The Syndicate

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Aw, I didn't even consider any actual benefit of what I voted today. I just went off the fact that nothing (to my knowledge) happened with Draconus's game. I think I'll keep my vote on personnel and hope for a role list. Assuming there's BTSC or some other character relationships that we don't know about it might help me assign roles to players.

Also, what the hell you got against the letter Q, huh, INH? I can't think of any threatening words that start with the letter Q, but if I did, I'd threaten you with it.

bea wrote:
Quin wrote:Aw, I didn't even consider any actual benefit of what I voted today. I just went off the fact that nothing (to my knowledge) happened with Draconus's game. I think I'll keep my vote on personnel and hope for a role list. Assuming there's BTSC or some other character relationships that we don't know about it might help me assign roles to players.

votes are apparnetly changeale...

Even so, I think personnel is a good vote.

DFaraday wrote:
insertnamehere wrote:
Scotty wrote:
Matt wrote:+1 to SVS for ignoring me as a good civvie should do

-1 to FS and Scotty for rushing to her defense w/o letting her answer first.
Lol so a good civvie should ignore you in general? Got it
That's what I got from Matt's apparent ploy.

Can I just say that I'm totally over people throwing out some random question, other people finding that question suspicious, and then the original person saying that their question was supposed to be suspicious, and because other people reacted to it, they are now suspicious.

It's just BS 99% of the time, and there's no merit to the "bait scum by acting weird" thing at all. Every time I see it used it just seems less and less productive.

But hey, people are gonna play the way they're gonna play. Far be it from me to judge them.

That whole "JK, I was just baiting the real baddies, everything I've said is a lie but I'm totally a civvie" is my least favorite tactic currently in vogue. Civvies are supposed to work together, so deliberately posting false opinions in the thread strikes me as counter-productive to one's supposed allies.

Anyway, I don't see anything suspicious about what SVS originally said, and thus Splints and Scotty helping to clarify that point are also not suspicious for doing so. The only one who looks at all shady here is Matt, but every game I think Matt is suspicious for his weird gameplay, so I don't want to read too much into that just yet.

It also kind of feels like an excuse to fall back on when an opinion is presented that backfires. 'Oh, that wasn't my real opinion, it was totally just so I could evoke responses and find someone new to point the finger at'.

I've already forgotten who it was that tried using this tactic. But whoever you are, you should imagine some red-headed 20 year old peering suspiciously at you from outside your window.

insertnamehere wrote:maybe these polls are going to be a nightly thing, and we'll uncover the roles/mechanics of this game bit by bit?

this sounds reasonable tbh. if we take stock in the 'which folder should we open first' scenario from before we might open them all by Day 3. But the personnel thing didn't reveal anything so we could just be overthinking it and i could really have just been a check-in poll.

DrWilgy wrote:
S~V~S wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:
S~V~S wrote:You?
Nah, I'd target you SVS, not Matt or Bea! Silly SVS!
Well, since Matt is dancing around me, and I made a pointed post at Bea, my thought there was that you were hoping they would say "SVS". Feels kinda framey to me, tbh. Although kinda too obvious, too.

Are you trying to frame me WIlgy?
Nah, framing you this early might get the cops involved.

I actually didn't realize that both the players I asked had interactions with you (i've been skimming). I still look forward to thier responses nonetheless. Hey INH and Quin, if someone were to target you right now, who would that person be?

That depends on what I'm being targeted with.

Why would they?

leetic wrote:Alright, so is this starting?

It has! Say a thing!

leetic wrote:
Quin wrote:
leetic wrote:Alright, so is this starting?
It has! Say a thing!
A thing

Thanks

I was hoping Wilgy would give me the information I wanted to answer his question. Aw.

I didn't notice that three roles were added. I even looked. Whoops.

I don't think 'I am town aligned' is something Pam will be able to check, but hey, in the off chance;

I am town aligned.

Also, is it just me or does Pam's role infer that there are items in this game?

I didn't miss it, punk.

linki:

Hey Scotty, humour me.

Say that you're town aligned.

I know. I just felt as though the way you went about arguing its pointlessness felt like you were up to something and I wanted to push you a little. If you'd just ignored me I would've had something to worry about, but it turns out we're good.

timmer wrote:You know what helps a lie detector? Quietly making a statement that you know will help them see that you are civ.

You know what doesn't help them? Getting all players to say it and getting the whole thing thrown out as unusable.

And what really really doesn't help is then winking and saying you knew that, Muhuhaha. Because now day 1 is about you.

not a fan. Maybe you won't care. And because of course you will ask. I am town aligned.

I thinkyou're talking to me so I'll respond. I wasn't going to ask anybody else to say it because the point's already been made that saying 'I am town aligned' isn't worth a damn to a lie detector. It was unusable from the start, so there's no reason why I can't find a use for it myself.

