The Syndicate

Tequila really sucks 4/10 wouldn't recommend.

Second Hey! Lets get this lynch train started.

I think we should eye people who are to heavy on the role play, it could be used to avoid scumhunting/be left alive out of amusement. However, that shouldn't be the only reason to lynch someone.

Hm I don't regret making that post early honestly waiting In an attempt to catch someone would mean I put to much thought into it and like I said it isn't really a good tried and true reason to lynch someone.

I find quins comment interesting but not suspicious, and I am 100% against voting no lynch, now i wouldn't say if you support a no lynch your a mafia member, but I'd be very wary of anyone who pushes a no lynch, especially syndicate oldies since it isn't really a part of your culture.

Linki: I hate dogs, my gameplay is more like a cats :P
Buuuut if you force me to pick I'd say I'd be like a mutt or something idk dogs are gross

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2017 3:34 pm I don't know some of you very well yet so I want to ask a question. Please respond without complaint:

What breed of dog would you most liken your gameplay to?

Actually scratch that I'd be one of those little yuppie dogs that follow people around biting at their heels and making way to much noise.

I disagree that it makes LC look good it's a ping. I'm also wary of MP, but that's mainly a gut thing.

Also I'm voting for [mention]DrWilgy[/mention] come out and talk.

Why didn't you mention me LC, don't you love me anymore? I THOUGHT WE HAD SOMETHING SPECIAL!

Also why do you say Speed's post is scummy when you make a super big post as well? Or was it more to do wiht the fact it was a big post that said very little?

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2017 11:19 pm I hadn’t mentioned it yesterday because 1) I wasn’t around (specifically, game night with Daisy, DF, NT, and SIWF — and I won’t be a major force this game despite really wanting to because my dissertation proposal is Friday and I have company coming Thursday)

"won't be a major force in the game" Makes 12 posts in a row.

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2017 11:30 pm
sig wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2017 8:43 pm I disagree that it makes LC look good it's a ping. I'm also wary of MP, but that's mainly a gut thing.
Aren’t you always wary of me?

Seriously though, if you have something I can address, just let me know. Otherwise I’m just going to do my thing over here and hopefully you can detect my town spark.

This is very true, I think it comes from WHEN YOU KILLED ME AS MAFIA AND WE WERE IN A CHAT Or maybe not.

Either way from a game perspective you seem townie, but from a gut read you're pingy.

Otherwise I don't have much else to add, LC seems to be putting in some reads, I don't see why he thinks DDL is mafia though. I do see what he's saying about speed, but at the same time there isn't much content to discuss and he was contributing so I'd like LC to elaborate on his Speed read a bit. So I'm fairy neutral on everyone at the moment and would like to see more players post.

I know it sounds silly, but you seem to townie at the moment. Kind of like how you acted in Scrimmage mafia.

So I'm of two mind with Speed, one his post that LC pointed out was a fillerish post, however he posted it very early and was stating his view on no lynches so it was useful insight. So it could have just been a mafia member posting to look involved, but it felt like he was genuine in trying to state his view. In fact after thinking it over this makes me more suspicious of LC, I feel like he could be fishing for potential bandwagons. However, it usually takes me a few phases to get a good read on LC. Maybe by night 2 or 3 I'll have a better feeling.

Right now I'd rather lynch a player who isn't contributing then someone who is, unless we have a strong reason to suspect they're mafia, and I'm not seeing anything very obvious yet.

Also and I should've brought this up sooner, but If we have a cop and they get a red check I suggest they role claim immediately, with only 3 mafia members sacrificing the cop to get a mafia member is worth it, also other civs should take advantage of role claiming if they have useful information that will catch mafia members, AND I CAN'T STRESS THIS ENOUGH AS A CIV DONT FAKE CLAIM COP!!!!!!!!!!

[mention]Long Con[/mention] What do you think of me? And can you go a bit more in-depth on your Scum reading for Speedchuck?

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 12:18 am
Linki with sig, thanks for responding. Care to elaborate why you are against fake claims?

