The Syndicate

Hey gang. I've followed the game pretty closely so far and will puke up some perspectives/hot takes/sick, nasty content after class.

Reads puke

Kylemii is a civilian read for his full body of work – it parallels Pirates in a way I closely observed as a host, wherein he was willing to engage every dialogue and seemed loose in doing so. I also followed his mafia-aligned game on sc2 and he was visibly less comfortable – it showed in his posting rate and especially in crunch time.

Epignosis has employed a transparent POE approach which I think recalls recent civilian games of his wherein he has accepted the power of the strategy. This was visible quickly in the positive Mesk read which earned the ire of some and contributed to the Long Con feud, and it is visible again in the immediate aftermath of the failed lynch. He went through a lot of trouble to clear nutella, something that I think he has little reason to do if he is mafia and she is a civilian. Nobody is going to fault him if he doesn’t do that; indeed I don’t know that the conclusions he drew were immediately evident to others anyway. This means the Epi-as-mafia case becomes more contingent upon nutella also being mafia. I agree with the reasoning he provided though to give her civilian credit.

The mere fact that another instance Long Con/Epignosis Day 1 combat has taken place right after Pirates does concern me some. Long Con initiated the kerfuffle, and my immediate reaction was to wonder if it's an attempt to squeeze into those meta pajamas he sewed for himself in the prior game. At face value I don't care for the way it started:


The notion that Epignosis was "setting up a long game" on Day 0 strikes me as bogus. Combine the appearance of a fake accusation with the meta pajamas and there's reason for concern. One can view it as a maneuver to motivate content generation, or just to develop an early read on a difficult player (Epignosis) -- I don't get that impression from the continuing | progression. They look like accusations meant to pursue an actual lynch, corroborated by Long Con himself in response to Epi's assertion that it may be personal.


At face value I thought Jack looked good. His handling of a particular Sloonei/Quin exchange spoke to me:


I like this because it features a conscious disconnection of two others, based upon reasoning that I think is agreeable. It wasn't frivolous civilian reads or otherwise in the pocketing style I'd expect from an evil-doer. It's a dissociation which did not need to be made, and only benefits mafia Jack if each of the others (Sloonei and Quin) is also mafia. That's a huge ball of tinfoil to swallow.

Quin has made a bunch of posts and I cannot recall feeling much from any of them. Reminder to self to investigate.

A few DDL posts bug me:


Gimme names. This kind of external, detached commentary doesn't do much to dissuade the lynch option being criticized.


Sloonei did sit on the fence with regard to Epignosis, but he didn't exactly try to mask that:


This post might as well have a flashing neon sign that says "free waffles". DDL hopping on with that accusation is a rather easy move.


I appreciate that this read exists, but I don't know what motivates it. Tell me more about the argument about ties and why you hate it and why that reflects this way on Kyle/Jack. This is a serious request, I am not entirely clearly on that argument myself yet.


This was in response to a prod by Sloonei to expand on his grievance with the Epignosis voters I mentioned earlier. The addition of names is good, but it's unclear what the reader should be doing with them. It's typically not such a chore to get this sort of content from DDL given that he thrives on pressure as a civilian.

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More puke later.

Everyone should tell me what things in this thread you feel are most important/most warrant my attention and discussion among those I didn't just address.

Mesk514 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 4:45 am okay, imofficially like, blitzed outta my mind so my brain would only allow me to do some skimming.... PLEASE I BEG OF YOU, GIVE ME THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT and at least allow me to read it with a fresh non tainted mentality.... However, I want to comment on a few things...

1 - Crazy cake lady, I'm absolutely obsessed with your avatar...

2 - Not too sure how I feel about Epiklsflaflgadfjlghfg (i can't spell) but the first few pages I was actually thinking questioning how one could be so confident on a players alignment. I was totally imaging some big buff he man like dude walking up and being like HEY, THESE TWO FUCKERS ARE GOOOOD ARRRRRRRRR I NO VOTE THEM, ARRR and while I feel intimidated into wanting to believe them... honey, i don't know you and you don't know me... at least take me on a date once before you try and assert your dominance

3 - The irony in this all is Long Cons - he's in it for the long run comment, which is ironic as shit given his name is Long con. However I see the hypothesis going a little too far with the Crazy Cake Lady.
First of all, I am not bad, I am merely an ex junky(well, depends what your definition of a junky is) who still smokes a fuck ton but I must say I can weed out(no pun intended) that baddies at some point in the game before all else goes to shit. I'm not going to say what they were doing was exactly pre flip associations but from the point that caught my eye it really seemed like they were already trying to plant some - if this, they must be that - seeds... which can actually be taken both ways... I may be discussing this like it's a bad thing but I'm not ready to disclose how I really feel about this player yet...

