The Syndicate

Am... am I actually in this game? Ok.

I have no idea what is going on but spirityo gets my vote because of this post

sprityo wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 1:32 pm Are y'all enjoying your day zero shenanigans? It's noon and I just woke up, so I can assure I won't be reading anything before this

Also hi jack. We'll see how much I can trust you.

Fredwood wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2017 10:39 pm Fucking A...So clears Tink...no way does Mafia save her over Spirit so I think they were a V/W wagon. Glad I at least moved my vote off her to at least give her the chance in a tie.

I'm taking a couple pings of G-Man because I think he was the first to vote Spirit post Macs Early vote. Though I don't want to town clear him fully yet, I think he fully knows if he votes Tink there and it's a town flip, his goose is cooked. However he did cast shade on Spirit early in the phase, so he's in my wary group.

Not sure what to do about Mac's vote, and the last time I gave voter credit for Nutella it came back to bite me in the ass.

If I don't get credit for it I will throw a huge tantrum. That was pure Mac genius. That is how I hunt.

You better recognize real quick just who y'all dealing with. Don't you ever doubt me. I am the motherfucker.

Fredwood wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2017 10:39 pm Fucking A...So clears Tink...no way does Mafia save her over Spirit so I think they were a V/W wagon. Glad I at least moved my vote off her to at least give her the chance in a tie.

I'm taking a couple pings of G-Man because I think he was the first to vote Spirit post Macs Early vote. Though I don't want to town clear him fully yet, I think he fully knows if he votes Tink there and it's a town flip, his goose is cooked. However he did cast shade on Spirit early in the phase, so he's in my wary group.

Not sure what to do about Mac's vote, and the last time I gave voter credit for Nutella it came back to bite me in the ass.

This some real bitch add shit right here. Immediately trying to cast doubt on the real motherfuckers. Go and get got boy.

I would have handed you fucked sprityo on a platter if I was here day 1. Y'all should just pipe down and let this big dog hunt.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2017 10:50 pmGood job Mac.

Don't patronize me wiggly man. Y'all wigglen and jigglen and shit. Sit yo ass down.

Thanks.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2017 10:51 pmMac plz.

Please what? Deliver you more gangsters? I intend to son.

boo wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2017 10:52 pm That being said... In her vote post, la said something that makes me wonder if Eloh is doing a certain civ Eloh thing... I don't really want to wander into that conjecture because I know people wouldn't appreciate it, but there are patterns all the same... I guess tink is clear enough for me if la doesn't flip her mind on that.

You sound like a homie. We can roll together.

Fredwood wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2017 11:00 pm IE if you're town you got lucky, if you're scum you're calculated.

There is nothing lucky about it. I am highly attuned to sensing forced posts.

Fredwood wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2017 11:55 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2017 11:43 pm
Fredwood wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2017 11:00 pm IE if you're town you got lucky, if you're scum you're calculated.
There is nothing lucky about it. I am highly attuned to sensing forced posts.
lol k, if were so sure where were you at EOD arguing your case? You left G-Man to do it...kind of, you had no imput in EOD and Spirit got lynched because of G-Man's/nuts reads. You seemed to be on pretty quickly after it, why I threw shade at Spirit in the first place. You had a lean, and got lucky if you were town.

I'm not giving anyone a town clear for one post clear of anybody especially when there was 2 other people more pivotal in the lynch then you. If you're that good you'd be insta-jibbed by scum immediately. I'm not putting you in bottom tier either, but giving yourself this much credit is gauche and aggravating,

I was just exaggerating and having a bit of fun buddy. Wth does gauche even mean?

I always scumread people correctly on day one. It is my thing. I don't get killed by Mafia because nobody ever lunches my day one suspects with me because people prefer to talk themselves into getting lynched.

So... You are suggesting my arrival after end of day indicates I was likely around before end of day and as town if I was that I should have been fighting for a sprityo lynch? When the implication is that I was around and that makes me bad ... yet I let sprityo get lynched. Devious. I would do that.

