The Syndicate

hi everyone, i'm playing now. will catch up asap and start hunting for those damn small mountains.

feel free to summarize your reads /theories to me cos while I have tried to stay up to date with the thread ya'll are close to 2000 effing posts and that's inhumane for a game with 0 lynches and 0 nightkills.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 4:09 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 4:07 pm Effective immediately, dunya has replaced sprityo.

And now I have a sudden scumread on dunya.

after the pirates game, you are not one to joke around buddy

colonialbob wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 4:10 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 4:04 pm feel free to summarize your reads /theories to me cos while I have tried to stay up to date with the thread ya'll are close to 2000 effing posts and that's inhumane for a game with 0 lynches and 0 nightkills.

Everybody thinks I'm mafia even though I'm not :/

and I will let you know my thoughts on that asap.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 4:13 pm As of now I'm probably voting into jack/LC/speedchuck. But I've been relatively unplugged for a few days so I want to go back and do some rereading.

I will say though, after watching your last game as a sub, if you are one of the good guys, you have great intuition. Don't be afraid to follow it even if it leads you where the majority aren't looking.

k. continuing my reading.

can someone explain this a little bit more to me:

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 2:06 am

K2 wrote:Dear Mountains,

Day 1 could have gone better but it also definitely could have been much worse. Nutella is clearly a big mountain. I'm unsure about LC and Epignosis but I think we could benefit from them backing off each other for a little while. Jack should be getting more attention than he is; something feels off about him. Speedchuck too. DDL is not as active as I've seen him be before and it makes me nervous. There's 19 players, let's be careful not to let anyone slip through the cracks.

We have been provided with a second chance. Let's do our very best moving forward.

Sincerely,
Your Friendly Neighborhood K2

Night PMs are going out now.

is K2 just a random player like us with intuitions and suspicions that can be right or wrong, or does K2 have mod-verified knowledge?

can someone briefly summarize why they believe/don't believe nutella is clearly a big mountain?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 4:21 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 4:19 pm is K2 just a random player like us with intuitions and suspicions that can be right or wrong, or does K2 have mod-verified knowledge?

The former.

I recommend a quick scan of the role list on page 1.

I did that but I was wondering if I missed something about K2's revelations.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 4:35 pm Alright so I'm gonna go ahead and officially call out

I recently had the privilege of seeing how a civvie Mesk in Instant Mafia IV and I would describe her as.... loud, aggressive, and almost adversarial at times. In this game she has accused basically no one and her most tangible action was buddying up to me.

I understand that this has been a fast moving game at times and I was laying off for a while since i'd never seen her actually play before and maybe she is just usually bad at keeping up, but now I have and I know that's not necessarily the case. I know that a civvie Mesk is capable of an activity level that pushes the thread forward and I'm curious why we're not seeing that here.

She's one of the first people I ISOd and I looked into her posts, because she doesn't have many.

I was a little alarmed when I was lurking in the thread, before replacing into it, and noticed how she stood her ground with a "no reads on day 1" policy. I felt this went against everything she'd told me about how important day 1s are and how we went and did her exercise in a game solely run based on day 1s to show the relevance of real scum hunting on day 1 and that if townies put effort in it, they could actually scum hunt. This felt like insincere reasoning to me, however at this point and considering her lack of drive, I'm going to call it as uninterested townie rather than hidden scum, seeing as she hasn't posted in here in 6 days.

Oh sorry, I had to remove your @ mention when typing my post because it would keep on popping out for me and annoying me. I forgot to replace it when I ended but I was talking about @Mesk514.

sig wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 11:50 am The only other role would be the 3rd party. Usually I'm very anti Third party, however it doesn't appear that this role is a SK so I don't care much and would rather focus on mafia. Therefore one of them must be a civ.

We've had 2 nights. No kills, and no lynches, which is a good thing. However, the third party in a game like this may very well be a bomber role. Every night a bomber can plant a bomb on a mountain and detonate once (after all bombs are extinguished) in the game.

I ISOd sig, and I have a town read on him. He's playing like he did in previous games I've played with him in. I don't see anything alarming and his low post count does not trigger me anymore.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 2:32 pm

Mesk514 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 4:45 am
1 - Crazy cake lady, I'm absolutely obsessed with your avatar...

