The Syndicate

I'm hungry, so I'm gonna go ahead and stake my claim on one of these.

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I hope you'll forgive me llama.

Clearly the humor imbued by my joke is still sinking in.

The best jokes are the ones that can be interpreted and enjoyed in numerous unintended ways.

I got a role from another game. Do you think llama messed up?

Votes are not changeable in this poll.

I'd volunteer, but I promised myself I wouldn't be lynched Day 1.

Also, hello again Snow Dog!

thellama73 wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:I never did play these games; I should.
The first two are available as iPad apps for very reasonable fees. Play at least the first one if you want us to remain friends.

Because we're such good friends, I know you'll play it again for me and tell me how it was.

Boomslang wrote:Today has been very quiet so far... Not much to go on other than Vomps asking for volunteers. Which is asking people to do the civs' work for them, but in Day 1, I suppose it's just an opening gambit.

Take your hands off your ears, and maybe you'll hear all the things people have to say.

All the things.

Snow Dog wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:I got a role from another game. Do you think llama messed up?
So what happened? Did he?

I don't think he did. I did roll-claim earlier, so I'll just let you guys decide.

Nachomamma8 wrote:
Vompatti wrote:As for the lynch, are there any volunteers?
There's a lot of fluff happening so far (which I don't mind, just an observation), so it's possible that I'm clinging to anything that seems the slightest bit alignment indicative, but I liked this. I think it's something that baddies would be less likely to do than goodies, but don't have anything backing me up on that except for instinct.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I'd volunteer, but I promised myself I wouldn't be lynched Day 1.
And, since I'm explaining gut reads, this reads along the same lines.
I find that "I won't be lynched Day 1!" is more commonly a baddie goal than a goodie one (people are usually more afraid of being lynched instantly when they lack the power of the truth on their side), and generally baddies don't like sharing their goals in thread unless I've stumbled onto a much different meta than I'm used to.

What if Vompatti and I are teammates and this is all part of an elaborate scheme?

I like you nachomamma. Have we played together before?

Linki:

Linki x2: Sometimes when you make a post, you'll submit it, and someone else will have posted while you were typing your own. Linki is the tag for responding for that intermediate post.

Nachomamma8 wrote:also MM i think we did play together :o

Well I'll be damned. Good to see you again all these years later.

Would anyone believe me if I told them I've got a town read on myself?

Nachomamma8 wrote:And if I die before I wake then thanks for the game, I had fun and I look forward to seeing you all in the future.

My current rainbow list:

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Bean dip anyone?

Nachomamma8 wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:Stop voting for me.
Vote Motel Room!

I disagree with Epignosis's analysis but I like that it exists and that means maybe Motel Room was the right vote after all!

What' your beef with motel room?

Boomslang wrote:Well, I've got to get to work. I think MP is trying to make Epi's observation something it's not, but I know MP is prone to that sort of analysis and thus it doesn't ping very bad for me. Voting motel room for the aforementioned reasons; to MM, it's because he signaled engagement with the early check in, seems to have artificially boosted his post count when drunk, and then ducked out when asked to provide some content.

That's not a bad Day 1 case, but are assumptions being made here? Did he actually duck out and disappear when pressed, or has he just not been around since then?

DrWilgy wrote:(I'm also on the chopping block in another game and kinda need to dedicate time there too)

I would hold you, but I don't want to be slicified.

Vompatti wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:(I'm also on the chopping block in another game and kinda need to dedicate time there too)
Would chopping you off this one help? [stern smile]

What are four (4) reasons to lynch MovingPictures07?

Vompatti wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Vompatti wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:(I'm also on the chopping block in another game and kinda need to dedicate time there too)
Would chopping you off this one help? [stern smile]
What are four (4) reasons to lynch MovingPictures07?
1. He's bad.
2. He frequently floods the thread with walls of text.
3. He's known to be against randomizing.
4. Other reason: _______

There is no such thing as random though, so I can understand his plight.

@nacho, I like your case. If I can get on my computer later before the deadline, I'll take a look at it. Otherwise, I'll probably just pop in and vote for him.

Buuuuut, I'm on my phone now and class is about to begin.

I don't remember what civ motel room is like, but I hosted him once when he was bad. He started the game strong, but petered out when his teammates started getting lynched.

Anyone got some civ motelmeta?

motel-san

Snow Dog wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:I don't remember what civ motel room is like, but I hosted him once when he was bad. He started the game strong, but petered out when his teammates started getting lynched.

Anyone got some civ motelmeta?
Any idea who you will be voting for?

Yeees, I said I was likely going to vote motel room which I eventually did.

Vompatti wrote:I randomized and got MM for being anti-random.

