The Syndicate

I feel like I'm finally experiencing a part of my own culture that I've never been a part of. Let THE GAME begin.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2017 5:41 am Yo.

Finally a full game.

How are we supposed to play this tho? From what I gather nothing we do at this stage will matter at all since we will probably be at different teams by endgame.

Plus is seems everyone is bad.

My assumption is that some big meta stuff goes on. There's going to be some times when some people want to be lynched. Where we start is not necessarily where we finish. Etc etc. Something to be remembered - I do not believe that any of us will end the game that we start with. At some point, the peer pressure to lynch or NK those people who haven't shifted roles yet will happen as they dwindle. So, at this point we might all be in the same boat as far as goals go - we want to get as much information out there as possible.

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2017 6:42 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2017 6:36 am Well I can get behind roleplaying and helping my current team. Besides you never know when it will be your last one.

And as you said there is probably global mechanics that are affected by we play now...

Still no idea on how to lynch people tho.
I don't have any idea either so I'm glad I'm not alone. Golden, it's early and I'm probably missing something big but how will we know who hasn't shifted positions? And why would those people be high on our list to lynch or night kill?

Because they haven't died yet (when you die you shift). And to the second... human nature. In a game where there's 100 roles to cycle through and only 21 people, someone staying alive in a single role will begin to stand out eventually.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2017 6:44 am I cant help but notice the roles are labeled First Stage. So I suppose there will be some shake up in factions later on?

Or there's actually 200 roles lol.

That's an interesting observation though. Given the teams are multiples I'm not sure how shaking them up would work exactly.

DFaraday wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2017 3:17 amSince I love the Beatles, I'll always vote yes on a Beatles themed poll question.

When you get older, losing your hair, many years from now...

I want to see that avatar. A dwarf losing all his hair...

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2017 6:54 am
Golden wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2017 6:45 am
juliets wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2017 6:42 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2017 6:36 am Well I can get behind roleplaying and helping my current team. Besides you never know when it will be your last one.

And as you said there is probably global mechanics that are affected by we play now...

Still no idea on how to lynch people tho.
I don't have any idea either so I'm glad I'm not alone. Golden, it's early and I'm probably missing something big but how will we know who hasn't shifted positions? And why would those people be high on our list to lynch or night kill?
Because they haven't died yet (when you die you shift). And to the second... human nature. In a game where there's 100 roles to cycle through and only 21 people, someone staying alive in a single role will begin to stand out eventually.
Oh yes of course, when you die you shift. Silly me, I shouldn't post so early. I agree someone who hasn't died will begin to stand out, I just don't know that it would make me more inclined to vote for them. Maybe as the game goes on and I understand the strategy better it will make more sense.

Let me put it another way then.

I think it benefits us to be clear up front that everyone should die at least once. It means no one will make a strategy based around their current team winning.

DDLs observation is good though. Some people may be on multiple teams at times, but it doesn't mean things will stay that way when 'phase two' happens. If phase two is "21 roles left", then there could be some faction realignment going on then anyway.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2017 9:54 am Speedchuck indeed goes just as it is written of Him, but woe to that man by whom Speedchuck is betrayed! It would have been good for that man if he had not been born.

Matthew 26:24

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2017 11:32 amAll Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for the playing of forum-based mafia-style games, that Speedchuck may be complete, thoroughly equipped for Chicka Chicka 1, 2, 3.

2 Timothy 3:16

No pattern there. Speedchuck is clearly possessed by demons.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2017 12:13 pm First of all, speedchuck and colonialbob are cracking me up!

Second of all, why not go by posting, or rather not posting, start with lower posters and move up. Or go the other direction? Since it doesn't really eliminate anyone from the game at this point I mean. Or we could take volunteers, perhaps there are those that would rather shift roles sooner rather than later. Or someone has mentioned they would like to keep their role a little bit before shifting to a new one. Do we want to let them? I'm a little torn. I have an ability, not a secret one and I can't decide how helpful I think it might be. Meh, I don't know what the best strategy is here.

I can't figure out how helpful my role is either, although one thing is for certain, it isn't going to be helpful every single day, it probably could take a couple of days to warm up at best. So I'm sort of torn between getting some time in it to actually get to use it (it is a fun looking role, but low impact I think?) or else go early and just get something that could be more consistent.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2017 6:03 pm Posessed on day 0 in the game or posessed IRL?

IRL probably.

Ricochet wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2017 4:18 pm wolves are Marmot, colonialbob, Sloonei and insertnamehere

Are you sure it's not a team of me, inh and sprityo?

I think there's a good chance that speedchuck is 13.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2017 8:01 pmWhy 13?

The first quote suggests its a role where the person who targets Speedchuck is affected negatively. 13 isn't the only role that does that, but it's particularly extreme, and I also note that it was the first thing on speed's radar to say.

The third quote is psalm 13.

Not sure about how the Timothy quote fits in, but two out of three aint bad.

Everyone is saying 'LC has a point' like they are shocked or something

Long Con, I've seen that colour on you somewhere before...

Nachomamma8 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 25, 2017 5:06 pm As a bit of an insight into the approach I will probably take to this game, don't think that it's actual mafia and thus won't actually be treating it as such - we are all either scum or scum in transition and so there's no real reason for what I can tell to pretend that we are either town or mafia - we are all just people trying to survive in this harsh harsh world (unless we get a baddie serial killer role!). As of the first day, my plan is to vote either a lurker or someone who rubs me wrong - for days after that I'll probably participate in alliances with people who seem fun/cool/allianceable!

