The Syndicate

Hallo

I'm with Sloonei (and LC, wow, what a surprise, it's el clásico again and everything is predictable and nothing hurts)

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:52 am

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:43 am I'm with Sloonei (and LC, wow, what a surprise, it's el clásico again and everything is predictable and nothing hurts)

Are you more inclined toward my hesitance or LC's confidence?

The former, I guess. Mostly I agree with the sentiments you've expressed about why Quin's reasoning is fine for day 1, and probably enough to join Quin and LC in an epi vote if I don't get anything better for a day 1 reason

okay this has turned into nonsensical arguments that are getting us nowhere. remind me to never again sign up for a game with both Epi and LC because it just always turns into this and we never make progress

I'm voting for Jack ok gg

lol jack if you think me being lazy is a scumtell you haven't played with me enough. you were spoiled in phenon, that was one of my best civ performances. I am normally lazy af and flipflopping all over the place, anyone can tell you that. I'm trying to change up my style anyway so it's less obvious, and have decided to go with a fast-and-loose, whatever-I-feel-like-saying style this game, and I've decided you're bad so I'm voting for you and I decided not to get deeply involved in discussion because, yeah, I'm lazy, deal with it

linki: wait you think I'm epi's scumbuddy? lol what? I very nearly voted for him first. I'm fine with him being lynched.

huh didn't realize LC was getting so many votes. I'll change to Epi then because nobody agrees with me about Jack and I'd much rather Epi get lynched than LC. Though I'm not discounting the possibility that LC is bad either

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:44 pm I'll join nutella in her Jack vote for his scumslip.

wait what? is it him saying "a few good townies" or something else that I'm missing

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:48 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:46 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:44 pm I'll join nutella in her Jack vote for his scumslip.

wait what? is it him saying "a few good townies" or something else that I'm missing

When I asked him how his post was a scum tell, he said "I don't know" instead of "It's not a scumtell, and cannot be because I'm a Civ."

ah see I didn't entirely follow that thread since y'all kept screwing up the quotes. but I agree with your initial assessment of his sprityo prodding-- that was part of what made me decide he's bad.


vote returning to jack

colonialbob -- don't know
Dom -- eastern
Dragon D. Luffy -- eastern i think (brazil)
DrWilgy -- don't know
Elohcin -- eastern
Epignosis -- eastern
Glorfindel -- uhh I forget
Jackofhearts2005 -- don't know
Kylemii -- pacific
Long Con -- eastern
Mesk514 -- don't know
MovingPictures07 -- central
nutella -- pacific
Quin -- oz
sig -- don't know
Sloonei -- eastern i think?
Spacedaisy -- central
speedchuck -- not sure
sprityo -- not sure

hahahahhah very no

well sprit all I can say is I sure am icy, ha ha

Let's at least make this a tie k

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 1:30 am

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 1:24 am Let's at least make this a tie k

Actually nevermind Nutella is bad

Sorry, what? You clearly misunderstood what I just said

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 1:31 am

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 1:24 am Let's at least make this a tie k

Can you respond to some of the things I've said about you?

ok, for one thing, I did feel at the time that the epi/LC thing was not getting us anywhere because we have no real basis for suspecting the alignment of either one of them; I suppose it did at least contribute to generating day 1 discussion but I am personally sick of their ongoing feud because it always feels the same and drags on forever.

I suspect Jack for mainly gut reasons, but I can point to his weird prod of sprityo/asking for impressions on his alignment at the very beginning of the game, as well as his confident yet misguided interpretation of my meta, plus his back-and-forth with LC that LC called out as a soft slip, plus his odd assessment of Epi and the post where he analyzes nonexistent connections between me and Epi (and makes another softslip in "a few good townies voting for epi"

