The Syndicate

Checking in, and boy do those treasures look tasty.

Jan wrote:

Hello there, checking in. What is a prefect?

Someone just a letter away from being perfect.
You should vote me! I'm at least a letter away from being perfect!

Russtifinko wrote:Agreed, JJJ.

Hey, I REALLY like the idea of the "whoever does ____ first, gets my votes" posts. They prevent people from finding excuses to give votes to baddie teammates. So I'm gonna do one too, and would suggest others do the same (even though it's an itsy bit late for a few).

The first two people to post pictures or emojis of platypi earn my votes.

Well not to be a Debbie downer, but all it takes is a quick chat in BTSC to say "I'm posting the next player to post in Sanskrit will get my vote"

Not that that is happening, but I'm just being devil's advocate here .



Also, vote for me. I'll be a better president than Herbert Hoover

Hello ole sports! I am campaigning for a Prefect position!

Who am I? I am a player in Mafia who boldly goes where no man has gone before. Every game, I will spout things from my head orifice that has never been said, nor ever should be said.
I'm obsessive, and even when I don't have the proper time to commit to things, I will do my best to stay involved!

What do I stand for? Listen, I'll tell you what I don't stand for. Liars. Purple People Eaters. Slugs. Cherry Tomatoes. Especially Cherry Tomatoes.

"I'm not crazy"- the voices tell me to divulge this information so as to develop a sense of trust among the masses. You might hear my detractors push this element against me. To them I say: Would you rather jump out a moving train or gargle boiling McDonalds coffee?

Anyway fam, I don't know what the prefect role entails, but I am perfectly capable of whatever the role throws at me. I've sprained my neck while skiing; I got a paper cut once; I've established dominance over my neighbor's cat; I've been mislynched by most of the players in this game before- so I know firsthand what it takes to pererserve through adversity.

That's my pitch.

#voteScotty #imnotthrowinawaymyshot #theroomwhereithappens #imalexanderhamilton

As for who I'm going to vote for: I'd vote for someone who leads with their best foot forward.
If you've only got one foot, go ahead and raise your hand to make it easier for me.
If you've got no hands, I'm so so so so sorry.

I'm leaning towards voting for DDL for going against the grain on the JJJ vote. I think a civ JJJ is a great asset, and a bad JJJ is devastational for town.

My second vote is still up in the air.

Linki: JJJ- honestly no wrinkles, but casual is fine. Don't wear the same color shirt as pants, and don't wear a shirt that is smelly or has offensive writing.for a first coffee date, it's all in the confidence and simplicity. Good hygiene is a plus.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Scotty wrote:Linki: JJJ- honestly no wrinkles, but casual is fine. Don't wear the same color shirt as pants, and don't wear a shirt that is smelly or has offensive writing.for a first coffee date, it's all in the confidence and simplicity. Good hygiene is a plus.

One of my votes is covered. The other will go to someone who is overtly town in appearance.

Can't wait to hear your GTH reads at the beginning of Day 1

Thank you for the vote of confidence, Nero and DF! Keep em coming!

I voted for DDL and moi.

Quin wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:

Quin wrote:If I had a third vote, itd be for Scotty. His love for cherry tomatoes is all I need to put him at the top of my rainbow list.

Scotty wrote:What do I stand for? Listen, I'll tell you what I don't stand for. Liars. Purple People Eaters. Slugs. Cherry Tomatoes. Especially Cherry Tomatoes.

Your entire life is a lie.

I take back what I said. I'm a hot mess.

Dunny wrote:At this moment in time I'm willing to throw a vote Scotty way as the hilarity of his pitch has genuinely brightened up my bad day, still debating on where to put my second vote.

I know none of you really know me so I doubt anyone will vote for me, but if you don't that would be great. I don't handle responsibility too well haha

What if you had the responsibility to be a well natured civ? Could I count on you?

Dunny wrote: On a quick note is there any form of site or page where it gives you the run down on abbreviations for mafia? I was reading through a game on another site today and read WIFOM, it took me 15 minutes to realise what the hell was going on

This has a lot of commonly used ones:
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... reviations

You'll also get inside jokes that only we use, like "bullsuit" and other things that I am unfamiliar with, but those are easy to pick up on.