4- Kyle seems to be a little bit of a shit poster (sorry my dear friend) which from my 1 hosting game experience, I would expect tons of effort if they were scum... given i gave him a scum card and he tried his hardest with no shit post tier plays! so Kyle, let's be good friends and whip up a mountain of a storm together eh?

My thought process is kinda scattered at the moment... feel free to tell me I'm absolutely dumb as a bag of bricks.... but honestly I'm more better when I am active and having a run on conversation as opposed to just popping in and saying my peace... I will be around for a bit... lets chat!

Hi Mesk!

I saw you said somewhere here that you don't like to give reads on Day 1. That is something from another planet to me, but I won't judge the norms of other cultures -- I've seen stranger. Is that a personal decision or something typical of sc2?

More importantly, the post I've quoted here bears a meaty appearance but loses its value when the commentary doesn't amount to some manner of reads. You have said things about four players, and I have no idea how you feel about any of them. What civilian benefit is afforded to you or to other readers with this post?

colonialbob wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 10:03 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 9:36 pm Everyone should tell me what things in this thread you feel are most important/most warrant my attention and discussion among those I didn't just address.

I'd be interested in thoughts on me/jack/LC. Also the vote swapping from Epi to Nutella

I actually was just looking at your ISO. The long exchange you had with Jack at least looked dissociative (if that wasn't a word before it is now) -- I don't think you look like tiny mountains together. That point has limited value at present with no flips but whatever it came to mind.

I am less perturbed by your early poop fling at Sloonei than I was with DDL given that yours came first and it didn't last. I suggested in my puke that I think Jack looks good, at least for the point I raised. Could you summarize your suspicion of him for me? I raised concerns with LC separately, mostly relating to his dealings with Epignosis.

Also I am not entirely clear on everything that transpired with regard to vote movement. I'll need some help on that before I can offer much insight, otherwise I'll see you after I check myself.

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 10:01 pm Woke up to a good 120 posts. I should have known.

Ain't my damned fault this time.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 10:10 pm JJJ is bad for buddying me.

I wish we had one of those shit emojis.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 10:06 pm Good puke Jay. I quite enjoyed the "meta pajamas" analogy. I also found your assessment of Jack to have merit and will keep that in mind as I sort out how I feel about him. And I agree with your funky vibes from DDL; even given that he's been posting while catching up, a lot of his posts have felt vague and directionless.

Tell me how you feel about all of the players whose usernames begin with S: sig, Sloonei, Spacedaisy, speedchuck, and sprityo.

Without having done the deep digging yet that I'd like to do, I can spare some gut takes:

sig as a civilian pirate was more engaged and effortful in the high-octane Day 1 aboard the pirate ship than he was in this high-octane Day 1. Bad vibes.

Sloonei's thing about the eyeroll emoji amused me, and I don't know that I'd expect that flippant response to an accusation from Darth Sloonei. Good vibes.

Spacedaisy appears at a glance to be Doing Work. She has engaged numerous dialogues with an assertive tone, and is bringing the Big Posts. We don't always see this level of motivation from Annie. Good vibes.

speedchuck was willing to engage suspects pointedly, and he cut down his suspect pool with transparent civilian reads (or at least pledges not to lynch). I also like the tone he exhibited in his handling of the Epi/LC feud. Good vibes.

sprityo's posts don't offer much in the way of original contribution. Reads exist here but I don't follow their origins, and there's some piggy-backing happening. That's not ideal. Bad vibes.

[mention]Sloonei[/mention] do you have any idea what your most active (by post count) mafia-aligned game has been on a forum that isn't deleted?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 10:37 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 10:34 pm @Sloonei do you have any idea what your most active (by post count) mafia-aligned game has been on a forum that isn't deleted?

