The Syndicate

Hello everyone! I know, I know...I am in a game with like a million players. And I said I would never do it again. But the thing is, if I didn't sign up, then Epi's game would never get played. I mean, hell, he needed every active Syndicater in order to start the damn thing!! And then some, honestly. I see Simon is playing. He isn't even a regularly active Syndicater.

I have a question for the host. Can we vote for ourselves to be prefect?

I'll help a little...

No one should ever mess with Ariel!

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Honestly the fact JJJ is such an active civ is one reason for me to put him on my "do not trust" list, not the opposite.

Specially sice I've seen him admit he tries hard to make his baddie meta as civ-looking as possible.

I'm not sure I really understand your point. I think most people are voting JJJ because: #1) He is a thorough player and #2) He is an active player and we know he won't flake on us a few days in.

And, don't we ALL try to make our baddie meta as "civ-looking" as possible? I've never known anyone to get a baddie role and try to look bad...well, except maybe MovingPictures that one time

Sorsha wrote:To commerate the US getting their first woman president in a few months I propose we nominate a chic.

I will be voting for two of these:

Bubbles
Elohcin
LoRab
nijuukyugou
rabbit8
Spacedaisy
S~V~S

I don't want it and Nutella says she doesn't either so I'll honor her wishes. If you are one of the ladies on this list and don't want to be chosen just say so.

I want it. But please leave Hilary out of it.

FIVE PAGES!!!! And Day 0 still has hours before it's over.

Everytime I have a chance to come look at this thread, I see three (or more) more pages have been filled during my absence. All of a sudden I'm overcome with an extreme lack of motivation. Kind of like the feeling I used to get when I would go to the gym, walk up the stairs and see the row of treadmills waiting for me to walk aboard and move my legs over and over again in a running fashion without the ability to change my geographic location. I mean, it's a severe lack of motivation!

That said, I have read a little about the dueling aspect. I think we ought to put up two people we are suspicious of. I know this means that the winner (even though we are suspicious of them too) will get benefits, but really..how often are we actually right about our suspicions? And with this many people playing, I can only imagine that we will be less accurate about who is good and who is bad. We might as well try to get the baddies out even if that means one may have a chance win/receive benefits. Anyway...that's my two cents about the situation. ta-ta for now.

Done with work (for now) and I realized I gotta choose two people pretty quickly. So, another 3 pages to read, but I don't have time. I voted wilgy and bubbles.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:So, we have two baddie factions that are supposed to kill each night and neither of them did. Is an entire team filled with inactives?

There are obviously other possibilities, but this game is as lurker-loaded as anticipated so it could be.

I was thinking the same thing. And Epi usually accepts group PMs if I remember correctly, so even if there is one active player, they should be able to submit the kill, I would think anyway. However, we have to keep in mind all the secrets and other crap loaded into games like this. You never know what could have happened. Benefits were given out to the prefects as well as the winner of the Day 1 Duel. So....maybe one team was inactive and the other had something working against them. Not sure. But I am with you that there has to be at least some inactive baddies b/c there are so many inactives in the first place.

Also, I like your theory on MM.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I'm only sad that I couldn't face DrWilgy in a duel myself.

Nobody died, there are two mafia teams that can kill. I wouldn't be surprised if at least one of them missed their kill.

And in other news, JaggedJimmyJay is bad.

What's yer beef, Marmot?

Epignosis posted it, and he knows your role.

Shoot, I looked at that post from Epi and I thought....."whatever, moving on," There's probably something like a 90% chance that Zhuge Liang is wrong. MM, you're just having fun and stirring the pot

Oh my goodness....I am reading and making comments on posts and then I get to the bottom of the page and there are three more pages to go! I think I'll go watch some tv.

The day is ending soon. I voted MM and Russ.

nutella wrote:Oh I think I get the chart now?

I don't. Been staring at it a while now and I have no clue.

I voted Sorsha and TH. I have my reasons but probably shouldn't share them with the class.

Quin wrote:

Elohcin wrote:I voted Sorsha and TH. I have my reasons but probably shouldn't share them with the class.

I think you should.

If I do, I may be punished.

Ricochet wrote:

Elohcin wrote:I voted Sorsha and TH. I have my reasons but probably shouldn't share them with the class.

Pretty please?

Whatcha gonna offer to put on top?

Scotty wrote:

Elohcin wrote:I voted Sorsha and TH. I have my reasons but probably shouldn't share them with the class.

Why? What don't you want the class to know?

Do you know TH is bad because he's your teammate? or because you know something we don't? (Can you even answer the latter anyway?)

