The Syndicate

Scotty wrote:Checking in, and boy do those treasures look tasty.

There's a fabled sword, rare tomes of wisdom, exquisite sculptures... and a bag of tea. Someone's getting shafted :P But yay game!

I'll also have a period of limited activity coming up (next weekend vacation in Gatlinburg, woo!), so I should pass on the prefect thing as well. Though I have been spending an inordinate amount of time on Internet politics groups, so maybe I am qualified? :P

Whoa. INH's banner is clearly the best argument anyone has yet made; it's even got an exclamation point! Voting him, as well as MM because he called me out to play this game in the first place :P

MovingPictures07 wrote:So who wants to talk about this duel mechanic? It seems we would want to nominate the two most suspicious players (in lieu of one) similar to lynching, but is that necessarily the case? What if a player is suspicious but has a role type that is stronger in duels and keeps winning them? What do you all think?

Ah, MP, always wanting to talk mechanics :P I can see where you're coming from; if we were able to identify a strong dueling civ, we could put him or her up against the suspect for a better chance at a death. However, and this is important, the rules for warriors say "most likely to win in a duel." It's not a guarantee, it would seem. On the negative side, that strategy would identify good NK targets for the baddies. And if we try to get two baddies in a duel and succeed, one of them is destined for death

However, the civs have many more warriors than the baddies. So picking one from each list (suspected civs and suspected baddies) for each night might actually be a good call.
Linki: Just as JJJ put a little more eloquently.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: Honestly picking 2 suspected baddies seems like it has a way higher probability of working.

I agree, but that's assuming we have two really good baddie reads on any given night. If we pick a known or highly suspected civ at random, we have a 75% chance of getting a warrior, which puts us in pretty good odds for a fight.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:

Boomslang wrote:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: Honestly picking 2 suspected baddies seems like it has a way higher probability of working.

I agree, but that's assuming we have two really good baddie reads on any given night. If we pick a known or highly suspected civ at random, we have a 75% chance of getting a warrior, which puts us in pretty good odds for a fight.

And thats assuming our civilian read is right too.

So you are counting on the read being right, the civilian being a warrior, and the dice liking you. Are you sure those odds are that good?

While if you vote for two baddie suspects, you are diminishing the effects of the duel while focusing on one variable: the quality of your reads. If they are good, you have better odds of lynching a baddie.

I don't think that can be calculated, but I think the later sounds more likely to work.

Yes, but civilian reads are more likely to be right. So if we get that factor correct, then we only need to pick one baddie, the most high-quality baddie we have. We don't need to go scraping for evidence for a second suspect every time.

Bass_the_Clever wrote:I think we should vote people who we believe to be mafia to duel. I think maybe later in the game if a civ wants to volunteer then that's their choice but early game I believe we run the risks of losing civs that could help us later in the game.

I agree that volunteers should be more effective late-game. Once all the treasures come into play, civs can become more dangerous in duels; again, this runs the risk of NK targeting, but how else will we know how to take advantage of said treasures?

Also, I understand MP The game is emotionally draining, and I wish you the best of recovery.

Sorry all, gonna be in the mountains and unable to post. Voting MM and TH, who seem to want to duel.

Back from vacation, finally catching up a bit on all of this. Glad we got Dr. Wilgy, and also glad that the case against MM is developing. So far, however, what's most struck me as suspicious was Jan.

Jan wrote:I would like to see one out of Metalmarsh89 and Turnip Head gone. I think I'm voting both.

Why?

Jan wrote:They're the loudest out of everyone else. I was actually considering JJJ as well, but this message sent to the GM smells of a scumplay. Idk.

Volume itself is a pretty meaningless criterion for a vote. Sure, you can argue that high posters are trying to avoid being seen as UTR, but you can also argue that they're simply active baddie hunters. Without other factors, high activity should be seen as a mutual trait. Misreading the message as scum could just be confusion, but not checking the roles to find that night power seem more like careless play to me.