I'd believe you if you said it was pseudo-random.

Snow Dog wrote:i don't understand this motel room vote. He's has posted drunk most of the time and he didn't come back after a question. That's it! (better than nothing I suppose, and I don't know him anyway so....urgh)

You considered voting someone for the convenience of coming first in the alphabet. Is your case a better one?

Well I suppose you eventually backed up a vote for MP, but at the time of this post from you this was your previous vote.

I see you eventually voted for zebra anyway.

Nachomamma8 wrote:Also I think Snow Dog is town if I haven't mentioned that before.

I don't feel so certain.

But if there's one thing I remember about Snow Dog, he loves to wait until the last moment to vote. This behavior from him is reassuring.

MacDougall wrote:Zebra post more or be obliterated.

I like this guy.

Epignosis wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:I'm trusting my process and voting MovingPictures07.
Your process is BS and I think you know it.
Is that a formal accusation?

I call baloney on this post (the MP response). MP said he "thinks" Epignosis knows his process is BS. Choice of words point to MP not being very convincing.

So uh hi, where is everyone?

Stay determined Scotty.

Epignosis, let's play a game.

On a scale from 1 to llama's salary, how mafia are you?

Long Con wrote:
Golden wrote:
Long Con wrote:Are there some forms I have to fill out in triplicate before accusing you now?
Yes. But trust me, no-one will tell you where to find them, and you will have to deliver them to a town in Wyoming by hand.
Fuck, forget it then. I'll just vote Metalmarsh.

I'm also in a town in Wyoming.

I voted for Fruit of the Loom™

We hosted a couch surfer from Western Australia last night. She was rad.

Sockface had 17 posts in a row. Any chance I could match that mark?

I'd past the torch on to you, but it looks like I've taken it back myself. Good night!

MovingPictures07 wrote:My schedule changed a bit and that's why I'm here now (the other reason is that I'm procrastinating reading and assessing recent accounting research to come up with my dissertation topic because fuck that noise). Annie and I have company coming over tonight (DFaraday in fact!), and I have an additional meeting I wasn't planning for after teaching my Excel training class, so at this point it is unlikely I will return until Sunday (Central time), and of course assuming I survive the night (but what kind of mafia team in their right mind would kill me right now?).

Consequently, I do feel a bit compelled to throw out an additional rainbow here before I leave for the day despite only developing more nuanced reads on a handful of players, since the rest aren't talking.

Monkey Island -- Night 1 -- MP Rainbow #2

Epignosis
Golden
Long Con
Nachomamma8
Snow Dog

Boomslang
Macdougall
Quin
Scotty
Soneji

a2thezebra
Black Rock
DFaraday
DrWilgy
Elohcin
Metalmarsh89
nijuukyugou
sig
Vompatti

Note that players are still not yet ranked within groups (they are alphabetical).

I have forcibly removed null reads. Any players that I currently have no reason to assess as town are placed in slight mafia by default.

The players whose placements I feel least comfortable are:
(1) Soneji: I initially felt better about his response to me, but I need to re-assess that response because I have not given it increased attention other than that initial gut reaction. He is the most likely player in the slight town area to fall down if he doesn't give me reason to keep him there.
(2) DrWilgy and Metalmarsh89: These are the two most likely players in the slight mafia area to climb up because I feel like they have a semblance of contribution to this game beyond most of their neighbors.
(3) sig: I need to assess him more carefully and determine whether I believe his thoughts are genuine or not, particularly given his high propensity to be misunderstood and subsequently mislynched.
(4) Quin: The most likely player to rise from slight town to moderate town, but I need more, especially after he just blindsided me 100% in Mad Max.

I probably have more thoughts but I'm running out of time and need to quit here.

I spent way more of all of my in-thread time as of late continuing to defend myself than I wanted, but it is in part due to the continued conversation on me in the thread and feeling as though I had plenty of clarification to do and also in part due to lacking any other relevant content regarding other players by which to judge. I will shift focus to entirely hunting upon my return to the thread, because I feel I have said more than enough in explanation of my own actions. At this point if any of you all don't believe me, so be it. I will answer specific questions if they will be helpful in any of your all's determination of my alignment, but other than that regardless of my future fate I feel my time will be better spent digging into other players because there are too many unknown entities escaping evaluation.

Linki w/ Quin: A good question, but unfortunately I'm out of time as well. I'll get to it ASAP upon my return though, just remind me if I forget or something.

I've come to accept that I'll always end up near the middle-bottom of your rainbows, and that's likely to never change.

That said, why do DrWilgy and I both fall near the bottom despite acknowledged contributions? What puts the two of us there?

Vompatti wrote:Also there's gold at the end of the rainbow.