False claims only mess things up for town, if you have someone fake claim cop then most likely the real cop will claim resulting in both the real cop and the fake cop being killed/lynched. I find it to be very rare for a mafia member to fake claim cop so it really is a no win situation.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 6:43 am
sig wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 12:10 am I know it sounds silly, but you seem to townie at the moment. Kind of like how you acted in Scrimmage mafia.

So I'm of two mind with Speed, one his post that LC pointed out was a fillerish post, however he posted it very early and was stating his view on no lynches so it was useful insight. So it could have just been a mafia member posting to look involved, but it felt like he was genuine in trying to state his view. In fact after thinking it over this makes me more suspicious of LC, I feel like he could be fishing for potential bandwagons. However, it usually takes me a few phases to get a good read on LC. Maybe by night 2 or 3 I'll have a better feeling.

Right now I'd rather lynch a player who isn't contributing then someone who is, unless we have a strong reason to suspect they're mafia, and I'm not seeing anything very obvious yet.

Also and I should've brought this up sooner, but If we have a cop and they get a red check I suggest they role claim immediately, with only 3 mafia members sacrificing the cop to get a mafia member is worth it, also other civs should take advantage of role claiming if they have useful information that will catch mafia members, AND I CAN'T STRESS THIS ENOUGH AS A CIV DONT FAKE CLAIM COP!!!!!!!!!!

@Long Con What do you think of me? And can you go a bit more in-depth on your Scum reading for Speedchuck?
I won't say I necessarily agree or disagree with it but I certainly don't like you asking the cop to claim.

I see nothing wrong with the cop claiming when they've got a red check. Why wouldn't they claim? I'd also like to add in if the watcher targets a player who ends up targeting someone who dies they should also claim it. We might have lost a powerful civ role, but one civ is worth one mafia member no matter what power the civ has.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 8:58 am
sig wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2017 10:49 pm Why didn't you mention me LC, don't you love me anymore? I THOUGHT WE HAD SOMETHING SPECIAL!

Right, I missed the relevant content in the middle of this post:

sig wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2017 3:38 pm Hm I don't regret making that post early honestly waiting In an attempt to catch someone would mean I put to much thought into it and like I said it isn't really a good tried and true reason to lynch someone.

I find quins comment interesting but not suspicious, and I am 100% against voting no lynch, now i wouldn't say if you support a no lynch your a mafia member, but I'd be very wary of anyone who pushes a no lynch, especially syndicate oldies since it isn't really a part of your culture.

Linki: I hate dogs, my gameplay is more like a cats :P
Buuuut if you force me to pick I'd say I'd be like a mutt or something idk dogs are gross
Must have skimmed over it in my search for posts to respond/react to, related to my No Lynch thing. Really disappointed that you used "your" and not "you're", but happy that you didn't say "weary" like so many do. Your response, to me as a Syndicate oldie, seems like a nice, light way to seed some suspicion out there, as a baddie. It also rides the proverbial fence - "now i wouldn't say if you support a no lynch your a mafia member, but...". Two strikes earns you a Scumdar10 rating of: 4.1.

Also why do you say Speed's post is scummy when you make a super big post as well? Or was it more to do with the fact it was a big post that said very little?
Baddie DDL said it well. Mine were response/analysis/interaction, his was a mechanically explanatory chunk. Looking back at that sentence, I used "were" for my post because it's really a bunch of smaller posts in one. Each quotation and response could have had its own post, a la MP07, but I prefer to keep it tight. All in all, when comparing our two posts, the similarities end completely at the number of lines the text takes up. Do you read every post that shallowly? Do you even believe your own post, or are you just mimicking what you think the desire for helpful content looks like?

Frankly, I don't even like the last sentence, it's like a passive little accusation of Speedchuck hidden in a "fact-based" question. ARRRR, ye be scum by my good eye! Scumdar rating: 8.3.

After so many classes my brain turns off.

Also and this isn't just a NO U, but I'm reading LC as a mid range scum. He's spreading out a lot of potential bandwagons, right now he has DDL, Speed, and myself all lined up to lynch or vote for.

linki: If we fail to find someone though it's always better to go for an inactive. However, I'm getting a pretty good idea of who I'll be voting for so it shouldn't be necessary to vote for an inactive.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 1:52 pm 3 minutes later:

Nah, DDL's good. I'm going to vote to make Sig our first wagon of the day.