Continuing to read, will post more thoughts as they occur.

Linki w/MP: My gut read on Sorsha is bad. Suggesting ideas and then not taking them seriously seems suspicious, and I find two instances of that.

Sorsha wrote: (To JJJ asking for advantages of prefect votes) What's the disadvantage? Scared?

Sorsha wrote: I'm one person and at most can give you one vote.

Linki w/JJJ: I'm worried about your focus on tone rather than content when it comes to Russ's posts. And I'll outright say I find it suspicious, so you don't use the same argument on me :P

Nerolunar wrote:I'm voting birdwithteeth and timmer. Random votes are just a no-no, despite how dificult this game is/seems to be.

Um... you didn't actually mention either of them in previous posts? I agree random votes are a no-no, but you just seemed to make two.

Yeah, site has been a bit wonky for me as well in recent minutes. Following up my previous vote for MM and casting a shot at Jan to hopefully bring more attention for tomorrow.

Alright, finally got time to sit down and work through this thing. Thanks for keeping posts under a thousands per day, fam :P Very glad the MM suspicion turned out, and I'm not surprised by the JJJ prefect kill. Kind of surprised INH and Scotty haven't been attacked yet, but then again, INH hasn't been much of a force in the thread. Some of my thoughts thus far:

I really liked nutella's defense against MP. I thought the second point, where she called him out for misrepresenting her attack on Dom, was particularly cogent. MP highlighted the "annoying" part while ignoring the meaty "sufficient content" and "voting behavior" reasons. That kind of deliberate misdirection pings bad to me.

I think LoRab's read on TH is very good. There's opportunity for WIFOM, but TH does seem too chummy with MM at the start, and I think "Or I could always vote myself so that I can duel the marmot and bring honor to my home." is a big red flag. It would be a way to take a vote out of play for a teammate in a seemingly selfless manner. Also, I see a possible motive for the immediate JJJ nightkill. JJJ asks why TH has beef with MM, and TH just shrugs it off with the silly "He made rude remarks about the size of my ancestors' bellies." Killing JJJ could be a way to eliminate followup questions today?

I don't like Nerolunar just kind of shrugging off my criticism of his D2 votes. The distinction between "random" and "impulse" votes seems spurious, especially when he says random is "being indifferent about the voted players" and then that his impulse votes were based on Timmer and BWT being "careless and uninterested." I don't get excited to vote for players who seem uninterested; carelessness is a slightly better criterion, but he provided no specific evidence. Can you back that up from thread posts, Nerolunar?

Jan continues to seem more baffled than someone should be. "Why wasn't anyone killed?" has plenty of reasons, and it's worth conjecture on why. That's the second time Jan has said something that seems to show a carelessness with thinking through the rules.

Dom wrote:Boomslang, does a careless player mean an evil player that needs to be kept on the other side of the wall?

I'd say a careless player needs to be carefully vetted until we can figure out what's going on Case in point is Nerolunar. "I guess you could say I am guilty of saying the same thing, which I kind of am Ugh. I am a goddamn hypocrite." I really don't like this defense. If you're calling your own behavior out as shady, you're asking us to trust your civility on nothing but your word. I agree with the punishment of BWT's self-voting, but that's about it.

Meanwhile, Caps continues to dig himself into a hole. "I didn’t expect anyone to actually vote me," he says, after claiming "I would be comfortable being voted for." Why even say that in the first place, then, if you weren't prepared to shoulder the consequences? I really don't like that back and forth.

Following up on my D2 suspicion of Sorsha, I haven't seen anything to change my mind for the better, and there are a few things that change my mind for the worse. "I don't know if I'd have voted for prefects at all" is a third instance of being flippant about the game. Claims to be "ok with an MM vote," then self-votes and puts one on the absent INH. I see someone trying very hard to avoid making waves, and I don't like it.