2 - Not too sure how I feel about Epiklsflaflgadfjlghfg (i can't spell) but the first few pages I was actually thinking questioning how one could be so confident on a players alignment. I was totally imaging some big buff he man like dude walking up and being like HEY, THESE TWO FUCKERS ARE GOOOOD ARRRRRRRRR I NO VOTE THEM, ARRR and while I feel intimidated into wanting to believe them... honey, i don't know you and you don't know me... at least take me on a date once before you try and assert your dominance

dis crazy cake ladys gone come bust an ass if you try an get wid my man again. Only I call him honey. An you is right! Hes just like he-man baby!



Okay...back to catching up. I feel like that's all I've done in this game. I hate being behind.

contender for my favorite post in the game so far.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 5:00 pm dunya, were you reading along with the thread as it went?

some days/nights. When I had time and wasn't feeling groggy from the flu.
Don't worry, I'll be all caught up by tomorrow. 40+ pages is light reading for me.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 5:04 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 5:02 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 5:00 pm dunya, were you reading along with the thread as it went?

some days/nights. When I had time and wasn't feeling groggy from the flu.
Don't worry, I'll be all caught up by tomorrow. 40+ pages is light reading for me.

I'm not worried. Jumping into ISO's seemed like a strange way to *begin* catching up unless you'd already read some and hand at least a little context so I wanted to veeymify

no, i'm familiar with the thread and players.
Besides, this is how I do my best thinking.

ok, gonna throw a q out here while I look for answers: what's the leading theory on why there wasn't a lynch day 2?

what is "PoE"?

let me start by saying I get good town vibes from Sloonei by reading as a lurker, and as I continue to plough through this thread. He is in his town meta for me, helpful, assertive, shit flinger of all. I like it.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2017 10:27 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2017 9:08 am This is me checking in. I won't be able to really get read up on this game until this afternoon once I am home from work. But I am here!

This post wins my vote for shadiest introduction. Pretend the Day 1 poll is up and my vote is on Daisy.

This was quoted several times by Sloonei, after this post even. I'm sure he's already answered "why?" but I am quoting it in case I don't easily spot the why, since I actually felt it a sincere 1st post from Daisy. No red flags. Especially after her last game, where she wasn't as present due to RL kicking her in the balls (and also she had many guests at the same time). If you've already explained the Why in detail, don't bother explaining again. I just want to make a physical note of my thought process and reads for other players to be able to get a better read on me too.

linki: sloonei in the house.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 5:16 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 4:04 pm feel free to summarize your reads /theories to me cos while I have tried to stay up to date with the thread ya'll are close to 2000 effing posts and that's inhumane for a game with 0 lynches and 0 nightkills.

sprityo was scum

it certainly wouldn't be the first time you've been wrong, Sloonei, but you are wrong, I assure you. Pinky promise.

new random thought: some shit was flung Daisy's way and she handled it pretty well considering it was Day 0. This does not reflect well on her if we take her meta into consideration. Last two games I've played with her, when shit was flung her townie way, she kinda flipped.

please don't flip on me daisy, i'm still going through post by post again and ISOing everyone. So give me till tomorrow before I vote and then you can flip on me.

so PoE is Process of Elimination. Why would they want to lynch Dom as PoE? Because of inactivity?

what does w/w mean?

you guys sure use a lot of abbreviations, lazy arses.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 9:41 am And now, the game is really afoothill!

*crickets*

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:40 am I might be persuaded to go with Epi today, but as of right now I'd not be willing to put a definitive vote on him.

How's the fence treating you?

*vote sloons*

I don't like this at all. In context, Sloonei was the first one to give any viable reason for an Epi lynch that wasn't silly feud stuff like Quin (who I town read ftr). He flung his shit, it was Day 0, of course he wasn't casting a vote on Epi. I don't like this rush to claim he's sitting on the fence because of uncertainty. It's a completely townie emotion to be on the fence and not want to start an easy bandwagon (which voting for Epi would have clearly been if we gauge everyone else's responses). If anything, his hesitation further illustrate Super-Town-Sloon imo.

if my catch up posts annoy everyone, I'll use spoilers to not distract from "current-day" activities.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 5:42 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 5:41 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 5:39 pm so PoE is Process of Elimination. Why would they want to lynch Dom as PoE? Because of inactivity?

what does w/w mean?

you guys sure use a lot of abbreviations, lazy arses.