Why provide some reasoning for your vote.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 2:30 pm
sig wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 11:23 am I see nothing wrong with the cop claiming when they've got a red check. Why wouldn't they claim? I'd also like to add in if the watcher targets a player who ends up targeting someone who dies they should also claim it. We might have lost a powerful civ role, but one civ is worth one mafia member no matter what power the civ has.
One cop is more valuable than just "one civ".

Either way, I don't want to argue this. I'm more interested in the fact you are trying to get the cop to clim early rather than later. Mafia's #1 priority should be to find the cop, assuming there is one, so this is line with what mafia would want.

You say you don't want to argue about this, yet you're lynching me based on something you don't want to discuss, so you're basically closing off the avenue of discussion which could stop you from voting for me.

I'm arguing that a cop isn't anymore valuable then any civ IF they don't claim when they get a red check. I'm not saying nor did I ever say that the cop should claim day 1, they should only claim if they get a red check on a player. Since it's worth it to loose a cop and have a mafia player lynched, then say have the cop get night killed before clearing/outing anyone, OR even worse get lynched after getting a red check, but failing to say he had a red check. This makes the cop as useless as any regular vanilla civ.

Your vote makes no sense since I quite literally told the cop to only claim if they have a known mafia member, something no mafia member would say since it makes them more likely to get outed. In fact I'd argue mafia members would encourage the cop to never claim which would allow them to not worry about being outed so if anything you look worse for trying to lynch the player giving rational advise to the cop, and attempting to stop them from claiming.

So either you're not paying close attention to my post or you're a mafia member trying to get the cop/watcher to never claim. Assuming we even have those roles.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 2:27 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 11:15 am
sig wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 12:10 am Right now I'd rather lynch a player who isn't contributing then someone who is, unless we have a strong reason to suspect they're mafia, and I'm not seeing anything very obvious yet.

Also and I should've brought this up sooner, but If we have a cop and they get a red check I suggest they role claim immediately, with only 3 mafia members sacrificing the cop to get a mafia member is worth it, also other civs should take advantage of role claiming if they have useful information that will catch mafia members, AND I CAN'T STRESS THIS ENOUGH AS A CIV DONT FAKE CLAIM COP!!!!!!!!!!
Hello this is cop.

We have a three day D1. I don't like you pushing toward a non-contributer with such a hefty timeframe. Look at the reads in the thread. We have plenty of time to find a scummy swabbie today.
Why the hell did you just claim?

So you basically agree with me then, buuuuut you're lynching me.

I made my case of 1 not fake claiming and 2. only claiming if you have a red check to be very clear. However, this is obviously speed just messing around and poking me.

Also my original sites were super heavy on role claiming, games that allow claiming are my bread and butter. This is quite literally the best strategy for a watcher/cop/info role to use if claiming is allowed. Otherwise you end up sitting on a red check for to long and the other players either miss it or the mafia can manipulate your posts after death, I've done it successfully countless times.

linki: LC you're doing to me what you always do as scum making small things that have no real weight into big issues.

My "side step" had to do with you commenting that I mixed up "your" and "You're" how is that in anyway a side step when it doesn't refer to something that has any value? Just like your grammar nazism had nothing to do with the game?
And you're suspicious for putting out bait on multiple players yes, I view it as you waiting to see which one garners more attention and then using that to bandwagon onto someone.

linki 2: It is a strange reaction what do you make of it Quin?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:03 pm Oh man I almost forgot that claiming isn't usually allowed here. Sig's diatribe about it makes more sense in that context.

Yes and we've had a few games here with claiming where people fake claimed cop *cough Wilgy cough*

Which resulted in a huge mess and even more games on other sites where people fake claim cop, forcing the real cop to be lynched/Night killed then wasting a phase lynching the person who originally claimed cop, this is something the mafia loves since it's two civs one with a power role dead and at least two phases wasted. I think with role claiming games it's vital to have at the very least a blue print idea for how power roles should act. Now they don't need to act that way or claim nobody is forcing them to, but I believe what I said is the best way for town to win with role claiming allowed.

Also with no godfather role it's impossible for the cop reads to be wrong so it's even more important that they're upfront.

