The Syndicate

Open BTSC and encouraged roleclaiming. This is different than the Syndicate norm. Let's all awkwardly try to figure out how to play with these new rules.

Also hot damn i'm playing a mafia game again.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jun 11, 2017 8:53 pm Secrets. Seeeeecrets. Actually I prefer to have most of the talk here. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Me too.

I'm interested in the public vote as a scum hunting mechanism.

Silencio

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Jun 12, 2017 10:33 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jun 12, 2017 10:29 pmLong Con had his own team kill him once.

I don't need to describe a theory that "works for me."
You need to describe it if you want to work together with people. If you don't want that that's your choice. But you leave a lot to be desired for me to understand where you are coming from.

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I will ask everyone: What do you all think about what you gather Epi's theory is?

Your post was all jokes.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jun 13, 2017 12:51 am Hm. I believe LC and Dys are telling truths.

Why?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jun 13, 2017 12:36 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Jun 13, 2017 12:30 pmYour post was all jokes.

Imma vote you!
Also, write many words please. I'm impatient and stuff.

I'll reciprocate this action.

I'm all caught up. I do not like the way Dyslexicon went into hyper defense mode at the first hint of pressure from Epi. It reminds me of myself in Watchmen.

I was out all weekend, worked all day yesterday, and will be working all night again tonight. I'll be a quiet person for most of this phase, unfortunately.

LC's LMS slip indicates to me that he's not scum. It is least likely that he'd misunderstand a rolecard that says "You are mafia, and your teammates are A & B." He could be a true LMS role, but this is a Heist, we can only have 3 non-vanilla roles. Would INH use one of those 3 slots on a LMS rogue? Genuinely asking.

I'm reading LC as town. Dizzy as an early suspect. Wilgy also made an early post in which he asked who or what we were hunting this game. I wanted to follow up on that.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jun 13, 2017 12:54 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Jun 13, 2017 12:50 pm I'm all caught up. I do not like the way Dyslexicon went into hyper defense mode at the first hint of pressure from Epi. It reminds me of myself in Watchmen.

I was out all weekend, worked all day yesterday, and will be working all night again tonight. I'll be a quiet person for most of this phase, unfortunately.
Hyper defense mode? Really? I don't think I've been defensive at all. It turns out I made a joke I forgot about that I cleared up. Otherwise I've been focusing my actual energy into questioning Timmer and being impatient for players to join the fun.

What do I have to do with one of your scum games? I've had both town and scum games on this site, and you've been present at least for one town one.

This puzzles me a lot.

Yes. Your responses to Epi seemed to scream "Don't look at me! I don't like this!". It is similar to how I responded to early pressure in my one and only scum game on this site. You are not me, but it's something I'm taking note of here on Day 1.

What have you got out of your questioning of timmer?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jun 13, 2017 12:59 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Jun 13, 2017 12:56 pm LC's LMS slip indicates to me that he's not scum. It is least likely that he'd misunderstand a rolecard that says "You are mafia, and your teammates are A & B." He could be a true LMS role, but this is a Heist, we can only have 3 non-vanilla roles. Would INH use one of those 3 slots on a LMS rogue? Genuinely asking.

I'm reading LC as town. Dizzy as an early suspect. Wilgy also made an early post in which he asked who or what we were hunting this game. I wanted to follow up on that.
Do you have thoughts on Timmer and his thought process on LC?

I disagree with his read but I don't think it's impossible for a townie to think the way he is thinking.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jun 13, 2017 1:13 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Jun 13, 2017 1:00 pmYes. Your responses to Epi seemed to scream "Don't look at me! I don't like this!". It is similar to how I responded to early pressure in my one and only scum game on this site. You are not me, but it's something I'm taking note of here on Day 1.

What have you got out of your questioning of timmer?
Huh. I will be interested in hearing other people's perspective on this, since I am me and can't see myself from the outside. I'm not a player who's shy, I've played a hundred mafia games and am not afraid of "pressure" as town or scum, though I tend to blend more as scum. I can be intense and vocal for sure. Additionally, with Epi specifically I think we have quite different thought processes, which is something I've noted in the past. I've wanted to understand where he was coming from, and would actually like to hear more from him.

I don't particularly like your "something I'm taking note of here on Day 1". It's similar to Timmer's "good enough for Day 1". I think it's a cop-out.

It's "something I'm taking note of on Day 1" because Day 1 reads are generally just preliminary. I do not have a fully formed read on you or anyone else, but this is a thing I've observed which may indicate scumminess on your part. It is not a cop out. I am embracing and pursuing it as an avenue for questioning right now.