"Wolf/wolf". Meaning both players in the pairing are bad.

If I say sloonei and Dunya are not w/w, it means I don't think that they make sense as scum teammates.

thanks guys. I've not played in games where scums are called "wolf" really, so that's new to me.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 10:53 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:11 am He's buddying them, and then intimidating you out of an adversarial position. He's setting up a long game. That's not what Civ Epignosis cares to do.

This again, about what a "civilian Epignosis" cares to do. You really should write a book about me, since you're such an expert.

Saying I won't vote someone Day 1 for catching my Elton John reference is not "setting up a long game."

Finding a reason to believe Mesk is civilian and in the next hour reevaluating that reason is, again, not "setting up a long game."

Intimidating Sloonei (if that's what you want to call it, since I don't believe Sloonei can be intimidated in Mafia, and even if he could, what would I have to gain by intimidating him if I could just kill him Night 1?) is not "setting up a long game."

You are implying that "setting up a long game" is something I, as mafia, would do on Day 1. That is mistaken. The fact is I don't bother with long term planning Day 1 when I am bad. It's antithetical to success in most cases, because to be good at being bad, one must be flexible and able to dance. And I am a fine dancer.

this is a second contender for favorite post in the thread.

tbf, I have only played 1 game Epi has hosted. I also played briefly with him under disguise in Seinfeld mafia. His first few posts did not trigger any alarms, indeed, had Quin not started the Epi train of conversation, I very much doubt anyone would have looked his way. I like how he reads in the beginning of the thread and then later in the end. There are a few posts in the middle of all the shit being flung his way that may rub me the wrong way, however, I genuinely believe under attack--anyone will lose a few fuses and seem slightly more suspicious.

Town read on Epi so far.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:09 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 11:01 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 10:07 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:08 am Put a vote on Spacedaisy. Do we believe her guilt to be coming from a place of empathy for game hosts everywhere, or from her role card?

I think the Spacedaisy guilt line of questioning is weak. I hate "I'm not that bad at being bad" defenses but if you can rephrase to "most players are not that bad at being bad," it is an acceptable counterattack.

Didn't come across that way, though. Still don't think Daisy gets guilty over being scum.

I don't. I kind of enjoy being scum. And I'm trying to overtake Epi still for top FEB, though lately I have suffered a setback because I haven't been rolling scum. And this game won't offer me the opportunity either. I'm not scum. I'm a big mountain.

Also I'm sorry you hate that defense, but it was really less of a defense and more annoyance that Sloonei could possibly think I'd be that bad at playing scum.

I would never do ab&c as scum and therefore the best time to do ab&c would be as scum to fool people.

Also, people get lazy.

Ergo "I am not that bad at being bad" or "I wouldn't say that if I was bad" arguement a tend to be super unconvincing to me.

I hate unconvincing arguements. That's where the hate is coming from.

this post bugs the hell out of me, it pinged me as a lurker and it still pings me now.

Daisy didn't really have an argument or a defense: Sloonei questioned her authenticity based on "hi guys, i'm busy, sorry, will check in later!!!"

I mean, I'm on the fence re: Daisy, but if someone came at me like that there wouldn't be much context to defend would there? Do you want us to tell you we work 8-10 hours a day and received our roles at an unfortunate moment and feel bad about our past performances due to inactivity which may have resulted in a negative affect on the games we played as townies?

Unconvincing my arse, mister High Expectations. Seems like someone is really grasping at straws here.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 6:00 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 5:36 pm please don't flip on me daisy, i'm still going through post by post again and ISOing everyone. So give me till tomorrow before I vote and then you can flip on me.

I don't know what you mean by flip on me...

I mean don't attack me / hate me / come at me (yet).