I'd also say the watcher,, jail keeper, and tracker should follow the same policy when it comes to claiming, but be slightly more careful since it isn't as clear.

linki: Good point I still don't trust LC though.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:11 pm
sig wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:00 pmlinki: LC you're doing to me what you always do as scum making small things that have no real weight into big issues.
That's #fakenews that I "always do that as scum".

My "side step" had to do with you commenting that I mixed up "your" and "You're" how is that in anyway a side step when it doesn't refer to something that has any value? Just like your grammar nazism had nothing to do with the game?
HERE IS MY POST
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 8:58 am
sig wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2017 10:49 pm Why didn't you mention me LC, don't you love me anymore? I THOUGHT WE HAD SOMETHING SPECIAL!

Right, I missed the relevant content in the middle of this post:

sig wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2017 3:38 pm Hm I don't regret making that post early honestly waiting In an attempt to catch someone would mean I put to much thought into it and like I said it isn't really a good tried and true reason to lynch someone.

I find quins comment interesting but not suspicious, and I am 100% against voting no lynch, now i wouldn't say if you support a no lynch your a mafia member, but I'd be very wary of anyone who pushes a no lynch, especially syndicate oldies since it isn't really a part of your culture.

Linki: I hate dogs, my gameplay is more like a cats :P
Buuuut if you force me to pick I'd say I'd be like a mutt or something idk dogs are gross
Must have skimmed over it in my search for posts to respond/react to, related to my No Lynch thing. Really disappointed that you used "your" and not "you're", but happy that you didn't say "weary" like so many do. Your response, to me as a Syndicate oldie, seems like a nice, light way to seed some suspicion out there, as a baddie. It also rides the proverbial fence - "now i wouldn't say if you support a no lynch your a mafia member, but...". Two strikes earns you a Scumdar10 rating of: 4.1.

Also why do you say Speed's post is scummy when you make a super big post as well? Or was it more to do with the fact it was a big post that said very little?
Baddie DDL said it well. Mine were response/analysis/interaction, his was a mechanically explanatory chunk. Looking back at that sentence, I used "were" for my post because it's really a bunch of smaller posts in one. Each quotation and response could have had its own post, a la MP07, but I prefer to keep it tight. All in all, when comparing our two posts, the similarities end completely at the number of lines the text takes up. Do you read every post that shallowly? Do you even believe your own post, or are you just mimicking what you think the desire for helpful content looks like?

Frankly, I don't even like the last sentence, it's like a passive little accusation of Speedchuck hidden in a "fact-based" question. ARRRR, ye be scum by my good eye! Scumdar rating: 8.3.
THE PART YOU ARE ADDRESSING IS IN BLUE, AND THE PARTS THAT CONTAIN ACTUAL ACCUSATIONS OR SUSPICIONS ARE IN RED. Would you care to explain how that happened?

And you're suspicious for putting out bait on multiple players yes, I view it as you waiting to see which one garners more attention and then using that to bandwagon onto someone.
That's funny, I thought I was waiting for people to come and bandwagon on DDL. I didn't know that you can use predictions about someone's future behaviour to find them suspicious. That's some next-level shit!

Your level of sarcasm is very high, which further leads me to believe you're mafia and are angry I caught you using such a meta seemingly nonsensical way.

What you say in red is grandstanding disguised as questions you say my posts are shallow and ask if I believe them, then say my question isn't a question there isn't a way to refute that except by saying no, my posts aren't shallow and yes I was honestly asking the question. Am I slightly riding a fence with my views on no lynch? Maybe but it isn't a 100 percent indicator of someones alignment to say it is would be silly, especially considering the number of games I've played with Glorfindel who always votes no lynch day 1 as a civ. Some people just do that and there are some good civ reasoning behind voting no lynch. However, at the end of the day very few civs actually believe this and it is a tool mainly used by mafia members to get less done. I see nothing out of the ordinary or wrong with any of my statements. I believe you're making mountains out of mole hills and attempting to find mafia tendencies where none exist.

linki: No it really doesn't though. Since you have to assume the real cop knows it's fake claiming, the person fake claiming isn't trying to mislead the thread, and that the person fake claiming is right and should be trusted. The only thing fake claiming does is allow for the mafia to hijack the thread and distract from scumhunting.