-wink-, muhuhaha.

I didn't miss that part.

I feel like you're the one who wanted to make Day 1 about me, timmer. But even so, let's do it. I'll do a good job of it.

Cool beans, son.

If Pam is able to detect lies in all statements (excluding the obvious), I wonder whether it matters if the statement is made by someone who knows whether or not its the truth themselves. I'm going to ask Dom about it, and if he says it's right, it might be a good idea to just stockpile a whole bunch of hypotheses so she can gather information.

HEY DOM READ ABOVE PLZ

DrWilgy wrote:Hmm...

I think Quin and INH are on a team. I also think INH and Matt are on opposite teams. I also don't think bad Matt woud gimmick this early, unless he is strictly copying another game. He compared this point system to transistor, but I don't think he's copying what he did there.

Why is that question strange bullz? Feep free to answer the question yourself.

Why do you think INH and I are on a team?

Also, why do you think INH and Matt are on opposition teams as opposed to just unaware of eachother's alignments?

insertnamehere wrote:
Quin wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:Hmm...

I think Quin and INH are on a team. I also think INH and Matt are on opposite teams. I also don't think bad Matt woud gimmick this early, unless he is strictly copying another game. He compared this point system to transistor, but I don't think he's copying what he did there.

Why is that question strange bullz? Feep free to answer the question yourself.
Why do you think INH and I are on a team?
Because we both criticized or said in the thread that we suspected him.

I don't think I did either of those things. All I remember saying is that I wanted more information. I suppose that might be criticism. Uh. Yeah.

I was wondering when someone was going to put down the first vote

bea wrote:
timmer wrote:So... anyone able to tell me if this seems like Quin being Quin?
I *think* this is my first game with her so I'm as in the dark as you are. That said, I don't think she did anything super weird day 1 that would be anything like a baddie slip. I say keep an eye on her and see what develops. I only answer now in my catsup because I've read you ask this question several times. IDK if others gave you better answers or not yet.

It sure is. Unfortunately, however, I am not a lady.

I'm not sure what time I have to leave for this birthday shindig tomorrow so just in case I don't get a chance to revisit the game before day ends I'm going to have to put my vote down right now before I go to bed.

Voting for Matt because he's the only person who's actually pinged me so far, if only a little.

I'm hoping I'll have some time when I wake up to check the thread again to get some new information.

I made sure to get up super dooper early this morning to catch up, even if it is freezing cold.

Dom wrote:
Quin wrote:If Pam is able to detect lies in all statements (excluding the obvious), I wonder whether it matters if the statement is made by someone who knows whether or not its the truth themselves. I'm going to ask Dom about it, and if he says it's right, it might be a good idea to just stockpile a whole bunch of hypotheses so she can gather information.
If a statement can be rendered true or false (i.e. Factual not opinion based) and does not break the alignment rule I gave earlier then it is check able.

So, let's come up with some hypotheses for our good pal Pam.

There are items in this game.
We will eventually receive a complete role list.
Voting for either of the three options on Day 0 would have had had a different effect on the game.

Add your own.

How do you feel about me right now timmer? I don't think you got much out of your questioning of my play history but if you're up to it I'd recommend you look at some of my previous games here.

Turf Wars, Zodiac, AoT and Futurama (but I was playing a sock there so I was roleplaying a bit and experimenting with new playstyles without having to worry about being meta-read lool)

Epignosis wrote:
Quin wrote:I made sure to get up super dooper early this morning to catch up, even if it is freezing cold.

Dom wrote:
Quin wrote:If Pam is able to detect lies in all statements (excluding the obvious), I wonder whether it matters if the statement is made by someone who knows whether or not its the truth themselves. I'm going to ask Dom about it, and if he says it's right, it might be a good idea to just stockpile a whole bunch of hypotheses so she can gather information.
If a statement can be rendered true or false (i.e. Factual not opinion based) and does not break the alignment rule I gave earlier then it is check able.
So, let's come up with some hypotheses for our good pal Pam.

There are items in this game.
We will eventually receive a complete role list.
Voting for either of the three options on Day 0 would have had had a different effect on the game.

Add your own.
It would not be in Quin's best interest for the lie detector to be alive.

It would not be in Epignosis's best interest for the lie detector to be alive

Quin is a bastard.

S~V~S wrote:
Matt wrote:@DB - I've already explained the difference, ISO me for the answer. At the same time, tho, I certainly don't clear sig or Wilgy for coming to my defense either.

@INH - Well I'd rather throw out random accusations and get things going instead of just sitting around twiddling my thumbs. But k, agree to disagree.

@SVS - The intention, at least from my end, is never to "be mean".

I was looking forward to coming in here and putting a vote on Splints but Scotty's post where he eggs me on about Wilgy defending me and then goes on to vote Goldy after sussing me for several days...hrm. I think that's weird and I don't like it.