What I got from Timmer was that I had a hard time follow his thought process of how LC was guilty based on his LMS comment (something you also contest). I also don't like what seems to be disinterest in going deeper into the situation to understand it or exploring other possibilities. Refering here to both the comment about that he will probably vote LC later, and the general standoffish "you know what I mean" vibe. I don't know Timmer as a player. That said I'm suspicious here. I'm also waiting to see more.

I like this. I want to see timmer branch out into other topics soon.

And you've caught my interest with this.

What does this mean?

Changed my vote to sprityo. Tune in later to find out why.

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Jun 13, 2017 4:25 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Jun 13, 2017 2:25 pm Changed my vote to sprityo. Tune in later to find out why.
Well?

Can I help you?

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Jun 13, 2017 5:36 pm Rico have you reached out to anyone?

I myself have not, and only one person has reached out to me.

Out of the Dizzy voters, Epis vote looks better to me than Timmers, so I am temp voting Timmer. Might stay there might not.

And lulz at Rico and Llama being traditional and voting for each other.

Do you think timmer specifically deserves a vote, or are you just voting for him because Epi looks better?

I think Long Con looks fine. I doubt he is scum. I don't suspect Epi for any of his interactions with LC. That is not to say he is a town read. Dyslexicon has not done anything to stand out as a town read in my mind.

This is the meatiest post sprityo has made this game:

sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Jun 12, 2017 10:23 pm Oh boy so what have I gotten myself into this time? A good ole fashioned heist. (Which I can notably tell is not LMS, thanks everyone). Aside from the role having information that would lead one to recognize as such, I'll regard to laying low until I'm confident enough to get into the thick of it. It's been like a solid 2 weeks or more I think since I've last tried to mafia so I'm out of the mindset.

I will say though I've had an interesting day 0/1 so far. I we'll see how long it keeps up

He pledges to lay low at the start of this game. It's a valid strategy. But it's an easy way to coast through Day 1 and maybe beyond. I don't like to let players do that if it can be avoided. So I prodded him:

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Jun 13, 2017 4:25 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Jun 13, 2017 2:25 pm Changed my vote to sprityo. Tune in later to find out why.
Well?

He's sticking to the game plan, I suppose.

Why do you wish to lay low today, sprit?

I don't wish to vote for llama or Epi. I could maybe vote for Dizzy but I'd need to be convinced. I feel compelled to check out this nutella suspicion. In the most recent games I played before the Great Syndicate Outage of 2017, she was a consistently strong town read all the time. I've got no such vibes in this game.
Nutella, what are your thoughts on things?

voting for nutella. this is the least involved i'll ever be on a Day 1. I apologize. I've been very far under the weather today but I'm going to work anyway, for some reason. I don't have time to read everything but i'll try to wrap my head around the wilgy case quickly before i go.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2017 2:34 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2017 12:52 am What do you think of this Dyslexicon/Long Con/Epignosis drama Nutella? Do you find anyone caught up in it suspicious?
Nah, not particularly.

I haven't really seen much reason to suspect anyone yet. As it usually goes on day ones. I'm always wary of Wilgy when he's cryptic like this though. Gonna throw a vote on him just to pick someone (just realized we only have a few hours left and I don't want to miss it)

I put my vote on nutella before I even saw this post. I like my vote more now.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2017 3:51 pm A bit over 2.5 hours. I am leaving work now, won't be home for an hour or so.

Gives you plenty of time to try to do whatever it is you are doing, and it gives me time to think about what *I* think you are doing.

Personally I think you are now trying to get people to THINK you want to be lynched, hence the groovy over the top avatar and the "wet caverns of hell" rhetoric. Very fun.

And no BTS because I would rather you say what you have to say in front of everyone. I think the first PM you sent me was the truth of it, and I don't think you expected me to do this. It was a calculated risk, and I don't think you would have done it without a back up plan. But that plan won't involve any private manipulation of me.

Later <3

You reacted exactly as I would expect a player to react after receiving a PM like the one Wilgy sent you. I don't see a reason to vote for him based off this.

linki: seems like standard wilgy behavior to me. "Bewildered" is not the same as "suspicious".

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2017 2:40 pm
G-Man wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2017 2:33 pm How intriguing! When I moved my vote to Llama, I considered placing it on DrWilgy because he seemed to be blendy but I didn't because it would just add to the vote spread and be his first vote. Voting for Llama held potential for adding to the lynch drama by putting someone in the lead.

If baddies are just going to sit back and let the civvies do all the hard work of building cases against other civvies, then I may as well start looking at the blendy folk. Wilgy fits that description for me thus far.
OK, Wilgy sent me a PM. He asked if I was bad. And told me that if I was and had my bad teammates do a specific thing, something that was good for the bad team (and for Wilgy) would happen.