Linki w/Scotty: I like the idea of following the WIFOM through its conclusion, but...
Linki w/Rico: UHM, indeed.

TheCapsFan wrote:

Caps has dropped the lynch-me attitude completely, watsupwithdat.

Oh, you can still lynch me. I mean, it's better than doing nothing.

So... does this strike anyone else as an admission of guilt? If you were civ, Caps, lynching you would by definition be worse than doing nothing. So if lynching you improves our position, you must be bad. I look forward to your response.

Sloonei wrote:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Also I feel like I want to vote for TH, but cant find any rational reason for it. Something about him feels wrong though.

"Something about him feels wrong". I never ever like that justification. It means literally nothing and opens up the door for baseless accusation. Totally insubstantial claim posing as substance.

Fantastic catch. Very fluffy, and it gives DDL the flexibility to jump in either direction on the TH discussion. If they're teammates and a TH lynch looks preventable, he could say, "Nah, that was nothing" and vote elsewhere. If the lynch train has no brakes, he could say, "I still have that gut feeling, so I'm going to vote TH" and perform a bussing maneuver. DDL, search your feelings and give us something better to go on.

Sloonei wrote:You've shared a good amount of suspicion against various players, but I'm having a tough time gauging the strengths of a lot of these suspicions. The day is ending relatively soon. Who do you plan on voting for?

Four hours is still a chunk of time, and for once I'll be able to stick around through the end of day. Right now, I'd say my leading suspects are TH and Sorsha. I think we should call the big WIFOM bluff that LoRab identified, and as I posted recently, my initial suspicions of Sorsha have intensified over the days. I'm also feeling worse on Nerolunar and Caps; Jan is on the back burner for now, because all I really have for that is carelessness.

Nerolunar wrote:

Boomslang wrote:

Dom wrote:Boomslang, does a careless player mean an evil player that needs to be kept on the other side of the wall?

I'd say a careless player needs to be carefully vetted until we can figure out what's going on Case in point is Nerolunar. "I guess you could say I am guilty of saying the same thing, which I kind of am Ugh. I am a goddamn hypocrite." I really don't like this defense. If you're calling your own behavior out as shady, you're asking us to trust your civility on nothing but your word. I agree with the punishment of BWT's self-voting, but that's about it.

That's not what I meant. I am a hypocrite because I voted timmer because of reasons(not being able to understand the game and the different arguments being thrown around) I exhibit myself. It wasn't really a "defense" more like an elaboration of my previous vote. I don't think I am acting "shady" - more the opposite by doubting my own point of view about things. If you disagree, let me know. I think you reached a little here with your interpretation.

But you still made the vote, and you still say that you didn't make it for good reasons. If we can't trust you to make informed, useful votes, how can we trust that you're working the best interests of the town?

Well, I'm going to get the ball rolling with votes on the people I indicated previously. Nothing crazy has happened to change my mind, so voting TH and Sorsha.

Yo Simon, nice unannounced vote on me. And on Golden, who regards me as a major civ read. Care to explain yourself?

Golden wrote:I really don't think Russ makes sense. MM's vote for Russ, that's where it's at.

I really didn't think Timmer made sense either. I read his iso. When I voted, it felt like Timmer could survive. I think I need to look back at how those later votes came in. It's possible some were to save sorsha or TH.

I think people are finding some behaviours that are quite normal from people to be bad.

I also was going to come in today saying I found rico bad (after all his analysis, his votes weren't good), but then he got NKed so... I guess not.

I agree with you about TImmer, but I'm not quite sure where to draw the line for a possible Sorsha save. I'd say the turning point is probably vote 35; Mac voted Timmer to put him up 7 vs. 5, possibly in response to Russ's Sorsha vote. Ninja voted Timmer and TH, then Rico on vote 42 (and he's excused). DP and DFaraday might be worth minor looks as the people who put the final votes in Timmer's coffin

MovingPictures07 wrote: I want to duel this time. And I should have stuck with my evaluation of Nutella from before; she is giving me bad vibes and I think she's latching onto easy targets again today. Not letting her off the hook.