I went through Long Con / Epi episode (seems there's always one person Long Con tunnels in all the games for Day 1). I followed it as it was happening too, and there was no way Long Con was scum, and I'm going to extend my town read to Epi again. Sometimes we get a bit of tunnel vision, I know a lot about that, especially as someone who likes to trust gut instincts; I often feel powerless when I try to change my gut reads and end up following them (they have been wrong sometimes....not my finest moments).

I'm glad the argument happened, though. I don't at all see it as fake or staged (as some people mentioned). It felt very authentic and very frustrating to both (moreso Epi I'd say as Long Con was receiving a following). K2's advice of them heeding off each other was well in its place.

just to give you an update so far

town
dunya
nutella
sloonei
sig
long con
eloh
epi
quin
mesk

maybe towns
daisy
ddl

maybe scum
jack


this is where my current head is at. I need a tea break, brb

Elohcin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 6:15 pm I've enjoyed reading dunya's catch up posts.

I want to address mesk's play. Who was it that said they had played with her as civ before and she was really fierce? She seems so genuine to me, but that info doesn't allign with her behavior. I think she needs to be up for discussion today.

Linki...by the way... I can never address linki because on my phone, the left side of linki gets cut off for some reason. Just thought I'd share.

I don't think her absence for 6 days is indicative of her alignment. That's what I would like to sway people away from.
Yes, as town, a wrongly accused town, she gets very vocal and aggressively defensive. She hasn't been on the frying pan though, indeed, she hasn't even been on the forum for 6 days so....we can't say she's scum because she's not here.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:39 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:53 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 10:59 am If Long Con is a civilian, then is most likely means he is genuine in his suspicion of me.

If his suspicion is genuine, then his accusation that I am being deliberate and calculating in my dealings thus far should be one that he can logically explain.

Already done, but you want more words?

In other words, if I know what I'm doing (i.e., being deliberate in "setting up a long game"), and Long Con is calling me out on that, then he should be able to explain how my actions in the thread so far will benefit my team and me down the road. What is the long game and how am I expecting it to play out?

Uh, you pick two Civs and buddy them so they trust you and don't lynch you. Long game benefit: survival, and more likely to lynch Civs along the way. You intimidate Sloonei out of coming after you. Benefit: One less Civ coming after you; survival; more likely to lynch a Civ along the way.

If he can't answer that, then his suspicion isn't genuine, and he's trying to get a quick and easy Day 1 lynch out of the way.

Let's get this quick and easy Day 1 lynch out of the way, folks!

Point LC.

Epi is perhaps the best dancer on the site. There is nothing "quick and easy" about trying to mislynch him on Day 1. This feels like trying to scare away votes, not a legit attempt to scumhunt, which is exactly what Epi is already accused of doing with Sloonei.

Combined with suspicious nonlynchcandidate declarations, I think this is worthy of a vote.

PS: What is my tell?

can someone explain this post, I don't really understand. Was Jack agreeing with LC or Epi? It seems very strangely worded. He uses "mislynch", when lynching Epi would be ---- lynching him --- until the mod revealed what his alliance was. If he was saying Epi is worthy of a vote, why would he call it a "mislynch"? Am I missing something? Maybe lost in translation?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 6:41 pm I do remember wanting to lynch Sprityo in the ancient times of Post Day 2 so I guess I'll leave my vote there.

there is no sprityo, there's dunya now.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 6:42 pm Eh where is the poll?

it's hidden, saving you the embarrassment of placing a wrong vote on me.

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 6:41 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:39 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:53 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 10:59 am If Long Con is a civilian, then is most likely means he is genuine in his suspicion of me.

If his suspicion is genuine, then his accusation that I am being deliberate and calculating in my dealings thus far should be one that he can logically explain.

Already done, but you want more words?

In other words, if I know what I'm doing (i.e., being deliberate in "setting up a long game"), and Long Con is calling me out on that, then he should be able to explain how my actions in the thread so far will benefit my team and me down the road. What is the long game and how am I expecting it to play out?

Uh, you pick two Civs and buddy them so they trust you and don't lynch you. Long game benefit: survival, and more likely to lynch Civs along the way. You intimidate Sloonei out of coming after you. Benefit: One less Civ coming after you; survival; more likely to lynch a Civ along the way.

If he can't answer that, then his suspicion isn't genuine, and he's trying to get a quick and easy Day 1 lynch out of the way.