Bass_the_Clever wrote:On a serious note, where is everyone?

I'm in New York.

funny story: I just found a homeless man living in the bathroom of this high rise where im auditioning. He crawled out from under the stall while I was peeing and I didn't even finish before I booked it out to the lobby. Gotta love new york

Bass_the_Clever wrote:So, two weeks ago, Mom aka Roxy, fell on a broken step at her apartment and fractured her face in two places, and fractured her skull. Nothing needed surgery but she got really banged up and hurt. If any of you know her on a personal level I'm sure it would cheer her up to hear from some old pals.

I'm so sorry to hear that, Bass. Hope her recovery is swift!

insertnamehere wrote:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:

Glorfindel wrote:Working on the assumption that a 'Prefect' is a position of some significant authority and influence, can anyone explain to me why Golden only has one vote? I mean SERIOUSLY? He was (is?) The Syndicate's representative at the Mafia Championships. He won a s#*^load of awards on this site this year (including The Syndicate MVP). He has demonstrated an ability for intelligent analysis and shown that he has the courage of his convictions (from my experience of him in Arkham Mafia). On top of all that, he's just a really nice guy... If anyone out there is still undecided, I'll be voting for him and for the reasons stated, I think you should too.

This is a mafia game, not a job interview. We are judging whether people are civ or bad.

and remember folks, nothing says trustworthy civilian like banners

Don't listen to this guy right here. He may have raised more capital for marketing and gotten more endorsements from corporations but I'm the grassroots prefect here. I will fight for the less confident civs- those that have felt disenfranchised, and don't want to prove their civness. This may be Day 0, but none of you are 0's to me. No sirree. I need a small push from those out there that are on the fence. Don't give in to the big talkers and panhandlers. I'm the man that can fix the engine.

Dom wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:

Dom wrote:

Golden wrote:

Bass_the_Clever wrote:

Golden wrote:Jay, why did you vote for yourself?

Because he skipped the rules section on page one. Lol

The rules say that self-voting is permitted, but it doesn't seem like a very Jay thing to do to give himself a potential reward.

Little Jay has to get a grip!

Hi Dom. U bad again?

Me? Bad? I'm the greatest there ever was.

Scotty is the single greatest threat to this website! He's an actor! He lies!

It's not lying, you dominatrix.

It's telling the truth under imaginary circumstances.

Thank you Dunny and Glorfindel! Your contribution will not go unnoticed.


I hope this means prefects will be NK proof.

With my luck, it'll probably be something like "You will die in the place of someone else in your faction when they are to be killed". Butcha knowut? That's ok, its what I signed up for. Like trick or treating at s house lacking lights and decorations: could be that sweet old lady with giant candy bars or it could be old man Fargas whose wife disappeared mysteriously last week and is giving out apples filled with razor blades.

insertnamehere wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:

Golden wrote:

Bass_the_Clever wrote:

Golden wrote:Jay, why did you vote for yourself?

Because he skipped the rules section on page one. Lol

The rules say that self-voting is permitted, but it doesn't seem like a very Jay thing to do to give himself a potential reward.

I disagree Golden.

I think what's actually most striking here is this "Why didn't everyone vote for themselves"?

Because some Prefect candidates are decent, hardworking people who aren't egotistically giving themselves an extra boost by voting for themselves. Some honorable, principled Prefect candidates want to win simply on their own merits! Crooked 3J over there already revealed his priorities with his vote: ME, ME, ME. Whereas some extremely intelligent and attractive candidates have been voted for BY THE PEOPLE and will work tirelessly FOR THE PEOPLE.

Au contraire por favor.

I think a self vote is admirable because a) it adheres to the rules and b) it shows confidence in yourself. Your votes for other people tells me you would far rather other people have this position over you.

I think I am a good candidate and voted myself as such. It seems other people agreed with me.

Simon wrote:I want S~V~S to be second in command.

And I will be leader.

I love that the Epi emoji is that.

Also, what's up? Why SVS?

Thank you for your kindness, supporters!

I'll have you all know I am now invulnerable to death, but please don't lynch or night kill me to make certain.

This Scot Ty fellow is a good apple. I lol'd

Caught up.