I want to take her down. Nutella vs MP!!!

Dammit MP, y u do this? Are you tacitly laying claim to some sort of advantage that will put you over the edge in this fight? What makes you so confident?

Thanks for revisiting that Rico post, DDL. Since he's dead, I'm gonna do the look at DFaraday that he mentioned. Which is pretty easy, considering the dude only has 12 posts.

Early game is unremarkable. Nominates prefects for RP reasons, then dislikes duel volunteers but thinks they indicate player personality rather than alignment. In Day 1, sets up a little antagonism with Dom over his posting gimmick; notably, he also casts shade on Sorsha, then drops it in favor of MM. Day 2 continues the Dom fight, saying he's flip-flopping over Bass. Really, Dom continues to be his white whale for the rest of the thread. Launches a Timmer reaction on Day 3, and we see how that turned out.

So really, we don't have much to go on. The hyperfocus on Dom reads ever so slightly bad, as it gives him an excuse to not evaluate other cases if he knows they'd be for teammates. He did mention Sorsha early, though, so I'm curious: What's your current read on Sorsha, DFaraday?

Glorfindel wrote:Just another observation here...

As I understand it, part of the case that brought MM undone was his inconsistency in voting for Dr Wilgy for Prefect on Day 0 and then voted to have him duel on Day 1 - is that correct? I note that another player did a similar thing in that Boomslang voted MM for Prefect on Day 0 and then voted him for the dueling ring on Day 1.

The vote for MM's prefecture was mid-poll (i.e. 39th out of 62) so it wasn't really influential and it was MM's only vote for Prefect. I'm not sure what this says but personally, I didn't vote anyone for Prefect about whom I had doubts

Well, if you're not sure what it says, what do you think it says? Or is this one of those baddie "let's plant a seed without actually taking sides and hope it grows into a mighty lynching tree" moves?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:

Boomslang wrote:

Glorfindel wrote:Just another observation here...

As I understand it, part of the case that brought MM undone was his inconsistency in voting for Dr Wilgy for Prefect on Day 0 and then voted to have him duel on Day 1 - is that correct? I note that another player did a similar thing in that Boomslang voted MM for Prefect on Day 0 and then voted him for the dueling ring on Day 1.

The vote for MM's prefecture was mid-poll (i.e. 39th out of 62) so it wasn't really influential and it was MM's only vote for Prefect. I'm not sure what this says but personally, I didn't vote anyone for Prefect about whom I had doubts

Well, if you're not sure what it says, what do you think it says? Or is this one of those baddie "let's plant a seed without actually taking sides and hope it grows into a mighty lynching tree" moves?

Why is it that you always seem to appear only when people mention you?

That is patently untrue, as even a cursory read of my post history would indicate. I just thought Glorf's post was particularly egregious.

My own fantasy football draft is coming up in a bit here, so I should vote as well. I continue to like nutella's defenses, and I think voting that way is wrong. I think I'm going to put a vote on DDL and see where that leads. The host post, combined with his manipulative observations about TH and me, give me enough suspicious to take him seriously. For the other vote... let's go with Caps, who has slipped back under the radar today. Perhaps he doesn't feel as confident about his duel chances now, for whatever reason.

Glorfindel wrote:

Boomslang wrote:

Glorfindel wrote:Just another observation here...

As I understand it, part of the case that brought MM undone was his inconsistency in voting for Dr Wilgy for Prefect on Day 0 and then voted to have him duel on Day 1 - is that correct? I note that another player did a similar thing in that Boomslang voted MM for Prefect on Day 0 and then voted him for the dueling ring on Day 1.

