The Syndicate

Hi, I'm Poppy.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2017 8:06 pm Alignment Reveals would be swell.

where's your vote doe

oh there it is

I'll find time to catch up today. I'm aware of the general premise, so no worries there.

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99 percent sure this is mulholland drive mafia yall

G-Man wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2017 8:52 pm How about that. Oh well. Kid 1 is still sick anyway. Snuffed out early two games in a row. At least my shenanigans remain intact. Thanks for the game?

The letter H.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2017 9:53 pm If this *is* MD Mafia yall about to learn what Negan can really do

Good thing Dyslexicon already had four hidden immunity idols.

Hey Epi, is LC your baddie teammate?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2017 11:53 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2017 11:51 pm Hey Epi, is LC your baddie teammate?
Kiss my ass.

I just found the argument slightly silly, especially coming from "Fuck meta" Epignosis.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2017 12:00 am
Quin wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2017 11:57 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2017 11:53 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2017 11:51 pm Hey Epi, is LC your baddie teammate?
Kiss my ass.
I just found the argument slightly silly, especially coming from "Fuck meta" Epignosis.
One of those words is two letters too long.

no homo

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2017 12:17 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2017 11:58 pm @Host:

a) What is Public Ranking Voting?

b) What is mutiny?

a) Public Ranking Voting has everyone in the game ranking each other from most suspicious to least suspicious. The most statistically suspicious person according to the group is then lynched.

b) mu•ti•ny (myo͞otˈn-ē)

n.
Open rebellion against constituted authority, especially rebellion of sailors against superior officers.

just look at this guy and his cryptic mechanics

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2017 9:29 pm llama has been both annoyed and distracted.

thellama73 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 13, 2017 3:52 pm The question re: rico is, how much of a distraction is he being? I am okay with lynching sufficiently distracting players, as it improves the efficiency of future play.

thellama73 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 13, 2017 9:33 am ALl in favor of voting to lynch the most annoying player?

thellama73 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2017 1:51 pm I guess an explanation for my inactivity is in order. I have been traveling the last two weeks, and will be traveling again tomorrow. In the meantime, I'm catching up on work and preparing for when I will be gone, so mafia is unable to recieve my full attention. I'll sure try not to miss votes though!

llama did not vote for alignment reveals.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2017 10:55 pm I assumed sprit was killed because he was a safe option, unlikely to receive public protection.

Was the public protection thing not on a poll? If so killing the 'safe' option feels counterproductive.

also i didn't catch up but that's okay because some reason

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2017 11:31 am
Quin wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2017 11:24 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2017 10:55 pm I assumed sprit was killed because he was a safe option, unlikely to receive public protection.
Was the public protection thing not on a poll? If so killing the 'safe' option feels counterproductive.
Yes. But they wouldn't have known who was going to win the vote, and the poll was tight. Choosing a player like sprit all but ensures that their target would not receive a flurry of votes and cancel out their kill unexpectedly.
It could also have been because he was hinting at "information", or they just wanted to keep us off balance, since he was not a player many people were discussing at all.

I didn't know the poll was so tight. I can understand though.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2017 12:09 pmI'm a hell of a lot more sure that you are bad than Llama

Then where's your vote? To see the dispute go on between the two of you for this long without a vote being thrown his way gives off the impression you have no intention of doing that. What are you waiting for?

A question for the thread, because it's 8:30 in the morning and I'm lazy:

At what point did LC vote Epignosis the last two days, and what was the general course of the thread at those times? If nobody's sure, I'll check myself.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2017 12:16 pm What if both LC and Epi are bad.

Then I picked out two baddies within 5 minutes of subbing in. Not bad.

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2017 6:40 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2017 12:16 pm What if both LC and Epi are bad.
Then I picked out two baddies within 5 minutes of subbing in. Not bad.

More like 4 hours kek just pretend k

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2017 12:49 pm

Either LC is bad, and is bussing llama for cred and to get to Epi later, or Epi is bad and is bussing llama to get to LC later, or Epi and LC are both bad and llama is a civ.

Anyway, voting Llama.

What if they're all bad and this is just one big kamikaze mafia team?