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 1:36 am @nutella there are enough people here to swing almost anything else, why try to make a tie between yourself and LC? You haven't expressed any suspicion towards him stronger than "he might be bad"

unless it looks like people are going to suddenly shift the lynch in the next 20 minutes, I would rather have a tie than definitely get lynched, since I know I'm town and could see LC as bad

but like if you want to CFD onto someone else I'd be cool with that too

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 1:45 am

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 1:35 am nvm. Might have been Kyle.

me

i can't allow Nutella the security of a potential tie, not with someone I think is civ

why do you think LC is civ and why do you think I'm not?

unrelated but [mention]MovingPictures07[/mention] voting for yourself just so you can tick off the "I Voted!" box doesn't count. If you're not going to have time to read at least a couple posts and throw a semi-meaningful vote on someone, don't sign up for games at all.

[mention]Spacedaisy[/mention] [mention]Dom[/mention] [mention]DrWilgy[/mention] [mention]Glorfindel[/mention] [mention]Mesk514[/mention] [mention]sig[/mention] come vote. and not for yourselves.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 1:54 am

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 1:45 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 1:45 am

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 1:35 am nvm. Might have been Kyle.

me

i can't allow Nutella the security of a potential tie, not with someone I think is civ

why do you think LC is civ and why do you think I'm not?

most recently because you've come into the thread to save yourself by creating a tie against someone you don't strongly suspect while we were in the middle of discussing alternate options

Oh and I created the tie (albeit temporarily), huh? And how, pray tell, do you think I might have done that?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 1:59 am @nutella got any legacy reads? It appears you're on the way out.

Jack, Quin, and Kyle are my scum reads. And all pretty good scrabble words. Most likely not all three of them are bad, and one or two of the inactives are, but those are where I'd start.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 2:06 am

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 2:03 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 1:59 am @nutella got any legacy reads? It appears you're on the way out.

Jack, Quin, and Kyle are my scum reads. And all pretty good scrabble words. Most likely not all three of them are bad, and one or two of the inactives are, but those are where I'd start.

these might be my three strongest town reads

And I may well be wrong and you may be right about any of them. Just thought I'd throw something out there.

[mention]Marmot[/mention] any chance you can tell us how ties are handled?

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 2:21 am I need to put lasagne on.

due to your earlier post about tagging I'm just going to assume that "lasagne" is code for "Mesk" from now on

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 4:28 pm lol, we seem to be having these type of conversations a lot this game, don't we Jack.

Don't take anything I say too seriously at the moment, I'm trying to just read things and think them through. I'm feeling very indecisive about how I am interpreting things at the moment.

If I have a hard and fast accusation to make, I will make it and you will know it.

I'm quite enjoying this version of daisy.

I can also tell I'm going to like Mesk. Fun posts to read, those were.

Now that I'm not dead (for now at least...) I'll see what I can do to sort out those reads I hastily mentioned. I've given a handful of reasons for my Jack suspicion, but depending on how the discussion goes I might back off of that a little and keep an open mind about him. Still probably my most likely vote candidate as of right now. As for Quin and Kyle, those were just a couple names that I decided to throw out there based on very minor gut feelings and the sense that I needed to suspect some of the more active/civ-passing players so as not to let them slip by with unfounded civ cred in case they are bad. Like I got the sense that Quin was making himself look very active while not actually saying much in the way of substantial/original ideas. Idk, I have some ISOs to look at.

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:34 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2017 11:58 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2017 11:40 pmI'm better at being scum than that Sloonei.

Can you provide proof of this?

idk but this is a perfect opportunity to reaffirm that I'm a better mafia than Epignosis.

Good to know...

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 4:36 pm Mm. I thought I had a valid point but it got skipped over in Epi's catch up. I've realised my error but I already did the hyperlink and everything, so a response would be nice.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:12 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:53 pm
Uh, you pick two Civs and buddy them so they trust you and don't lynch you. Long game benefit: survival, and more likely to lynch Civs along the way. You intimidate Sloonei out of coming after you. Benefit: One less Civ coming after you; survival; more likely to lynch a Civ along the way.

Wait a minute.