Either Street Fighter or the Champs game. Slim pickings.

k

Also:

A lynch of a low poster has the most merit in a scenario wherein the high posters read each other mostly as civilians -- it's POE. In this scenario I think it's a reasonable option, as the one notable "high poster" suspicion I have to offer is Long Con. I'm with family for turkey time today but ought to be able to investigate ideal low-poster options later.

Linkipalooza

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 10:54 pm JaggedJimmyJay calls his posts "puke" as though he hasn't had any opportunity to digest anything, but he said he's very much read the thread. It's a subtle way of making people think he hasn't had any opportunity to do so, but he has.

This should, in the very least, stop people from giving him credit for coming in with quick opinions. They aren't really quick. They've been percolating.

I said I followed the game. I have no reason to pretend I haven't followed the game after saying that I followed the game. I called it "puke" because the term amused me, and it seemed applicable to a large post containing many of the thoughts I develop when following along as a spectator.

That said, I haven't followed shit this day phase. I'll at least skim things now, but I'd prefer to focus more on present interaction. There are three hours.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:10 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:06 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 10:54 pm JaggedJimmyJay calls his posts "puke" as though he hasn't had any opportunity to digest anything, but he said he's very much read the thread. It's a subtle way of making people think he hasn't had any opportunity to do so, but he has.

This should, in the very least, stop people from giving him credit for coming in with quick opinions. They aren't really quick. They've been percolating.

I said I followed the game. I have no reason to pretend I haven't followed the game after saying that I followed the game. I called it "puke" because the term amused me, and it seemed applicable to a large post containing many of the thoughts I develop when following along as a spectator.

That said, I haven't followed shit this day phase. I'll at least skim things now, but I'd prefer to focus more on present interaction. There are three hours.

Yet you saw my post pretty damn fast.

I saw this one fast too. It's late, my shit's done, I'm here.

I have no reason to read sprityo as a civilian.

Someone talk to me about these Jack and Sloonei wagons. Summarize the beefs.

Dom's failure to post anything at all is his Thing in recent memory. I do recall though that Kenny Bania (mafia) produced nothing whatsoever. I'm not sure even low-effort civilian games from Dom lately were quite so lacking. I'll check really quick.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:16 pm Dom's failure to post anything at all is his Thing in recent memory. I do recall though that Kenny Bania (mafia) produced nothing whatsoever. I'm not sure even low-effort civilian games from Dom lately were quite so lacking. I'll check really quick.

I looked at four recent games wherein Dom was a civilian.

TSFQ - civilian - more useful in general, though it took a while

posts

Gatsby - civilian - very brief posts, only barely relevant content

posts

Night Vale - civilian - crapload of posts, comparison probably isn't sensible, it is an outlier for Dom in general

SFII - civilian - few posts, but relevant

posts

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I don't know that this makes Dom look considerably worse, because there's a decent amount of variance in his brands of lurking. He remains a default suspect if little else.

I have no reason to read sig as a civilian.

This is the most substantive post in his history, and it's a bit of a hedge with regard to Epi and LC. He's positioned to do whatever he wants with regard to that feud.

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:34 pm Wow you guys went ahead and vote me under no premise?

I could just not answer, is that better?

Gah. Whatever

Given that you're not caught up, based on what do you assert that your voters have acted "under no premise"?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:23 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:21 pm I don't like this sequence.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 9:16 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 8:34 pm Sloonei

I don't feel you are genuine, and I think your go at Eloh was a try to score an easy lynch that people would find agreeable even if the result was no good.

Nope. I wanted you to share your thoughts on her, then I moved off.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 9:43 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 9:30 pm I don't want to be on Eloh come day end. It could go on Sloonei.

I advise against this.

I could go back to Eloh.

Voting Eloh because he wants Epi's thoughts, that's all? But then he's willing to vote there immediately after taking his vote off? Smells off.

immediately? My vote has been off of Eloh for like 6 hours. I specifically wanted Epi's thoughts on my specific case against Elohcin. He shot it down. But she's still a suspect. I have no reason to remove her from the pool.

Is this to imply that you were not willing to vote for Elohcin immediately after the initial post in that progression?

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:38 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:36 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:34 pm Wow you guys went ahead and vote me under no premise?

I could just not answer, is that better?

Gah. Whatever

Given that you're not caught up, based on what do you assert that your voters have acted "under no premise"?

