The Syndicate

ARGH ME MATEYS

I AM IN CANCUN SUCKING ON A FLASK O' SPIRITS AND ROTGOT

(seriously at my family's place so I won't post more till tomorrow)

Argh, an eye patch is for practicality. I got both me eyes, but I keep me left adjusted to the dark, so's I can turn out the lights in a scuffle and fight the skallywaggers.

1 little, 2 little, 3 little MP posts
4 little, 5 little, 6 little MP posts

Actually, a no lynch gives town some time to get free info if there is an info role. Quick math:

No lynch:
D1: 10 players
D2: 9 Players
D3: 7 Players
D4: 5 Players
D5: 3 Players (LYLO if 1 scum)
D6: Scum overrun if we get here and game isn't over.

Lynch on D1:
D1: 10 Players
D2: 8 Players
D3: 6 Players
D4: 4 Players (MYLO if one scum)
D5: 2 Players Scum overrun if we get here and game isn't over.

So in each case, ignoring D1 on the no-lynch side, town gets the same number of days to try and lynch the scummers. No matter how many scum there are. For every scum, take off a day's worth o' time. See how it works? An' the No Lynch D1 gives townies more info on their allotted lynch days.

HOWEVER!

This only works perfect if'n we got no doctors, vigs, or scumblockers. So I'm more inclined to lynch a scallywag on the bright and early day.
Long Con, what say ye ta that?

Shiver me timbers if'n I ain't about to throw a vote on me swabbie Dunya, fer the brine'd do 'im good I reckon!

linki: I am a cat. I swat at people until they respond, and then run away.
I kid. I have no idea what my gameplay style is. I've been told it's analytical, with a lot of chewing over motive and vote placement.

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2017 3:52 pm And I don't know what any of you are talking about, because no lynch is objectively a good strategy.

For the reasons that I outlines, or for some other nebulous non-scientific reasons?

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2017 3:56 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2017 3:55 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2017 3:52 pm And I don't know what any of you are talking about, because no lynch is objectively a good strategy.
For the reasons that I outlines, or for some other nebulous non-scientific reasons?
100% nebulous non-scientific reasons.

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2017 4:28 pm I do what I want

Quin's meta in a nutshell

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2017 4:54 pm Because the only thing that happens is that you give mafia an extra night kill, and then you are back next day with no extra information and one less civ alive.

It may give the cop an extra investigation yes, but the cop shouldn't reveal right away anyway so day 2 usually doesn't have anything new, and the cop could die before they reveal so the risk may be not worth it.

+1 to this analysis.

You don't lose a whole lot by D1 no-lynch, since the extra night kill just puts you at Lylo instead of Mylo. But the trade-off doesn't net you anything either, so you might as well keep that extra number advantage in your wheelhouse for later.

Who knows, a doc might pull through and give us an entire extra day. That won't happen if we give mafia an extra kill.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2017 5:04 pm Speedchuck, are you overall for or against a day 1 "no lynch"? You've outlined the dangers and benefits of both.

I think that even if "no lynch" is the right choice it shouldn't be chosen until the end of the day phase

Against.

And I agree.

Well, that's a vote spread.

Catching up so I can put my vote somewhere valid.

sig wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 12:10 am Right now I'd rather lynch a player who isn't contributing then someone who is, unless we have a strong reason to suspect they're mafia, and I'm not seeing anything very obvious yet.

Also and I should've brought this up sooner, but If we have a cop and they get a red check I suggest they role claim immediately, with only 3 mafia members sacrificing the cop to get a mafia member is worth it, also other civs should take advantage of role claiming if they have useful information that will catch mafia members, AND I CAN'T STRESS THIS ENOUGH AS A CIV DONT FAKE CLAIM COP!!!!!!!!!!

Hello this is cop.

We have a three day D1. I don't like you pushing toward a non-contributer with such a hefty timeframe. Look at the reads in the thread. We have plenty of time to find a scummy swabbie today.

MP's giving town reads out like candy on . . . oh hey, happy Halloween. Town on Wilgy and Sig? Really?

Is Kylemii an old player here (or elsewhere)? I know he's trying to find his footing, but some trends in mafia are ubiquitous. You're in here, Kyle. I'm expecting more.