We aren't all necessarily trying to survive in our current form, however, at least at this early stage. I think this game morphs over time. One thing to be wary of is teams growing to big. At the moment, my guess is things are balanced, but one team could easily gain an advantage if they manage to grow and keep members alive. I don't think it's as simple as treating everyone the same and assuming there aren't going to be people who it's more in your interests to knock off.

Nachomamma8 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 25, 2017 6:50 pmI'm trying to survive in my current form. I'd recommend to most people to try to survive as well - you'll *probably* have a better chance of winning!

Why does surviving in current form increase a persons chances of winning?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Aug 25, 2017 7:14 pm
Nachomamma8 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 25, 2017 6:54 pm Sloonei gets a penalty vote every time he makes a grammatically incorrect post or he gets a penalty vote if he messed up period?

If it's the former I think we might be able to bury him via reported infractions, and even if causing his death invited my own I think it might be excellent fun to play grammar Nazi for a little while.
I won't incur any penalty votes. My English degree finally has value.

What do you mean finally? You only graduated about 10 seconds ago.

I don't think it's possible for there to be a strong reason for this vote, other than if a person suggests they shouldn't stay in their current role for long.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2017 12:22 am
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2017 12:04 am Voting for Rico is a weak cop-out if I ever saw one. <snip> His "wolf" thing is little more than a joke
Aside from what other people have said, I'm curious as to what your voting criteria is. Rico is not on my team, and his posting contributions are not as interesting, fun to read, or engage-able as everyone elses. I'm playing this particular game to have fun, and so I'm voting for the person with the least fun in their posts.

I don't need to cop out, though. There won't be any voter analysis in this game. There is no scum.

No voter analysis?

The single biggest thing I'm watching for is a team building it's ranks and not voting for each other. We should all be scared of teams that get to five or six current people.

Voted inh. He was asking for it.

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2017 4:58 pmYes, I may be playing the tiniest violin in the world, but it's the only bit of music in the room.

Would fit in well in a David Lynch anything.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 12:53 am I do have an observation though:

Some are worried about "powerful" roles coming in and doing harm. So naturally people want to remove those roles.

INH just told everyone he has a role that isn't going to harm anybody in any way.

So why is he getting all these votes? If it's so he can have more fun, fine. Cool. But it's weird to me that people are ready to shove a benign role out the door on Day 1.

Are people wanting to discard a benign role and give INH the chance to have a crazy or dangerous role?

Personally, I like INH having a boring role. He can't screw anybody with it.

If you want to NK speedchuck, be my guest. I wonder what happens if you are already a 'lucky 7' when that happens.

But, frankly, I'm ok giving INH a more interesting role for him. There's a long way to go in this game, no point getting people bored early.

Thats interesting, good research bob, players on three teams appear to get passive limitations. That's actually quite good design.

Nevertheless, it gives me two reasons to lynch inh. One, because he wants it and wants to have more fun. Two, because he currently has too many ways to win.

You are good at spelling, inh.

I agree LC. Too many variables - blocks, protects, absent PMs. A lack of kills really can't be read into.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2017 4:56 pmThat is, is staying alive important? Is there a method to the role madness?

I'm beginning to toy with the idea that staying alive is strategically deficient, at least in the early running. You probably get more information by dying and getting new teammates.

Has anyone cracked the enigma machine?

Rico, I'm sure we can't crack it randomly. There must be some clue from THE GAME somewhere about.

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2017 5:34 pm So Marmot do you not like your role either? I noticed you voted for yourself.

Because he only does that when it makes sense

That's a good point speed. Info could work both ways. There is an extent to how you can control it, though.

I still haven't really got my head around what benefits me and what benefits others in this game. I think the goal should be to put yourself in the best position come final 21 roles. I just don't know how that is done.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2017 5:56 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2017 5:46 pm That's a good point speed. Info could work both ways. There is an extent to how you can control it, though.

I still haven't really got my head around what benefits me and what benefits others in this game. I think the goal should be to put yourself in the best position come final 21 roles. I just don't know how that is done.
Easy. Have role #13.

I think it would be very wise for everyone involved to kill this incarnation of you early.

But also, I think that come use of "the button".... there's no guarantees you'll be the one sitting in role 13 afterwards. Just a hunch. I don't think anyone should be planning on still being in their current role at the end of the game even if that role survives.

Yes, wise for everyone but not for anyone. The prisoner's dilemma!

What is the ultimate vote? Is it the last one or the one that puts you one ahead?

I missed out because I was out last night and when it's only 24 hours and you have one night out your chances are over, basically. I can't do it at work.

LC, I'll consider voting me if you say what your role is and why you don't like it.

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2017 12:02 am
Golden wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2017 11:48 pm LC, I'll consider voting me if you say what your role is and why you don't like it.
Is that allowed? I just wanna be sure. Speedchuck did Bible hints.

INH outed himself.

Anyway, whats the G gonna do that you aren't already asking for?

No, literally can't. I have no functional microphonics technology that I'd be permitted to use (everything you plug into anything has to be approved). This is Government.

Interesting. It could hide a nightkill, although the person who dies would just come right out with it. A role that feasibly would have been much more powerful in the endgame.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2017 5:41 am Seems like it will be a whole game of lynhin whoever asks louder for it huh

I'm not sure it will stay that way forever, but it does seem like a fine thing to do in the early running?

There is something to be said for voting out a team whenever it spawns, perhaps? I switched to DDL. It's hard when everyone is asking for it.

Sorry guys, I'm really not engaging much so far, but I am so flat out with stuff at the moment, it's hard. I'm sure I'll be more engaged in a week or so.

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