How does Long Con know Mesk, coolonialbob, and Sloonei are civilians?

A valid question.

Alright I'm gonna go all Epi-style on this one. "Valid" is currently perhaps one of the most overused words in the English language. This post is devoid of meaning. All it really accomplishes is to express a "+1" sentiment toward Epi's question/"catch" of LC's so-called "slip", and a bit of a turnaround since Quin had been originally going hard against Epi.

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 5:06 pm

Long Con wrote:

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 5:03 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 4:36 pmHow does Long Con know Mesk, coolonialbob, and Sloonei are civilians?

A valid question.

I already let someone else prove it's not valid. Are you following along ok?

Yes sir. It's still a valid train of thought. You're not immune to scum slips.

Now he's on a hot pursuit for this possible slip. The way Quin jumps on this just reeks of opportunistic baddie to me.

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 5:15 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2017 11:58 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2017 11:40 pmI'm better at being scum than that Sloonei.

Can you provide proof of this?

Why was it necessary to have her prove this?

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:05 am @Long Con Lost Again 3 comes to mind. But whatever man. I don't feel the need to prove I can play a good scum game. Especially given the fact that I am not scum in this game.

I also like this response. Quickly ending a conversation which seems of non-import to me. Unless LC wanted to glean something from it, in which case, read quote one.

Small thing I found amusing here. Quin expresses that he felt a conversation was pointless. Same thing he accused me of with regards to Epi vs. LC -- wanting to stifle discussion even if it might generate D1 content.

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 5:37 pm guys im on a roll give me more people to postspam

Eager boy!! Doggie wants his bone!
This could easily be more of a town style indicator, but I don't want to underestimate Quin's wifom capabilities. Like I said earlier, I'm wary of players who might be hiding in plain sight behind a hefty post count.

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 5:42 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:30 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:22 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:21 am
How many times have you seen me cast a single vote on Day 1 and leave it there?

Was I supposed to be paying attention to you all this time? I'm sorry.

I'm saying I throw my votes around willynilly on every Day 1 that I ever play in. You're usually pretty on the ball about what goes on in game threads, but you've seldom been skeptical of me for doing this in the past.

This is fair. Even if you don't pay that much attention you can get a general idea of what a person likes if you play with them enough. For example, I know that around Day 3 Jack and I are going to tear each others throats out.

I'm looking forward to that, if both of you make it that long.

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:01 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:00 pm Agreed with Quin Epi, Nutella bad.

Nutella being lazy is a scumtell. I don't think she thinks I'm bad nor thinks I'll get lynched but I'd rather....you know what? I'm not sure what Nutella is doing. We were teamed together and it was said that I focus too much on myself when I'm bad, as I focused too much on myself and tap danced to victory. So that's like...an unfriendly poke? But there's no weight behind it. It's not hunting. Feels like a distraction but it would only distract me onto her so...what is that for?

I don't want to switch to Nutella. I think she's more likely bad if Epi is bad and Epi is more likely to be bad if just one of them is. I dislike lynching people I suspect of being buddies with someone I suspect more. Like if we lynch Epi and he's town, I can revevaluate Nutella. If I lynch Nutella and she's town, I don't move on Epi. So why lynch Nutella first.

Anyhow, I think LC, Quin, Kyle, Sloonei are town in that order. Probably Bob too (don't listen to my Bob reads). Everyone else statistically probably town but not giving me reasons to think so.

I didn't just ISO like six people for second place. Re-evaluate your town reads, you jerk.

More of this openly tryhard-y crap.

And one other thing, he expresses a townread of Sloonei for a while, then turns on him with an accusation toward EOD. Just taking note of that development.