As it were I wasn't around, due primarily to doing other things in my life. Do you want an alibi?

I think you are bad. Your dissatisfaction with the result is shining through in your tone.

Fredwood wrote: ↑Sat Jul 01, 2017 2:13 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jul 01, 2017 8:38 am
Fredwood wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2017 11:55 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2017 11:43 pm
Fredwood wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2017 11:00 pm IE if you're town you got lucky, if you're scum you're calculated.
There is nothing lucky about it. I am highly attuned to sensing forced posts.
lol k, if were so sure where were you at EOD arguing your case? You left G-Man to do it...kind of, you had no imput in EOD and Spirit got lynched because of G-Man's/nuts reads. You seemed to be on pretty quickly after it, why I threw shade at Spirit in the first place. You had a lean, and got lucky if you were town.

I'm not giving anyone a town clear for one post clear of anybody especially when there was 2 other people more pivotal in the lynch then you. If you're that good you'd be insta-jibbed by scum immediately. I'm not putting you in bottom tier either, but giving yourself this much credit is gauche and aggravating,
I was just exaggerating and having a bit of fun buddy. Wth does gauche even mean?

I always scumread people correctly on day one. It is my thing. I don't get killed by Mafia because nobody ever lunches my day one suspects with me because people prefer to talk themselves into getting lynched.

So... You are suggesting my arrival after end of day indicates I was likely around before end of day and as town if I was that I should have been fighting for a sprityo lynch? When the implication is that I was around and that makes me bad ... yet I let sprityo get lynched. Devious. I would do that.

As it were I wasn't around, due primarily to doing other things in my life. Do you want an alibi?

I think you are bad. Your dissatisfaction with the result is shining through in your tone.
Na result was good, your reaction was bad guy.

Friendo, I don't want to see your alibi, cus frankly, compadre, I really don't care. Cochise, if you were so busy, being around 3 minutes after EOD is an awfully convenient time for you to suddenly not be busy Amigo.

I'd need some empirical evidence to back up your claim of always correctly guessing scum on day 1 before I actually believe that pallie.

Don't fret comrade, I didn't say you were bad, I said there was more then a logical reason for me to not full clear you. Notice how I didn't full clear my other chum G-Man?

That too passive aggressive, or not sarcastic enough?
Mafia: Where smokescreens and trolling are fun.

Way to dance around me unraveling your logic. Also awesome attempt at framing me with that night kill choice too.

You are still using the irrational argument that I was silent before the kill reveal and didn't change my vote off a teammate. You a crazy jesus.

Badwood gets my votus.

Fredwood wrote: ↑Sun Jul 02, 2017 1:49 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jul 01, 2017 10:45 pm [

Way to dance around me unraveling your logic. Also awesome attempt at framing me with that night kill choice too.

You are still using the irrational argument that I was silent before the kill reveal and didn't change my vote off a teammate. You a crazy jesus.
You go from me saying I'm not town clearing you to me saying you're a top suspect. Defensive much. You get bent out of shape when people say they won't give you credit, and then when they say why you don't get credit you get all flustered by it and say they're scum reading you. Please, the amount of crazy you're spewing is pretty impressive.

More ad hominem...and aren't apparently grasping the issue with your vote. You miss 3 days, pull some random reason to vote for someone say literally nothing when it matters, then 3 minutes after EOD act like you did something. You could be a lucky towny on a lean, or you could be an inactive scum that wants to buy credit. For you if you're scum the best outcome for you is if Spirit get's lynched. So yeah, you're not going to switch off your teammate, but you're also not opposed to a tink lynch. You say nothing and let it go down, you've placed yourself in a win/win.

The comment about timing is interesting, because you think I mean to say you were trying to save a teammate...which is laughable, you were a null factor in the lynch, nothing you said convinced anyone to vote for Spirit. So taking credit for it minutes after eod is interesting. The derpy pushback on this is questionable and I think that a DDL/Mac team is very likely at this point.

