The Syndicate

I like this whole trying to break the game open and looking for tactical advantage. Reminds me of the old days. Question for you big thinkers- if we pile up 3 evolution votes on a player who is mafia, what's to stop them from saying, "Hey, yeah, I evolved," when they didn't?

Also, if this plan goes through, you should probably try to mandate people not just alternate between the same people if they're still alive. In theory, a baddie could just switch back and forth between their teammates if two baddies wind up in the evolution pool.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 2:06 pm Anybody disagree with "Fred, Tony, LC, Nutella, Speed" as the list of five preferred Evo's on Day 0?

I already threw my vote in there. If someone doesn't want me in there because I helped come up with the idea, swap me out for Sprityo maybe. But unless there are objections, this'll do for D0.

On N1, we can do public assigning.

If I understand you right, your Evolve Vote list is comprised of people you feel inclined to trust based on prior experience with them?

G-Man wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 2:49 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 2:06 pm Anybody disagree with "Fred, Tony, LC, Nutella, Speed" as the list of five preferred Evo's on Day 0?

I already threw my vote in there. If someone doesn't want me in there because I helped come up with the idea, swap me out for Sprityo maybe. But unless there are objections, this'll do for D0.

On N1, we can do public assigning.
Is my understanding correct?
If I understand you right, your Evolve Vote list is comprised of people you feel inclined to trust based on prior experience with them?

G-Man wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 2:49 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 2:06 pm Anybody disagree with "Fred, Tony, LC, Nutella, Speed" as the list of five preferred Evo's on Day 0?

I already threw my vote in there. If someone doesn't want me in there because I helped come up with the idea, swap me out for Sprityo maybe. But unless there are objections, this'll do for D0.

On N1, we can do public assigning.
If I understand you right, your Evolve Vote list is comprised of people you feel inclined to trust based on prior experience with them?

Is my understanding correct?

*kicks iphone for quote fail*

I'm not fine with putting such a strategy together based solely on one person's preferences. If Jack wants a list, let's all submit five or six names and select the ones that appear the most. If the plan can indeed thumb the scale in our favor, then it's too important to be nonchalant about picking names.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 4:10 pm Boo
Gman
Dizzy
Nutella
Speedchuck
DF

Thats my proposed list. You guys post yours. I propose we make a deadline for it and then everyone sends their votes. Is 3 hours before the end of N0 good enough?

It's currently 44 minutes until your 3-hour mark.

I don't have any reads, so I don't trust anyone at this point. It's an intriguing idea if it is carried out democratically. Jack's arbitrary list just doesn't sit well with me. That's not a knock against Jack; just a knock against arbitrary lists.

If I vote for someone on Jack's list, it won't be because their name was on Jack's list. If I vote for someone not on Jack's list, it won't be because they weren't on Jack's list.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 5:17 pm
G-Man wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 4:56 pm I don't have any reads, so I don't trust anyone at this point. It's an intriguing idea if it is carried out democratically. Jack's arbitrary list just doesn't sit well with me. That's not a knock against Jack; just a knock against arbitrary lists.
Why do you think my list is arbitrary?

It's not so much your list that is arbitrary. Rather, the adoption of your list by all would would make it arbitrary. Your list as you intend it (a list of people you're inclined to trust based on past experience) is meaningless to me because I'm not inclined to trust anyone at the start of the game. It's not a case of me coming at you. I'm just being picky.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 5:58 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 5:22 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 5:21 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 5:17 pm
G-Man wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 4:56 pm I don't have any reads, so I don't trust anyone at this point. It's an intriguing idea if it is carried out democratically. Jack's arbitrary list just doesn't sit well with me. That's not a knock against Jack; just a knock against arbitrary lists.
Why do you think my list is arbitrary?
Because you decided it on your own. That's the definition or arbitrary.
Arbitrary - Based on randomness or personal whim.

My list is not arbitrary.
This is the one I found.

subject to individual will or judgment without restriction; contingent solely upon one's discretion:

If you decided by yourself and not by a collective process, it's arbitrary. No matter how rational you claim your method is.