LC actually feels less scummy than normal, but I think that's just because I like the scumdar10. It's a more interesting way of giving reads, makes stronger statements than rainbows or POE townreads. Gutsy, straightforward, hedging more toward committal. Townread for me (yes I get the irony here lol).
Linki: I look at motive, not results. Sure LC's lined up a bunch of different scumreads, but he's the only guy in the thread that's committing to scumreads. Committing is townie behavior, because unless you throw some teammates under the bus, people will get suspish of an aggressively, decisively WRONG player.
I doubt LC is scum.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 11:56 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2017 1:37 pmMe Crew (12)
Dragon D. Luffy

DrWilgy

dunya

Kylemii

Long Con

MovingPictures07

NewTraditionalist

Quin

sig

Spacedaisy

SpankGangsta

speedchuck

A respectable readlist, but for one exception.

Care to elaborate?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 12:59 pm What specifically do you want out of me?

Results in real-time.

I'm not giving you a scumread or anything, it's just that about 83% of your posts have been getting to know the Syndicate and it's lingo, or just asking questions.

I want to know where your mind is at. I want you to make some statements.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 1:18 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 1:11 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 12:59 pm What specifically do you want out of me?
Results in real-time.

I'm not giving you a scumread or anything, it's just that about 83% of your posts have been getting to know the Syndicate and it's lingo, or just asking questions.

I want to know where your mind is at. I want you to make some statements.
Okay well first of all, that % is wildly inaccurate, my dude. I asked like 2 questions about the forum and the rest was about reading people.

I ISO'd your posts, boi. I know what I said.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 1:14 pm I would like to hear more from these guys:
Epignosis 1

I think you just copied this from the player post counts. We don't really need to hear more from Epi.

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 1:37 pm speedchuck; explain your vote on me.

Voted early. Looking for this:

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 1:40 pm I like you Kyle, so it's gonna hurt me when I say I don't feel good about you this game. Catching up with the thread and will post some names and whys and who's soon enough.

I'll be hopping my vote over to . . . IDK, Sig? Kyle? DDL? I'ma look at DDL before I decide.

3 minutes later:

Nah, DDL's good. I'm going to vote to make Sig our first wagon of the day.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 3:35 pm I didn't take "Hello this is cop" as a real role claim. Looking forward to finding out the truth.

It wasn't. I was poking fun at the vehement NOBODY FAKECLAIM thing.

Probably should have put a j/k on there eh?

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 3:50 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 1:52 pm 3 minutes later:

Nah, DDL's good. I'm going to vote to make Sig our first wagon of the day.
Why is DDL good?

Check his ISO. He's been very straightforward, unafraid to say what he thinks. Each directed question pushes people in a specific way that puts pressure on them. I agree with his way of looking at things. From what little I've seen, DDL isn't someone I want lynched D1 this game.

He's not confirmed town or anything. I'm just not wanting to lynch him

linki: good question

linki'd again, but I'm going to go ahead and post.

Oh man I almost forgot that claiming isn't usually allowed here. Sig's diatribe about it makes more sense in that context.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:05 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:00 pmEach directed question pushes people in a specific way that puts pressure on them.
can you give some examples of this happening? I was noticing the exact opposite during my read but maybe you saw something i didnt?

He pressured MP about the lack of scumreads.
Pushed Dunya for questioning him.
Didn't give LC any slack for his D1 No Lynch bit.
Pushed Sig over his cop-claim bit.
Voted out in the thread to make a statement.

It's more of a tone-read to me, but I feel like DDL is going around and flicking everyone on the nose. MP is bad about not doing scumreads. LC was getting townreads from his gambit. Same for Sig and his asking the cop to claim.

The generally towniest or most dangerous players in the game are making things happen, and DDL is going around to bop them on the nose. Not a huge amount, but hey, it's D1. And I want to keep that around.

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:32 pm Long Con and sig, going at each other again. I'm sure there was another game I was part of (as a replacement) where this happened with Long Con and someone else, and it was two townies going at each other. sig comes off as more townie, but Long Con is basically reacting as townie Long Con did in that JJJ game.

Probably LC and Epi.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:39 pm alright. it's business time. 1 - 5, 5 being definitely good, 1 being definitely bad, and 3 being average.

DDL: 2.5
Most of his posts are about game mechanics, he notes to MP that he was lacking baddie reads even though he'd provided none himself, voted sig for asking the cop to play recklessly proactively... just generally ping-y. Like it's mostly gut feel and maybe it's just how he is regularly but there's a definite general pingy-ness there for me. I had him with a lower score before Speedchuck's point about nosebops, i can see how the same tactic could be used as a townie to stir the pot and open up discussion

Dr. Wilgy: ???
LIterally has only posted emoticons? is this normal for Wilgy?