Let's get this quick and easy Day 1 lynch out of the way, folks!

Point LC.

Epi is perhaps the best dancer on the site. There is nothing "quick and easy" about trying to mislynch him on Day 1. This feels like trying to scare away votes, not a legit attempt to scumhunt, which is exactly what Epi is already accused of doing with Sloonei.

Combined with suspicious nonlynchcandidate declarations, I think this is worthy of a vote.

PS: What is my tell?

can someone explain this post, I don't really understand. Was Jack agreeing with LC or Epi? It seems very strangely worded. He uses "mislynch", when lynching Epi would be ---- lynching him --- until the mod revealed what his alliance was. If he was saying Epi is worthy of a vote, why would he call it a "mislynch"? Am I missing something? Maybe lost in translation?

I think re-reading Jack's post, I see he is defending Epi not giving a point to LC. Confusing.
I still take issue with "mislynch" being used even in this context. Feels very revealing.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:56 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:48 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:46 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:32 pm
Classic. "If you can't do a ton of research and find that I acted the exact same way previously, then your accusation can't be right." Do people still buy that forced-meta crap?

If you can't back up your accusations with, you know, facts, you should reconsider your accusations (if they are indeed genuine). I wasn't asking anybody to do any research. You can't do any such research unless you have access to old BTSC. I asked if anybody could point to a time I made some elaborate endgame-in-mind scheme on Day 1. Memory is all anybody needs for that.

But I can go ahead and say the answer to that is no, because it isn't how I operate. You can keep claiming I'm operating in a way I never have before if it's convenient for you.

why did you say you won't be voting for cbob or mesk today?

I said I wouldn't vote for colonialbob today because he got my Elton John reference. I appreciated that.

I said I wouldn't vote for Mesk because of how she responded to the question about being big or little. She said she didn't know. That gave me the impression that she isn't aware that the mafia faction are little mountains, as she said she didn't know much about dirt. Without having any other experience with Mesk, I found that to be a guileless response.

My good opinion of Mesk went south when she said, "I'm pretty sure someone told me a civilian is scum" because that does look like trying too hard to be ignorant (no offense intended).

just to clarify here, although it is out of game related, I did ask her about the ~civ~ thing when I played on her forum. Everyone was calling other "civs" and she was on discord chat with me so I asked. She told me it referred to Civilian/Vanilla Townie. I did not tell her I use civilian as scum, only that in my experience and games I've played, we didn't refer to townies as "civs" so I wasn't sure what they were going on about. She may have misinterpreted my question. I don't hold this against her.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 6:53 pm Wrong.

"Point LC." Giving LC points.

"Epi is perhaps the best dancer on the site. There is nothing "quick and easy" about trying to mislynch him on Day 1. This feels like trying to scare away votes, not a legit attempt to scumhunt, which is exactly what Epi is already accused of doing with Sloonei."
Epi's post said that LC was trying to get an "easy mislynch out of the way." Long Con is pointing out that Epi is not an easy mislynch, and Jack is giving LC points for that observation about Epi. Jack is agreeing with LC that the use of "easy day one (mis)lynch" is more of a scare tactic from Epi than a defense.

To put it short:
Epi - "LC is trying to get me lynched nice and easy on D1"
LC - "You aren't an easy target Epi. That wasn't a defense, just a warning."
Jack - "I agree! Point to LC, vote for Epi."

Not sure what the last two lines mean, but Jack is agreeing with LC here and voting for Epi.

So my first read was right, but in your summary you used "mislynch" when that word wasn't used initially. Epi did not call it a mislynch, even though he should have been the one yelling it would be a mislynch if he's defending his innocence. Long Con did not call it a mislynch, either, since he was adamant about Epi's scumminess. Why would Jack call it a mislynch? It seems very strange way of thinking when you're out to accuse someone. "You're not a fast and easy mislynch" -- what...?

The word mislynch would be on someone's mind who knew it was a mislynch imo.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:11 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:51 pm I'd really like to hear @Mesk514's thoughts on current events. My thoughts are clouded by past meta and I think an outsiders' viewpoint could bring some clarity

I don't like this post. In Pirates mafia (the one and only game I've ever seen Kyle play to this point), he was an active force early in the game. He's been more passive so far in this game, so I prodded him for reads. Five minutes later, he came out with this, absent of content but calling for more content from the newcomer. This post is fluff and an excuse to delay participation in the game.