If a rainbow has two ends, then where does it begin?

It's Day 2 and I'm still here!

First order of business; Sockface, are you a member mafia?

// Method for Monkey Island gameplay
while (alive) {

if (vompatti == alive) {
- vote(vompatti);
} else if (a2thezebra == alive) {
- vote(a2thezebra);
} else {
- vote(self);
}

}

return;

Scotty wrote:
Epignosis wrote:I'm not interested in MP right now. I want to give him room Day 2 to get his ideas out there (like he ever needed room for that ), but I want to know who missed a kill. That's a team of four and a team of three. One of those teams fell asleep at the wheel.
Not necessarily- both teams could have vied for Golden. Or one was blocked.

Though I originally thought back in The 3 Kingdoms that they were blocked or something and the entire team did in fact miss the kill on night 1, so this isn't so far fetched, especially considering the missing votes.

I just don't think we necessarily should assume they missed the kill is all.

Guess who missed the Night 1 kill in that game? A team of myself, MacDougall, insertnamehere, and DrWilgy (who was lynched Day 1) and SVS (who had no internet).

sig wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
sig wrote:I do think our mafia members either didn't vote or voted on a non wagon avoiding both major lynches. I do however, believe night kills where submitted and I don't think we should just start lynching lurkers on the off chance an entire team forgot/wasn't around to submit a kill.
On what basis do you believe both kills were submitted?

It is rather rare for kills not to be submitted isn't it? It also requires very little effort to submit a kill. If only one player could do it I might be able to see that argument, however it is very unlikely a whole team was so inactive that they didn't send in a kill.

Okay Quin I was wondering if you had any other reasoning

See above.

Scotty wrote:@HOST Are you at liberty to say the exact number of PMs that were missing last night? And if so, how many?

Question for the thread: so I'm never fully sure of what makes a NK a good one when it comes to the victims' suspicions.
Does it help the killer look more civ if the killer was a suspect of the victims? How about if they were defending? There may not be a correct answer, I'm just curious.

I've nightkilled players because they've suspected me.

I've nightkilled players who haven't suspected me or even mentioned me.

I've nightkilled players who have townread me.

I've nightkilled players who haven't posted in days.

I've nightkilled players who are the most active players in the game.

I've nightkilled mafia teammates (yup).

I've tried nightkilling the host.

A good nightkill is one that's hard to trace. Since nightkills are often full of WIFOM anyway, they're often hard to trace. Have you ever been mafia before? The one time I remember you being mafia, you were lynched Day 1 so couldn't even nightkill lol.

Welcome back motel room.

motel room wrote:Think I'd vote metalmarsh if I had to vote right now

Never mind, get out.

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:It's Day 2 and I'm still here!

First order of business; Sockface, are you a member mafia?
Nope! Are you?

I am neither mafia, nor doing much to find them.

Epignosis wrote:Listen.

Black Rock has two posts. That's it. If she's good, she isn't doing anything to find Mafia. If she's bad, bingo.

Couple that with the knowledge that lots of people missed Night 1 and only one person died, and again BINGO.

Stop being cute.

Ok I'll bite.

- break;

vote(blackRock);

MovingPictures07 wrote:Whew, that was a doozy. Be back in like 15 minutes. Although I don't think I'm talking to anyone still.

I usually don't read your ISO's as you post them, aside from the bottom line. But they make for good resources later on, so I can go back and look through them.

It's not because it's you (same goes for when Jay posts them), it's that it's a lot of text, and my eyes tend to glaze over when I read more than one or two at a time. I appreciate the effort though.

If you pick one player and post a case on them, then we're talking.

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Whew, that was a doozy. Be back in like 15 minutes. Although I don't think I'm talking to anyone still.
I usually don't read your ISO's as you post them, aside from the bottom line. But they make for good resources later on, so I can go back and look through them.

It's not because it's you (same goes for when Jay posts them), it's that it's a lot of text, and my eyes tend to glaze over when I read more than one or two at a time. I appreciate the effort though.

If you pick one player and post a case on them, then we're talking.
I appreciate the response. Have you looked at my sig ISO? If not, why don't you take a look at it and let me know what you think? Currently he is my top suspect and going to receive my vote unless Soneji or someone else appears immediately horrendous.

Sure! I'll give it a look.

But not now though, because it's night, I've got shit to do, and we done lynched a baddie.

I didn't like Snow Dog's vote yesterday. I like it even worse today.

Just my two cents after the lynch. I'll be looking at him.

a2thezebra wrote:Epi is civ as fuck

I've never seen him bus a teammate after Day 1, so there's that.