Maybe I was talking about Sorsha? Why did you assume TH? Maybe b/c he's YOUR teammate? OOOO!!

Ricochet wrote:

Elohcin wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

Elohcin wrote:I voted Sorsha and TH. I have my reasons but probably shouldn't share them with the class.

Pretty please?

Whatcha gonna offer to put on top?

Apricot.

Apricots get you nuthin.

Looks like they're killing the talkers. Baddies must be people who don't like to read.

Sorsha wrote:

nutella wrote:Damn. Sorry Timmer and RIP Rico.

I am inclined to go after Sorsha and TH today especially considering Eloh's implication. Russ is still up there for me as well.

I'm fine with dueling again but whatever Eloh's implication meant it's not about me being bad. At least one other player should know that by now though.

If I had been around yesterday I'd have voted for myself and probably inh again.

Just curious, Sorsha, Why would you have voted yourself?

Aren't you afraid you will lose and that will be that, MP?

Sorsha wrote:

Elohcin wrote:

Sorsha wrote:

nutella wrote:Damn. Sorry Timmer and RIP Rico.

I am inclined to go after Sorsha and TH today especially considering Eloh's implication. Russ is still up there for me as well.

I'm fine with dueling again but whatever Eloh's implication meant it's not about me being bad. At least one other player should know that by now though.

If I had been around yesterday I'd have voted for myself and probably inh again.

Just curious, Sorsha, Why would you have voted yourself?

Default for not having a strong second suspicion

And you're not afraid to lose? Wouldn't you rather vote a very low poster instead?

I wouldn't say I was focused on Sorsha. I am more focused on those who are eagerly willing to battle. I asked MP as well about his eagerness. I wanted to get feedback from both of them. Voting for Sorsha and asking Sorsha and MP about their eagerness are not related in my thought process.

I am voting MP for sure. But I don't know who to vote second. Any volunteers?

Simon - do you want to battle?

goodness, this page is being nutso. Okay, according to Niju, Russ wanted to be voted for. And I know MP did too. SO I voted for those two.

I know I haven't talked a lot this game. You know how I am in huge ass games!!! But as we are losing people (Achem....JJJ...) I am able to keep up a little better. So my thoughts on the whole MP voted for Caps and Caps voted for MP (for prefect) is this...
Would they really have done that if they were both bad? Wouldn't that be too obvious? I mean...we were allowed to vote ourselves. SO...if they were both bad, why not both just self vote, then there is no connection to be made between the two of them.

**Disclaimer** this post in no way supports the idea that the self voters (for prefect) were/are bad :P

On another note: I can see the Quin suspicion/theory as being true.

DFaraday wrote:

Elohcin wrote:I know I haven't talked a lot this game. You know how I am in huge ass games!!! But as we are losing people (Achem....JJJ...) I am able to keep up a little better. So my thoughts on the whole MP voted for Caps and Caps voted for MP (for prefect) is this...
Would they really have done that if they were both bad? Wouldn't that be too obvious? I mean...we were allowed to vote ourselves. SO...if they were both bad, why not both just self vote, then there is no connection to be made between the two of them.

**Disclaimer** this post in no way supports the idea that the self voters (for prefect) were/are bad :P

On another note: I can see the Quin suspicion/theory as being true.

We all had two votes, so if they were teammates, they could vote for themselves as well as a teammate. However, if this theory is true, none of them did that. JJJ voted himself and Scotty, MP voted JJJ and Caps, and Caps voted JJJ and MP.

I don't think it would be a bad strategy for that team to vote each other. JJJ is pretty much always read as supatown and a low poster like Caps is usually able to slide by unnoticed for a good while. Really it was good luck that MP got lynched this time, since there was no real concerted push against him, and if this is indeed the Yellow Turban team, I wouldn't doubt that they expected to last quite a while without drawing suspicion.

Okay, so this does make Caps look bad. Doesn't mean he is.

Quin wrote:

Elohcin wrote:I know I haven't talked a lot this game. You know how I am in huge ass games!!! But as we are losing people (Achem....JJJ...) I am able to keep up a little better. So my thoughts on the whole MP voted for Caps and Caps voted for MP (for prefect) is this...
Would they really have done that if they were both bad? Wouldn't that be too obvious? I mean...we were allowed to vote ourselves. SO...if they were both bad, why not both just self vote, then there is no connection to be made between the two of them.

**Disclaimer** this post in no way supports the idea that the self voters (for prefect) were/are bad :P

On another note: I can see the Quin suspicion/theory as being true.

