The Syndicate

Right, this is my . . . second traditional Syndicate game? Wow, I've been around long enough to lose track. Guess that means I'm a regular now.

Let's go stomp those little mountains!

GET PUMPED YE MOUNTAINS

DOWN WITH THE HIGH HILLS

I'm starting a new job tomorrow. No idea what my web status will be like.

But if I was to vote now, I'd vote for Sloonei

I'VE BEEN GONE ONE DAY YOU BASTARDS

Voting LC for page 4 stuff that I said I was gonna vote Sloonei for.

Though Epi describing himself as an "easy lynch" that LC can go after is laughable. (Post 145)

And we're back to the LC vs epi dais

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:16 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:53 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:08 am Put a vote on Spacedaisy. Do we believe her guilt to be coming from a place of empathy for game hosts everywhere, or from her role card?

I'm not really buying the idea that she feels guilty about rolling Mafia, making it affect her very first post in the game.

WHo the hell feels guilty about being mafia anyway?

Me.

But I always feel guilty about winning.

Wait wtf why is sloon voting on LC?

*keeps reading*

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:12 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:53 pm
Uh, you pick two Civs and buddy them so they trust you and don't lynch you. Long game benefit: survival, and more likely to lynch Civs along the way. You intimidate Sloonei out of coming after you. Benefit: One less Civ coming after you; survival; more likely to lynch a Civ along the way.

Wait a minute.

How does Long Con know Mesk, coolonialbob, and Sloonei are civilians?

Oh come on

In the hypothetical that LC is putting forward, of course they'd be likely civs.

This is always a stupid argument

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 4:34 pm As for the cbob and mesk no-vote posts... they're empty filler. Neither of them are in any way real or substantial gameplay. There was nothing about mesk's "dirt" comment that should lead to any alignment decisions. IF you really feel the need to read into it, it indicates a general ignorance or the game structure, which doesn't show as good or bad. And I don't feel like it was even that. Does anyone disagree with this?

And the Rocket Man lyrics response is equally devoid of value. So Epi would have spared his vote for any player who acknowledged his Elton John joke. Why? It doesn't even plant a seed that could grow into a suspicion, it doesn't put anyone on the spot, the only effect is to make cbob slightly more comfortable.

I'm glad none of the other players in this game post empty filler.

I'm also glad that you, LC, consider every player as an option, rather than writing a few off on D1. Screw priorities, focus, or good feels. Gotta waste all that effort on evaluating every player.

Was to call out epi for his egregious behavior.

This is one of the stupidest arguments I've seen D1, regardless of epi's alignment. What's worse, IT ISN'T EVEN YOUR ARGUMENT! Sloonei brought it up and you bandwagoned!

And worst of all, there's still a strong possibility that you're town and this is just LCxEPI LOVE CHU CHU

Mkay

I think the Epi train was formed out of nothing, and from now on, I'm going to pick two peeps not to lynch on D1 of every game and announce it to the world just to prove it. It's a stupid start to a stupid argument filled with stupidity, and the only reason Epi hasn't fought his way out of it is that he doesn't know how to defend against asininity.

(I love you guys <3 But I calls them as I sees them)

Eliminating possibilities for lynch on D1 is not a scumtell, and that's where the whole thing started. Once it became LC vs Epi, the arguments went the same way they usually do. Having caught up, I would posit that both are bull-headed town. And the strongest point against Epi is probably Nutella.

So I'm not going to vote for any of the three. Lemme see what my other options are

(Basically I would think LC is scum but following such a stupid argument if he didn't genuinely see something in Epi is suicidal)

(And that's a town meta read on LC for me)

Oh hey, glorf is in this game. Hi [mention]Glorfindel[/mention]!

I'm voting Nutella

Dang, 1 am end time? Count me out for that one, mates. Got any questions for me, get them in fast. I got plans with a sweet pillow and a lovely warm blanket

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:57 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:53 pm (Basically I would think LC is scum but following such a stupid argument if he didn't genuinely see something in Epi is suicidal)

(And that's a town meta read on LC for me)

you telling me lc wouldn't argue with epi just for the shits an' giggles?