I was going to say exactly what JJJ said in regards to Boomslang, albeit probably in a less succinct way. His idea seems pretty sincere even though I don't agree with it.

I'm sorry to see Mp go. I know we've talked about this before in previous games- I almost felt like bowing out of Psych Mafia, but kept up. MP, I'm addicted to you, and just can't quit you. I wish you the best.
I also read his outburst as different from his baddie games I know him as. It's one thing to be overly defensive and use lack of time as the main factor, and it's another to blow up over a minute thing.
Mac's examples of his lack of time in his baddie game is rather unfair, because they don't have the same feel to them. They seem more controlled excuses in those games whereas this doesn't. I would expect MP to put up more of a calculated fight if he were bad, so I'm willing to foregoing voting him or his replacement.

I'm not sure if JJJ is being town or bad right now. Nothing has changed in my opinion, except that we are agreeing on the Boomslang point, and I actually agree with his stance for people looking to take advantage of the error in Boom's philosophy. Not exactly suspicious to me.

I'm probably gonna be voting low posters this phase. Surprise surprise.
Got my eye on Simon especially, for not answering my question posed to him.
And I'll be looking to whom hasn't checked in as we creep towards the EoD

I'm not liking MM's contributions so far this game. He has expressed desire to be a prefect and...nothing else. 1/10 will not prefect.

Jan wrote:This game is so huge it's hard to keep track.

But since I don't know most of you and all that has been posted so far sounds pretty irrelevant, to my taste, I'll wait with my vote until a later time of this Phase.

Hey Jan, I remember playing with you at JTM and I remember you being more active over there. That the game is huge and is hard to keep track is a lame excuse not to give anything. What is "relevant" to your taste that hasn't been posted yet?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Sorsha wrote:Hehe... I was like wth does "utr" mean... Unable to read?

Anyway, I think voting for those who are the most suspicions is the best bet.

Unable to rezz.

Speak of the marmot

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Also, my rainbow list looks something like this:

S~V~S
Turnip Head
MovingPictures07

Stay tuned for more.

I see.
I look forward to you placing someone who hasn't posted yet as your only civ on your rainbow list

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I'm leaving for a camping trip soon. I'll be back on Wednesday. Peace!

Oh hey Scotty, I posted this at the beginning.

And to be fair, I probably wouldn't have contributed, even if I was around.

Ah, I missed that. Unfortunately, your input since you've been back is going exactly how you admit it would go.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Also, my rainbow list looks something like this:

S~V~S
Turnip Head
MovingPictures07

Stay tuned for more.

Stay tuned for more...more what? Beer? Spears? Aneurysms?
What does the blue represent? Why do you suspect MP? Why anything? Why do I keep expecting you to expand upon your thoughts, knowing full well you're just gonna derp around them? Isn't that tbe definition of insanity?

You can't just post colorful words and not talk about them. Here's my rainbow list using your method:
Stalin
The Yuan Dynasty
Andy Richter
Crab People

Stay tuned for more.

Russtifinko wrote:So, do we have any volunteers to duel today?

You?

Jan wrote:

Scotty wrote:I'm not liking MM's contributions so far this game. He has expressed desire to be a prefect and...nothing else. 1/10 will not prefect.

Hey Jan, I remember playing with you at JTM and I remember you being more active over there. That the game is huge and is hard to keep track is a lame excuse not to give anything. What is "relevant" to your taste that hasn't been posted yet?

Oh hi there hunty, your name rings a bell.



However, I don't remember your playing style. I remembered Wilgy well because we were both scum in that one game we had.

I'll now pay more attention to you though. :P

And in response, what I read so far was just pretty much banter over who wants to be Prefect the most and in practice, it turned out to be a popularity contest. It's meaningless, what happens with these two that won it will be much more relevant than speculation. I cannot make out anything from you, JJJ and that third person getting elected prefects, really.

On my activity, I remember that using excessive gifs pissed off people a lot, so I have to keep it down a bit. I'm not really familiar with this type of mafia game too, so i'd rather be passive for a while and see what happens to get a general grip Also, speaking on JTM 90s Kids, I got much more active at the end of that game when less people were around and throughout most of the game I just pretty much responded to stuff once in a while. That's how I usually act when I'm new to a mafia community.