I figured I'd take a look at llamas posts to see what's going on there. I don't really see anything that leads me to read him any way or another. I do notice that he mentioned making a deal, and I don't know what's up with that.

I don't reject the idea that a distracted llama might kill a heavily suspected person, but with 6 votes on him already, I'm not inclined to vote there. My other top of mind options are Epignosis or LC.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2017 5:13 pm If Llama flips civ Quin and Sloonei are the mafia.

i've always wanted to be bad with sloonei, don't take this away from me.

Reiterating that llama chose to vote for double voting or something over alignment reveals last night. I remember a baddie doing something along these lines happening in The Office, and I didn't pursue it then. So yeah, gut scum read for that.

A gripe I have with Long Con is that he's been vocalising his suspicion of Epi since Day 1, but it was only on Day 3 that he started to discuss it with people who were not Epi. On top of that, he only did that when Sloonei cued him to do so. I don't get the impression he really believes in his case.

oh i forgot to vote

damn you final fantasy 10

I'd have gone with LC if it means anything.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2017 11:04 pm Well, that was a bit of a letdown. We can try again tomorrow.

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2017 6:08 pmA gripe I have with Long Con is that he's been vocalising his suspicion of Epi since Day 1, but it was only on Day 3 that he started to discuss it with people who were not Epi. On top of that, he only did that when Sloonei cued him to do so. I don't get the impression he really believes in his case.
I don't even know what to say to this.

You need an invitation in order to give your opinions or get involved in a conversation? You think I'm typing all this just for Epignosis to criticize? Feel free to weigh in, Quin. I was under the impression that I was making a case for you all to read.

It's not a matter of invitation. I would have expected that after 3 in game days you would have sought feedback of some sort on of your own accord. 'Hey x, what do you think about my Epignosis case?' 'What do you think about Epignosis?' These are questions I would expect from someone who was actively trying to validate their suspicion.

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2017 3:14 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2017 3:10 pm That's why I have you, nutella.

So, in your opinion, where does that leave us with regard to mutiny, alignment change, speedchuck, and the game moving forward?
Oh, and apparently I need to say this as well:

Epignosis, DharmaHelper, Llama, Spacedaisy, Quin, S~V~S, Sloonei, Timmer... this post, and the previous few posts I made, are open and welcome to your input as well. It may seem like I was singularly talking to nutella there, to the exclusion of the rest of you, so I want to clear that up so there are no more miscommunications. I value all your opinions on this and all other matters. Please let me know if you would prefer that I write a separate post about this that has you specifically named.

timmer wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2017 9:43 pm Actually self-voting feels weird. Moved my vote to Quin, to put it somewhere.

rude

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2017 10:12 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2017 10:00 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2017 9:55 pm Oh dang, nice!! Rip daisy but awesome to see llama is a dead mafioso.

By my POE instincts I think the baddies are within Sloonei, SVS, and/or Quin. I'll vote for one of them.
Why not Timmer and speedchuck, in your words?
I think speedchuck is most likely civ because of the mutiny thing. I think Timmer is most likely civ because -- well, also the mutiny thing apparently, but he just revealed that, and I've thought he was civ the whole game mostly because of his posts during LMS-gate on day 0 and the way he described interpreting his own role pm, and he's seemed reasonable/civ-like since then.

Linki: Oooo, now that's interesting, re Dys/Quin.

speedchuck, sure. He brought unwanted attention to himself at a time it would be dumb for him to. timmer? No. He can be either alignment right now and look not-bad from his coming out about the mutiny.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2017 10:49 pm Long Con has raised the question of why we should let a non-mutiny speedchuck live.

There is definitely a mafia to destroy.

Why did Long Con raise his pitchfork against speedchuck?

Is-is it because he's bad?

I wish someone would tell me their role and abilities so I could not kill them.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 12:41 am EBWOP: 100% chance

Look into side eyeing Chloe's eyes and tell her that she's bad.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 1:02 am Okay.
*votes Quin*

I wasn't asking you, ice cream sandwich.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 1:08 am
Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 12:56 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 12:41 am EBWOP: 100% chance
Look into side eyeing Chloe's eyes and tell her that she's bad.
You're bad. Is this statement true or false?