Also at that NK analysis.

First off, how the heck does a LC kill frame you? He literally parroted a parrot. On top of that if you really did think that LC was a good target to NK to try and push the OMG Fred is trying to frame me, you're quite ridiculous. First LC was one of 5 people I was placing underneath you in order of interest, I might have even put Tink under you. Instead of killing a clear, or a pretty high clear, did you really think that killing LC was your best move to push for the mislynch? In fact most of what I was doing last night was trying to mitigate the risk to strong town reads, I cast shade on Nut and G-man with some tinfoil BS, yet you're the only one to overtly and react to it in such a egregious manner.

I LITERALLY OVER CLEARED TINK AND UNDERCLEARED EVERYONE ELSE (this includes you). The amount of mental wrangling that you and your partner had to come to NK LC is beyond me, and frankly even if I do get lynched you guys made a huge mistake killing LC.

This post is too long and I did not read it.

Fam, I implore you to hop onto the Fredwood express and murder this guy in cold blood with me.

Fredwood wrote: ↑Sun Jul 02, 2017 5:53 am Yeah you did. It's about you. But its cool, avoid confrontation on your Jell-O logic.

This post confirms my suspicions about you. You are more interested in getting one over on the old Mac than genuinely finding bad guys.

Time to faint.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 02, 2017 6:04 am
Fredwood wrote: ↑Sun Jul 02, 2017 1:49 am The derpy pushback on this is questionable and I think that a DDL/Mac team is very likely at this point.
The OMGUS

We should publicly align ourselves. They would never suspect such a brash and brazen ploy.

Fredwood wrote: ↑Sun Jul 02, 2017 6:30 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jul 02, 2017 6:13 am
Fredwood wrote: ↑Sun Jul 02, 2017 5:53 am Yeah you did. It's about you. But its cool, avoid confrontation on your Jell-O logic.

This post confirms my suspicions about you. You are more interested in getting one over on the old Mac than genuinely finding bad guys.

Time to faint.
Nah you're just bad. At least you're putting more effort in this "push" then one post. You do realize the point of trying to push for a mislynch is that you have to actually argue with them. You're flinching so much it's sad.

Ah but Fredwood. It is you who is flinching. Because I said so.

Okay I just read the first three posts of your ISO Fredwood and am comfortable with your lynch. Feel free to fling your monkey poo at me but I have a level 12 forcefield and it won't affect me.

You immediately moved to discredit players who voted for the dead scum guy and tried to take the mic from me when I was on FIYAHHHH. And I am still on fiyahhh and you are still bad and you did kill Long Con because he said I was probably bad and this meltdown is basically entirely because I called you out on it and you can't believe how talented I am.

Fredwood wrote: ↑Sun Jul 02, 2017 6:48 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 02, 2017 6:39 am This is weird because the wagon is forming way early than usual.

But you are having such a violent meltdown that I can't possibly not vote for you. You are setting off every alarm at once, by throwing gasoline, setting them on fire, and then running around them naked and screaming.

If you're a civ this is a pretty terrible play from you. You need to learn how to chill.

But if you are bad... Yeah you also need to learn how to chill.
It's not a wagon, it's two people that I've been pressuring. Meltdown...no, I'm actually having fun. If I get mislynched it will probably be my first one in either ever, or in years, so it's a new fresh experience.

Yet you think I am flinching and having a meltdown even though all my posts reek of chill and talent. This isn't my first rodeo matus.

Fredwood wrote: ↑Sun Jul 02, 2017 6:58 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jul 02, 2017 6:51 am
Fredwood wrote: ↑Sun Jul 02, 2017 6:48 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 02, 2017 6:39 am This is weird because the wagon is forming way early than usual.

