The Syndicate

Hi folks.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2017 2:10 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2017 1:31 pm the risks associated with this game.

if you break a rule, Marmot comes to your house at night and breaks your arms

If you break a rule, you may wake up on the summit of one of the mountains from the game, alone and with no equipment except for a portrait containing this photo:

https://www.walldevil.com/wallpapers/a8 ... undhog.jpg

Wait, there are people who don't use kilometers? What kind of ancient civilization is that?

According to wikipedia Olympus Mons isn't even the tallest

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rheasilvia

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2017 9:19 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2017 9:13 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2017 8:52 pm According to wikipedia Olympus Mons isn't even the tallest

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rheasilvia

Who'd have thunk. There's an asteroid out there that is literally a mountain.

I hear the peak is breathtaking.

Ba dum tss.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2017 9:33 pm Yeah but I don't have a read on you yet.

(I don't actually have a read on Sprityo, either. I'm just poking him.)

You have a weird definition for "poking".

I don't like this Epi lynch. Feels like there's a bunch of scum surrounding him like vultures waiting to see if they can lynch him or not. Lots of people "kind of" wanting to vote for him.

I am not voting for Epi today.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:53 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:08 am Put a vote on Spacedaisy. Do we believe her guilt to be coming from a place of empathy for game hosts everywhere, or from her role card?

I'm not really buying the idea that she feels guilty about rolling Mafia, making it affect her very first post in the game.

WHo the hell feels guilty about being mafia anyway?

Voting Sloonei, I agree on the point about fence sitting.

I've just noticed something, after reading Bob's "vote early/often" expression.

In a standard NF game I change my vote 3-4 times every phase, give or take. I vote often and boldly.

But here I feel like I have some restraint voting, perhaps because of the first games I played in this forum that didn't allow changing votes.

I've been having better results as a civ there than here, so I'll try to keep that in mind. I should vote more often.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:25 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:52 am

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:43 am I'm with Sloonei (and LC, wow, what a surprise, it's el clásico again and everything is predictable and nothing hurts)

Are you more inclined toward my hesitance or LC's confidence?

The former, I guess. Mostly I agree with the sentiments you've expressed about why Quin's reasoning is fine for day 1, and probably enough to join Quin and LC in an epi vote if I don't get anything better for a day 1 reason

*votes Nutella*

His town game is crafty tho.

I'm here. 500+ posts behind. Lemme catch up and I'll answer questions.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:11 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:51 pm I'd really like to hear @Mesk514's thoughts on current events. My thoughts are clouded by past meta and I think an outsiders' viewpoint could bring some clarity

I don't like this post. In Pirates mafia (the one and only game I've ever seen Kyle play to this point), he was an active force early in the game. He's been more passive so far in this game, so I prodded him for reads. Five minutes later, he came out with this, absent of content but calling for more content from the newcomer. This post is fluff and an excuse to delay participation in the game.

I also got a feeling Kyle is being passive-like.

From Page 5, that is.

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 2:13 pm
Fortunately, a care package was dropped from a helicopter. There was a stuffed teddy bear inside.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:41 pm Kyle is like 10 right? DDL's kid?

Will you stop this before someone else buys it

Kyle looks better two pages later.

I agree with Nutella's assertion about Epi vs LC back and forth. Or about every back and forth, tbh. I usually automatically skim it when I notice it's just two players arguing semantics over and over and whatnot.

That said, Nutella's post complaining about them gave me a bad vibe.

Okay 12 pages left.

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 6:39 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:39 am I don't like this Epi lynch. Feels like there's a bunch of scum surrounding him like vultures waiting to see if they can lynch him or not. Lots of people "kind of" wanting to vote for him.

What do you think of the people who "kind of" want to vote for him?

Ok there is a billion of people asking me this so

I didn't make a list of those people. And I didn't evaluate them individually (though Nutella and Sloonei attracted my attention at the time more than the rest)

I just saw what I perceived like a possible movement from baddies to slowly push a day 1 Epi lynch and decided I wanted no part in it.

Looking for movements like that is one way I like to scumhunt. last game I played on NF we found a baddie on day 1 because halfway through the phase only 2 people were voting for him and normally whenever he is playing there is a huge meme wagon on him by page 2. The fact people suddenly decided not to do that meme was an indication he was being protected by the baddies. We were right.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:34 pm Hey does anyone know what time zones belong to each of the 19 of the players? Or a close estimate?