What Quin suspicion/theory?

the one right before I wrote that post.

Someone else picked your name out first and said something about it that made sense to me. It's been quite a long few days and I cannot even remember what it was that they said or even who said it. I was commenting on THAT person's post. You are getting quite squirmy over the whole situation. That makes me more suspicious of you than what was originally said.

Quin wrote:

Elohcin wrote:Someone else picked your name out first and said something about it that made sense to me. It's been quite a long few days and I cannot even remember what it was that they said or even who said it. I was commenting on THAT person's post. You are getting quite squirmy over the whole situation. That makes me more suspicious of you than what was originally said.

References to me being squirmy please.

I'm talking about all the posts you've made this afternoon....like you are getting all scared I'm going to vote you just b/c I agreed with something someone said about you.

Quin wrote:btw, 'right before' is not the same as 'a few days ago'. I think you're backpedalling.

A few days ago? I don't remember saying a few days ago. Bah-humbug, I guess I actually have to go an look for the post I was talking about now. It was a linki for me after that ISO of MP that you were mentioned in.

**Looks back at posts from earlier today**

Hmm...I cannot find what I was talking about. I must have misread something at the time. Derp.

Sorry, I've really not been paying attention too much all game.

Quin wrote:

Elohcin wrote:

Quin wrote:

Elohcin wrote:Someone else picked your name out first and said something about it that made sense to me. It's been quite a long few days and I cannot even remember what it was that they said or even who said it. I was commenting on THAT person's post. You are getting quite squirmy over the whole situation. That makes me more suspicious of you than what was originally said.

References to me being squirmy please.

I'm talking about all the posts you've made this afternoon....like you are getting all scared I'm going to vote you just b/c I agreed with something someone said about you.

Quin wrote:btw, 'right before' is not the same as 'a few days ago'. I think you're backpedalling.

A few days ago? I don't remember saying a few days ago. Bah-humbug, I guess I actually have to go an look for the post I was talking about now. It was a linki for me after that ISO of MP that you were mentioned in.

**Looks back at posts from earlier today**

Hmm...I cannot find what I was talking about. I must have misread something at the time. Derp.

Sorry, I've really not been paying attention too much all game.

If you think being squirmy involves addressing points and accusations that are not in my favour, then yes, I was squirmiest little worm you've ever seen.

I believe the only other person to plainly say he suspected me was Luffy, but if I recall that was a.miscommunication. Is that who you're thinking of?

Yes, that must have been it. Sorry, man.

@ Sloon: I guess Quin is cool. I don;t have any beef with him at the moment anyway. We had a misunderstanding, that's all. My fault for not fully comprehending my skimming the thread.

I think I forgot to post when I voted My day has been nuts, sorry.

I went with DDL and Bass. I really don't see that Caps is bad.

nutella wrote:

MacDougall wrote:

Quin wrote:

MacDougall wrote:Also possible that Elohcin is Lu Bu and selected a faction that she discovered Sorsha was part of.

This also seems counter productive.

Okay facts:

Elohcin infodumped intel on Sorsha being bad.
Elohcin has abruptly stopped seeking Sorsha's lynch.

There is at least 1 recruitment role in the game. There is also a role that can join a faction.

Give me a better explanation for why she did the former.

Also explain you are so vociferous in your defense of her.

Mac, your conspiracy theory is interesting and all, but I think you're missing one key possibility. I also initially read Eloh as hinting at having info, but then someone else said that they saw it as a forced vote, and I think that makes sense. If Eloh was forced to vote for Sorsha and/or TH on that day and wasn't allowed to say so, it would certainly explain why she didn't further pursue Sorsha -- and honestly I think the fact that she pretty clearly avoided mentioning Sorsha the next day looked to me like she was trying to confirm the force-vote theory. You could be right, but I seriously doubt that if she was recruited she would so obviously suddenly stop naming Sorsha, she'd probably back off more slowly. I think her unexplained vote combined with the abrupt abandonment makes a lot more sense as a forced vote.

Its so funny, b/c I didn't infodump anything. AND, I didn't even clarify who I was talking about in my post. Some people assumed I was talking about Sorsha. Some people assumed I was talking about TH.

Golden wrote:Elo went for Sorsha on day 3, then came this on day 4.

Elohcin wrote:I wouldn't say I was focused on Sorsha. I am more focused on those who are eagerly willing to battle. I asked MP as well about his eagerness. I wanted to get feedback from both of them. Voting for Sorsha and asking Sorsha and MP about their eagerness are not related in my thought process.