But you are having such a violent meltdown that I can't possibly not vote for you. You are setting off every alarm at once, by throwing gasoline, setting them on fire, and then running around them naked and screaming.

If you're a civ this is a pretty terrible play from you. You need to learn how to chill.

But if you are bad... Yeah you also need to learn how to chill.
It's not a wagon, it's two people that I've been pressuring. Meltdown...no, I'm actually having fun. If I get mislynched it will probably be my first one in either ever, or in years, so it's a new fresh experience.
Yet you think I am flinching and having a meltdown even though all my posts reek of chill and talent. This isn't my first rodeo matus.

lol is meltdown your buzzword, or you just latching onto an existing use of it? You're flinching because you're not actually engaging the discussion you're avoiding it in a flamboyant way.

Nah Luffy used the word in scum team chat and I scumslipped by using it here.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 02, 2017 7:02 am Your posts make me feel bad. Too much aggressiveness and sarcasm. I'll stop for now. Imma just wait for you to flip.

You can blame me for that, I am just that good at trolling.

Well you see Fredwood it's because you hurt his feelings. It's okay man I don't think you've really done anything wrong but I can see how your posts could come across as emotionally driven enough to provoke an emotional response. Also you are bad.

Your ping on me was based on me being right about who I voted for. You need better pings.

Fredwood wrote: ↑Sun Jul 02, 2017 7:34 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jul 02, 2017 7:23 am Your ping on me was based on me being right about who I voted for. You need better pings.
Now see, it's posts like these is why we can't be friends.

I gave you a meh clear, there's perfectly valid reasons for afk scum to come in and throw a vote on a teammate like that.

All my pings that you got is the chest thumping shortly after EOD after being quiet beforehand, and your reaction to me even suggesting there could be an alternate non-town motivation to your vote.

Okay bozo.

1. What's a meh clear? Is that some kind of throat lozenge?

2. You still haven't clarified this. You suggested that it was convenient that I appeared just after sprityo's flip as though to imply that I was around beforehand. You also suggested that if I was town and I was around (which you would need to be resigned to as fact to even reach this line of thought) I would have been pushing harder for my sprityo vote given that according to me I had a huge read on him (I didn't, I just trust my gut pings on early game posts and they are right 9 times out of 10 no hyperbole, I was just having some fun after the flip because I was excited).

So you are implying that I was here before the flip, by virtue of the coincidental timing of my celebratory posts, and that I am unlikely to be town because if I was, I would be pushing my sprityo votes sooner. Yet if I was Mafia and I was online before the end of day I would have had to have been being intentionally silent while sprityo got put into tie vote while my own vote which would easily be perceived as a chaos vote that meant nothing ergo could easily be moved without anyone really being able to hold it against me (and which exhibits behaviour that is demonstrably in line with both my mafia and my town meta), was still on sprityo. I simply could have moved my vote to the other person who had votes (assuming that all three of us are not Mafia friendz, which we definitely are).

So for your arguments to hold water, you would be required to believe that I was

1. Around at end of day before the lynch
2. Am Mafia
3. Intentionally threw a vote on teammate sprityo as my first post
4. Chose not to remove said vote at any time despite being able to
5. Likely a teammate of the other vote getter

Given the leaps of logic required to reach this conclusion as a genuine case I choose to believe that you didn't put any real thought into the hypothesis you were proposing lest you would have realised that it was highly improbable. This is most likely because of having an emotional reaction to my gesticulating about the flip ... probably because you were upset about said flip and feeling exposed as a result of having softly attempted to prevent the lynch of the deceased mafioso.

tl;dr u bad now faint

Fredwood is still bad obviously. He scum slipped.

Damn Epignosis your signature is annoying on mobile buddy.

Fredwood wrote: ↑Tue Jul 04, 2017 1:57 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jul 04, 2017 12:53 am Fredwood is still bad obviously. He scum slipped.
And you still flinched like a red headed stepchild.

Nice revisionist history though.