Dunya: 3.5
My gut feel on her is good. Her posts read authentic to me. It's not much more than gut.

Long Con: 3.25
Very thorough and generally positive influence on the thread. He'd be higher but i believe he's very well capable of smoke-screening as a baddie.

MP: 3
he has a lot of posts because of the 1 quote per post thing he did. he's doing work and making shit happen but there's not enough there to sway me either way on him.

NewTraditionist: Null
Only post is about the day 0 vote. Please speak up.

Quin: 2.75
Uneasy but nothing concrete. they say a lot without saying much. throwing out "townie points" is.... i just don't trust that at all. i don't trust that metric

sig: 3.25
actually reads kind of civ to me??? i get where people are coming from with the copclaim suggestion thing but the thing is, he's right. it's mathematically the best choice in a vacuum. other variables exist as well if the cop can reliably wait a cycle and possibly catch a second badboy then like... that's a different matter.

Spacedaisy: 2.5
She's one of the 4 players with only 1 post but she's different in that i usually expect her to be more active than this. she's been around and posting in other places here. I wouldn't vote her over it because i don't think she'd use inactivity as a baddiestrat, but i guess what i'm saying is, hey spacedaisy, come plaaaaay with us. in this space we've made.

Spankgangsta: Null
he's newer, right? come plaaaaaayyyyyyyyy. with us. come out and plaaaaaaaaay

Speedchuck: 3.5
very blunt. I think good? i disagree with some/most of the stuff he says but his posts read as a townie who is trying hard

I see that my reads on Sig and DDL aren't concurrent with the rest of the thread so i'm going to review those two as well as LC

Are you suuuuuuure that scale isn't 2-4? Because these reads look very soft.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:52 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:50 pm Just to clarify my perspective: I'm not encouraging we do one thing or another. I'm just in support of fakeclaiming as an avenue we can take if enough people are on board with it.

Funny thing is, fakeclaims require good communication to be used in any beneficial way. Good communication. With words.

Whether a cop should claim or not depends on how much the game is predispositioned against the scum he's found, how many players/scum are left, how likely he is to die anyways if he doesn't claim, how likely he is to find another scum, etc.

Argh, captain Sloonbeard! I gots a question for ye, of public nature.

If we send our swabbies seaward, or drive a cutlass thru their pantaloons, er, or whatever we do to whittle down our number, will their role be publicly made available? Howsabout if we finds them dead, their souls drifting to Davy Jones' locker?

Do we get the flips, cap'n?

Fer the rest of you swabbies, the reason I ask is that open setups often have no flips. Closed setups often do, or just have them on the lynch.

This setup is in the middle. It's half-open.

Knowing this will absolutely affect what we should do with our roles.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 9:18 pm
MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 8:46 pm What specifically is respectable about it?
It's the first rainbow list we've had in this game.

It also had some good townreads on it. I was the one egregious error.

Quin, you're really going to stick to No Lynch?

I don't like that Quin has been voting no lynch this entire time, and then plans to vote a low-poster. It seems to be more about avoiding suspicion and commitment than trying to find scum.

I don't like that NewTraditionalist is the only one with two votes, for similar reasons.

I don't appreciate how the discussion turned too much toward theory, which is a way to generate content while not adding to the discussion. Dunya, especially, in post #384, made an entire extra argument while also pointing out the pointlessness of the discussion. This is either a way to continue derailing the thread while pretending to do the opposite, or a manifestation of 'last-word syndrome.' (I made up that term.) Given where the conversation ended up though, with Dunya's other actions in mind, I'd still lean town.

Readlist incoming.

speedchuck
Dragon D. Luffy
Long Con
dunya
sig
SpankGangsta
NewTraditionalist
Spacedaisy
MovingPictures07
Quin
Kylemii
DrWilgy

Though I must admit that the only reason wilgy is near the bottom is that posting style he uses. I hate it, he can hide behind it, and last time someone hid behind a posting style, it was Rico and Rico was scum. I called him out and we lynched him.

It doesn't amuse me.

Don't be offended if you're low on the list. I'm not particularly impressed with anybody. And tiers are about equal.

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 1:59 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 1:26 pm I don't appreciate how the discussion turned too much toward theory...
Says the guy who made a huge analysis about no lynch vs day 1 lynch.

Hypocrisy? I r not amused, speedchuck.

Hey, it's not a discussion if you just solve it with science.

