I know you're genuinely frustrated with being linked to me as a baddie partner. Tho that part is genuine, you could still be bad.

So here's the thing Matt. I've been flitting about my suspicion of you for not developing any other noticeable reads besides our little doe-see-doe Day 0. I don't know if that's your normal meta Matt, tunneling on one or two people until they get lynched. Hell, that's been my general quid pro quo in a lot of games, but I got away from "tunneling scotty" because it drove me into insanity (lol sorry @Quin from the Sock Mafia).

I still think you could be bad for your tunneling, because the only Bad Matt I remember was from LOST Again where you went after our scumbuddy Bullz, but here I know I'm civ, so this is a stretch to link that behavior to this game.
But I'm keeping both eyes open in case we're literally 2 civs driving each other into a Romeo and Juliet ending. And that's hardly my favorite ending to a Shakespeare play.

Tomorrow, should I still be alive, I would suggest we both look at other people. I'm a little weirded out by leetic's self vote and I figure I'm not doing enough to look at the low posters hiding in the shade.