Besides, half the people in your list haven't even posted so I'm skeptical about the rationality of it too.

I think the whole package is arbitrary only if we all agree to run with his list because it was the first batch of names put out there. But we didn't do that. At least some of us.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 8:55 pm Neat. I will absolutely not voting for Dizzy. Love u fam.

Currently in the running for my point will be going to either DDL or JoH. You two fight to the death for my affection plz.

What does everyone think about ending day 1 in a tie?

In Epi games, ties result in no lynch. I'm not sure if Simon is a chip off the old block like that. Are you proposing a tie just to see what happens since it's not spelled out in the rules or to try to have a lynchless day?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 9:11 pm I suppose the whole cordination thing has been flushed down the toilet, since half of the voters did not say who they were voting for.

Did anyone evolve? Or were told they got points (are we even allowed to reveal those things)?

I think the voting is still open. Perhaps notifications are being withheld until after the deadline.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 9:12 pm
Really? I've played a bunch of Epi games and never seen a no lynch.

I don't recall always seeing that declared in Epi games but I know that he advised me of such a policy's merits when I first got back in the hosting game. Unless game mechanics make the issue moot, I believe he prefers it that way. Again though, this is Simon's game, so

I'm not sure how much time I will have this evening before the deadline but I will re-read the thread over lunch and see if anything jumps out at me.

In case this is helpful...

boo- posts
DFaraday- posts
Dragon D. Luffy- posts
Dyslexicon- posts
Dom- posts
DrWilgy- posts
Elohcin- posts
Fredwood- posts
G-Man- posts
Jackofhearts2005- posts
Long Con- posts
MacDougall- posts
Neverwhere- posts
nutella- posts
speedchuck- posts
sprityo- posts
timmer- posts
Tink- posts
TonyStarkPrime- posts

If there's no way to hold people accountable for their evolution votes, then how exactly is coordinating useful to us anymore? This plan was de-fanged when Epi said we couldn't confirm evolutions.

It was said here:

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 9:39 pm We are accepting votes until 8am EST tomorrow because of poor wording in one of the posts. Future evolution votes will occur during Night phases.

Evolved Pokemon will not be allowed to say they have evolved, as that falls under the no role outing / info dumping rules.

I've got a case of the Mondays. Digging out from a three-day week last week and a few surprises kept me from re-reading in full. I've been trying to follow along this afternoon as best I could. Seems like a pretty standard Day 1 to me.

I like lynch drama.

timmer wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 8:02 pm Changed my vote, sinc eI don't feel like being dead just yet.

I voted for you Day 0, timmer, so I'd rather not vote for you now just to tie it up. I'd hate for you to be a civvie and discover that I wasted a vote on someone who died early.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 10:27 pm
Really bothered by the idea that three people voted me for unstated reasons.

I gave a reason for my vote.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2017 6:37 am Hey Gman do you still do those vote analysis thingies?

That depends on whether or not the site's vote-tracking system was changed back to the old way or not. During my brief stint in Blue Velvet, we discovered that the vote order under each vote recipient wasn't necessarily the order in which those players voted for that person. Rather it kept everyone listed based on when they first voted. If someone was the first to vote, then switched it to a well-established train, they would still show up as the first voter instead of the last. Unless this has been altered, I can't do my technicolors because I don't have the time to search through the thread for vote order.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2017 10:28 am @Gman

I don't see it.

I voted just after posting this:

G-Man wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 7:54 pm I like lynch drama.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2017 1:51 pm
G-Man wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2017 12:33 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2017 10:28 am @Gman

I don't see it.
I voted just after posting this:

G-Man wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 7:54 pm I like lynch drama.

I like lynching baddies.

I'd be on baddies like white on rice if I knew who the mafia were.

Unfortunately, work is insane and I haven't had time to digest the thread in full. When in doubt, have fun!