This felt like it was in response to people suggesting Elo had info, to me, and I took this post to mean 'I didn't have info'.

The idea elo could have been recruited in there is viable, but I wouldn't call it a fact.

It was only a coincidence that I started talking about Sorsha the next day. I said it then and I will say it now. There was no relation between my vote for TH and Sorsha that one day and then me talking to/about Sorsha the next day. I only talked to/about Sorsha the next day b/c she said she was willing to be voted for. I had also talked to/about MP that day b/c he said the same. SO...my Sorsha/TH vote the one day had NOTHING to do with the talk to/about Sorsha/MP on the next day. Whatever you take from that, I don't know. I am just stating the facts.

As for recruitment....@ whoever is thinking/talking about it....are you thinking I was recruited to be bad? 'Cause if so, you are wrong. I haven't been recruited to be bad and I haven't been recruited at all. I am the same as I was when I entered this game. I was apathetic (sorry Epi) then and I am apathetic now. I am just here to go along for the ride.

And Golden, FWIW, I think you are wrong about Simon. I mean, I could be wrong. But he's NINE! I think he was just here to fill a spot to get the huge game started. I think he is just along for the ride too.

Bass_the_Clever wrote:Quinn I formally challenge you to a duel.

See, this here intrigues me. When people are willing to volunteer to duel. A roll of the dice and you could be out....just like that. If Quin accepts, I will vote Bass and Quin.

@Golden....I am not sure about this time with so many players, but I don't think Epi ever randomizes his roles like many hosts do. I think that is part of the fun as being a host.

Golden wrote:

Elohcin wrote:@Golden....I am not sure about this time with so many players, but I don't think Epi ever randomizes his roles like many hosts do. I think that is part of the fun as being a host.

I'm certain he never fully randomises, but does that mean he would never make Simon bad or Simon would never want to be bad? Do you think it very likely that Simon would roll town in an Epi game?

I can see if it were a theme that Simon was interested in, he would want to pick his role and it may be a bad role. But I don't see that happening here.

Bass_the_Clever wrote:

Golden wrote:I'm townreading bass too. I won't be voting that way.

Scotty said he would get back to responding to my points, but he never did.

Elo's points about simon have led me to drop my simon suspicion.

I'm voting for scotty and DDL.

No vote me against DDL.

okay

I'm voting for Bass tonight...Who else do we think is bad?

went with bass and dom

Bass must be one powerful bitch.

I don't understand why the thread isn't locked though. Epi says I must not be paying attention. I guess I missed something.

I see, you cannot have a poll and lock the thread at the same time I will vote fooooorrr..............
JJJ.

Dom wrote:Hm.... JJJ was a civ-- who's been trying their best to paint him as bad?

Wow...and see I was going to give an explanation of why I voted for JJJ but thought to keep my mouth shut since I don't have true evidence. But...I voted JJJ b/c I thought maybe this was a "bring someone back" poll. I thought JJJ was civ and thought whoever started the whole JJJ is bad thing is the one who is actually bad. Anyone know who started that train of thought?

Also, may I say that my instincts have been spot on this game despite not getting caught up in all the details of what everyone is saying. Meaning, I am not keeping up with the thread too much, but I do read for tone here and there and I have been wrong ONE time on who is who regarding roles and what not. B/c of that, I think I will share my thoughts on golden and Lorab. I think both are bad. The whole thing where golden changed his mind so quickly about Simon....I didn't say it at the time, but it pinged me somethin' awful. Lorab's overall tone has made me thing she is bad. And they both voted for TH most recently, who I think is also bad. Maybe they thought it was a resurrect poll as well.

Quin wrote:

Elohcin wrote:

Dom wrote:Hm.... JJJ was a civ-- who's been trying their best to paint him as bad?

Wow...and see I was going to give an explanation of why I voted for JJJ but thought to keep my mouth shut since I don't have true evidence. But...I voted JJJ b/c I thought maybe this was a "bring someone back" poll. I thought JJJ was civ and thought whoever started the whole JJJ is bad thing is the one who is actually bad. Anyone know who started that train of thought?

Also, may I say that my instincts have been spot on this game despite not getting caught up in all the details of what everyone is saying. Meaning, I am not keeping up with the thread too much, but I do read for tone here and there and I have been wrong ONE time on who is who regarding roles and what not. B/c of that, I think I will share my thoughts on golden and Lorab. I think both are bad. The whole thing where golden changed his mind so quickly about Simon....I didn't say it at the time, but it pinged me somethin' awful. Lorab's overall tone has made me thing she is bad. And they both voted for TH most recently, who I think is also bad. Maybe they thought it was a resurrect poll as well.