So that's all I've got for Quin. Could go either way on him, but there are definitely a few tidbits here that stick out as odd.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 4:54 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 3:28 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:40 pm lol jack if you think me being lazy is a scumtell you haven't played with me enough. you were spoiled in phenon, that was one of my best civ performances. I am normally lazy af and flipflopping all over the place, anyone can tell you that. I'm trying to change up my style anyway so it's less obvious, and have decided to go with a fast-and-loose, whatever-I-feel-like-saying style this game, and I've decided you're bad so I'm voting for you and I decided not to get deeply involved in discussion because, yeah, I'm lazy, deal with it

linki: wait you think I'm epi's scumbuddy? lol what? I very nearly voted for him first. I'm fine with him being lynched.

I like this post. I'm glad I didn't vote for nutella.

I think this new Nutella could be fun, but also a bit frustrating when getting down to the nitty gritty of scum-hunting.

Nutella... Are you fine with Epi being lynched because you think he's bad? Fine because you are bad and you know he isn't your teammate? Or, fine with him being lynched because you are apathetic this game?

Still catching up. I have to keep stopping so I can do RL shit. Why can't I just sit and read mafia all day?

I was fine with Epi as a D1 candidate. He's not my top suspect, but I agreed with the original buddying case and thought (and I guess still think) he might be bad.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 5:29 pm Just a friendly reminder that the buddying case on Epi was just the worst

why?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 5:36 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 5:31 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 5:29 pm Just a friendly reminder that the buddying case on Epi was just the worst

why?

All Epi did was throw out a couple of names that pleased him, in one form or another, and said he wasn't going to vote them D1.

Burden of proof on you guys. Give me a valid reason that this is scummy behavior. It doesn't make sense as a long game. Calling what Epi did "buddying" is like calling a D1 vote "hate mongering".

It's hard to argue against something that doesn't make sense, as Epi found out, but if you can explain the case in a way that doesn't sound insane, I'll give you some nebulous speedchuck points and rescind my opinion.

I just figured it wasn't typical Epi behavior. Quin said the "ok I'm voting for Epi, do you guys know why" thing and I instantly understood that he was reacting to Epi naming townreads (or at least people he wouldn't vote for, whatever) since he posted it right after the post in question, and I took Quin's post to imply that he found that to be specifically unusual for Epi to do. I have nothing against naming townreads as a D1 behavior in general, but specifically Epi doing so felt out of character.

Now I seem to recall a fairly recent strategy discussion, though I don't remember which game, about naming townreads on D1. It was between MP and maybe JJJ and maybe someone else, when MP was under scrutiny for naming townreads but no scumreads and was suspected of buddying/being able to confidently name townreads because if he was bad he'd know who was town. Maybe JJJ has input on this? Might not be relevant to this game at all but now I wish I remembered which game it was because it was an interesting discussion.

wait how does me being town affect the number of possible baddie roles cbob could be? I have no idea where your logic is coming from there. I haven't even interacted with cbob at all, I keep forgetting he's even in this game and don't remember anything he's done/said

Good puke Jay. I quite enjoyed the "meta pajamas" analogy. I also found your assessment of Jack to have merit and will keep that in mind as I sort out how I feel about him. And I agree with your funky vibes from DDL; even given that he's been posting while catching up, a lot of his posts have felt vague and directionless.

Tell me how you feel about all of the players whose usernames begin with S: sig, Sloonei, Spacedaisy, speedchuck, and sprityo.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 10:31 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 10:06 pm Good puke Jay. I quite enjoyed the "meta pajamas" analogy. I also found your assessment of Jack to have merit and will keep that in mind as I sort out how I feel about him. And I agree with your funky vibes from DDL; even given that he's been posting while catching up, a lot of his posts have felt vague and directionless.

Tell me how you feel about all of the players whose usernames begin with S: sig, Sloonei, Spacedaisy, speedchuck, and sprityo.

Without having done the deep digging yet that I'd like to do, I can spare some gut takes:

sig as a civilian pirate was more engaged and effortful in the high-octane Day 1 aboard the pirate ship than he was in this high-octane Day 1. Bad vibes.

Sloonei's thing about the eyeroll emoji amused me, and I don't know that I'd expect that flippant response to an accusation from Darth Sloonei. Good vibes.