However, from my general experience of over 20 mafia games played and 3 hosted, Day One lynches are usually pretty much wild guesses and there's more meta and philosophy to them than necessary. I'm rather poor at guessing who is scum, I'd rather have some evidence first. Besides, literally nothing arose my suspicions yet. I reread everything while I'm writing this post and the only thing that made me raise an eyebrow was someone that said "civ reads tend to be more accurate than scum reads". LOL

It's ok, my playstyle is pretty off the cuff. All over the place. I appreciate the gifs- it livens up the wall posts from some of our resident James Joyces.
I do remember you contributing more in the 90's kids game as it went on, though to be honest someone killed me night 1 so I barely remember that game.

As for that last paragraph; I think you and I are going to get along nicely. I'm terrible at reading people on day 1 without proper vote analysis and he-said/she-said links

Dom wrote:Nutella must have a very good set of ears because she seems to have listened well. Good stuff-- great! ! Wondreful. Tremendous!

Oh please god I hope you're not going to be quoting him the rest of the game. Lord knows he has a quote for everything that could be committed in a game of Mafia, but just the easily indentifiable, awful syntax is triggering me.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Scotty wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I'm leaving for a camping trip soon. I'll be back on Wednesday. Peace!

Oh hey Scotty, I posted this at the beginning.

And to be fair, I probably wouldn't have contributed, even if I was around.

Ah, I missed that. Unfortunately, your input since you've been back is going exactly how you admit it would go.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Also, my rainbow list looks something like this:

S~V~S
Turnip Head
MovingPictures07

Stay tuned for more.

Stay tuned for more...more what? Beer? Spears? Aneurysms?
What does the blue represent? Why do you suspect MP? Why anything? Why do I keep expecting you to expand upon your thoughts, knowing full well you're just gonna derp around them? Isn't that tbe definition of insanity?

You can't just post colorful words and not talk about them. Here's my rainbow list using your method:
Stalin
The Yuan Dynasty
Andy Richter
Crab People

Stay tuned for more.

More colours and names attached to them.

But mainly, I'm fishing for a reaction from MP.

O rly.
Posting it 3 hours after his penultimate "I'm done and looking for a replacement" you were looking for a reaction from him?

Can't tell if joking or just a poor sport.

I wonder if baddie Mm and TH would open a can of worms to challenge each other.

MM challenged Russ, who politely declined. Sounds like Russ is chicken. Does he know he might lose?

I'm prolly still gonna vote an inactive because I don't like grasping at straws unless they're submerged in a milkshake.

Bubbles, DF, LoRab, rabbit and Soneji have still not checked in. I think it's just those 5.

@HOST: Is it possible to get the post histories of everyone at some point?

I see that DF is active in the other game, but still not here. So he gets my vote. Aaaand I'm randoming the other and it's rabbit.

Bass_the_Clever wrote:I don't know if this has been said, but I don't think voting people who haven't checked in yet is a good idea. Think about it, if they win they get a treasure or prize or whatever you want to call it. If they aren't active UT doesn't benefit the town at all. We gain no info from actions or whatever happens with these treasures. For that reason I can't get on board with that kind of vote.

We may never get info from treasures. Do you know what they do?

what is UT btw? All I see is Utah

DF is currently in the lead with 2 votes

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Pretty sure DF has posted a few times.

Oh good grief. You're right, I was looking at DP, who also has posted, so either way I'm a little teapot.

Now I feel bad

Ok, looking at DF's 2 posts, I don't feel as bad voting him. As far as low posters go, he hasn't inspired me.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Scotty wrote:

Bass_the_Clever wrote:I don't know if this has been said, but I don't think voting people who haven't checked in yet is a good idea. Think about it, if they win they get a treasure or prize or whatever you want to call it. If they aren't active UT doesn't benefit the town at all. We gain no info from actions or whatever happens with these treasures. For that reason I can't get on board with that kind of vote.

We may never get info from treasures. Do you know what they do?

what is UT btw? All I see is Utah

Yuck.

There are 38 players; this game figures to last a while. I am sure the benefits of winning a duel will show themselves eventually, and I think Bass's point is sound. Give me one suspect among the people who have more than eight posts.