What dost thou mean Mr. WOOD?

I can't believe you guys lynched Fredwood. He was so obviously town.

Neverwhere wrote: ↑Tue Jul 04, 2017 6:55 pm Gman is a tough one. He's been the most helpful and other members aren't mentioning him as much.

Reading back over sprityos posts, the two people that stand out to me in that are Mac and Dfaraday. I have a bit of scum read on Mac. Dfaraday I wasn't sure, but there were a few posts where sprit seemed kind of defensive / asked a few times why he was on the chopping block without saying much more.

I'm torn between them but I really need to vote before bed.

If you say I am bad and don't give a reason, I cannot defend myself.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 04, 2017 8:26 pm Wilgy is my strongest civ read at this point.

How?

At this juncture, everyone sounds insincere to me. So I can't really pick who to pick on.

I supposed when in doubt I should just assume Wilgy is bad.

Okay okay. I'm sorry guys. I'll solve the game now. Hang on a sec.

Fredwood wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2017 10:21 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2017 10:16 pm A Dom flip does 2 very important things for us.
1. On flip, If civ, this validates that mafia may be amongst the ones preaching to purge low posters. On flip, if mafia, we can assume mafai aren't wanting to hit low posters.
2. We kill a wallflower, and won't have to deal with it later.

Assuming we gain no info from a wallflower purge is shallow.
So you would rather vote him over Spirit? Are you scum leaning spirit as well?

This is the post that should have made it obvious that Fredwood was town in hindsight. Iirc sprityo hates being called spirit and a teammate would have been more than likely corrected before they went off calling sprityo spirit in the thread.

My bad Freddy.

Okay step 1 in solving the game.

DrWilgy - Tell me why you can't be Mafia.
Neverwhere - Likewise.

Everybody else mill around and act busy.

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Jul 02, 2017 10:25 pm Morons.

Let's lynch, in no particular order: Fredwood, DFaraday, and G-Man. Two out of three of them are the baddies.

Interesting hypothesis. G-Man and DFaraday are playing some handy games if bad. Can you summarise your baddie reads on them?

Oh nutella is dead. That's useful. Update the dead post!

What if Dyslexicon is Mewtwo and is silent because he's hanging out in Cerulean Cave waiting for the Elite Four champion?

#tinfoiloftheday

Here's my gut reads. I haven't really been paying attention to the game much so these are quite surface level. If there are glaring reasons for them not to make sense please enlighten me.

Suspish

Wilgy
Neverwhere
Quin

Switzerland

Tink
Boo
Dyslexicon

Seems Legit

DFaraday
Luffy
G-Man

Neverwhere wrote: ↑Wed Jul 05, 2017 8:36 am Hmm, I don't really know how to defend myself.

I am civ 100% That's all I can say. I am busy, but I am not using that as an excuse. Im a single parent, so any game i play from here on in I won't be able to be as mega active as maybe I'd like, that's just how it is.

Like I said, I am newer to mafia and particularly being civ so this game is a learning curve for me. Scum hunting is hard. I am maybe not as vocal or don't have a system down yet for working all of it out, but I am genuinely trying to ask the right questions and work it out.

My suspicions haven't always panned out, but that doesn't make me mafia. Very few of the civs in this game have had much luck.

I totally hear you. I was just hoping you could point at something like "here's where I said something SUPER obvious townie" or "here's where I voted for sprityo" or ... something, anything where you can say ... would Mafia do this?

But that you can't ... is interesting anyway. That you answered me so earnestly despite voting for me last day phase is also something.

I am currently working a plotline in which Wilgy and Quin are the remaining Mafia players.

Reasons -

Wilgy started pushing for a Dom wagon when Sprityo was up for a lynch. I hypothesise here that he became a little bit enamoured with the idea of bussing, but softly tried to get a Dom wagon going for the cred so he would have a teammate that was active at least.