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2017 3:10 pm I like Boo

Not sure if he is good or bad, but I like him. He plays the way I do.

Impressed by him am I as well.

Interesting result. Not a very strategic kill. I suspect it's someone with experience playing against Jack.

RIP.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2017 9:10 pm
G-Man wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2017 8:49 pm Interesting result. Not a very strategic kill. I suspect it's someone with experience playing against Jack.

RIP.
Odd what makes you say this?

Instinctuition.

I'm in the process of re-reading the game. I'm currently on Day 0. Nothing too substantial just yet. I'll see how the minor pings play out after I finish with Day 1.

In the interest of full disclosure, I have re-read 2/3 of Day 0. Based on what I've re-read, I am not inclined to vote for either Timmer or Boo because neither one had much substance whatsoever by the point where I left off. I plan on voting but I haven't a clue where just yet.

I finished my Day 0 re-read. Can someone link the the turning points for both Boo and Timmer? I see talk of Timmer's meta but is there substance in the thread to or just him meeting that meta? Time to go home for dinner and then an ill-informed vote.

I'm not confident in either wagon right now, so I may abstain. Why use Day 0 information to cast a Day 2 vote? I will keep reading tonight and tomorrow in an attempt to catch up.

Insult to injury- timmer's lynch confirms that all three of the Day 1 lynch trains were civvies. That will actually help me during my re-read. RIP Timmer. Looks my Day 0 vote was wasted after all.

I've got 1.5 pages of Day 1 left to read. There's an awful lot of nothing there. I'm guilty of contributing to that nothing, so I apologize for that.

Intriguing results to my re-read so far. If the baddies NK me, I may still take notes as I follow along just to see if I can work this thing out. Never enough time these days it seems.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Jun 29, 2017 4:21 pm Some bits

Tink is so aggressively apathetic I want to lynch him/her just for that. The whole whing days zero about their alignment though, unfortunately.

G-man seems detatched. Im having a bad feeling about him.

Boo... I still want to believe in my read, but this lynch has forced me to evaluate it, and some of his posts do seem forced. Some players are just weird though, I dunno.

If by distracted you mean sneaking the start of a mafia game in behind the wife's back on a weekend and working 11-hour days ever since, while trying to read the game and take notes when I have a spare minute or two (not to mention using my entire lunch break to read while shoveling calories into my mouth), only to go home and sneak mafia in behind the wife's back before and after the kids go to bed... Yeah, you got me.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Thu Jun 29, 2017 5:38 pm So I have no clue how I will actually keep up with this game while on vacation. I will vote for someone for evolve points and be on my merry way. I will be back home and ready to play on the 4th. Please don't lynch me or kill me.

Linki:. Gman and his mistress, mafia. Shame, shame.

Indeed, mafia is my mistress. That seductive whore's pull on me is strong. Thankfully, other forms of infidelity are not in my DNA.

My notes are incomplete. I'm on page 8, but here's what I got so far. I jotted down a note to correspond with every post other players make. We'll see if it needs to be split up....

BOO

Spoiler: show

DFARADAY

Spoiler: show

DOM

Spoiler: show

DRAGON D. LUFFY

Spoiler: show

~~Day0~~
-Gimme evo points!; throws up a Pokemon chart of unknown usefullness
-Corrects timmer's post about Evee (gets more evo options)
-Double post
-Triple post
-Notes the multi-posting phenomenon
-More talk on chart of unknown usefullness
-Would rather keep the votes secret so baddies can't plot who to kill in an attempt to time kills to knock out potentially evolving players
-Can't stop the kill from preventing baddie evolution but they can block town powers by messing with pre-planned evolution vote scheme
-Sees some logic in public voting
-Evolving six means baddies have to catch up with their kills; second evo stage a wrinkle
-How do we know baddies keeping their side of the evo vote bargain?
-Day ends too soon to coordinate Day 0 votes
-Irrelevant
-Skeptical but open to evo coordination
-Linki: yeah
-Throws out a bunch of role interaction examples
-Why not six?
-Okay with list but wants to evolve at some point too
-Town roles are weak
-Doesn't like to see someone say 'baddie roles are useless' so nonchalantly
-His list: Boo, G-Man, Dyslexicon, Nutella, Speed, DFaraday {come back to this}
-Make lists, not talk
-Double post
-End the debate and actually move forward on this
-Let's do something!
-Oh to hell with it, plan flailing on Day 0 now anyway
-Feels weird to not be #1 target in a Day 1 for a change
-Tried to be democratic, now stuck with Jack's list
-Arbitrary @ Jack
-Sees Dyslexicon on lots of lists, evo vote there
-Arbitrary @ Jack