As scum? I'm not entirely sure, but I'd lean "no."

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:59 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:58 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:57 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:53 pm (Basically I would think LC is scum but following such a stupid argument if he didn't genuinely see something in Epi is suicidal)

(And that's a town meta read on LC for me)

you telling me lc wouldn't argue with epi just for the shits an' giggles?

As scum? I'm not entirely sure, but I'd lean "no."

what about the other way around? if epi was bad.

If LC is town and Epi bad?

It's possible. LC would have basically cornered Epi out of luck, but it's more likely than LC being scum I think

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:59 pm What do you think of Epi pretending to not understand the case against him and pretending LC slipped?

I get the first part. LC's initial argument is the suck. That's just Epi's way of defending against it.

As for the slip, it makes Epi look bad because it's not a slip, as I already posted. I would be willing to vote Epi for this if I hadn't seen him use the same argument last time he and someone else were town/town arguers.

Aaaaand I should probably go verify that.

So in summary: Kinda get it, and eeegh it looks bad but might not be pending meta verification

Eh, can't find it. I know I've seen that argument before, possibly from Epi. If it was in night vale, then

Epi's response to LC's pressure is a lot more damning than the initial stupid argument.

BTW, not lynching Jack or Quin today

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:52 pm I think the Epi train was formed out of nothing, and from now on, I'm going to pick two peeps not to lynch on D1 of every game and announce it to the world just to prove it.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:09 pm BTW, not lynching Jack or Quin today

Might be less than random now, IDGAF

Lynch Epi or Nutella of the current options I guess. Jack I want to keep around (this is not the first game I've said this in [Might have been scum in the other game, don't remember]).

I really don't think LC is like this as scum.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:44 pm colonialbob -- don't know
Dom -- eastern
Dragon D. Luffy -- eastern i think (brazil)
DrWilgy -- don't know
Elohcin -- eastern
Epignosis -- eastern
Glorfindel -- uhh I forget
Jackofhearts2005 -- don't know
Kylemii -- pacific
Long Con -- eastern
Mesk514 -- don't know
MovingPictures07 -- central
nutella -- pacific
Quin -- oz
sig -- don't know
Sloonei -- eastern i think?
Spacedaisy -- central
speedchuck -- not sure
sprityo -- not sure

CST

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:31 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:26 pm...the accusation (Quin/Sloonei's version anyhow) has merit.

What's the difference between Quin and Sloonei seeing Epi's behaviour as buddying, and me seeing Epi's behaviour as buddying?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 9:01 pm I'm happy we're no longer focusing on one candidate anymore but I don't understand why LC has 3 votes.

I don't get it either

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 11:29 pm I don't understand how today's discussion came to a point where our 2 lynch options are LC and Nutella, I haven't seen a case made against LC

Yeah, even Epi would be a better vote than LC.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 12:40 am We have an hour and a half left. The top three vote getters are Nutella, LC, and Jack.

If the best person to lynch today is anyone but one of those three then we need to decide that now before we get caught up in some vote-rush shenanigans

Dis post pinged me, you know what I'm sayin'?

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 2:02 am Thoughts on Epi/LC. I'm tin foiling here, I feel like this exchange doesn't feel the same as most of their others. I could see these two being teamies and tossing each other under the bus right off the bat. That is a ballsy strategy that either of them would pull. It has me paranoid. That said, my rational brain finds Epi feeling like a civ. But not his normal self. I don't know if that makes sense, but it does in my brain. Either he is abd and he and LC are tossing each other under the bus early, or he's civ. That is where I stand on Epi.

I could see Epi as 3P.

That would make both LC's accusation and Epi's defense make more sense.

Unrelated to this post: I also don't think the Nutella read was a metaread. And this is coming from a lover of metareading.