He also softly defends Dom here.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 6:09 pm
timmer wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 6:03 pm I voted for Dom, no great reason. Not very useful but I didn't want to miss the vote.
Remember when you were bad and randy voted? Wilgy remembers

Here are posts where he started to try to point at Dom.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2017 10:06 pm Everyone.

DOM IS STILL ALIVE

why are we voting for someone who has the potential to contribute as their vacation won't last forever? Explain it to me as if I'm 5.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2017 10:16 pm A Dom flip does 2 very important things for us.
1. On flip, If civ, this validates that mafia may be amongst the ones preaching to purge low posters. On flip, if mafia, we can assume mafai aren't wanting to hit low posters.
2. We kill a wallflower, and won't have to deal with it later.

Assuming we gain no info from a wallflower purge is shallow.

Remember that this is all on the day Sprityo was lynched. So it's also a potential Sprityo defense.

It's also an interesting contrast with this comment. Wilgy is just all over the place. That's Wilgy every time meta but here it seems a bit more contrived than normal.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2017 12:08 pm Anyone wanna tie Mac and Dom, and have them fight to the death as they aren't here lol? Also now that I have some hindsight, it kinda sucks that TSP died right as he entered the game. Probably should have saved him rgardless of the alignment. Oh well, wasn't here.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 04, 2017 8:26 pm Wilgy is my strongest civ read at this point.

In light of my newly formed synapse connections this post is straaaange.

Wilgy asks why and gets this.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 04, 2017 8:32 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 04, 2017 8:28 pm Lol, I was messing DDL.

My most recent team normally beat out chancies by forcing the swap with band landorus and beating the team aroud the chancy.

Linki - Why?
I just play doubles. No stall anymore. Ever.

The way you ask questions made me legit think you are actually trying to figure things out.

I mean it can be faked, but that's a lot of work to make it look genuine.

Does that explanation satisfy the criteria of a "strongest civ read in the game".

Hmmm I dunno. Wilgy is posting a lot, but I can't say I have ever tone read him overly town in this game.

Does/has anyone shared Luffy's Wilgy read?

I feel it is teammate incompatable coupling though. If one is bad the other is not.

It's really not a lot of work to a guy like Wilgy tbh. He hasn't even got two pages of posts. That explanation stands out as a lie to me from Luffy.

Okay so I icing my Wilgy/Quin plotline. Luffy looks bad. Voting history bad. A heavy focus on game mechanics in early posts (a preferred scumtell of mine) and now this comment about Wilgy. Hard buddying.

I'd like to see Luffy lynched. It's a productive move for mine.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jul 05, 2017 2:18 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 04, 2017 8:26 pm Wilgy is my strongest civ read at this point.
How?

I asked Luffy a question. He posted four posts later and avoided answering.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 05, 2017 5:39 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jul 05, 2017 2:15 am I can't believe you guys lynched Fredwood. He was so obviously town.
Trolling is so fun.

Can see motivation for Luffy buddying Wilgy. Wilgy has been pressuring Luffy a bit. Maybe DDL think Wilgy is Mewtwo.

G-Man reading your posts I think you are putting in good work. Please persevere I think you were making inroads. Look at the players who were pushing against your lines of thought.

Aight I'm out. Hopefully have given some life to the thread.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 05, 2017 9:32 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jul 05, 2017 8:24 am Okay step 1 in solving the game.

DrWilgy - Tell me why you can't be Mafia.
But Mac, I am mafia.

Funny haha but Macserious is here not Mactroll or Macplayful so don't fuck with me boy.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 05, 2017 9:45 amSorry dad, but did you actually expect me to tell you why I can't be mafia? While everyone reevaluating their reads of me won't yield anything, I'm excited, as it means there may be some perspective shift AND I will be able to get further insight from other players.

Yes, as I said to neverwhere I mean to just get you to point at the posts that make you town. Like you did kind of when you explained the sprityo thing above. What's wrong with the question?

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