Epi - If you were forced to vote for Scotty or FS who would you vote for?
I would vote for Quin

He wants the lie detector to waste time detecting mechanics statements as opposed to looking for baddies.

What sort of things would the lie detector be able to check right now other than my suggestions? There's no role use to check. I'm trying to provide the lie detector with information.

S~V~S wrote:
Quin wrote:
S~V~S wrote:
Matt wrote:@DB - I've already explained the difference, ISO me for the answer. At the same time, tho, I certainly don't clear sig or Wilgy for coming to my defense either.

@INH - Well I'd rather throw out random accusations and get things going instead of just sitting around twiddling my thumbs. But k, agree to disagree.

@SVS - The intention, at least from my end, is never to "be mean".

I was looking forward to coming in here and putting a vote on Splints but Scotty's post where he eggs me on about Wilgy defending me and then goes on to vote Goldy after sussing me for several days...hrm. I think that's weird and I don't like it.

Epi - If you were forced to vote for Scotty or FS who would you vote for?
I would vote for Quin

He wants the lie detector to waste time detecting mechanics statements as opposed to looking for baddies.
What sort of things would the lie detector be able to check right now other than my suggestions? There's no role use to check. I'm trying to provide the lie detector with information.
I would iso the posts of those I suspected looking for potential true/false statements. Mechanics will be revealed eventually by the host. An LD is supposed to look for lies. It has nothing to do with role usage.

How would determining game mechanics help catch baddies?

Not everything has to be done to help catch baddies. Frankly, it might not help at all. Half of what I was trying to do in turf wars was trying to understand mechanics and I like to think we were better for it down the line. Information is good no matter how it is used, from my perspective. None of this was done for the purpose of distracting the lie detector, I just couldn't think of anything else she can be used for on Day 1.

Talking to you now there are some things she could check. x and y are on a team, for example, would be a good start.

S~V~S wrote:
Not everything has to be done to help catch baddies.

So she could check one "X & Y are on a team" per night?

It seems to make more sense to let her feel her way through peoples posts than directing her where we would like her to go (directing, yeah that was what your post felt like). That just felt very seriously diversionary to me.

These are all things that I think would be good to know, I didn't really think about what they wanted to do with their role at all actually.

But I'll iterate that though I think they'd be good to know, of course there's no obligation.

But yes, I don't think 'x & y are on a team' breaks the terms of her role.

linki: if you find it best to leave Pams role alone, I won't press the matter anymore.

timmer wrote:@Quin, way back when I first posted to you regarding your posts, I was kind of touching on what SVS is saying. The things you were saying seemed to not be focused on baddie hunting, which bothers me. That IS the name of this game, no?

Don't get me wrong, my top priority is on baddie hunting. But at the same time, I wanted to create an advantage for town that may have come in handy at some point. We don't know what Dom has planned for this game, so I figured, why not use the resources we do have?

linki: I get what you're saying. I might be distracting myself, in hindsight. I'LL DO BETTER

DrumBeats wrote:
Matt wrote:@DB - I've already explained the difference, ISO me for the answer. At the same time, tho, I certainly don't clear sig or Wilgy for coming to my defense either.

@INH - Well I'd rather throw out random accusations and get things going instead of just sitting around twiddling my thumbs. But k, agree to disagree.

@SVS - The intention, at least from my end, is never to "be mean".

I was looking forward to coming in here and putting a vote on Splints but Scotty's post where he eggs me on about Wilgy defending me and then goes on to vote Goldy after sussing me for several days...hrm. I think that's weird and I don't like it.

Epi - If you were forced to vote for Scotty or FS who would you vote for?
You didn't explain the difference as much as explain what you perceive the reasoning behind your own to be.

Looking back at Quin, I'm not thrilled with his "What do you think of me" post to timmer. Why would a civ even be concerned over that? Additionally, though I like the idea behind his list, the three ideas he proposed seem to be wastes of the lie detector. I'm going to compile a list of things that I think would be useful for Pam to have available to lie detect, should she find no better options in my next post.

My vote is currently between Quin and Scotty rn.

Why wouldn't I?

1) I don't want to be lynched, so I'm covering my bases to figure out if there's any pending accusations I need to address.
2) I want to form my own opinion on those who have previously expressed some degree of suspicion of me.
3) I don't want to fly under the radar by avoiding those same people. I've got nothing to hide so there's no reason why I should.

I remember Scotty voting based on activity in Turf Wars, and he was town. I don't think his vote would be indicative of being bad. His other posts, I'm not sure. I'll need to have another look at him.