It is false.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 1:36 am
Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 1:09 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 1:08 am
Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 12:56 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 12:41 am EBWOP: 100% chance
Look into side eyeing Chloe's eyes and tell her that she's bad.
You're bad. Is this statement true or false?
It is false.
What do you think of nutella's process of elimination? SVS and myself were the other two players she named. Are we both bad? One of us? Neither?

Until she elaborates, my thoughts on her PoE is 'Hey, she should elaborate on that.'

I never caught up, so I've been going off of what I've read since I subbed in. From that, I've got no real read on you. For SVS, I'm leaning town. Gut, though she's not a person I've given ample attention to.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 1:47 am Are there any players you feel you have paid enough attention to to offer a firm read?

No one can honestly say they have a strong read on me in this game. I've not done enough to merit that.

I think Epi is town. I read a defence he made at some point about his track record as a baddie and his thoughts on bussing teammates, and I think he sounded genuine there. I also think speedchuck is town going off of the mutiny thing.

I've also thought some thoughts on Long Con if you want to have a look in my posts. I'm scum reading him.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 3:29 am POE is pretty self-explanatory, yeah? Each of the other players I think is more likely civ than not, and you guys are left. What more elaboration do you need? That's... that's just what POE is.

Why are each of the other players more likely civ than not?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:31 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:19 pm I was "treading carefully" because I scum player voting to protect another play on Day/Night 1 is a steaming pile of WIFOM. I gave it a "for now" because I'm in the beginning stages of my formulation of reads. I'm not jumping to a conclusion about Quin/Llama because literally all I've read of their interactions is llama's vote to protect Dyslexicon. What treasure troves of information should I pretend to have gathered from that?
I currently have zero information on their interactions. I hope to find new information by reading things that have already been said, if I feel like that's a thing I should do. Do you think that's a thing I should do?

I know this is nearly-end-game for you, but my thought processes are still in Day 1 mode. You seem to be treating me as if my reads should be as developed as yours.
It's Day 4. Your opinions should not be in Day 1 mode. If you had a problem keeping up (and I genuinely am sorry for your illness), you should have sought a replacement.

DyslexiQuin right now is my top suspect, and you gave him a pass because thellama73 voted to protect him because of "WIFOM City," as you put it. Isn't that what that is supposed to do? Why not look at Dyslexicon and Quin on your own and make a decision?

Do you really think this?

timmer wrote: ↑Mon Jun 12, 2017 9:59 pm My catch-up took all of about 3 minutes, but when I read my role PM it made it pretty clear that I'm a good guy, thus I too am skeptical of LC not knowing there were civs and others in the game. Barring developments, that is a pretty sizeable Day 1 ping.

I suspect timmer for this post. My role card came in with my character name, a whole load of flavour and then my super definitely town alignment as a side note at the very end. It was not 'pretty clear'. There is room to forgive LC for his LMS thought process.

I hope paraphrasing does not break the rules. It was an afterthought. Sorry.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:47 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:43 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:31 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:19 pm I was "treading carefully" because I scum player voting to protect another play on Day/Night 1 is a steaming pile of WIFOM. I gave it a "for now" because I'm in the beginning stages of my formulation of reads. I'm not jumping to a conclusion about Quin/Llama because literally all I've read of their interactions is llama's vote to protect Dyslexicon. What treasure troves of information should I pretend to have gathered from that?
I currently have zero information on their interactions. I hope to find new information by reading things that have already been said, if I feel like that's a thing I should do. Do you think that's a thing I should do?

I know this is nearly-end-game for you, but my thought processes are still in Day 1 mode. You seem to be treating me as if my reads should be as developed as yours.
It's Day 4. Your opinions should not be in Day 1 mode. If you had a problem keeping up (and I genuinely am sorry for your illness), you should have sought a replacement.

DyslexiQuin right now is my top suspect, and you gave him a pass because thellama73 voted to protect him because of "WIFOM City," as you put it. Isn't that what that is supposed to do? Why not look at Dyslexicon and Quin on your own and make a decision?
Do you really think this?
Now, would I lie?