~~Day1~~
-Coordination dead already? ; Asks questions he should know the answer to- we can't say if evolved!
-Irrelevant
-Confusion on evo voting
-We can coordinate but no one seems to care
-@Jack- Yes, coordination is still a good idea
-@Jack- semantics; Tells Jack to vote for him
-@Jack- more semantics
-@Eloh- who did you evo vote for?
-@Jack- whatev
-@Jack- Why do I appear dishonest
-Sus of Timmer for saying he won't vote for evo vote whores; Would expect people not wanting votes to be baddies b/c they have teammates to help them; Timmer disappeared, evo voted, and took off again- plans to vote for him
-Irrelevant
-Says he thinks Jack is town; Coordinating window is closing for D1
-Where's Mac?
-Irrelevant
-If not coordinating, we should probably not announce intentions
-Irrelevant
-Thinks voting non-posters is a waste {comes right after DF's vote for Tony}
-Thought Boo seemed good for same post others got pinged by- unlikely baddies would be so vocal against a civvie plan with some momentum
-@Fred- Where I come from, inactives are just modkilled
-@Fred- people who post provide us with interactions with other players
-Not a fan of Wilgy's ? about is Jack is a teammate
-Would vote Dom over Mac because he's read Mac right before; Wants to get to know Dom's style
-Doesn't have a solid answer for Fred- It depends
-@Fred- a timmer lynch depends on how he defends himself, who defneds him, and how voters attack him; In lynching an inactive, we don't engage each other
-Feels least good about LC of the four he was asked about lynching {kind of annoying when he doesn't quote- linkbacks and context help; probably just preference but it disrupts interaction analysis}
-Enough questions. Sheesh
-Time check
-Thinks Epi will modkill Tony for claiming- wants us to vote elsewhere
-Irrelevant
-Thinks inactives should be mod-killed come Day 2; Mafia want to lynch inactives because they don't have to justify their vote and they can avoid questions
-@Fred- duh dude
-@Fred- Epi won't replace inactives?
-Lurker lynches on D1 rare {huh?}
-Irrelevant
-@Fred- Irrelevant

DRWILGY

Spoiler: show

DYSLEXICON

Spoiler: show

ELOHCIN

Spoiler: show

FREDWOOD

Spoiler: show

JACKOFHEARTS

Spoiler: show

~~Day0~~
-Lynch/game mechanics question; suggestsdeclaring evo votes
-Says he doesn't want evo points- keep a target off of him, OT stuff
-Big list of everyone and why he will/won't consider giving them evo points {this list is useless as he was civvie- nothing to read into or glean from it connectionally, as it came so early and without any observation on in-game play}
-Thinks Dsylexicon is civ based on pontification post
-Likes the idea of picking six players to evolve Day 0; Anticipates resistance
-Thinking through coordination mechanics/enforcement
-Irrelevant
-Also notices my lack of reading comprehension; Defends the plan
-Irrelevant
-Likes Speed's idea, suggests five names (Fred, Tony, LC, Nutella, Speed)
-Not worried about evolving baddies
-Philosophical discussion about powers
-Philosophizing
-Scumreads DDL
-Throws shade at me
-Defends against DFaraday's and my poo-pooing
-Arbitrary
-Okay with democracy in next round of evo voting
-Arbitrary @ DDL