Yes, my line of thinking too. I've been town with Kyle and I've played in a game with scum Kyle. So far, this is scum Kyle. far more laid back and lurkerish than townie Kyle who has nothing to hide. I don't feel comfortable at all with Kyle's activity Day 0+ Day 1. His post after Sloonei prodded him reads as filler "I was waiting to see what LC and Epi had to say..." I mean come on. Townie Kyle would be the driving force behind the discussion. My money would be Kyle is either our third-party rogue or scum right now, but leaning loner rogue at this point.

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:55 pm Sloonei, you think Kyle is a baddun? Show me the goods.

I'd like to see quin show us some goods rather than ask for everyone else to show him the goods all the time.

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 3:11 pm On Kyle - Obvious difference in the amount of posts between pirate Mafia and this one, even considering shorter phase lengths and the whole debacle at EoD1. Looks bad at face value, like a baddie who can't insert himself properly but I won't condemn him on that alone. We (or I) don't know where to set the baseline for his civilian game.

His content here isn't really fluff, but his thoughts haven't come together in the thread the way I'd like given the 24 hour day phases. They're not particularly useful to me as they are. I'd like some more elaborated stuff from him soon if he's up to it.

oh wow, quin makes good reads.

I played a game where he was scum, and he was definitely more visibly uncomfortable, it took him a prod to get him to enter the thread, he was holding back and not as open or free with his suspicions or reads, was reserved and more careful in what he said. I like to think Kyle is very impulsive and quick witted as town. As anti-town, his posts are slightly more calculated so they won't leave any trails behind.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 7:27 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 7:11 pmTownie Kyle would be the driving force behind the discussion.

This seems like a strange conclusion to come to based on our experiences together since I was 100% not a driving force behind anything in Pirates.

My money would be Kyle is either our third-party rogue or scum right now, but leaning loner rogue at this point.

Also a kind of strange leap? What part of my gameplay is so strongly indie that you're leaning towards me being the alignment that only 5% of players are?

is it strange? A driving force behind "discussion taking place", not behind anything else. You're someone who creates discussion, asks questions, reaches theories and loosely based conclusions even. You're not one to sit back and see how one person responds to another before making an appearance in the thread, sorry.

as for why I am leaning rogue; call it intuition. I can't see you as someone with team mates atm -- not from your posts or people's posts directed towards you. I also can't see you as town. PoE -- process of elimination

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 7:24 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 6:06 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:09 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 11:01 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 10:07 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:08 am Put a vote on Spacedaisy. Do we believe her guilt to be coming from a place of empathy for game hosts everywhere, or from her role card?

I think the Spacedaisy guilt line of questioning is weak. I hate "I'm not that bad at being bad" defenses but if you can rephrase to "most players are not that bad at being bad," it is an acceptable counterattack.

Didn't come across that way, though. Still don't think Daisy gets guilty over being scum.

I don't. I kind of enjoy being scum. And I'm trying to overtake Epi still for top FEB, though lately I have suffered a setback because I haven't been rolling scum. And this game won't offer me the opportunity either. I'm not scum. I'm a big mountain.

Also I'm sorry you hate that defense, but it was really less of a defense and more annoyance that Sloonei could possibly think I'd be that bad at playing scum.

I would never do ab&c as scum and therefore the best time to do ab&c would be as scum to fool people.

Also, people get lazy.

Ergo "I am not that bad at being bad" or "I wouldn't say that if I was bad" arguement a tend to be super unconvincing to me.

I hate unconvincing arguements. That's where the hate is coming from.

this post bugs the hell out of me, it pinged me as a lurker and it still pings me now.

Daisy didn't really have an argument or a defense: Sloonei questioned her authenticity based on "hi guys, i'm busy, sorry, will check in later!!!"

I mean, I'm on the fence re: Daisy, but if someone came at me like that there wouldn't be much context to defend would there? Do you want us to tell you we work 8-10 hours a day and received our roles at an unfortunate moment and feel bad about our past performances due to inactivity which may have resulted in a negative affect on the games we played as townies?