UTC-2. Until February.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:44 pm colonialbob -- don't know
Dom -- eastern
Dragon D. Luffy -- eastern i think (brazil)
DrWilgy -- don't know
Elohcin -- eastern
Epignosis -- eastern
Glorfindel -- uhh I forget
Jackofhearts2005 -- don't know
Kylemii -- pacific
Long Con -- eastern
Mesk514 -- don't know
MovingPictures07 -- central
nutella -- pacific
Quin -- oz
sig -- don't know
Sloonei -- eastern i think?
Spacedaisy -- central
speedchuck -- not sure
sprityo -- not sure

Eastern USA is UTC-5 in the winter, -4 in the summer.

Brazil is -3 in the winter, -2 in the summer.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:56 pm @Elohcin
@Dragon D. Luffy

Who kind of wants to vote for Epi?

People that think Epi is scum but are voting for someone they also think is scum don't count. Who are the vultures?

You guys really like names don't you.

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 9:22 pm y'all talk too much

I'm not voting for Dom on Day 2. For this is the best post in the thread.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 7:19 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 7:18 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:56 pm @Elohcin
@Dragon D. Luffy

Who kind of wants to vote for Epi?

People that think Epi is scum but are voting for someone they also think is scum don't count. Who are the vultures?

You guys really like names don't you.

Yes. Why make an accusation if it's not really directed at anyone?

Because the point was not to make an accusation. It was to defend Epi.

Anyway, once i'm catch up I'll humor you. I'll give the list of everyone who gave me that feeling. Just don't expect me to have reads on them. Not my style.

sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 9:45 pm I also lean trusting on jack and speed so I like the Nutella lynch

I lean on suspecting you. This post gives me a bad vibe.

I hate this argument about ties.

One of Kyle and Jack is bad.

Calling it now.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 10:55 pm I've said my piece on today's lynch. Plenty of other people haven't provided much content so I'll give them a chance to catch up or speak.

I'll be lurking until EOD in case anyone has questions or I need to move my vote.

This post gives me a very political vibe.

I hate politicians.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 7:29 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 7:22 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 7:19 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 7:18 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:56 pm @Elohcin
@Dragon D. Luffy

Who kind of wants to vote for Epi?

People that think Epi is scum but are voting for someone they also think is scum don't count. Who are the vultures?

You guys really like names don't you.

Yes. Why make an accusation if it's not really directed at anyone?

Because the point was not to make an accusation. It was to defend Epi.

Anyway, once i'm catch up I'll humor you. I'll give the list of everyone who gave me that feeling. Just don't expect me to have reads on them. Not my style.

But your defense of Epi implies that other players are being shady. You can't have the defense without any accusations.

If there is a horde of players being shady I can guess some of them are bad but I don't know which ones.

sloonei
nutella
LC

There, just looked at the thread and listed the people.

Now imma go back to catch up.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 12:38 am

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:39 am I don't like this Epi lynch. Feels like there's a bunch of scum surrounding him like vultures waiting to see if they can lynch him or not. Lots of people "kind of" wanting to vote for him.

At this stage, I had two votes for sure (LC and Quin).

DDL made a sweeping accusation of people who had not voted for me. He voted Sloonei at one point for "fence-sitting," but then voted nutella. His votes are thus quite consistent with his posts, except for this:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:23 pm I've just noticed something, after reading Bob's "vote early/often" expression.

In a standard NF game I change my vote 3-4 times every phase, give or take. I vote often and boldly.

But here I feel like I have some restraint voting, perhaps because of the first games I played in this forum that didn't allow changing votes.

I've been having better results as a civ there than here, so I'll try to keep that in mind. I should vote more often.

I don't understand why this post exists.

Because going to the Speakeasy takes too many extra clicks.

Okay so I'm 13 pages in and I'm getting sleepy. When I get sleepy I get stupid. I'll read the rest tomorrow.

I'll leave a "rainbow":

quin - civ
speed - civ
eloh - civ
bob - civ

LC - bad
nutella - bad
jack - bad
sprityo - bad

rest - neutral/idk

linki: holy shit Sloonei you ninja'd me

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 7:12 am DDL, why'd you vote nutella yesterday? Where's it gonna go today? Can you tell me a little bit about those town reads of yours?

Lemme catch up first. 11 pages.

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 2:06 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 2:02 am

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 1:45 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 1:41 am

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 1:38 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 1:36 am

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 5:47 pm

This following "I move my vote around constantly on Day 1" begs an explanation.