IVE DONE NOTHING BUT VOTE FOR NUTELLA, JAY

I would argue that you made 15 posts prior to the protest I quoted there in addition to voting for nutella, and that those 15 posts serve as a premise which can justify a vote for you. You're not void of content here, but there's not much to inspire within that content (hi Quin).

DDL's response to my grievances is a moving one. The specificity of the parallel drawn here, based on what happened in Turf Wars, when I was similar to a replacement (joining the game at Day 5), and led an erroneous lynch on him inspires (hi Quin) me to reconsider. It's not especially important that I was wrong then, but it's important that DDL remembered this incident and recollected it with such earnestness here. I believe him when he says he wants to stop me from doing that to him again, and I also grant that my meta perception of him (a civilian who thrives on pressure) could be out of date. I don't think the two of us have really played many games together since that first meeting in Economics. I don't endorse his lynch.

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:46 pm Well you can expect more of me not being here.

I’m stepping away for the night.

Do what you wish, I don’t care

You're not leading the tally presently; there's no need to take your ball and go home. I'm not talking to you here just to irritate you.

I'm staring at Sloonei's ISO, and the worst I can say is that I am not experiencing the transparent civilian brotherhood that he and I often enjoy (most recently as Jerry and Steinbrenner). That's a high standard to ask anyone to meet though, and I am not especially alarmed by this content -- and there's plenty of it. I don't think his treatment of Elohcin was unreasonable, and I'll talk about that shortly.

What are the moments in his post history driving his present wagon?

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:48 pm I've moved to Sloonei. He's not ticking the boxes that I feel should be ticked. This is the time where Sloonei should be spamming the hell out of this thread to both prove himself and set-up legacy reads, but I get a very lackluster feel from these recent posts.

That's fair. With two hours remaining and a tally lead I would expect more fire. What's up with dat Sloonbeard?

Elohcin's rainbow and dialogue with Sloonei

Sloonei's questions here were reasonable -- Elohcin voiced in vague terms that the high posters seem civ and that she'd be willing to vote for a low poster. The contents of the rainbow list don't align with that much. A change of heart is fine, but I don't know if that's even what happened in Eloh's head -- the progression is unclear. The names in the rainbow almost appear randomized. I'm surprised to see myself rated well given my own slow start, and I have no idea why Mesk is so high. I don't know why the low posters are split between yellow and orange. I don't know why the high posters Sloonei and Quin are orange. When given an opportunity to expand on these things, she just said "relax" and restated the general purpose of a rainbow list.

[mention]Elohcin[/mention], you need to talk more about what's going on there.

Voting sprityo.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 12:30 am So then if he was right on all that why did he drop the vote when Epi said the read/case was bad? What made him swap his vote?

Let's ask Sloonei:


It appears the influence Epi had over his vote switch relates to content separate from Elohcin's rainbow list -- instead it relates to the meta discussion pertaining to her behavior when she has BTSC. This strikes me as consistent with the notion that she could still warrant a vote given the other reasons Sloonei's stated suspicion exists.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 12:34 am I was swayed off the main point of my case on eloh ad cooled off on her in general, so I wanted to focus my attention on another suspect. I was never convinced that Elohcin should be read as town. She was just knocked down from my "top suspect" pedestal.

What do you think of sprityo in the immediate present?

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 12:37 am She said I'm contributing mostly nonsense, but on Sloonei (and also me) she put it down to gut.

That's a rather harsh assertion. I don't know what makes the content from either of you "nonsense" as compared to any other randomly selected player.

sprityo came here for a minute, saw beefs, and immediately bailed indignantly despite not leading the tally. I am baffled.

I want to lynch sprityo. His refusal to acknowledge the suspicion of him (instead treating it as frivolous/without premise) and following take-the-ball-home pout looks fake.

He also fits the general profile of a low poster trying to appear as contributory as he can in a rapid-posting environment -- that poses a default challenge to any mafioso. Moreover I think the low-poster lynch strategy is ideal under these conditions.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:38 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:34 am Moreover I think the low-poster lynch strategy is ideal under these conditions.

Explain please. I'm also curious why you're defending somebody you didn't seem to be fully onboard with as town.