~~Day1~~
-Evo vote for Tony
-Asks DDL if he thinks coordination is good idea
-@Dyslexicon- not onl list because you said you didn't want evo points
-@DDL- for someone open to coordination, you sure do argue against it
-@Wilgy- half-assed- specific?
-@Wilgy- irrelevant
-@DDL- Arguing over coordination- inconsistency and appearance of dishonesty
-More banter with DDL
-@Fred- irrelevant
-@DDL- points out how DDL's words may paint Jack negatively {interpretation though}
-Irrelevant
-Irrelevant
-No reason not to announce who you evo vote for; Wants to hear reasons why people don't want to share their vote intentions; Plans to vote for Dyslexicon N1
-@DDL, you passively argue against coordination- say you are for it but come up with ways to rationalize not doing it
-Not voting DDL because he's got a lot of content; He's got pings but he wants active discussion; Would rather pass on active scum than let passive scum slide
-@G-Man- Aw poo, I missed the enforcement-breaking post
-EBWOP
-OT
-Claims opinions on only very few people
-@Fred/LC- Why is boo pingy?
-Irrelevant @Dyslexicon
-@DDL- Thinks voting for nons is okay- he's been screwed over in past games by no-show baddies- makes it hard to read
-Tony active elsewhere and shouldn't need sub
-@Wilgy- says he'd vote DDL over Jack {duh} and Mac over Dom
-Votes Mac
-Feels better about DDL; Not crazy about reasonless votes
-Wants to see votes listed in thread too
-Irrelevant

~~Night1~~
-Not thinking Boo bad from that- needs more time; Could go with a Boo or Timmer lynch; Townreads LC, Speed*; Feels okay about Nutella and Wilgy; No read on Fred; Dyslexicon and G-Man take a hit for voting him but slight townread on Dyslexicon
-EBWOP

LONG CON

Spoiler: show

MAC

Spoiler: show

NEVERWHERE

Spoiler: show

NUTELLA

Spoiler: show

SPEEDCHUCK

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SPRITYO

Spoiler: show

TIMMER

Spoiler: show

TINK

Spoiler: show

TONYSTARKPRIME

Spoiler: show

In true fashion, I garbled one of them up. Here's Sprityo's dossier:

SPRITYO

Spoiler: show

Ick. You're right. I will go through again after dinner and double check them all. Somehow Wilgy notes ended up in the Faraday tab.

Inconclusive just yet on a number of people. I'm up to page 9 of 13, so I'm getting there.

With all three of the top vote recipients on Day 1 being civvie, it makes it harder to pull anything from the day. The votes piling onto those folks were not cast to save anyone, so we have to look for lazy votes on the main trains and noncommittal votes off those trains.

What I was looking for are players who seemed quick to agree with the ideas of others but slow to offer their own insight. I'm also wary of those who are both low-content and low-quality posters. While I'm sure we have at least one active and engaged baddie, I wouldn't be surprised if the baddie team coasted through with minimal effort since none of them were in harm's way.

A few people that I think fit the coasting profile for Day 1 are Dyslexicon, Elohcin, Fredwood, Neverwhere, Nutella, Sprityo, and Tink.

We'll see if Day 2 got better for any of them.

I recommend turning off signatures until the problem is resolved.

I got through the end of Night 1 but taking notes is slowing me down. I'm going to read through Day 2 and Night 2 and try to pounce on two or three people before the deadline.

I put emphasis on the early evo lists because I thought it might be interesting to cross-reference them later as people die off.

DFaraday: G-Man, DDL, Dyslexicon
DDL: Boo, Dyslexicon, Nutella, Speedchuck, DFaraday
Dyslexicon: Nutella, Timmer, DDL, DFaraday
Nutella: Jack, G-Man, Long Con, Speedchuck, Dyslexicon, Timmer
Sprityo: Speedchuck, Dom, Jack, DrWilgy, LC, Mac

I'll come back around to it later but I would imagine baddies would only risk putting one teammate in such a list so as to protect the other in case they are found out.