S~V~S wrote:
Quin wrote:
timmer wrote:@Quin, way back when I first posted to you regarding your posts, I was kind of touching on what SVS is saying. The things you were saying seemed to not be focused on baddie hunting, which bothers me. That IS the name of this game, no?
Don't get me wrong, my top priority is on baddie hunting. But at the same time, I wanted to create an advantage for town that may have come in handy at some point. We don't know what Dom has planned for this game, so I figured, why not use the resources we do have?

linki: I get what you're saying. I might be distracting myself, in hindsight. I'LL DO BETTER
This makes no sense. If she was to check mechanics, how would she let the thread know what she learned? She can't without exposing herself. Who wants her to expose herself? The baddies.

I didn't intend for her to expose herself. One person having extra information is better than nobody having it.

DrumBeats wrote:
Matt wrote:@DB - I've already explained the difference, ISO me for the answer. At the same time, tho, I certainly don't clear sig or Wilgy for coming to my defense either.

@INH - Well I'd rather throw out random accusations and get things going instead of just sitting around twiddling my thumbs. But k, agree to disagree.

@SVS - The intention, at least from my end, is never to "be mean".

I was looking forward to coming in here and putting a vote on Splints but Scotty's post where he eggs me on about Wilgy defending me and then goes on to vote Goldy after sussing me for several days...hrm. I think that's weird and I don't like it.

Epi - If you were forced to vote for Scotty or FS who would you vote for?
You didn't explain the difference as much as explain what you perceive the reasoning behind your own to be.

Looking back at Quin, I'm not thrilled with his "What do you think of me" post to timmer. Why would a civ even be concerned over that? Additionally, though I like the idea behind his list, the three ideas he proposed seem to be wastes of the lie detector. I'm going to compile a list of things that I think would be useful for Pam to have available to lie detect, should she find no better options in my next post.

My vote is currently between Quin and Scotty rn.

I admit that what list I did provide doesn't so clearly benefit Pam, but I don't see any advantage in bringing the strategy to light in the first place if I were bad. Aside from gaining civ cred, but really, this strategy does more harm than good to baddies.

At this point it's really a top 2. There's nobody I wouldn't vote to lynch but these two are at the top of my mind.

Matt, because of his fake opinion gambit, and last night Wilgy kept coming to mind when I thought about who I wanted to vote. I don't really know why I wanted to vote him, but I'll put him down too.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:
Quin wrote:
Not everything has to be done to help catch baddies.
I think this might be the first time I've ever been left speechless in a mafia game. I'm at a loss for words.

This also might be the easiest Day 1 vote I've ever had.

Votes Quin

If you think that was a baddie slip you need to have another go at reading it.

S~V~S wrote:Well, Dude, that's a pretty controversial opinion, you must admit

I guess that's just how people are interpreting it. I'm trying to say that rather than doing everything for the direct purpose of catching a baddie out, we can act to collect information.

And with this information, the potential lies to make more accurate accusations to catch baddies.

I figured this last part would be inferred, but just so I didn't have to keep addressing it, I'm spelling it out.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:
Quin wrote:
birdwithteeth11 wrote:
Quin wrote:
Not everything has to be done to help catch baddies.
I think this might be the first time I've ever been left speechless in a mafia game. I'm at a loss for words.

This also might be the easiest Day 1 vote I've ever had.

Votes Quin
If you think that was a baddie slip you need to have another go at reading it.
That's not the point I got from it. What I got is that if you are a civ, then that's the most antithetical thing you could possibly believe if you want to do well in this game.

The most powerful tool the civs have is the lynch for a reason.

Frankly, I disagree.

Anyway, I'm switching my vote to Wilgy, for self preservation purposes.

You don't want to lynch me, because alignment aside, if I am lynched, the mafia will be given a significant advantage over the town in the next night phase.

#supatown
#plznokill
#trumpcard
#savemepam and Erin
#iwarnedyou
#skinnedsalmon
#toomanyhashtags

I have to go to a birthday thing now. I apologise in advance if you lynch me.

S~V~S wrote:Are you role claiming?

Dom has given the okay for that statement. No rules are broken in saying it!

Hey, I'm alive!

I didn't enjoy voting Wilgy (rip) and would have loved to jump on the BWT wagon had I seen it being developed as an alternative. I agree that it was opportunistic.

If Pam were to check my earlier statement about the consequences of lynching me I'd feel better, even if it only means one person knowing for sure I'm a civ. But yeah, weigh your options.

Voting Sales, because why not.

Specifying the night phase would, I think, infer more than just a dead townie. Dom gave the okay because it didn't break the info dumping rule.

Scotty wrote:
Quin wrote:Specifying the night phase would, I think, infer more than just a dead townie. Dom gave the okay because it didn't break the info dumping rule.
That's as clear as mud. If it weren't in our best interests to lynch you because the town needs you, and it's not info dumping...how...can you be town aligned?

You should ask Dom to clarify his rules if you're confused, I think. He would do a much better job of explaining what is considered as info dumping to him than I would.

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