I am not sure I want to go into any more detail than that. I would like to hear Wilgys explanation. In the thread. He can be cryptic if he likes, I will understand him.

Plus there is also the whole possible "he wants to be lynched" thing to consider. But I think he would not have picked me for that, I think he really thought I was bad. He usually does.

I would expect any player receiving a message like this to bring it to light in the thread. I think Wilgy would have expected you to react this way as well.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2017 6:11 pm Again, you don't know what he said to me. If it is true, he is not good for the town.

what if it's not true?

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2017 6:17 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2017 6:14 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2017 6:11 pm Again, you don't know what he said to me. If it is true, he is not good for the town.
what if it's not true?
I have no idea why he would lie about this. And the way he reacted to me going right to the thread did not lead me to think it was not true.

I feel surest about a lynch of Wilgy today. Just like you feel surest about Nutella, although I am not sure I agree with you. This is based on what he said to me, and then how he reacted and what he said after I put it to the thread.

I will happily talk about what he said to me when he is gone, and indeed, I have already told one person.

Fair enough. I don't have the time to work this out any further anyway. I've got to go. I hope I'm more involved on Day 2.

sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2017 9:53 am I can't take Rico seriously at all until he drops his shenanigans. He's basically invisible to me at this point

This sounds like an easy excuse to throw shade on a player.

Oh he's dead.

"Sloonei pretended not to know sprityo was dead to clear himself."

Voting nutella to start the day.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2017 7:25 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2017 7:24 pm Voting nutella to start the day.
Sounds like a delicious part of a balanced breakfast.

Not if I'm just scooping it straight from the jar.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2017 7:26 pm Dunno who I'll be voting for. Probably the first person to make me sad.

What does it take to make you sad?

What's suspicious?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2017 8:03 pm
L I S T

ROYGBIV, not RYOGBIV.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2017 8:23 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jun 12, 2017 12:14 am I'm interested in the public vote as a scum hunting mechanism.
Did you ever make something of this, Sloonei?

No.

I am continuing to be sick and not have much energy for this game. I apologize. I appreciate Long Con doing the thing I said I'd do today.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Jun 16, 2017 11:38 am I put a vote on Sloonei.

Props to whoever figures out why first.

To get me to talk?

I still don't share the furstration or whatever you want to call it surrounding Rico, but I come from a place that was more comfortable with roleplaying and gimmicky behavior than the Syndicate historically is.
There is content in his posts. Not as much as there could be, but it's there. And we can bring more of it out of him, I think. My gut instinct is to always read players as town when they do things like this, because everyone else's gut instinct is to read them as scum. I don't think it's something players "hide behind". Posting gimmicks scream for attention.

Spoiler: show

@Long Con, why do you think a baddie would be unlikely to vote for a teammate in the protection poll? If they're the ones performing the kill, it does not matter one way or the other who they vote to protect. They could theoretically choose to protect a teammate. There is very little risk with the potential for a reward (a town vigilante, perhaps, could attempt to fire on said teammate).

My thought process on this vote is that scum would generally be less careful with their votes. They know who they are killing, so it does not matter who they vote for. Players who gave no reason or frivolous reasons would be worth looking at. I know I gave no reason. I was away on sick person business for most of the night and realized about 15 minutes peior to the deadline that I had not cast a vote yet. Epi dies early in a lot of games and I had a slight inclination to town read him, so he was my first instinct. My vote didn't seem to matter much anyway.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Jun 16, 2017 11:58 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jun 16, 2017 11:54 am I still don't share the furstration or whatever you want to call it surrounding Rico, but I come from a place that was more comfortable with roleplaying and gimmicky behavior than the Syndicate historically is.
There is content in his posts. Not as much as there could be, but it's there. And we can bring more of it out of him, I think. My gut instinct is to always read players as town when they do things like this, because everyone else's gut instinct is to read them as scum. I don't think it's something players "hide behind". Posting gimmicks scream for attention.
Really, because a majority of the content behind his Poppy posts have been No U's.

I suppose I'll dig into his posts later and look to see who he suspects and why, but for now I'm comfy with my vote.

I give those No U's a bit more weight in circumstances like these. Rico is presenting himself as the lowest hanging fruit. Players who go after him are going after the easiest target. There's room for suspicion there.

I never said anything about the night poll not being taken seriously. I was attempting to analyze it, to get other people talking about it.

You're right that my thoughts are more Mafia 101 than game-specific. I'd say that's a product of me being sick and busy, and having only one foot in this game. I see it going on and want to take part, but I've been unable to commit fully to it.