This has been the fastest-paced side mission I've ever seen here. The only competition that comes to mind at the moment is Economics, and I believe that had 48 hour days. This environment is a challenging one for a mafia team to handle, and with that in mind I believe there's a better chance of finding them among the low-posters than there would be in some other randomly selected game. Consider the present wagons, that dynamic, and sprityo's recent conduct in this thread and I think it's the best decision right now.

I'm not fully on board with Sloonei as town. I don't care. This is EOD, and the point is to make the best vote I can make. I think there's more reason to view him as a civilian than there is for sprityo. I think there's more reason to view Jack as a civilian too.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:40 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:31 am I want to lynch sprityo. His refusal to acknowledge the suspicion of him (instead treating it as frivolous/without premise) and following take-the-ball-home pout looks fake.

That's weak shit for you. Nah.

It moves me more than these other wagons move me.

I don't agree with your take on the Sloonei/Elohcin dynamic. You mentioned before that you thought he was trying to take the easy route with you and nutella. Describe that to me.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:42 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:34 am He also fits the general profile of a low poster trying to appear as contributory as he can in a rapid-posting environment -- that poses a default challenge to any mafioso.

It isn't that hard.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:34 am Moreover I think the low-poster lynch strategy is ideal under these conditions.

What are "these conditions?"

It isn't that hard for everyone. It's that hard for many people. I explained the conditions to colonialbob just now.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:46 am You come across as defending Sloonei though. I'd prefer you spend your time convincing me Sprit is bad.

sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 9:43 pm *vote Nutella*

I want to hear more of what LC has to say because he has my ear

From Nutella i haven’t picked up icy *anything* over the course of checking in throughout today

sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 9:45 pm I also lean trusting on jack and speed so I like the Nutella lynch

Reads exist, vaguely, and a vote is attributed to two other people. Indeed, the most substantive reasoning offered for the nutella vote is that other people voted for nutella. If we perceive her as a civilian, it's not ideal that he placed the responsibility for his vote in their laps.

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His posts are generally explorations of things and less about takes on people. It's the kind of look I would associate with manufactured effort.

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sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:46 pm Well you can expect more of me not being here.

I’m stepping away for the night.

Do what you wish, I don’t care

I don't know what this is. He didn't lead the tally and still felt it was so awful that he'd received votes that he couldn't bear to stay. I question the sincerity.

You can't kill a mountain. They're not even alive.

Alternative theory:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:57 am

colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:39 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:35 am Switching to Sprityo. At time of posting, I've read like none of his content (cause he had none when I left) so that sounds better than lynching Sloonei.

Whyyyyyyyyyyyy

I firmly believe Sloonei is good. He feels good. He's been thinking and he's working.

Tell me why you think he's bad.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 2:09 am Ugh. This night. Now to go see why I was almost lynched.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 2:10 am On the off chance of vote shenanigans...


Nutella, Sloonei, Jimmy, Bob, Quin good.

Epi bad. DDL maybe bad. Daisy maybe bad but only if Epi is.

Everyone else mostly null.

Do people use legacy reads? I feel like these get ignored.

The first post came just before the poll deadline, and the next two came after -- but before Marmot posted the [non]results.

Focus on the latter two posts. The highlighted portions suggest a player who does not anticipate being lynched despite being tied for the tally lead. Sloonei also projected a no-lynch as Spacedaisy has observed with "lynching me will be a waste of time". Neither of these two seemed to be very concerned about dying. One can assert that Jack's projection of survival barring vote shenanigans is evidence of the influence of Sutter Buttes, but then I have to question if he would say that. The poll was tied. Sloonei dying would have appeared to be the result of a coin flip; there's no need to make one's own mafia-driven voting advantage public before the results are revealed. If it's a civilian-driven advantage though (i.e. Everest)? Sure.

The first post above I also brought out to consider the notion that Jack stopped the lynch instead, given that he was firmly good on Sloonei. That'd give him a motive to put a stop to a tied lynch featuring a firm civilian read and himself at the gallows. This one is more difficult to believe though given the third quoted post -- "vote shenanigans" shouldn't matter to someone who is about to stop a lynch. This notion would require some semantic gymnastics.

Summarizing the theory:

~ Civilian Sloonei stopped the lynch/wasn't lynchable
~ Civilian Jack expected to survive because of his double vote

Other possibilities which are applicable – Matterhorn is somehow involved / Olympus Mons is somehow involved. Their “secrets” can be pretty much anything, and a lynch survival for OM especially wouldn’t surprise me.