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 2:06 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 2:02 am

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 1:45 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 1:41 am

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 1:38 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 1:36 am

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 5:47 pm

This following "I move my vote around constantly on Day 1" begs an explanation.

My final Day 1 vote is not the same as a Day 1 pressure vote. I like for that one to be reasoned and informed. All the other ones are just me poking people with a stick. I was saying that I hadn't been convinced that Epi was deserving of a final vote, but that the door was not shut on it.

Epi's not getting my vote today.

Sloonei, are you a little mountain?

No

I asked you to explain why you'd say that about Epi but not throw a vote there to support it, and you told me about the criteria that would have earned Epi your final vote.

huh?

> You throw votes out like candy on Day 1
> I use the word candy because I've given up on my own country's vocabulary
> You suspect Epi but won't put the final vote on him at that time
> I question why he didn't at least earn a pressure vote
> You tell me that your final vote is cast when it's well reasoned
> This exchange does not make me happy

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 4:37 am Where do I sign up for a family friendly game?

I need to make a politeness mafia.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 2:09 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 2:02 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 2:06 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 2:02 am

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 1:45 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 1:41 am

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 1:38 am

Sloonei, are you a little mountain?

No

I asked you to explain why you'd say that about Epi but not throw a vote there to support it, and you told me about the criteria that would have earned Epi your final vote.

huh?

> You throw votes out like candy on Day 1
> I use the word candy because I've given up on my own country's vocabulary
> You suspect Epi but won't put the final vote on him at that time
> I question why he didn't at least earn a pressure vote
> You tell me that your final vote is cast when it's well reasoned
> This exchange does not make me happy

I answered this

So you did.

I'm live streaming.

Answer was pretty good.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 11:39 am A rainbow! (Like you guys give a shit)


Jack
Nutella
LC
Quin
Kyle
[pretend this is light green]
Sloonei
Sprityo[/pretending]
[yallow]
Daisy
Eloh
Sig
Wilgy
Glor
Melk
Dom
MP
DDL[/yaloh]
Speed
Bob
Epi

C'mon boy, you know me better than that

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 1:54 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 12:40 am We have an hour and a half left. The top three vote getters are Nutella, LC, and Jack.

If the best person to lynch today is anyone but one of those three then we need to decide that now before we get caught up in some vote-rush shenanigans

Dis post pinged me, you know what I'm sayin'?

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 1:58 pm I don't know what you're saying; I don't feel the ping. Take me there.

Well, let's look at the post. What does it accomplish?

1. Reinforces the current lynch trains. If 0-1 of them are scum, then this is a decent move for scum. Having more than one scum in there is not likely. (Oh no, did I just assume their alignment? Don't even start with that.) Even with one scum in the three, it's easy to move away from one of them to make it between 2 people. Voters like having 2 options. Ask American politics.

2. Puts on a show of wanting an organized lynch, and of wanting participation, without actually adding anything to the reasons to lynch these three other than "they got votes on them already"

3. Vote rush shenanigans are chaotic, which might be good for scum . . . unless scum is composed of inactives or people not on that shortlist. In which case, a stable lynch is helpful. Townies should care more about who seems scummy rather than sticking to guns for the last hour and a half.
As for whether kyle agrees with looking at stable lynches, ask him for his opinion of Pirate Mafia D1.
Actually, I think someone has already done that.

Thus my ping

Point is, you thought after the fact that Pirate mafia had a great D1.

And it wasn't organized at the end at all. You're the one mentioning ties, not me. :P

Granted, I think I did read your post wrong for that second point, so I'll lower it to a half-ping.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 3:10 pm Can't deny that it was informative

I dunno man, I didn't get much out of it

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 3:39 pm The only sense I can make of it is that you and LC are baddie teammates who planned to go after each other.

I REALLY don't think they would pull that in a speed game. It nearly got one of them lynched, and Epi legit wasn't here when he needed to be participating in that kind of plan to make sure they didn't bring each other down.