Here are some quick thoughts on everyone:

Boo: I think he was warranted in pointing out inconsistencies with Nutella but I don't know that they amount to full-on contradiction. I didn't really pick up on his beef with LC.

DFaraday: He took a nice and fair shot across the bow at Wilgy Day 2. I agree with him that Boo's Day 2 vote was inconsistent with his suss of LC but he was also a hot item at the time.

Dom:

Dragon D. Luffy: Dragons breathe fire, thus they produce a lot of smoke. DDL has produced a lot of smoke (posts) but the value of the content has been lean. Lots of early mechanics and evo discussion and some snarking throughout. Vocal is good for now though. I am trying to temper my natural desire to distrust him.

DrWilgy: Other than agreeing with Nutella about Boo, what have you contributed that's been substantive? Lots of tangents and fluff.

Dyslexicon: Showed promise early on. Please come back and play.

Elohcin: I realize she's on vacation. That muddies the waters. Her game so far sucks. Her Timmer vote was poor. I'm undecided yet. Distracted Eloh may not be the same as overly-agreeable Eloh.

Fredwood: Cultural differences make you stand out. You're determination on having to vote for Boo or Timmer Day 2 was poorly conceived. I might like to watch you die.

G-Man: This is why we love him.

Long Con: When I come to my notes on him, I can see why Boo started throwing shade. A few posts that could be leading/coaching but the sample size needs expanded.

MacDougall: Welcome aboard.

Neverwhere: Picking up Lazy Rotten Deborah vibes here. I might like to watch you die.

nutella: When you get defensive, you get wordy. Wordy explanations can be interpreted as the work of a try-hard. Be succinct or be dead. You back-peddled on Boo as well. That was curious.

sprityo: Fluffy McFlufferson. You upped your game recently but I still don't trust you. I might like to watch you die.

Tink: You must be an Under The Radar Talent Fairy. I might like to watch you die.

I've got a question for Boo...

boo wrote: ↑Thu Jun 29, 2017 5:28 pm
DFaraday wrote: ↑Thu Jun 29, 2017 4:58 pm What don't people like about G-Man? He's not a super high poster, but I'm getting a genuine attempt at helpfulness from him.

Boo, you said before you wanted to lynch LC. Is this still the case?
I want to see the NK before I answer that. I think LC and I will both survive it, but if that isn't the case, my thoughts for where we should take things d3 aren't helpful.

What's the answer now?

Is that all you got, Fred? You spoke more about mafia theory and side-bar stuff on Day 1 than anything with teeth. On Day 2, you gave me one poke about my NK analysis and then disappeared, only to come in at the end of the day, expressing dismay at having no choice but to vote for one of Timmer or Boo because they were the top trains. You also tried to angle it as if my abstention was forcing us into a coin-flip (without even understanding how Epi and Simon break lynch ties).

Dude, I once posted in nothing but pics and memes for a whole game because I wanted to. Same goes for the time I posted like a Magic 8-Ball. Or the time I posted like the Old Spice guy (the man your man could smell like). Or the time I played in character as Dr. frickin' Evil. It's a free internet. Everyone still had a choice at the end of Day 2. My actions didn't force you or anyone else to do anything. Saying otherwise is just trying to pass the buck.

Speaking of my NK analysis, I still maintain that Jack's murder wasn't smart. Unless the baddies killed Jack because he came out and said that, despite all the argle-bargle with DDL, he thought DDL was civ, it's an unforced error. The only benefit to come out of it was getting rid of the most talkative player. Around here, talkative and sharp players don't get taken out right away or JaggedJimmyJay would be the first NK every time. That's why I think it makes sense for someone from Jack's or another mafia culture to be behind that. Perhaps they have a teammate that is barely around to bounce ideas off of. Whatever the case, it quieted down the thread and achieved little else.

If you all had to choose between the following five people for today's lynch, who would you vote for? Right now, I'm wavering between two of them, possibly a third.