Though this is just my opinion I usually take a very hard line stance on claiming at all and even more so on fake claiming. The only time I've ever seen fake claiming work is when the mafia fake claims to get the real cop lynched instead of them, which fun fact I've done twice.

[mention]SpankGangsta[/mention] come out and post please.

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:31 pm Even though role claiming is typically not allowed, this time it's a tool by design. I suggest tabling the anti-role claiming prejudice mindset for a bit.

Yes which I've done, which is the whole reason I laid out when I thought the cop should claim. However, the anti-fake-role claiming prejudice is alive and well.

Linki: Y'all are posting way to much

Yes to whoever asked this is common of Wilgy regardless of his alignment.

I want to lynch LC he's smoke screening civ ( I totally stole this and have no shame about it). His posts are gut reading very bad to me and his snarky behavior seems very scummy. I'll at some point take a quick gander to other games and see what I see, but from what I remember this is classic LC mafia.

Kyle's post seems to be very careful, but there's also a fair amount of content and it's still early in the game to have concrete reads so I like that

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 5:11 pm
sig wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 5:05 pmKyle's post seems to be very careful, but there's also a fair amount of content and it's still early in the game to have concrete reads so I like that
i also want to point out, this is my first real mafia game in 3-4 years so i am still kind of in the awkwardly climbing back onto the horse stage

Yes to whoever asked this is common of Wilgy regardless of his alignment.
so he just.... does this? the whole game? every game?

Most games he does something for a phase or so then starts posting.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 5:31 pm
sig wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:00 pm So you basically agree with me then, buuuuut you're lynching me.

I made my case of 1 not fake claiming and 2. only claiming if you have a red check to be very clear. However, this is obviously speed just messing around and poking me.

Also my original sites were super heavy on role claiming, games that allow claiming are my bread and butter. This is quite literally the best strategy for a watcher/cop/info role to use if claiming is allowed. Otherwise you end up sitting on a red check for to long and the other players either miss it or the mafia can manipulate your posts after death, I've done it successfully countless times.
Whether the cop claiming is a good thing or not is irrelevant to my read on you.

What forms my read on you is the fact you are fishing for the cop's role. I think that is suspicious.

I'm not fishing for the cop role though, i'm specifically saying they shouldn't come out and nobody should fake claim them until they have actionable intelligence that'll for sure net a baddie. This is the opposite of trying to fish for their role this is telling them what to do in case of a red check. Something no mafia member would do since it horrible exposes them if/when there's a red check. ALSO at best assuming we lynch a civ tonight it gets us to 12 players three of whom are mafia that means 9/3 So they've got over a 10% chance of killing the cop and every phase another player is lynched and players are night killed the chance that the cop gets killed increases, so with a game this small that allows role claiming the cop should and I imagine will claim as soon as they get a red check. This isn't and never was role fishing this is common sense and strategy.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 5:42 pm Also i'm getting deja vu on the Sig thing. From other times where he did things that looked silly but he was just being himself.

Why are you back peddling.

I don't want to lynch Kyle I love Kyle...............minus his dog question since they're evil.

If we're going to lynch someone based on weak reasoning we should lynch either LC or someone who hasn't posted at all.

Switched to NewTraditionalist until they post.

I didn't read Kyle's post as that odd or pingy.

I figured MP was messing/flirting with you over that vote Daisy, I'm surprised you're taking it that way.

I've got nothing else to add besides the fact that I think either DDL or LC is bad, but not both. The other baddies are either semi active or inactive I believe. I must be off for the time, but I'll be back tomorrow.

Can't talk in class will explain vote later

Well shit, I was hoping I'd be NK so i wouldn't need to catch up in this mess of a thread.

Before I even go back and read I plan to vote for whoever started and allowed for the CF onto Wilgy or one of the two original tied voters, Quin or MP. I should be catching up tonight and early tomorrow, but I've got a fair amount of junk to do before I go to bed so it'll be sporadic.

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 11:13 pm
sig wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 10:23 pm Switched to NewTraditionalist until they post.

I didn't read Kyle's post as that odd or pingy.