Gimme those delicious thoughts.

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 3:06 am @JaggedJimmyJay Am I getting an ISO? You said you needed to look at me more closely.

Thanks for the reminder, bae. I'll get to it. For the moment I think you look alright -- I appreciate the reversal on Sloonei when he put up the colonialbob case.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 10:28 am That question was directed at JJJ because it was intended for JJJ. He was supporting your posting, so I wanted to understand why the part that bothered me didn't bother him. I wanted his thought process to help formulate a read on him, not as part of my feelings on you. I can certainly see why you interpreted this thay way, though, especially on ISO.

Can you describe the mafia mindset you attributed to Sloonei at the time regarding his vote move off of Elohcin? What about that maneuver made you suspicious of him?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:23 pm @colonialbob I happen to disagree with most every D2 read you've posted, so I'm [retty sure I'd read you scum if I ISO'd you. The lack of defense you're getting in this is kinda disturbing.

I mean, sloon had a good argument, but everyone's just like 'sure' so far and we townies haven't been uniform on anything all game.

Does anyone think Cbob is town? Why?

I wouldn't label bob a town read. Question for you: what do you mean to imply with the highlighted comment?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 3:55 pm Spacedaisy seems way more town than normal.

Quin seems consistent wit his cc123 performance. ???

I have no sig opinion yet

What is the purpose of this post?

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2017 5:26 am If Sloonei is about to stop (possibly) his own lynch, he doesn't spam out the thread right before EoD. Yes/No?

I would expect to see a concerted effort from Sloonei to lynch someone else so that the lynch stop doesn't have to be used -- more than just self-defense spam if that's what you mean. I would say that Sloonei pushed for a sprityo lynch at the very end.

Wilgy stuff


This was Wilgy's first substantive post, and it follows the typical catch-up multi-quote string. I think this is a pretty big post which does not do anything. He answered Quin's prompt from Day 0 approximately 80 years after it stopped being relevant. He called Spacedaisy scum, sort of, and didn't do anything with it. He asked a vague question about Epi's meta. I don't know what the point of this stuff is.

Wilgy asks a bunch of questions and then poops on Sloonei for asking a bunch of questions

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:55 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:44 am Anyone want to point out that if self-preservation was my goal right now I'd just switch my vote to jack and stop trying to pull people onto my preferred target? No? okay.

No, I do this all the time as scum for Civ cred. The fact that you are pointing it out ruins it.

I just got home and still am not caught up. I'm still ok with my vote based on what I have read.

Tell me a time you did it.

sig wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 11:33 am Howdy, sorry for not voting, I'd have gone for Daisy or LC since I didn't really see the case on any player. I'll address Daisy really fast, but first I want to say I really dislike the movement from her and JJJ to go after low posters who are kind off present, but not. I'll be totally honest I'm not very present and I find it odd people expect massive posts thanksgiving weekend. I also didn't expect this game to have 1400+ posts before day 3.

So since no lynches are impossible at this point one of the two, I'm assuming Jack due to vote break down has to be civ? Since mafia doesn't have a lynch survivor. Either way one of the two players should be seen as lock clear civ.

I don't expect anyone to make any massive posts. I like and encourage massive posts, but I have not demanded them. I have said that in a game that moves this quickly, a pace you acknowledge in this post, that a mafia team is more challenged to keep up than they typically would be. This presents a condition wherein, if my premise is accepted, low-posters would be more likely to flip mafia than they would in most other [slower-paced] games. Do you disagree with this premise?

It must be stated that simply "lynch a low-poster" is not adequate for a day's dialogue. Assess everyone as always, and if it is a low-poster who is lynched, ensure that it's an educated choice based upon whatever content does exist among them.

Let's ISO Quin


Quin pulled this move on Day 0. I think it's decent on a couple fronts:

1) It's effective for content generation.
2) This notion of "I have a suspicion, everyone else should tell me what it is" strikes me as an atypical means for a mafioso to either smear or distance.


This take on Kylemii contrasts the one I intuited as a spectator, wherein I thought Kyle's rate of contribution was similar to that of his civilian game in Pirates Mafia. I checked my perspective and I'd say the two Day 0/early Day 1 performances look comparable at face value given the difference in phase length. In this regard Quin's grievance appears rather manufactured.