Don't let the results pull you away from what would have been a very stupid move in this game, at this time, with this pattern of behavior from them.


linki: Nice post reference

Go ahead and elaborate on your read of me, while you're at it, Jack.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 5:22 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 4:36 pm Mm. I thought I had a valid point but it got skipped over in Epi's catch up. I've realised my error but I already did the hyperlink and everything, so a response would be nice.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:12 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:53 pm
Uh, you pick two Civs and buddy them so they trust you and don't lynch you. Long game benefit: survival, and more likely to lynch Civs along the way. You intimidate Sloonei out of coming after you. Benefit: One less Civ coming after you; survival; more likely to lynch a Civ along the way.

Wait a minute.

How does Long Con know Mesk, coolonialbob, and Sloonei are civilians?

A valid question.

Alright I'm gonna go all Epi-style on this one. "Valid" is currently perhaps one of the most overused words in the English language. This post is devoid of meaning. All it really accomplishes is to express a "+1" sentiment toward Epi's question/"catch" of LC's so-called "slip", and a bit of a turnaround since Quin had been originally going hard against Epi.

... [stuff]

So that's all I've got for Quin. Could go either way on him, but there are definitely a few tidbits here that stick out as odd.

"Valid" "odd"

Just a friendly reminder that the buddying case on Epi was just the worst

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 5:31 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 5:29 pm Just a friendly reminder that the buddying case on Epi was just the worst

why?

All Epi did was throw out a couple of names that pleased him, in one form or another, and said he wasn't going to vote them D1.

Burden of proof on you guys. Give me a valid reason that this is scummy behavior. It doesn't make sense as a long game. Calling what Epi did "buddying" is like calling a D1 vote "hate mongering".

It's hard to argue against something that doesn't make sense, as Epi found out, but if you can explain the case in a way that doesn't sound insane, I'll give you some nebulous speedchuck points and rescind my opinion.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 5:06 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 4:47 pm Go ahead and elaborate on your read of me, while you're at it, Jack.

Didn't like the way you came in shooting at LC but then fell on Nutella.

I went back and looked at your posts. You were with LC practically the whole time. Lost some points with me there, mate. Twas a poor case.

As I recall, you ended up on Nutella too, so

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 5:38 pm Are there are ways to earn speedchuck points?

And to lose them, yep!

Though I haven't got any clear criteria. I'd probably throw some to anyone that impresses me with their logic and persuasion. So far, I've been able to keep my points in my pants.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 5:42 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 5:36 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 5:31 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 5:29 pm Just a friendly reminder that the buddying case on Epi was just the worst

why?

All Epi did was throw out a couple of names that pleased him, in one form or another, and said he wasn't going to vote them D1.

Burden of proof on you guys. Give me a valid reason that this is scummy behavior. It doesn't make sense as a long game. Calling what Epi did "buddying" is like calling a D1 vote "hate mongering".

It's hard to argue against something that doesn't make sense, as Epi found out, but if you can explain the case in a way that doesn't sound insane, I'll give you some nebulous speedchuck points and rescind my opinion.

I just figured it wasn't typical Epi behavior. Quin said the "ok I'm voting for Epi, do you guys know why" thing and I instantly understood that he was reacting to Epi naming townreads (or at least people he wouldn't vote for, whatever) since he posted it right after the post in question, and I took Quin's post to imply that he found that to be specifically unusual for Epi to do. I have nothing against naming townreads as a D1 behavior in general, but specifically Epi doing so felt out of character.

Ah, so it's a meta read? That's different.

*scours all the games I've played with Epi, focusing on D1 ISOs*

. . .



Fine, you can have a speedchuck point.


Tally
Nutella: 1 scp
Jack: -1 scp

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 5:57 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 5:40 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 5:06 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 4:47 pm Go ahead and elaborate on your read of me, while you're at it, Jack.

Didn't like the way you came in shooting at LC but then fell on Nutella.

I went back and looked at your posts. You were with LC practically the whole time. Lost some points with me there, mate. Twas a poor case.