The vote for MM's prefecture was mid-poll (i.e. 39th out of 62) so it wasn't really influential and it was MM's only vote for Prefect. I'm not sure what this says but personally, I didn't vote anyone for Prefect about whom I had doubts

Well, if you're not sure what it says, what do you think it says? Or is this one of those baddie "let's plant a seed without actually taking sides and hope it grows into a mighty lynching tree" moves?

My friend, I am not accusing you. All I've done here is made a measured, non-accusatory observation based on YOUR actions - as is my job in this game (or so I am continually being told). Your defensive reaction above is not helping. I said I didn't know what conclusion to draw from your actions so instead of your thinly veiled OMGUS, maybe you care to indulge me by explaining your actions? Thank you.

I explained my actions in the thread. I voted MM for prefect because he got me into the game, and I voted for him to duel because he requested to do so and it was Day 1. The two votes were made with different levels of information. If he had actually been elected prefect, I may not have voted him to duel.

And don't play innocent with me. You know as well as I do that every post in a game of mafia has a purpose. "Personally, I didn't vote anyone for Prefect about whom I had doubts" suggests, however slyly, that my own actions weren't entirely forthright. My "defensive reaction" is trying to get you to admit that purpose in your post.

Epignosis wrote:

"Boomslang can be trusted."

If Epi says it, it must be true!

Rather surprised by the MP result; I didn't think he'd take that big a risk unless he had something up his sleeve. I suppose there may be ability wonkiness we don't yet know about, but that's all conjecture right now. We know his character could "summon a rockslide," which I'd imagine is an offensive ability? If I wanted to get really tinfoily, I'd say his teammate's ability to "summon apparitions" means that we killed a ghost MP... idk.

A thought: maybe Caps and MP are part of the same team, and Caps's push to get himself lynched earlier was an earlier attempt by the team to pull whatever ability nonsense they just pulled on MP?

I'm growing more suspicious over DDL. He seems to be pushing really hard for this Mac lynch based on little more than a meta read (that he's less active than usual). Additionally, this baddie read seems to have developed just since today day. In previous days, he was even agreeing with Mac's point on Dunny.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: I find myself agreeing with Mac's point on Dunny. And something about him just feels off. Like he is just overly-defensive. I don't feel good about voting for a new player on day 1, but it's the game.

Additionally, he's refusing to even engage with the possibility of a Caps-MP connection. Can you give us anything more solid about why you turned on a dime about Mac?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Well I voted Boomslang first back in day 2 so there is that.

His response has been to systematically call every post of mine suspicious since then.

And there we are again with the wild overexaggerations! I'm sensing a pattern. C.f. from last day:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Why is it that you always seem to appear only when people mention you?

Which actually contradicts what I just did, because I attacked you without an immediate provocation. And there's another post from today as well:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:You have been on a campaign to discredit every opinion of mine since I've first suspected you. That's very disingenuous.

"Systematically," "every," "only." You know who deals in absolutes? The Sith. You are telling lies specifically to discredit me. That is the definition of bad.

Voting DDL, as well as TCF because I think the similarities in prefect vote and self-lynch desire with MP are too similar to be coincidental.

Golden wrote:@Sloonei - confident is an adjective. It's not one I'd use to describe me. He is someone for whom my suspicion is at least somewhat describable. I think that's as far as I would go.

MacDougall wrote:I have an oddball theory.

Simon has gone quiet. He seemed to have a random beef with JJJ. If he is a Nanman and is low on partners he might lose interest and he might kill JJJ. I could see a lonely Simon mafia doing that.

FYI I am just digging throught the thread for some missing pearls at the moment. Nothing has been really jumping out at me. If nothing juicy comes out I am going to revote Russ and Dunny as nothing there has made me feel any better about either of them.

I think Simon has been a Simon of two halves - the Simon before Wilgy and MM died, and the Simon after Wilgy and MM died. Given the Nanman keep killing high posters, I also think that they may be low posters. I think Simon started with alive friends to talk to and ended up, as Mac said, seeming 'more lonely'.