My final Day 1 vote is not the same as a Day 1 pressure vote. I like for that one to be reasoned and informed. All the other ones are just me poking people with a stick. I was saying that I hadn't been convinced that Epi was deserving of a final vote, but that the door was not shut on it.

Epi's not getting my vote today.

Sloonei, are you a little mountain?

No

I asked you to explain why you'd say that about Epi but not throw a vote there to support it, and you told me about the criteria that would have earned Epi your final vote.

huh?

> You throw votes out like candy on Day 1
> I use the word candy because I've given up on my own country's vocabulary
> You suspect Epi but won't put the final vote on him at that time
> I question why he didn't at least earn a pressure vote
> You tell me that your final vote is cast when it's well reasoned
> This exchange does not make me happy

I understanding why you don't like it but I recall random pressure votes really being Sloonei's playstyle.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 3:43 am I disagree with the Sutter Buttes one. We have not yet had a night in which to turn any actions in. The Sutter Buttes hide a fellow little mountain at night and it decreases the vote tally against them the following day. I think this can be discounted as a reason for what occurred.

If Everest, then it might not be her
If Aconcagua, then it is her
If Pico Cristobal Colon, then it doesn't have to be her, but they must be someone who feels confident using their one time power to save her...
If Matterhorn, ??? we just don't know enough to eliminate this one
Disregarding Sutter Buttes for reasons already stated above...
Olympus Mons, same boat as Matterhorn

This doesn't clear her, but her survival is in no way a clear indication of her being bad. in fact I think her behavior might actually be explained by a couple of these possibilities and leans me even more towards my previous belief that Nutella is not bad.

Agree with this. There is a chance someone else is Everest and voted against the Nutella lynch, but the implication she knew it would be a tie gives a high chance she is a civ. Assuming she is not manipulating that in the first place.

She is still playing in a very scummy way, though...

Mesk514 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 4:06 am Shit... am i even allowed to swear...

This site has a "no asshatery" zero tolerance policy, so do not insult people. But throwing a couple non-directed swears every now and then is fine. We are all adults here (excluding maybe Kyle but he doesn't count).

Sometimes there are actual children playing or hosting, though (i. e. Epi's kids). In that case it's recommended you avoid any swearing whatsoever. But it is not the case of this game.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 4:30 am Oh also, welcome to the site and it's nice to meet you!

We occasionally hold family friendly games, but the game outline will clearly stipulate the language rules for that game. And they are rare. We try not to censor language, we only hold fast to our one absolutely line in the sand which is basically that we don't allow any slurs against any person or group based upon their race, gender, religion, sexual orientation, etc. So pretty much "Don't be a dick" sums it up for us. All other language is fair play. But we do tend to try and treat each other with respect while we call each other scummy lying wolves.

Ninja's by Daisy.

Mesk514 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 4:47 am Oh and before I forget, what is info dumping?

P.S, I come from a site where teens bully the new players and call them... fags LOL
and as the leader I can't do much it's sad

You would like to play mafia in Naruto Forums I think.

We don't call people fags (at least not unironically, that is) but we have a trollish sense of humor.

Mesk514 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 4:50 am ...........wtf

im tripping... did you just say night posting is a thing.... whats the point of that

The Syndicate is an alien civilization that came to the internet a few years ago and brought customs that were unknown to the inhabitants of Earth. So far they have done a decent job integrating with the human species, having changed some of their classic sustoms such as banning changing of votes and not letting dead players win (though both are unnoficial and some hosts still do them), but they still have some weird alien habits that to this day are weird to us Earthlings. Although some Earthlings like me like to copy their customs and take them to other sites, like Rainbow Lists and Gman's Technicolor Vote Tally.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 2:40 pm Kyle looks better two pages later.

I agree with Nutella's assertion about Epi vs LC back and forth. Or about every back and forth, tbh. I usually automatically skim it when I notice it's just two players arguing semantics over and over and whatnot.

That said, Nutella's post complaining about them gave me a bad vibe.

Okay 12 pages left.

This is when I realize to my horror that I've been stuck at 11-13 pages left for a whole day.

Now I'm only 6 pages left. But that's because I stopped trying to read everything thoroughly and now I'm skimming everything.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 3:45 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 3:39 pmThe only sense I can make of it is that you and LC are baddie teammates who planned to go after each other.

So, according to you, Epi and I must have been sitting in BTSC, rubbing our hands together going, "Oh boy, let's get into it in the thread! This is going to be great! Just watch us cruise to victory by arguing about some logical misundestanding on Day 1, and then BOOM, we win and they'll never know what hit them! "

I can't believe you actually think this.