Yuck??
JJJ have you never played a game with me? Why do I have to find something fishy about people that are posting? They're posting. That in and of itself lends to a more substantive game. Even if they're talkin of drivel. Talk to me again after this phase about other suspects.

If I HAD to pick someone, you come to mind as someone I could see myself suspecting down the road. But I would rather keep you around to gauge you better in case you are actually civ.

Turnip Head wrote:

Scotty wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Also, my rainbow list looks something like this:

S~V~S
Turnip Head
MovingPictures07

Stay tuned for more.

Stay tuned for more...more what? Beer? Spears? Aneurysms?
What does the blue represent? Why do you suspect MP? Why anything? Why do I keep expecting you to expand upon your thoughts, knowing full well you're just gonna derp around them? Isn't that tbe definition of insanity?

You can't just post colorful words and not talk about them. Here's my rainbow list using your method:
Stalin
The Yuan Dynasty
Andy Richter
Crab People

Stay tuned for more.

Scotty, I'd like to know why you buddied up to Crab People in this post.

whatchu got against crab people

Scotty wrote:

Dunny wrote:At this moment in time I'm willing to throw a vote Scotty way as the hilarity of his pitch has genuinely brightened up my bad day, still debating on where to put my second vote.

I know none of you really know me so I doubt anyone will vote for me, but if you don't that would be great. I don't handle responsibility too well haha

What if you had the responsibility to be a well natured civ? Could I count on you?

And why did you buddy up to Dunny in this one?

that was a hypothetical. But whatchu got against Dunny?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I'm going to hold an online seminar on Mafia Day 1 philosophy.

Who died and made you the master class teacher of Day 1?

Lol I would still take it because I'm always open to hearing people's strategies.

Bass_the_Clever wrote:OK I won't be around much before the end if the poll so I'm going to go ahead and vote.
My first vote will be for Scotty because most of his post have seemed like filler to me then and that of substance besides him trying to be prefect . Then his votes seems like throw away votes to me.
My second vote will be for MM because he has been active and not really added anything to the thread beside enough to look active. That seems like flying under the radar to me.

That's fair. It is what it is. But at least I have a reason for voting as opposed to someone swooping in, and random.org'ing it up without rhyme or reason.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Honestly I just avoid analysing anything Scotty says or does until the end of day 1. Because he is always random and illogical during that time, regrdless of alignment. His posts are just for laughing.

But the thing is, I don't think I'm illogical. Random, maybe. But I at least have logic in my randomness. Or try to.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Fellow intelligent beings, make sure to get all of your words in since we can't talk at night.

Good point.

Why did you list SVS among your rainbow list even though she hadn't talked before then?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Scotty wrote:

Bass_the_Clever wrote:OK I won't be around much before the end if the poll so I'm going to go ahead and vote.
My first vote will be for Scotty because most of his post have seemed like filler to me then and that of substance besides him trying to be prefect . Then his votes seems like throw away votes to me.
My second vote will be for MM because he has been active and not really added anything to the thread beside enough to look active. That seems like flying under the radar to me.

That's fair. It is what it is. But at least I have a reason for voting as opposed to someone swooping in, and random.org'ing it up without rhyme or reason.

What is that reason for voting? You've said DF doesn't "inspire" you among the players with few posts. What makes him worse than the other low-content people?

That's an attempt to justify my vote for him. I dun goofed by voting for him today as I overlooked that he had posted, but that was my one consolation for doing so.

My reason for voting is for non-participation. If I could take back my DF vote, I would vote for either Bubbles, LoRab or Soneji.

Sorsha wrote:Dom is making me laugh so I'm not voting for him.

I think I'm going to vote for two of the prefects. Jimmy, Scotty, INH... See who's the toughest.

Wtf does toughest mean? I have a thick skin, though I work out at the gym to thin it out.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Scotty wrote:Yuck??
JJJ have you never played a game with me? Why do I have to find something fishy about people that are posting? They're posting. That in and of itself lends to a more substantive game. Even if they're talkin of drivel. Talk to me again after this phase about other suspects.