Essentially, I just agreed with this post from Mac and don't really feel like Simon post MM-death has ever gone back to being like Simon pre-MM death.

I'm not really sure where this Simon suspicion is coming from. By my count, he has a grand total of 7 posts pre-MM death and 5 posts post-MM death (Day 3 onward). That's not what I'd call "going quiet." And his content doesn't seem to change much from one phase to another—there's a general will to fight, first vs. JJJ, then vs. Eloh. I agree that there's not much to go on, but I'm no more suspicious of him than of the other low posters at the moment.

nutella wrote:Actually, move Bass higher on that list. I'm quickly convincing myself that he and DDL are teamies.

Just for shits and giggles (and because DDL is totally bad), here's every post where Bass mentions DDL.

Bass wrote:Hey DDL, do you think most of the the people who are mafia are laying low or are they being active or... Are they in that sweet middle area flying under the radar?

Bass wrote:

DDL wrote: I didn't like Russ's recent "Congratulations on lynching Wilgy, guys!" It doesn't feel honest.

I think I'm voting for him today.

Didn't he post something first, then followed up with "oh and good Lynch" or was that someone else.

Bass wrote:

MP wrote: I would be willing to throw out the following slight town GTHs:

Boomslang
Dragon D. Luffy
JaggedJimmyJay
Quin
Turnip Head

Could change at the drop of a hat, but so far I'm feeling OK at what they've brought to this thread so far. Anybody else have some GTHs yet?

Do you have a mafia reads yet, even just something that pinged you?

Bass wrote:

DDL wrote: I just don't want to see, 5 cycles from now, someone going "I trust Jay. He had been leading town since the start!" Because that is where the danger lies.

So that's not much to go off of. But no real disagreements, an early affirmative, and a late softball question to let DDL control the tone of the thread. Nutella, do you have anything else to add?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:You have figured it all out. Me and Bass are plotting to control the tone of the thread.

Gonna catch up later and respond everything else.

Called it.

Russtifinko wrote:Oh also, what happened to the suspicions/voting of me? That was a thing, right?

You evoked consternation on the first day for your prefect choice procedure, but since haven't done too much of interest. I don't like your fairly random Day 3 vote explanation, but I do like your questioning of Blooper. And you were very quiet on Day 4. I get... a very, very slight bad vibe? Mostly from this:

Russtifinko wrote:

Jan wrote:I would like to see one out of Metalmarsh89 and Turnip Head gone. I think I'm voting both.

You don't think they're bad, you just want them gone?

Which is a little manipulative, and MM proved to be a good choice.

Well, I have to vote, and I haven't seen anything to change my mind. Bass is right about the quietness, but then again, it is a holiday weekend. DDL and Caps again.

Argh, sorry to Caps. That should've gone better. Meanwhile, I'm in the middle of hell week for the musical I'm playing in (woo, Hair!), so my abilities to process are limited at best. Continuing to vote DDL until we can actually lynch him... I think a Bass lynch would be illuminating, but I'm not confident that he'll actually flip bad. So voting leetic to trim some of this dead weight.

Quin wrote:Hello, Boomslang. What do you think?

Whew, I should not have missed that previous vote. Stupid life. And I'm really rather angry at myself for misreading DDL. Sigh, can't win them all.

Regarding this poll, my gut tells me it's not a rez. Chinese mythology is pretty big on ancestor spirits staying ancestor spirits, IIRC. The role reveal is a good guess, and in that case, I think I'd vote JJJ. That option would put the most possible posts into context.

Bass_the_Clever wrote: So you don't think I'm bad anymore?

I think the bigger issue is that you've won two duels in a row and presumably have some pretty kicking power-ups. Even if we did think you were bad, I don't know if anyone could take you out in a fight. Might have to come back to you once we've knocked off a few other people.

I also just wanted to point out that our little green hostpost friend has had a frankly terrible track record. With the JJJ reveal, his very first post of "JaggedJimmyJay" is incorrect, and DDL flipped civ; we can't seem to lynch Bass, so no way to evaluate that claim. I suppose the posts have to come from a civ role... now I'm wondering who.