Because you are not nice.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:54 pm I could move off Sloonei onto someone else. I'm kinda wondering how far Speedchuck is going to take the "I do what DH Does" schtick. I had my suspicions of Dyslexicon but I thought they might be an Indie and not a mafia. IDK. Quin might be a good vote. IDK.

I am neither indy, mafia or a good vote.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:00 pm See now statistically between the two of you someone's got to be blowing smoke.

I have never smoked, either. Tell me why this is a statistic.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:04 pm Quin, talk about this succession of posts:
Quin wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2017 10:31 pm llama did not vote for alignment reveals.

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2017 5:09 pm I figured I'd take a look at llamas posts to see what's going on there. I don't really see anything that leads me to read him any way or another. I do notice that he mentioned making a deal, and I don't know what's up with that.

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2017 5:13 pm I don't reject the idea that a distracted llama might kill a heavily suspected person, but with 6 votes on him already, I'm not inclined to vote there. My other top of mind options are Epignosis or LC.
Quin wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2017 6:08 pm Reiterating that llama chose to vote for double voting or something over alignment reveals last night. I remember a baddie doing something along these lines happening in The Office, and I didn't pursue it then. So yeah, gut scum read for that.

A gripe I have with Long Con is that he's been vocalising his suspicion of Epi since Day 1, but it was only on Day 3 that he started to discuss it with people who were not Epi. On top of that, he only did that when Sloonei cued him to do so. I don't get the impression he really believes in his case.
First you take note of an odd Llama moment. Then you drop it a few days later, do a quick ISO of llama and come up with nothing conclusive and denounce the wagon that's starting to form against him, but an hour later you're suddenly on that wagon for the initial oddity you had observed two days earlier. You think this computes over here?

I don't know where you got the idea that I dropped it. Where did I say that I dropped it? It was a big reason as to why I suspected llama in the first place. Another thing you've got wrong. I thought the existing cases against llama were good. But with 5 people on the wagon before even halfway through the day and more being added onto it, I was hesitant because it seemed like an obvious runaway.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:10 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:05 pm Sprityo
Ricochet
Spacedaisy

All three kills, all three pretty much useless. The mafia (even without llama) are not paying attention and/or have no idea who to kill.
This is a good reason to suspect me, I don't object. It also seems like it could be a good reason to suspect SVS and Quin. Cool.

No it's not. I've been here.

I subbed in after sprityo was killed, and Dizzy wasn't inactive on Day 1. So explain why these set of night kills makes me look bad, Sloonei.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:15 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:13 pm I subbed in after sprityo was killed, and Dizzy wasn't inactive on Day 1. So explain why these set of night kills makes me look bad, Sloonei.
Have you not stated elsewhere that you're having trouble getting caught up in this game?

No. I just stated that I wasn't going to play catch-up.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:14 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:10 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:04 pm Quin, talk about this succession of posts:
Quin wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2017 10:31 pm llama did not vote for alignment reveals.

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2017 5:09 pm I figured I'd take a look at llamas posts to see what's going on there. I don't really see anything that leads me to read him any way or another. I do notice that he mentioned making a deal, and I don't know what's up with that.

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2017 5:13 pm I don't reject the idea that a distracted llama might kill a heavily suspected person, but with 6 votes on him already, I'm not inclined to vote there. My other top of mind options are Epignosis or LC.
Quin wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2017 6:08 pm Reiterating that llama chose to vote for double voting or something over alignment reveals last night. I remember a baddie doing something along these lines happening in The Office, and I didn't pursue it then. So yeah, gut scum read for that.