-Fredwood
-Neverwhere
-Nutella
-Sprityo
-Tink

Fredwood wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2017 4:35 pm Actually I voted for you until EoD and have been saying your activity at EoD was suspect also I never said you trying to force a tie I said you didn't care who got lynched, very different. Listing a long list of stuff and not coming away with anything other then OMGUS isn't very strong either, and self-quoting your analysis at someone who hasn't really gotten any traction on his read of you.

If you can't see a reason in trying to force a flinch then gif posting could be fun. On top of that, the majority of day 1 was theory crafting about how to determine how to distribute evolution points, then we got into a debate about inactive lynching day 1, so acting like anyone had teeth day 1 is patently silly. Forgetting that caveat I had a number of positive reads, like Speed, like Dys, like Jack and like DDL...some of them were emphatic town reads. So if townclearing someone in my mind isn't as effective scum hunting /shrug. I also have suspicions and I tied the vote to see if I got a reaction jump, the fact that I didn't (when no one knew how ties were resolved) tells me that scum didn't necessarily care about d2 lynch and boo is at least cleared for this phase in my mind. But hey, I'm not doing anything.

Fredwood wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2017 8:12 pm 28 minutes my bad. Dys and Elo I guess could vote though, I just realized I don't recall a single Tink post either, there must have been one or so. G-Man forcing a coin flip or a vote change from someone concerns me that neither are scum.

I'm mistaken, eh? You placed the outcome of a poll, where people vote, on me, who abstained from voting, in that read of yours. As for fishing for reactions, that's fine and all. I don't suspect Boo either but it didn't take tying him with Timmer for me to reach that conclusion. Tone reads, though rare with me, are handy like that.

Fredwood wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2017 4:47 pm Forcing a tie or getting someone to decide the vote...The fact that it's a tie didn't matter to you...what's hard about this to understand.

I was actively interested in forcing a tie, you were actively interested in not being involved in either wagon. See the difference?

I had zero confidence in either option. That's a far cry from being indifferent to the outcome.

If you had zero confidence in the lynch, then why on earth did you vote for Timmer? Was it because you had already voted for him once before? I mean, picking one of the two top trains just because that's how the day is going to roll isn't logical if you think you're going to vote for a civvie either way. That kind of binary thinking reminds me of the 2016 election. *shudders*

I wish Mac hadn't voted for Sprityo, because that's where I'm leaning right now.

Wilgy- of those five I listed, take Tink out. Who would be next after eliminating the barely-there participant?

sprityo wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2017 5:48 pm Question, why is Nutella and fredwood in that list?

Fredwood in general is looking better than you Gman.

I haven't really noticed Nutella much today, but I'm confident almost no one would vote for her. I feel like you added her in the for no apparent reason.

I have Nutella on that list because she's close to being suspicious for me. The excessive wordiness in her defenses is overkill. Almost like she's trying to wrap it up too neatly. I believe she has a background in linguistics, so that may explain her wordiness. I, however, have a background (one of the two) in communications, so I prefer conciseness.

Fred is on my list because of how much mechanics and theory he focused on. None of the coordination/enforcement scheme matters now, so it is possible that I am biased against so much mechanics and theory discussion when reading in retrospect. I believe I said he disappeared on Day 2, which may not actually be the case. I was typing fast and referring to my notes, which I stopped taking in detail once I hit Day 2. From that point on, I only noted relevant and noteworthy things, which for Fred amounted to this:

~~Day2~~
-Comes at me about NK analysis- {likely cultural, see how hard he presses}
-Says he has to vote one of the two- {no, you don't have to; you can have principles}
-Says I am forcing a coin-flip- BS
-Last minute vote switch to Timmer

@Sprityo- Those are the five people I am most inclined to vote for, so I wanted thoughts from everyone else on them. Four of the five received an "I might like to watch you die" in my comments and Nutella is only about a block over from that neighborhood, so I figured I'd throw her in for good measure.

I won't flip scum.

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