Well, I'm leaving to go to an out-of-town concert (Explosions in the Sky!) and have to vote. So... going with Elo for not explaining her vote on Dom after repeated questioning, and inh because I think there's something to Quin's approach.

Zuo Ci wrote:Four souls yet breathe who have declared fealty to the nameless one. Nature quakes in anticipation for their testimony. Let loose the guilt within, and I will listen. I am compassionate to your folly.

Boomslang, dear child, your fealty was to the nameless one and also his rodent spirit animal. You must let your words free.

The prefect votes were eons ago in game time, and I really didn't give them much thought. As I said, I voted MM for out-of-game reasons and INH because his banner looked cool :P You can choose to believe me or not, but that's the truth. You'll also note I was first to vote INH yesterday, which turned out pretty well.

Zuo Ci wrote:It is my instinct to believe the testimony of the man Boomslang. I did however report this occurrence to the most esteemed mathematicians in China to satiate my curiosity. Their oracles inform them that an accidental declaration of fealty to two members of a fringe faction would be impressively improbable. I would welcome consideration of this notion, though I freely release myself from such a dialogue. I commune with spirits, not with metaphysical symbols.

Improbably, perhaps, but not impossible. As my father, himself a wise old sage, once said: "Even a blind squirrel finds a nut every once in a while." With over thirty players at the start of the game, the odds would be worse for someone not to vote two baddies as prefects, assuming everyone voted more or less randomly.

Scotty makes a good point about Daisy as a Turban... will have to give that some more thought.

Alright, gotta vote before heading out for the night. Going with Daisy and Dunny, the first for reasons discussed in thread and the second because magical Taoist man said so.

I am sick and utterly unable to focus on this game right now. Ugh. Voting Dunny and leetic because Zuo Ci has shown good calls so far.

Voting Blooper and Simon real fast before I have to play music. Blooper because I think she's been too blase about the votes that have come her way so far, and Simon because of his consistently stated dueling preference.

I apologize for not keeping up with this game, but this was closing weekend for Hair and I spent pretty much all of it either playing, cast partying, or set striking. So going to even up the vote with one on Bullzeye and cast another for Blooper, because I don't want her off the radar.

I think Zuo Ci's analysis of leetic is spot-on. If we remove the last of the completely inactives, we can close the book on that entire line of reasoning for the identity of the YTs. I'll be placing a vote there today.

As for my other vote, I feel like a lot of my suspects are still in the poll. Blooper, Simon, Bass... Mac's desperation and rapid posting read as genuine to me; I can't see a baddie drawing all that attention to himself, especially in a game where inactives have gotten to coast so easily. Which leads me to question indiglo for continuing to jump down his throat. Will do some reading of that tomorrow.

My inidglo read went nowhere, and it looks like I'm not gonna stop the Mac train at this point. So, leetic and a continuing vote on Blooper.

I feel like I'm being set up. Literally the last post of the previous day was Scotty calling me out for a rushed vote, and then he gets NK'd. Of course that's going to throw suspicion my way.

And I realized that we didn't finish our inactive hunting—we need to vote Aragorn. Jan was absent from Day 3 through Day 12 before Aragorn took over. There's also some negative back-and-forth between Aragorn and Scotty buried in Day 13, long enough ago that he might have thought able to get away with the NK now.

Well, y'all are barking up the wrong tree with me. If you want another name, pick Simon; Zuo's objection seems to be that he'd be hard to kill, but I've had suspicions throughout the game, and if it needs to be done it needs to be done. *votes DFaraday and Simon*

Who is cock? This guy. :P But seriously, good game everyone, and thanks much to Epi. I didn't think much about the civ factions because I did not receive a single night PM the entire game. Kind of shocked, tbh, but I guess I kept my radar level at just the right place.