A gripe I have with Long Con is that he's been vocalising his suspicion of Epi since Day 1, but it was only on Day 3 that he started to discuss it with people who were not Epi. On top of that, he only did that when Sloonei cued him to do so. I don't get the impression he really believes in his case.
First you take note of an odd Llama moment. Then you drop it a few days later, do a quick ISO of llama and come up with nothing conclusive and denounce the wagon that's starting to form against him, but an hour later you're suddenly on that wagon for the initial oddity you had observed two days earlier. You think this computes over here?
I don't know where you got the idea that I dropped it. Where did I say that I dropped it? It was a big reason as to why I suspected llama in the first place. Another thing you've got wrong. I thought the existing cases against llama were good. But with 5 people on the wagon before even halfway through the day and more being added onto it, I was hesitant because it seemed like an obvious runaway.
The bolded text is where I got the idea that you dropped your suspicion of llama. Where I come from, "I don't really see anything that leads me to read him any way or another" is not a statement of suspicion. Your post trajectory reads like this: Mildly suspicious of llama -[2 days pass]-> Neutral on llama -> opposed to lynching llama -> quietly return to original suspicion of llama an hour later.

His posts didn't give me any reason to read him one way or another. Does that help you?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:17 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:16 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:15 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:13 pm I subbed in after sprityo was killed, and Dizzy wasn't inactive on Day 1. So explain why these set of night kills makes me look bad, Sloonei.
Have you not stated elsewhere that you're having trouble getting caught up in this game?
No. I just stated that I wasn't going to play catch-up.
Which suggests some degree of blindness to events in the thread, no?

Yes, but unless all of my teammates are as misinformed as I am, that won't affect the night kill choices. If I'm bad and all my teammates are misinformed, then I'm going to figure out what's going on, aren't I?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:17 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:16 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:15 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:13 pm I subbed in after sprityo was killed, and Dizzy wasn't inactive on Day 1. So explain why these set of night kills makes me look bad, Sloonei.
Have you not stated elsewhere that you're having trouble getting caught up in this game?
No. I just stated that I wasn't going to play catch-up.
Which suggests some degree of blindness to events in the thread, no?

Yes, but unless all of my teammates are as misinformed as I am, that won't affect the night kill choices. If I'm bad and all my teammates are misinformed, then I'm going to figure out what's going on, aren't I?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:19 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:17 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:14 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:10 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:04 pm Quin, talk about this succession of posts:
Quin wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2017 10:31 pm llama did not vote for alignment reveals.

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2017 5:09 pm I figured I'd take a look at llamas posts to see what's going on there. I don't really see anything that leads me to read him any way or another. I do notice that he mentioned making a deal, and I don't know what's up with that.

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2017 5:13 pm I don't reject the idea that a distracted llama might kill a heavily suspected person, but with 6 votes on him already, I'm not inclined to vote there. My other top of mind options are Epignosis or LC.
Quin wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2017 6:08 pm Reiterating that llama chose to vote for double voting or something over alignment reveals last night. I remember a baddie doing something along these lines happening in The Office, and I didn't pursue it then. So yeah, gut scum read for that.

A gripe I have with Long Con is that he's been vocalising his suspicion of Epi since Day 1, but it was only on Day 3 that he started to discuss it with people who were not Epi. On top of that, he only did that when Sloonei cued him to do so. I don't get the impression he really believes in his case.
First you take note of an odd Llama moment. Then you drop it a few days later, do a quick ISO of llama and come up with nothing conclusive and denounce the wagon that's starting to form against him, but an hour later you're suddenly on that wagon for the initial oddity you had observed two days earlier. You think this computes over here?
I don't know where you got the idea that I dropped it. Where did I say that I dropped it? It was a big reason as to why I suspected llama in the first place. Another thing you've got wrong. I thought the existing cases against llama were good. But with 5 people on the wagon before even halfway through the day and more being added onto it, I was hesitant because it seemed like an obvious runaway.
The bolded text is where I got the idea that you dropped your suspicion of llama. Where I come from, "I don't really see anything that leads me to read him any way or another" is not a statement of suspicion. Your post trajectory reads like this: Mildly suspicious of llama -[2 days pass]-> Neutral on llama -> opposed to lynching llama -> quietly return to original suspicion of llama an hour later.
His posts didn't give me any reason to read him one way or another. Does that help you?
A little bit but not enough. You're still opposed to his lynch in those middle two posts, but in favor of it in the two on opposite ends of the chain. If you continued to be suspicious of llama for his vote, then why did you neglect this in your read of llama in those other two posts?

Wary. Not opposed. I'm not going to constantly reiterate my suspicion whenever I mention someone.

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