Epi is going to reply with "I've only done that once in mafia syndicate".

But fuck it. There is always a second time.

He did the exact thing you are describing in Guess Who mafia.

So he is is capable of it. Maybe he does it only once every 50 games. But Im'm pretty sure he played more than 50 games here so that's irrelevant.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 4:08 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 3:58 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 3:45 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 3:39 pmThe only sense I can make of it is that you and LC are baddie teammates who planned to go after each other.

So, according to you, Epi and I must have been sitting in BTSC, rubbing our hands together going, "Oh boy, let's get into it in the thread! This is going to be great! Just watch us cruise to victory by arguing about some logical misundestanding on Day 1, and then BOOM, we win and they'll never know what hit them! "

I can't believe you actually think this.

I have played on baddie teams with Epi, I most certainly do believe that he would love to bus his teammate right off the bat.

Another common unfounded belief about me. I don't know why it keeps coming up. I most certainly do not like the idea of bussing a teammate right off the bat (or ever). I've done it literally one time in history (DDL in Guess Who?) and it was for the sheer novelty of it, as I had never done it before. The only other occasions I recall bussing a teammate was out of necessity because the teammate had already talked himself into a corner and there wasn't any coming back from it (Scotty in one of G-Man's games was one of those rare instances).

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 3:58 pm And you guys always go after each other, every game you play together without fail. You both know to do otherwise would look suspicious. I doubt the topic of your shouting at each other was worked out in advance. So now you are telling me you think it was all a misunderstanding? You don't believe Epi is supicious?

My issue with your whole back and forth was this, you were reaching to the max and you know it. And Epi didn't respond like someone who really wants to get you lynched even though he should have if he were civ. Neither of you behaved normally in this.

Linki: That possibility is the only thing making me feel like this might all be tinfoiling and exactly why I didn't vote for LC in the last lynch. Also why I have decided either you two are baddies together or you (Epi) are civ.

I didn't really want to get LC lynched outside of the mindset that, whether he was good or not, if he got lynched, I wouldn't have to waste my time with his crappy accusations against me. I knew that was my mindset, and that I had been there before, and that if LC isn't bad and I'm only dissatisfied with his performance, I'm not helping myself by trying to get him lynched.

Doing the same thing over and over isn't normal. Learning from the past is.

"A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little mountains."

Oh damn ninja'd again.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 6:23 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:53 pm (Basically I would think LC is scum but following such a stupid argument if he didn't genuinely see something in Epi is suicidal)

(And that's a town meta read on LC for me)

LC would not have, as scum, taken one of the danciest, hardest-to-lynch targets and formed a stupid argument to try and lynch him. My meta on LC says this sincere, earnest, and suicidal lynchlust comes from a town headspace.

And seriously, who would target Epi as their easy D1 lynch?

Motive-wise, it makes zero sense for LC to be scum outside of tinfoil land.

That depends on what you think LC's intent is.

"try to lynch" doesn't implicate in actually having that person's lynch as the only goal.

When I am bad I try to lynch people but I don't mind if they don't actually get lynched. The first and most important intent for me is to look civ, not to try to move the game into lynching Civ A or Civ B.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 8:02 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 7:21 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 9:22 pm y'all talk too much

I'm not voting for Dom on Day 2. For this is the best post in the thread.

He makes it every game.

Yeah but in this game I actually agree with him all the way.

(not really, tbh. It's delightful to see all this activity in the Syndicate. Please keep doing it)

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 8:25 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 7:29 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 10:55 pm I've said my piece on today's lynch. Plenty of other people haven't provided much content so I'll give them a chance to catch up or speak.

I'll be lurking until EOD in case anyone has questions or I need to move my vote.

This post gives me a very political vibe.

I hate politicians.

I have four times as many posts as you, you're annoyed at all the posts but me stopping posting for the night is bad indicative.

K.

You are interpreted it wrong.

I couldn't care less about you stopping for the night.

I just didn't like the way you put it. Seems like you are reading yourself for a possible jump near EoD to save a teammate, while at the same time excusing yourself for not posting.

You don't need to relay that kind of information if you are a civ. I'm looking at your motivation for doing it. Feels like a politician wanting to excuse bad deeds.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 8:26 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 7:34 pm sloonei
nutella
LC

There, just looked at the thread and listed the people.

Now imma go back to catch up.

You think LC only kinda wanted to lynch Epi?

What thread are you reading?

Allow me to fix your sentence.