If I HAD to pick someone, you come to mind as someone I could see myself suspecting down the road. But I would rather keep you around to gauge you better in case you are actually civ.

I have played games with you. Indeed I just played one about phobias in which you pushed the easy button eternally and you were bad. So when you do it here you can expect to hear about it.

What do you mean "you could see yourself suspecting me down the road"? Am I suspicious now to some degree?

I play the "easy button" on day 1 regardless of my alignment. This is a terrible way to gauge my badness.
This stemmed from perpetually getting lynched on day 1 or getting NK'd night 1. It's in one part survival strategy in these awful 'must-lynch-someone' day 1's. The other part is- sometimes inactives can be bad, or laying low. Sometimes they can be good. Which sucks, but in the scheme of things, it could be worse, like eliminating someone that is actively contributing to the thread.

As for suspecting you- I don't really right now. I think you have been pacing yourself this phase, and are rather cautious in your reads. But you haven't voted so who knows what you're really thinking. So down the line, I'll have a better idea of your thinking and motivations. Right now, you're just a pair of clown shoes waiting to be put on.

Sorsha wrote:

Scotty wrote:

Sorsha wrote:Dom is making me laugh so I'm not voting for him.

I think I'm going to vote for two of the prefects. Jimmy, Scotty, INH... See who's the toughest.

Wtf does toughest mean? I have a thick skin, though I work out at the gym to thin it out.

Most macho?

Well, I can lift my dog's weight.

I'm kind of a big deal.

Turnip Head wrote:I think I'm going to start voting for Scotty every time he votes for inactive players on Day 1.

Can't do nothin bout that. U do U

DFaraday wrote:I'm not liking Dom's rationale regarding Bass. Since Bass is generally a low poster, that feels like Dom is setting up an easy excuse for voting down the road.

Also Sorsha wanting to vote prefects sounds like a bad idea to me. I get the impression that prefects have important abilities or something, so why would we want to put them up to lynch right away?

I appreciate the defending, DF. I'm sorry I voted you.

Speaking of prefects, remember that other prefect who ran a campaign on ads and banners?

Yeah, he's been absent this entire phase. What's that about? Sounds scandalous to me.

Turnip Head wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Dunny wrote:Does that make sense? I feel like this post lacks sense

I got you mang.

I may not vote for you today. I can't quite decide whether you're being too earnest, but that I am experiencing cognitive dissonance on that is a better thing than flat suspicion would be. I'd need an alternative though.

You could always vote for Scotty with me

Are you looking to vote me for the sole reason that you don't agree with my Day 1 philosophy, or that you think I am bad?

Turnip Head wrote:

Scotty wrote:Are you looking to vote me for the sole reason that you don't agree with my Day 1 philosophy, or that you think I am bad?

My intention is to either force you to stop hiding behind your Day 1 mantra, or to otherwise get in on your ingenious racket.

I ain't hidin. I'm pretty straightforward.
I don't understand what you mean by forcing me to get in on my ingenious racket.

DrWilgy wrote:

nutella wrote:Oh I also want to hear more from Wilgy. I feel like he's usually a lot more active than this, but I keep forgetting he's even in this game and I don't think that's a good sign. Likewise with sig, to a slightly lesser extent.

How could you forget about me LoRab? I was at work and had dnd night, but never left...

wat

It's like you just woke up from a bad dream at precisely the time someone talks about you

Turnip Head wrote:

Scotty wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:

Scotty wrote:Are you looking to vote me for the sole reason that you don't agree with my Day 1 philosophy, or that you think I am bad?

My intention is to either force you to stop hiding behind your Day 1 mantra, or to otherwise get in on your ingenious racket.

I ain't hidin. I'm pretty straightforward.
I don't understand what you mean by forcing me to get in on my ingenious racket.

I meant deal me in, sweetcheeks. If I vote for you on Day 1 every time you vote for an inactive on Day 1, I get a free pass just like you

This isn't a barter system. If you're participating and are around on day 1, odds are I'm not voting for you Day 1 anyway. Everyone has their day 1 quirks. It sounds like you are choosing to vote me as a policy and not that you think I am bad, and that I don't think is a great way of going about things.

Turnip Head wrote:You're being weird about this.

Hi