Spacedaisy appears at a glance to be Doing Work. She has engaged numerous dialogues with an assertive tone, and is bringing the Big Posts. We don't always see this level of motivation from Annie. Good vibes.

speedchuck was willing to engage suspects pointedly, and he cut down his suspect pool with transparent civilian reads (or at least pledges not to lynch). I also like the tone he exhibited in his handling of the Epi/LC feud. Good vibes.

sprityo's posts don't offer much in the way of original contribution. Reads exist here but I don't follow their origins, and there's some piggy-backing happening. That's not ideal. Bad vibes.

All fantastically correct answers.

oh sweet no death! and I like K2's thoughts.

I'd be down for a DDL lynch

DDL's recent slew of posts have flipped him over to a town read. I'm back to being more likely to vote for Jack, but am open to other options.

I'm not interested in lynching Dom because I think he has most likely forgotten about the game and that is more likely to happen if he is civ than if he is bad, yeah?

Working on a rainbow.

Spacedaisy
Sloonei
speedchuck
Dragon D. Luffy
Dom
Kylemii
Mesk514
JaggedJimmyJay
Elohcin
Epignosis
Long Con
insertnamehere
colonialbob
DrWilgy
sig
Quin
sprityo
Jackofhearts2005

Sorry for so much yellow. I'm still very indecisive on a lot of folks.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 4:33 pm I didn't know Wilgy was playing in this game????

Yeah, that's...

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 4:32 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 4:28 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 4:24 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 4:18 pm Why is lynching a low poster being considered today?

I find it unlikely that all if the scum can be found among the talkative folks.
I'm not advocating a lynch of a low poster without exhausting all our other options first.

I'll never understand this mentality. Worst thing about it is that it always seems to be the case.

Thah'ts why I compared low posters to zero posters.

There is that guy who makes 3-4 posts a day and contributes nothing. Sprityo, Sig and Wilgy could count on that category (personally I think Sprityo looks bad and I have no read on the other 2).

There is that guy who makes 1 post every 2 days saying hi and is a prime candidate for a replacement. I. e. Dom.

I think the former type can be a worthy lynch (though I'd like to ISO any of them before deciding). The later is not.

Agreed. I would be happy to lynch any of Wilgy, Sig, or Sprityo. I think Dom is unlikely to be bad for the reason I stated (though Quin provided a counterexample)

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 4:37 pm I didn't even realise it was Thanksgiving.

It's tomorrow. Jay is just weird

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 4:38 pm RE: Jay, I am taking everything he says right now with a grain of salt because of this post right here:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 2:20 pm Hey gang. I've followed the game pretty closely so far and will puke up some perspectives/hot takes/sick, nasty content after class.

Any reads that he shares will be ideas that he conceived of prior to entering the game, so they will not be indicative of his alignment upon entry. They just show what he was thinking as a neutral observer.

He prodded me about my past activity as scum, which at least showed an active interest in doing further work, but that's all I've got on him so far.

Yeah. He hasn't convinced me yet that he's the usual supatown Jay we all know.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 4:42 pm Sig basically announced he will be inactive until Day 6. But my read on him is neutral so I dunno.

Then why on earth did he sign up?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 4:43 pm It's troubling me cus the only Dr.Wilgy I know is Pirate Wilgy and that Wilgy, despite his frustrating smiley antics had a significant thread presence, and by the time of his death had a number of baddie reads most of which turned out to be correct

Wilgy is a tough nut to crack. He's one of those people who gets mislynched on day 1 a lot, because he's sort of an enigma and as far as I can tell his style is usually pretty consistent regardless of his alignment. Except here. He's usually more active than this. I guess I can understand if he's not caught up, but I would have expected more than nothing from him by now.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 4:52 pm 24 hours ago he said he was put on his frog suit and said it was time to get serious so I hope we see some content soon