But an amusing observation, nonetheless.

linki:

linki2: Hey now. Mafia between married folks/siblings/besties is difficult to deal with. Bias and such.
linki3: I agree with you on these.
linki4: Full editor has an option right next to text size

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 3:29 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 3:24 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 3:12 pm do we have enough people around right now for a tie to be informative?
Can you explain how it could be informative?
The regular ways?

Honestly ties are much less informative than other lynches IMO. I have no idea what you are talking about.

Who would you want to tie, though?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 3:33 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 3:29 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 3:24 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 3:12 pm do we have enough people around right now for a tie to be informative?
Can you explain how it could be informative?
The regular ways?
A day 1 washout gives us nothing as far as vote analysis goes regardless of whether the lynch goes to a good or bad. Ties or near ties gives us something to work with.

I have no idea what you do with vote analysis, but it clearly isn't what I do with vote analysis.

Which is good. It means we get a different perspective from you. But my method/every method I've seen doesn't really like ties much. Close shots, sure, but not ties.

I'd like the people on NT (MP07, sig) to move somewhere more productive. Allow NT to be replaced or something. It says nothing about NT that they've been quiet, and everything about you if you can't find a legitimate lynch in this game.

Also I'm afraid Quin will join you and waste the day's scumhunting.

No, it's 1:15 left. According to your own 2 hours post above, DDL

sig wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:00 pm Can't talk in class will explain vote later

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:05 pm I toooooold you ties can be informational

It's not a tie so THERE!

MP and Quin not W/W btw.

I think it's obvious, but needs to be said.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:14 pm What is W/W? Is there a glossary somewhere I can use

Is it wolf/wolf?

Yep!

I'll sit out any Chinese fire drills thanks.

linkilinkilinkiliniki

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:24 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:20 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:14 pm What is W/W? Is there a glossary somewhere I can use

Is it wolf/wolf?
Yep!

I'll sit out any Chinese fire drills thanks.

linkilinkilinkiliniki
Why would you say that it's obvious then?

If Quin and MP are both bad, MP wouldn't be trashing Quin like this. Distancing is fine, but MP was trying to substantiate a read on Quin. Substance doesn't go away.

I picture it like two allied planes that are falling from the sky and shooting the other so they won't be first to hit the ground. At least give the other guy a chance, right?

Does that only make sense to me? Don't throw your buddy under the bus when you're both directly in the fire.

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:22 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:20 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:14 pm What is W/W? Is there a glossary somewhere I can use

Is it wolf/wolf?
Yep!

I'll sit out any Chinese fire drills thanks.

linkilinkilinkiliniki
Why? Do you not think DDL is bad? What are your reads? Whom should I investigate?

I've previously read DDL as good for his demeanor and metaread. I think he's town. Posted my reads recently, you're low, quin low, kyle low, and now I'm feeling that LC isn't as active as I'd like.

But even so, I don't like CFDs in general.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:28 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:27 pm
MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:23 pm Quin, what are your reads?
LC, speedchuck and DDL are my civ reads. Kyle doesn't look so hot anymore.

Not helpful

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:37 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:34 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:28 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:27 pm
MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:23 pm Quin, what are your reads?
LC, speedchuck and DDL are my civ reads. Kyle doesn't look so hot anymore.

Not helpful

I don't even know why your vote is where it is.

We've got eight people around according to the forum.

linki: I agree with you that it's a weak reasoning for not voting after all that distancing, but MP is also voting DDL. Doesn't that count for something Wilgy?

Wilgy, at least gimme a current hypothetical scumteam. Do something helpful instead of laughing like a drunken hyena and making us waste posts on asking for clarification.

linki: Trying to figure out Wilgy, MP. He voted DDL for (I think) the was DDL went after you then pulled back. I still don't get why.

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:43 pm
MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:41 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:40 pm We've got eight people around according to the forum.

linki: I agree with you that it's a weak reasoning for not voting after all that distancing, but MP is also voting DDL. Doesn't that count for something Wilgy?
What the hell are you talking about?
speedchuck's become the Syndicate's official emoji translator.

dammit

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:45 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 5:09 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2017 1:37 pm
Dragon D. Luffy - Posts
Kylemii - Posts
MovingPictures07 - Posts
speedchuck - Posts

Wilgy: "If DDL is scum, he's scum with MP"
MP tried to start CFD on DDL
Your scumteams don't make sense.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:48 pm Cfd on wilgy guys?

I hate CFDs in general.

But nothing of value would be lost either way.

10 minutes

DDL voted Wilgy, in case anyone missed that in the fervor.

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