As I recall, you ended up on Nutella too, so

Yeah. Cause (at a basic level) I agreed with LC that Epi was bad and thought she was handwaiving the case on Epi to cover for a teammate.

Why were you voting Nutella again?

She wasn't LC.

LC was basically cleared in my eyes (as much as you can get on D1), and without my vote, he would have been lynched. Granted my vote came earlier, but I would have probably switched if I thought there was a better option at that moment in time.

linki: awww
linkiagain: lemme post

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:53 pm (Basically I would think LC is scum but following such a stupid argument if he didn't genuinely see something in Epi is suicidal)

(And that's a town meta read on LC for me)

LC would not have, as scum, taken one of the danciest, hardest-to-lynch targets and formed a stupid argument to try and lynch him. My meta on LC says this sincere, earnest, and suicidal lynchlust comes from a town headspace.

And seriously, who would target Epi as their easy D1 lynch?

Motive-wise, it makes zero sense for LC to be scum outside of tinfoil land.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 6:30 pm @speedchuck

Remind me why you're clearing LC. I remember you being a detractor of his case and pursuit of Epi so why do you think he's good?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 6:23 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:53 pm (Basically I would think LC is scum but following such a stupid argument if he didn't genuinely see something in Epi is suicidal)

(And that's a town meta read on LC for me)

LC would not have, as scum, taken one of the danciest, hardest-to-lynch targets and formed a stupid argument to try and lynch him. My meta on LC says this sincere, earnest, and suicidal lynchlust comes from a town headspace.

And seriously, who would target Epi as their easy D1 lynch?

Motive-wise, it makes zero sense for LC to be scum outside of tinfoil land.

Third time's the charm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 6:28 pm And LC is also one of the boldest scum players we'll see, according to legend. I get the impression that he's willing to do just abot anything.

Please gimme an example

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 7:01 pm One time, LC claimed quadruple cop who found the whole mafia on night one, then got four townies lynched but nobody though he was bad cause it seemed too ballsy of a play. In fact the serial killer got him cause he thought LC was confirmed town.

True story.

link pls

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 7:21 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 9:22 pm y'all talk too much

I'm not voting for Dom on Day 2. For this is the best post in the thread.

buddying

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 10:27 am Off-topic, but I noticed the roles used to say "Puncak Jaya may send a storm to another player each night" and that a storm was a silence or curse of choice. Either I am remembering wrong, or that was edited.

lest I loathe to speaketh, but feeleth I must
Address this role without a fuss

Alas, e'en though I like to spam
Replies to all that sayeth mine name
A darkness falleth upon mine lips
A puckish rogue gaveth me a slip
So now I shalt not quote DDL
if 't be true twas a joke, it's his to telleth

This role that thee speaketh of the present day
Is probably just what thee sayeth
Or that's mine opinion concluded, be it

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:58 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:53 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 10:27 am Off-topic, but I noticed the roles used to say "Puncak Jaya may send a storm to another player each night" and that a storm was a silence or curse of choice. Either I am remembering wrong, or that was edited.

lest I loathe to speaketh, but feeleth I must
Address this role without a fuss

Alas, e'en though I like to spam
Replies to all that sayeth mine name
A darkness falleth upon mine lips
A puckish rogue gaveth me a slip
So now I shalt not quote DDL
if 't be true twas a joke, it's his to telleth

This role that thee speaketh of the present day
Is probably just what thee sayeth
Or that's mine opinion concluded, be it

Eh my stance on inactives is the same as always. I don't care. They'll be replaced eventually. Next.

Heigh-ho sir
thy answer doest confuse me
I spake not of silent people
nor of their want of speech
I wast talking about mine buddying jest
that thee deigned to mention
and of Epi's role speculation

whither doest thy speech cometh from

At the beginning of this page
Sloon was a unnerving read
Now he is a beacon of town light
And the glory of a civilian read

EBWOP i screwed up pls delete previous post

At the beginning of this page
Sloon wast a unnerving readeth
Now that gent is a beacon of town light
And the glory of a civilian readeth