"you thought, three days ago, after reading the first 4 pages, that LC only kinda wanted to lynch Epi?"

And the answer is yes. That's what I thought at the time.

Now I'm more on the fence about that. Seems to me that either LC is a civ who actually tried to lynch Epi, or a baddie who went at it not being sure he would succeed but trying anyway.

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 10:01 am DDl, both times you got ninja'd, you were clarifying a point that had little or nothing to do with solving the game. We both know the "that time Epi bussed" story very well, as do the majority of the players here, because it has come up many times. Not only are you commenting on things that have already been taken care of (ninja'd), but they are things that get your mouth moving but not the game. That does not look good to me; I am considering adding my vote to you, because the stars are aligning that way already. It's early in the day though.

Though luck. I like to comment on things as I catch up. I will nor refrain from doing that if I think other people may think they are not important enough.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 9:34 pm

Spoiler: show

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 7:26 pm I hate this argument about ties.

One of Kyle and Jack is bad.

Calling it now.

I appreciate that this read exists, but I don't know what motivates it. Tell me more about the argument about ties and why you hate it and why that reflects this way on Kyle/Jack. This is a serious request, I am not entirely clearly on that argument myself yet.

K.

There was on NF game a while ago where I found a baddie on Day 2 like this: she spent 10 (20ppp) pages on Day 1 going back and forth with a civ. The civ in questions is one of the worst players to ever appear on the internet. He was arguing something bogus like his right of not scumhunting on day 1 because day 1 is always useless. People lynched him for it. I instead went after her, because I noticed she was taking advantage of him to look like she was contributing when she wasn't. I got night killed, but then on day 2 people followed the case on her and she flipped bad.

I thought I saw the same pattern on Kyle vs Jack. Kyle argued some sub-optimal strategy (tieing votes) and Jack decided to argue with him for a long time about it. Or maybe Kyle posted it, Jack took the bait, and Kyle took the advantage to spend a long time arguing about it. Either way, the point is: if I see two players arguing for a long time about something not related to scumhunting, I will suspect at least one of them is wasting everyone's time on purpose. Hence my point.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 9:34 pm

Spoiler: show

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 7:34 pm sloonei
nutella
LC

There, just looked at the thread and listed the people.

Now imma go back to catch up.

This was in response to a prod by Sloonei to expand on his grievance with the Epignosis voters I mentioned earlier. The addition of names is good, but it's unclear what the reader should be doing with them. It's typically not such a chore to get this sort of content from DDL given that he thrives on pressure as a civilian.

~~~

More puke later.

Ok, time out. I'm not letting you do this shit again.

We played one game in 2015 (Economics Mafia) where you formed an opinion of me (a rather positive one it seems, which makes me happy). But since then it seems you have holding every game I play to that standard.

In 2016, you came in as a replacement in Turf Wars. You read my posts, decided I was not playing identically to Economics Mafia, and led a succesfuls lynch on me. I had gone through a very long and arduous proccess of making people think I was a civ that took multiple phases, and you came and destroyed everything in less than 24 hours, by making people give in to their old doubts and suspicions. I flipped civ. Also since then I have been banning people from replacing late in games I host because I hate when that kind of thing happens.

I'm not mad at you for it (that game was a barrel of emotions for me which I've long overcome anyway), but I'm seeing you do that again and I'm telling you that it won't work. My playstyle has gone through a lot of changes since I joined this site. Mainly because I have the worst W/L ratio of any regular in Mafia Syndicate, which has forced me to make changes. I may or may not necessarily rely on pressure. I may or may not necessarily follow up on old suspicions, and I now avoid tunneling on people like my life depends on it. I change my playstyle every game. In fact, as I said early, I'm trying to change it a little in this very game.

As for this game, you and other people are questioning that post, so here is the thing. I commented on what I thought was a general push by mafia on a civ, so I decided I wanted to throw a wrench on it. I did not form detailed reads on all the people doing it, as that wasn't my intention and I didn't think I had the ability to do that (this is a hallmark of my newer playstyle btw. I work under the assumption that my sumchunting skills are horseshit and doubt myself all the time).

There have been hundreds of posts after the fact. Collectively, they weigh way more than it. I don't want to stick to it forever. Sloonei has posted things that made me feel better about him. Nutella posted things that made me feel worse, and later got physical indication of being a civ (the tie stuff) that now makes me not want to vote for her anymore. LC posted things that made him look both better or worse at times. That early Day 1 evidence has long been archived in my scumhunting process, and you guys are wanting me to give importance to something that has none.