I did. Why does it makes me bad?

You did what? Voted for TH? I never said it made you bad. In fact, I don;t even remember mentioning your name at all Scotty voted for TH too. I don't think he is bad. Your reaction is odd imo. Anyone who has been playing mafia more than a game or two would know that not EVERYONE in the vote line-up will be of the same alignment. Weird Quin, weird.

Dom wrote:

Elohcin wrote:

Dom wrote:Hm.... JJJ was a civ-- who's been trying their best to paint him as bad?

Wow...and see I was going to give an explanation of why I voted for JJJ but thought to keep my mouth shut since I don't have true evidence. But...I voted JJJ b/c I thought maybe this was a "bring someone back" poll. I thought JJJ was civ and thought whoever started the whole JJJ is bad thing is the one who is actually bad. Anyone know who started that train of thought?

Also, may I say that my instincts have been spot on this game despite not getting caught up in all the details of what everyone is saying. Meaning, I am not keeping up with the thread too much, but I do read for tone here and there and I have been wrong ONE time on who is who regarding roles and what not. B/c of that, I think I will share my thoughts on golden and Lorab. I think both are bad. The whole thing where golden changed his mind so quickly about Simon....I didn't say it at the time, but it pinged me somethin' awful. Lorab's overall tone has made me thing she is bad. And they both voted for TH most recently, who I think is also bad. Maybe they thought it was a resurrect poll as well.

...except that I've asked you twice why you voted for me and you haven't answered.

Sorry, I don't read the thread much. I've been working 8 hour days (weekends too) on top of school and household chores. I honestly don;t remember why I've voted you. Perhaps cause others were voting you and I didn't want my vote to mean nothing.

Did I seriously get that confused? Man, I don't even know what to say. I am going to go look at the poll thread. I assume there is a poll thread for this game. I did vote for JJJ, right? Man I am confused. Did I say I've been working 8 hour days AND doing school with the kiddos on top of normal household stuff? Aye-Aye-Aye. On the plus side, my RL is going great. Look at my kids (students) y'all. At least I'm doing something right

Golden wrote:You voted Jay.

Looking back, I think what you got confused about is who I voted and who LoRab voted. We both voted Glorfindel.

Okay. that's what it was, I guess. I still have to look at the vote thread. As soon as I posted, I was called to supper. Then cleaned up and now I'm folding clothes. I will get there eventually.

So...my theory may be mute....not sure yet.

okay, yup....I totally messed that one up. I think I will go back to not talking.

Golden wrote:

Elohcin wrote:okay, yup....I totally messed that one up. I think I will go back to not talking.

Quesiton though - why am I suspicious for listening to you when it comes to Simon. Don't you think it is fair for me to expect you to have the best read?

Yes. I do think I would be best to know if Simon is good or bad. But the way you backed off so quickly makes me think you didn't have much of a theory for him being bad in the first place. Who throws out accusations without much substance? Baddies do.

Golden wrote:

Elohcin wrote:

Golden wrote:

Elohcin wrote:okay, yup....I totally messed that one up. I think I will go back to not talking.

Quesiton though - why am I suspicious for listening to you when it comes to Simon. Don't you think it is fair for me to expect you to have the best read?

Yes. I do think I would be best to know if Simon is good or bad. But the way you backed off so quickly makes me think you didn't have much of a theory for him being bad in the first place. Who throws out accusations without much substance? Baddies do.

I think it was very clear that the accusation had little substance from the start, so I find it odd that you would only notice how little substance it had because I listened to you. I've admitted to the fact I'm not reading the thread, and I would say the only suspicion I've had with any substance at all is the one of Scotty. That's something like 14 votes I've made that lack any substance at all.

HAHAHA....see, I am not reading much of the thread either :P And I have said so as well, but I never saw where you said that. so I only assumed your theory had little substance once you changed your mind so quickly. Poor Epi. He put so much into this game and no one is even paying attention. At least I told him before signing up that I wouldn't be paying much attention. But I still feel bad. It's just not an awesome time for Mafia for me right now.

apparently a lot of people aren't reading or participating in votes either.

Golden wrote:Don't get me wrong... it's not that I'm not enjoying the game, and I love epi's theming always. It's just that I don't want to get too invested in a game that I might have to stop playing if the baby comes, because otherwise I won't stop playing, and my wife will be upset.

I thought the baby was due in October. I guess I was wrong. So excited for you two. I wanna see pictures!!