Epignosis wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:Epi is civ as fuck
I've never seen him bus a teammate after Day 1, so there's that.
Thank you for that important piece of information.

I wasn't talking to you.

Did you bus a teammate?

DrWilgy wrote:Epi and Marmot, you each get 1 "Wilgy Voucher" spend your Wilgy voucher to tell me who to vote or get me to answer any 1 question truthfully.

Are these like bath tokens?

Snow Dog wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:I didn't like Snow Dog's vote yesterday. I like it even worse today.

Just my two cents after the lynch. I'll be looking at him.
I'm not a fan of his voting record either, but his content has seemed genuine to me. I'll take a look at his ISO though and maybe I'll come up with a different perspective.
I don't understand. What is wrong with my voting record? I have been consistent. Explain please!

I meant to address this a while ago, but I haven't had more than a few minutes to check in, or I was on my phone.

You posted this on Day 1.

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Your reason for voting zebra then. It isn't very strong, but you immediately followed up with this.

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You questioned the motives for the motel room votes. Neither reason is great, but I didn't like that you came up with a poor one for a Day 1 zebra vote, only to question another poor Day 1 vote (or rather multiple votes).

Later on you posted this, and I only just now realize I'm uncertain what you meant.

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You toyed with an MP vote near the end of the day. Per this post, did you mean that you want to see how many votes motel room got, or that you were considering voting for him to see his lynch-flip?

Still, you wound up voting zebra anyway.

You also voted zebra Day 2. Yes it's consistent, but is it sincere? Additionally, you placed a vote that put zebra and Black Rock closer together in the lynch, which considering BR flipped bad doesn't look good for you.

I'm torn on you overall Snow Dog. I see one part of your playstyle that I remember from playing long ago. The fact that that pattern has carried over to now (what almost 2 years later?) suggests that you're playing your "normal" game, and looks good for you. There's also another post you made this game which to me screams civ (or potentially the opposite). I know that's an ambiguous comment, but that's how I feel.

Who are you looking at today?

I've gotta run, but I'm going to look at MP's ISO of sig when I get back.

Linki: NO U

Looked at BR's post history. She interacted with one other player: Snow Dog. That's funny.

She did mention MP and LC in her other post, but one is dead and the other's her husband, so

Here's her posts.

Black Rock on Day 1 wrote:I'm here and so happy this is game is running at a slower pace. I'm just jump stating my mafia brain. Me and the LC are laying down some floor tonight so I will likely do more tomorrow. I'm awkwardly checking in on my phone. The only thing I saw on my quick catch up is that I disagree with the suspicion surrounding MP and LC. I find it more convenient than well thought out. That is all for now.

Black Rock on Night 1 wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:MP's reactions this night make me think he is civ. Otherwise I don't understand his frustration and anger.

His reactions make him neutral to me, since I've seen him react in such ways civ or bad.

I'm going to make this vote. I just have no idea where it will be, but the day is young. The computer will be moving up from the basement soon and that will make mafiaing easier.

motel room wrote:Speaking of
Soneji wrote:Zebra has had a very narrow focus this game, without giving anything to backup these reads and trolling/harassing people. His aim seems to be to distract, which as LC noted he wasn't doing d1 when the two main suspects were MP and motel room, both town.
How do you know MP was town?

I think a civ would be more likely to make this mistake.

Epignosis wrote:At this moment, I am uninterested in a lynch of zebra, Snow Dog or Soneji.

Or Vompatti. I'll throw him in there too.

The reasoning used to vote for any of these people is terrible.

That isn't to say I think they are good- I'm only saying damn people. Do better. Like me.

I agree on the first three.

I actually suspect Vompatti a bit though. His sudden vote for Soneji after motel room's question to him; I don't think motel room had any reason there to suspect Soneji, yet Vomps jumped on it.

MacDougall wrote:Metalmarsh mate. Tell me how you feel mate.

I feel fiiiiine. Might fiiiiine. I got up early and went for a run up the tallest butte in our town and sort of watched the sunrise.

What've you got for me Mac? Who's the traitor among our crew?

Long Con wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
Quin wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:Earlier while compiling ISOs, MP accidentally deleted the one he'd done for Wilgy. Well if he was bad one must ask if this an accident. Or was it a way to avoid that analasys? Would MP do this though? Does it border on unfair play?
There is absolutely no way that it was intentional.
Absolutely? Why?
Because there is absolutely no way that MP07 of any alignment would intentionally abuse his power and cheat, especially in such a flagrant fashion. No more discussion on the topic is needed, case closed.

I don't feel like I was buddying Epi.

Before you put this to bed, I thought MP deleted the post before he posted it, not afterward.

Never mind, I see that it had existed.

Moving on.

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