I should take a step back from the Rico defense. I just think the aggression against him has been overzealous. People have been hounding him from the start, and I don't think that's fair. But, like I said earlier, he's not providing as much content as he could, and if that continues then he'll become more suspicious to me.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Jun 16, 2017 1:24 pm I'd feel worse about my Rico vote if their response to my suspicion wasn't completely devoid of any actual substance and if they had spent at least one post showing who they're actually suspicious of.

You voted for nutella yesterday. Has your opinion on her changed?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Jun 16, 2017 1:43 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jun 16, 2017 1:37 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Jun 16, 2017 1:24 pm I'd feel worse about my Rico vote if their response to my suspicion wasn't completely devoid of any actual substance and if they had spent at least one post showing who they're actually suspicious of.
You voted for nutella yesterday. Has your opinion on her changed?
Kinda.

Care to elaborate?

G-Man wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2017 3:28 pm Hang me from the gallows if you like. If there were replacements available I'd sub out. I almost certainly won't be back before the lynch.

Kid 1 woke up from her nap with a 105 degree fever, so mafia takes the back seat.

Kid 1 and I have a lot in common.

Sorry folks. I hope I can be a participant in this game soon. But right now I don't have the energy to concentrate on things.

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2017 8:14 pm
insertnamehere wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2017 8:06 pm DrWilgy/Detective Williams: Vanilla civilian
Sprityo/Little Donny: Vanilla civilian
G-Man/Mrs. Williams: Vanilla civilian
Ricochet/Sandy Williams: Vanilla civilian
Well damn.

Were you hoping one of them would be a power role?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2017 9:01 pm Would it make sense for mafia who are paying attention to the game to kill Rico, a fellow who had accrued so much suspicion.

Perhaps one or two of them are among the folks who were most annoyed by Poppy.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2017 9:13 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2017 9:11 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2017 9:01 pm Would it make sense for mafia who are paying attention to the game to kill Rico, a fellow who had accrued so much suspicion.
Perhaps one or two of them are among the folks who were most annoyed by Poppy.
So annoyed they killed their biggest, best distraction?

Perhaps.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2017 9:29 pm llama has been both annoyed and distracted.

thellama73 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 13, 2017 3:52 pm The question re: rico is, how much of a distraction is he being? I am okay with lynching sufficiently distracting players, as it improves the efficiency of future play.

thellama73 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 13, 2017 9:33 am ALl in favor of voting to lynch the most annoying player?

thellama73 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2017 1:51 pm I guess an explanation for my inactivity is in order. I have been traveling the last two weeks, and will be traveling again tomorrow. In the meantime, I'm catching up on work and preparing for when I will be gone, so mafia is unable to recieve my full attention. I'll sure try not to miss votes though!

The top post reads like he's asking permission to start a push against Rico. I don't see how the bottom post is relevant here though.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2017 9:32 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2017 9:31 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2017 9:29 pm llama has been both annoyed and distracted.

thellama73 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 13, 2017 3:52 pm The question re: rico is, how much of a distraction is he being? I am okay with lynching sufficiently distracting players, as it improves the efficiency of future play.

thellama73 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 13, 2017 9:33 am ALl in favor of voting to lynch the most annoying player?

thellama73 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2017 1:51 pm I guess an explanation for my inactivity is in order. I have been traveling the last two weeks, and will be traveling again tomorrow. In the meantime, I'm catching up on work and preparing for when I will be gone, so mafia is unable to recieve my full attention. I'll sure try not to miss votes though!

The top post reads like he's asking permission to start a push against Rico. I don't see how the bottom post is relevant here though.
That would be the distracted part.

I took "distracted" in this conversation to mean "distracted by Rico", not "distracted in general." I don't fault a player for being busy. I don't give him town cred for it either.

fair 'nuff

I assumed sprit was killed because he was a safe option, unlikely to receive public protection.

Quin wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2017 11:24 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2017 10:55 pm I assumed sprit was killed because he was a safe option, unlikely to receive public protection.
Was the public protection thing not on a poll? If so killing the 'safe' option feels counterproductive.

Yes. But they wouldn't have known who was going to win the vote, and the poll was tight. Choosing a player like sprit all but ensures that their target would not receive a flurry of votes and cancel out their kill unexpectedly.
It could also have been because he was hinting at "information", or they just wanted to keep us off balance, since he was not a player many people were discussing at all.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2017 10:55 am FWIW I can think of at least one game Epignosis and I were partners and he threw me under the bus.

I was just about to say that if llama is scum, he's a good bus candidate. Not necessarily Epi throwing him under the bus, but someone out there could be doing it. If he is scum.

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