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 5:05 pm I recall Epi once making the argument that Eloh is more invested in games when she has someone to talk to behind the scenes. In this game she's made multiple comments about the amount of effort she's been putting into getting caught up. Her tone in these posts has not been one of frustration or dejection, but instead she's seemed kind of gleeful about it, playing around and joking about her involvement. I like this attitude and approve of it in every way, which is why I feel dirty for turning it into a case against Eloh. If she is involved in BTSC, and has been since Day 1, then she's scum. And if this is the case and Epi's old argument is true, then her carefree attitude toward the avalanche of posts in this thread might be explained by her involvement with teammates behind the scenes. Or she's just having a jolly old time.

yeah I can see this. I feel like Eloh often gets mislynched for low activity, so I wouldn't be surprised if this is baddie eloh

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 5:41 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 5:31 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 5:28 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 5:09 pm My motivation was that Kyle just asked me to weigh in on stuff I had already weighed in on. So I was like "no."

Who was I gonna save?

I have a problem with this. You and I were talking about the usefulness of using close lynches as a valid scum hunting tactic in appropriate contexts.

I asked you why the discussion was so important to you that you felt the need to respond so passionately about it and you never responded. The moment I invited you to discuss the options for the current lynch you decided you were done for the night and left.

Didn't I? And hadn't I already stated in extreme detail my feelings on LC, Epi and Nutella?

ISO me.

I literally just did. My point still stands.

"I've already said my opinions once so I refuse to think about them more or talk about them again when someone asks" is not a pro town attitude

especially when the person making the request is one of your town reads

g o o f f

jack

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 6:06 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 5:56 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 5:41 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 5:31 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 5:28 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 5:09 pm My motivation was that Kyle just asked me to weigh in on stuff I had already weighed in on. So I was like "no."

Who was I gonna save?

I have a problem with this. You and I were talking about the usefulness of using close lynches as a valid scum hunting tactic in appropriate contexts.

I asked you why the discussion was so important to you that you felt the need to respond so passionately about it and you never responded. The moment I invited you to discuss the options for the current lynch you decided you were done for the night and left.

Didn't I? And hadn't I already stated in extreme detail my feelings on LC, Epi and Nutella?

ISO me.

I literally just did. My point still stands.

"I've already said my opinions once so I refuse to think about them more or talk about them again when someone asks" is not a pro town attitude

especially when the person making the request is one of your town reads

g o o f f

jack

what's this mean?

sorry, the extra space didn't show up -- it's supposed to say "go off" which is a phrase expressing support of a spicy callout. I am expressing support of Kyle's accusation of Jack here

Placing a vote on Jack. I'm really not sure how I feel about Eloh. I will say that regardless of alignment I disapprove of her approach. If you're not going to read everything, don't act surprised when you don't understand what someone is referring to.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 7:12 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 2:03 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 1:59 am @nutella got any legacy reads? It appears you're on the way out.

Jack, Quin, and Kyle are my scum reads. And all pretty good scrabble words. Most likely not all three of them are bad, and one or two of the inactives are, but those are where I'd start.

You ISO'd Quin and talked more about Jack but I'd like to hear more from you re: Kyle.

I'm feeling more neutral/leaning civ on him. I looked at his ISO yesterday since I had thrown out his name and nothing particularly stood out. When I named him along with Quin when there was a possibility I'd die, I think I was getting a similar feel from him as from Quin and I thought he might be a possible baddie hiding behind what looks like heavy participation, but when I looked again I got more of a town read. Still neutral yellow on my rainbow though.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 8:39 pm This is what I don't get about so many people in the early game. "Epignosis isn't exhibiting town behavior."

When do I?

"Epignosis is doing suspicious things."

When don't I?

Y'all need to realize your mafia try to do their best to look good so y'all don't say this shit about them in the early game.

Sloonei fits this. He looks like he's trying to be a civilian leader, but I don't find his effort honest.

I'm listening.

I feel this way about Jack and Quin, but I'd be open to reconsidering Sloonei as well.

Daisy how do you feel about Jack?