I figured MP was messing/flirting with you over that vote Daisy, I'm surprised you're taking it that way.

I've got nothing else to add besides the fact that I think either DDL or LC is bad, but not both. The other baddies are either semi active or inactive I believe. I must be off for the time, but I'll be back tomorrow.
I don't understand how you can form an assumption like this on Day 1. Does this mean you're currently town-reading all the other active players?

It's a general idea/gut read and notice I did name two players who could be mafia who are active. Plus i'd say from a statistical point of view there's a good chance I'm right.

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 2:11 pm People I'd be willing to lynch today in order:

Kyle - I appreciate the excuse of being rusty (me too dude, apart from Seinfeld I played here, and the few days I was alive in Street Fighter mafia, I haven't played in aaaages). Still, something strikes me as insincere. Something strikes me as being mafia and trying to hard to be townie. Something strikes me as playing it too safe and trying to appear purposely unknowledgeable. I stand by it. Even yesterdays "rainbow list and reads" were like a mafia coverup trying to keep everyone somewhat happy because you're taking initiative and making an effort so to keep them at bay. Didn't like it.

MovingPicture - I want to say your dissertation is reason of your absence. But you have people suspecting you. Townie you would be going bonkers at this point. You haven't made a suspect list. Your contributions day 1 were out there, but timid. Every time someone answered a query, you said you were happy with that explanation. Where are you? Why aren't you probing harder? Why are you encouraging a Day 1 no-poster lynch?

Quin - wishy washy. Had him down as semi-town. Participation has dwindled down quite noticeably and I wonder if that's in part due to fear of being eliminated since some heat was thrown his way, and wanting to show up at the eleventh hour to cast a vote. Seems too obvious, so I don't like it. Prove me wrong.

This strikes me as more townie MP. Whenever I've played with him and he's scum he is very suptown, I find it more likely to believe he's busy. This was also a main reason behind my vote.

sig wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:00 pm Can't talk in class will explain vote later

Okay so, this was partly my bad. I thought the poll was about to close, saw a tie, and made a snap decision. At this point I still believed MP was more civvie then Quin and a few of Quin's posts had pinged me. As I continue to catch up I'll see how my opinion changes, but I was confident in my vote at that time and believed Quin was more likely to be bad then MP.

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:34 pm Perhaps I'm finding it hard to be objective on Kyle because I'm just so happy to have him back around and really don't want to lynch the guy on D1 of his first game back when he's been dying to play a game. I should throw that sentiment out to the window, but I can't seem to be able to.

OOO I don't like this post at all.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:48 pm Ok Im still here.

I dont like this day end.

I dont like how quin and mp are not voting each oter.

Cfd on wilgy guys?

I want to lynch DDL, for this alone. There is no good reason to CFD onto Wilgy.

At this point I believe the votes were split between Quin, MP, and DDL this is the second CFD I sense shenanigans.

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:50 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:49 pm
MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:46 pm dunya, you're here. Talk to me. Pick just one person who should go and why, hurry.

Explain your thoughts now. This is nonsense.

How is this not standard Wilgy? Explain to me what was off?

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:54 pmnvm i voted wilgy

Why?

Also no NK either means the mafia team is totally inept and inactive, which I find hard to believe OR they were hit by the jail keeper/2 shot role blocker. If this is the case I highly encourage them to claim, before the end of this phase preferably in the last 12 hours so we can still have discussions and gather reads.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:28 pm It seems the towniest thing to do is not be here for the latter half of the day. Thanks GTH reads.

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:38 pm
- LC and sig are the most consensus townread players. Based on what I'm familiar with at the start of the game, the LC consensus isn't surprising, but the sig one is. Note to self: need to look into this and see what people have said about sig itt.

I still think LC could be mafia

buuuut I'm leaning away from that right now.

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:57 pm Wilgy's posting gambit is annoying but not suspicious < Was pinged once by dunya

Moved to dunya.

I don't like this, I'm glad he switched off of Wilgy since it was a stupid lynch, but there was no reason to vote for him in the first place. I also don't like how Quin and MP never voted for each other.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:26 pm Wow that sucks.

Sorry Wilgy.