Agreeable prod of nutella here, primarily in that it has the dual utility of drawing something more concrete from her complaint and also reads development on both nutella and Sloonei. He returned to it later to state a more concrete grievance.


Quin is making a consistent effort to this point to get the most out of people -- that's a good thing. He pulled this quote back into the dialogue after a number of hours had passed, when either participant would be forced to try to recall their mindset (genuine or not). I appreciate that.

Quin played the early game out of the Sloonei playbook | with questions | and some more questions | and some more questions | etc. I think this methodology is pro-civilian, even if not necessarily as typical of Quin as some others. What's important is that there is some discernible value-potential in the questions being posed, and I would say there is.


I'm following the development of Quin's read on Sloonei. Those two know each other uniquely well (as compared to some other random pairing of Syndikats) similarly to my own playing experience with Sloonei. Quin's read has seemed to have a good amount of mobility, with a mix of credit (i.e. not fence sitting) and discredit like what is seen in the exchange above. I consider that mobility to be a positive -- he is trying to be thorough with his read on the player he knows best with frequent reassessments and prods. I highlight this specific post because it represents a relative break in the progression, or at least my ability to follow it -- Quin, at this moment in time did you intend for this assertion to be a positive or negative reflection on Sloonei if either?

Day 2 rainbow

A couple questions:

1) What drove your reads on colonialbob and speedchuck at the time?
2) This was your most recent comprehensive reads list, so what has changed most significantly since?

Agreed

I like to see someone working through the differences between "hard to understand" and "suspicious" in their head, something evidenced by the highlighted disclaimer.


I don't think this is a change of heart that a mafioso would be eager to hand out. Quin made the observation in real-time, in the heat of the post-EOD2 dialogue, and I think it's a good look.

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Conclusion

Quin's brief posts and numerous prods don't look inspired (hi Quin) at face value in the full context of the thread, but it's easier to see visible progressions and purpose in the ISO context. The most significant grievance I stated here related to a single post about kylemii in the early going. That's a small thing. Otherwise I had more nice to say here. I lean civilian on Quin.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2017 9:44 am Seinfeld and it saved my ass for at least a phase.

Okay now what about those other things I said.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2017 8:09 pm

Elohcin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 8:04 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 6:26 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 5:46 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 5:05 pm I recall Epi once making the argument that Eloh is more invested in games when she has someone to talk to behind the scenes. In this game she's made multiple comments about the amount of effort she's been putting into getting caught up. Her tone in these posts has not been one of frustration or dejection, but instead she's seemed kind of gleeful about it, playing around and joking about her involvement. I like this attitude and approve of it in every way, which is why I feel dirty for turning it into a case against Eloh. If she is involved in BTSC, and has been since Day 1, then she's scum. And if this is the case and Epi's old argument is true, then her carefree attitude toward the avalanche of posts in this thread might be explained by her involvement with teammates behind the scenes. Or she's just having a jolly old time.

yeah I can see this. I feel like Eloh often gets mislynched for low activity, so I wouldn't be surprised if this is baddie eloh

I disagree. I don't think she gets mislynched for being a low poster. In fact, I don't think many people here do. I think she gets mislynched because she tends to say things that seem illogical, but I don't know that I could differentiate her baddie missteps from her civ missteps.

@Long Con I don't know if you ever answered my question, do you now hold the belief that the back and forth between you and Epi was a misunderstanding?

While I like Wilgy's recent activity, it's freaking me out a little bit. I don't recall him playing so straight forward a playstyle in... well, ever!

Epi, I appreciate your defense of me. I'd say that I read more than I skim. But I don't remember EVERYTHING I read or whi said what. This us why I try to post as I catch up. Even still....i feel like Inonly have time to answer what's asked of me and not enough time to form my own thoughts. That's why I did the rainbow list. I felt it would atnleast get my gut reads out there of who I feel I can trust. And Daisy is right, unfortunately. Even though I don't find my positions illogical, others often do. And this is why I am usually lynched.

Still reading...

This post makes me think Eloh is town. Would bad Eloh even bother with this mindset or pretending to have it? Probably not.

How to get mislynched chapter 4: Townread just about everybody

What mindset are you referring to exactly; what did Elohcin say here specifically which you feel is less/not applicable to a mafioso?