Unconvincing my arse, mister High Expectations. Seems like someone is really grasping at straws here.

Hiya, Dunya.

Specifically what straws? What do you think a baddie Jack is trying to accomplish with this post?

hey Jack!

well, let's go back to the original post. Daisy says something along the lines of "hi guys, i'm busy, sorry, will check in later!!!" Sloonei goes full heated "This REEKS of scum" on her. She says come on, give me more credit.

You used a lot of ~strong~ adjectives to describe her attempts at a rebuffal (THIS IS A REAL WORD WHY DOES CHROME UNDERLINE IT?), such as "hate" and "unconvincing" for a Slooeni-->Daisy accusation that is quite frankly as weak as hot water cocoa. You're grasping at straws, trying to make something appear a lot more significant than it is.

FTR, a townie dunya has quite often used the line "Would I really do that as scum?" because townies do act differently whether you care to admit it or not. We are much looser with our words and actions. In Seinfeld, I asked JJJ that question 100 times, and 100 times he'd say yes. But in the end I was town, and I certainly would not have attracted any attention towards me by being vocally opposing everyone if I was scum--hello Epi, hello Long Con.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 7:37 pm I would also like to point out that my activity level in instant mafia iteration 1 was not necessarily all to do with alignment. I didn't want to post because of the Bad Vibes, and Weird Atmosphere.

But even if it were a direct correlation, I had the 2nd lowest # of posts in that game out of 10 players; in this game I'm 4th from the top in a game of 20.

please note I specifically called you out for your day 0 + day 1 contributions. There was a lot happening, a lot of attention and arguments directed at other players. You pretty much sidelined it imho.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 5:10 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:05 am @Long Con Lost Again 3 comes to mind. But whatever man. I don't feel the need to prove I can play a good scum game. Especially given the fact that I am not scum in this game.

That's exactly what Scumdaisy would say.

Since DrWilgy is here (hi! *wave)
Can you please elaborate more on this specifically as I have a mixed read on Daisy so far. I have never played with ScumDaisy before.

I'm leaving

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 7:37 pm I would also like to point out that my activity level in instant mafia iteration 1 was not necessarily all to do with alignment. I didn't want to post because of the Bad Vibes, and Weird Atmosphere.

But even if it were a direct correlation, I had the 2nd lowest # of posts in that game out of 10 players; in this game I'm 4th from the top in a game of 20.

also I'd like to debunk this excuse here by saying his second instant mafia game on the same forum with "Bad Vibes" resulted in him being the third highest poster - 130 posts in a 1day game.

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:03 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 7:37 pm I would also like to point out that my activity level in instant mafia iteration 1 was not necessarily all to do with alignment. I didn't want to post because of the Bad Vibes, and Weird Atmosphere.

But even if it were a direct correlation, I had the 2nd lowest # of posts in that game out of 10 players; in this game I'm 4th from the top in a game of 20.

also I'd like to debunk this excuse here by saying his second instant mafia game on the same forum with "Bad Vibes" resulted in him being the third highest poster - 130 posts in a 1day game.

he was town in the second game

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:02 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:01 pmI'm leaving

Come on, you love it!

I do not. I specifcially gave you a 5min explanation why it sucks

but ok, for JJJ, I'll do it.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:08 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:04 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:03 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 7:37 pm I would also like to point out that my activity level in instant mafia iteration 1 was not necessarily all to do with alignment. I didn't want to post because of the Bad Vibes, and Weird Atmosphere.

But even if it were a direct correlation, I had the 2nd lowest # of posts in that game out of 10 players; in this game I'm 4th from the top in a game of 20.

also I'd like to debunk this excuse here by saying his second instant mafia game on the same forum with "Bad Vibes" resulted in him being the third highest poster - 130 posts in a 1day game.

he was town in the second game

Absolutely false. :0 I had 66 posts in the instant game I was mafia in. You had the highest number of posts at 169.

That was the first instant mafia you were scum in.

I was illustrating how your excuse of not having posts was related to Bad Vibes was a scummy excuse since you played a second game, where you were town, and were third highest poster with 133 posts.