This is what happened, guys: I wasn't feeling very sure on either the Quin or the MP lynch. And don't even get me staretd on NT because I despise lynches on inactives.

So I saw someone mentioned they wanted Wilgy to be punished for his posting. I didn't have an opinion on him at all. But having seen CFDs work in the past, I thought "why not?" and tried to push one on him. Maybe it could reveal us something. I dunno.

It didn't work though.

Though it might have revealed something, from what I'm seeing (I'm not fully caught up)

I really dislike this post, first you apologize then after you try to give some reasoning, I also find it pingy for why you explain your CFD. It doesn't add up why you would switch to Wilgy.

So I don't like that MP started the CFD on DDL, but as I said I can see his reasoning. I really don't like anyone who voted for Wigly I definitely feel like this was an attempt to save a teammate and I'm inclined to believe it was DDL. I'll do some ISOs and put more thought into this later, but as it stands I think DDL and Quin could be teammates and there third member was inactive.

Speed said he didn't like CFDs so I'm curious why he was the first voter on Wilgy's wagon. [mention]speedchuck[/mention] could you explain this or quote your explanation?

I still suspect LC and I'm finding Daisy's accusations of MP to be pingy.

I'm torn on MP, I still read him as a civ, but I hate CFDs in general and find it odd he wouldn't vote for Quin.

Minus the inactive players, if I didn't mention them above then I've either got no good read on them or a slight civ read.

Voting ddl I don't like his cfd explanation it seems disingenuous and i believe he was saved by the wilgy lynch.

Also in working a football game and then have a date so I'll be in and out all day

Nice job! I knew my original paranoia was right. :P

I think this clears quite a few players and I think this sets up tomorrow's kybxh very nicely. I'd think quin due to mp refusing to lynch vote him and vice versa, this also pretty much clears LC and daisy into

[mention]Spacedaisy[/mention] Do you think MP was so busy he didn't have time to submit the night kill?

If MP didn't submit the kill at all, I think its possible the other two team members are/were inactive. However, for now I'll most likely be voting for Quin. I always found it a bit odd neither voted for the other when they were tied. Especially since MP did a whole ISO of Quin yet somehow redirected the lynch away from him altogether. However, the other thing that's really bothering me is why didn't MP switch his vote off of DDL? He could've switched to Wilgy and yes it would've been wrong but he wouldn't have risked being lynched. I wouldn't put it outside of the realm of possibility for DDL and MP to be a team, but that would also require a large amount of risk on their part so I'll shelf that for a bit.

I'm a little lost on the third potential mafia member, perhaps speed or someone on the MP wagon, but I feel like with such a small mafia team they'd try to avoid voting for each other, which is why i think it is possible for one of the two inactive players to be mafia. However, I'd rather hold off on lynching them and go for Quin right now.

I have not been giving this game enough attention and for that I apologize, having said that I'll be doing Army junk from 6am to midnight tomorrow so I won't be posting at all. However, starting Saturday evening when I'm done with army I'll get back up with my activity. I'm going to read over thing very quickly and place a vote now.

Okay so either Me, DDL, or Kyle is bad in my opinion.

I know I'm not bad so that leaves DDL or Kyle.

In theory Dunya could've watched whoever killed LC, which could explain why she believes Kyle is bad, I'm tempted to vote there also I find it slightly comforting how she backed off of DDL. This would mean she either didn't watch him and wanted to make it clear if she died or that she did and he didn't do anything. This doesn't really change my mind on DDL, but it gives an important nugget of information.

Could Newtraditionalist have been mafia and one of the players voted to save him? I think this is a maybe, but unless we lynch and flip bad on one of us there isn't much evidence to back this claim up.

I still think Daisy is a civ, speed is a light civ read, and I've got no real read on either Jack or Bob. However, I find it odd Jack voted for himself seeing how close the vote was and how active he was.

I'm going to go for Kyle right now, I think Dunya's post about him, seeing how she was the watcher holds some weight. However I'll try to pop in during the day tomorrow and check in.

Well shit sorry for being inactive the last few days, I kinda forgot about a test I had on Monday so I had to cram for it.

Having said that I'd probably have had just gone after DDL and ignored the real mafia members.

Thank for the game though it was fun.

The Syndicate

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