The Syndicate

Bewbs.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 1:21 am With no basis on what I'm voting for, the Outworld sounds like my kind of place.

I voted there because it's the world where you go pee when a bathworld isn't readily accessible.

Kyle is town because "let's go" is the thing he said when his confidence surged post-mafioso lynch as a civilian.

Sloonei is town because he's already trying to facilitate true to form.

Quin is mafia because he called Kyle's question "good" without clarifying why he cared about the question or why it moved him.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 1:34 am You go to bathhouses specifically to pee?

Probably why I'm so unpopular in those places.

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 1:37 am good opening question because it could lead to information that might favour our poll choices today. seemed obvious.

"Seemed obvious" is yuck, night poll questions are alignment neutral, you're bad.

Wow this is going to be really easy. Good work guys.

Made wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 1:44 am Hi friends
Glhf!

Voting Quin for now, but that might change as the day goes on depending on how he responds to arguments against him.

Made is town because he's doesn't give a shit about being accused of opportunism.

*calls for quote pyramid policy lynches*

Theory: each "realm" is associated with some subset of the characters. This is evident at least in "Outworld" being the name of the mafia team. I suspect Epignosis may have drawn from his own hosting history (Transistor) wherein the "winner" of the poll results in some kind of information being revealed among the pile of ???s in their roles. If true, it'd be swell to reveal something about the bad guys.

It's an educated guess, so if y'all have other theories then by all means stick 'em in here. I definitely don't think the poll is inconsequential.

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:18 ami can't vote.

Log out and back in.

Extension of the theory:

In Transistor, the night polls were used to "research" unique game roles called "Process elements". The Process was an independent and anti-civilian role, and it was occupied by... nijuukyugou (our present co-host).

Now, it's possible this game was entirely designed before Transistor was ever played. I dunno.

In this case the poll is worded for travel; we're literally visitng a realm. In that regard the flavor might be awkward alongside my theory. That these visitations occur in a specific order though suggests to me that we'll find our way to each of them eventually. In the event that this somehow provides a benefit to the Outworld, it may be better still to ensure that is covered earlier than later.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:38 am http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... f=27&t=769 - Location visit fun

I neither played nor watched closely. How'd it work?

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:38 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:36 am Quin I'm sorry buddy but I actually had the same thoughts as Jimmy as I was going through page 1. Then when I read him say it I got a little bit frustrated that he stole my thunder. As you well know I am never wrong on a day 1 read so you might as well just give up.

oh ok sorry ill do better next time

What are your immediate impressions of Mac and I?

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:43 am Yet to make an impression.

Would lynch eight times and eat as a salad.

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:44 am No, I lied.

I don't think you actually care about the read you've given me so far. That's natural for you in trying to progress Day 0/1 though.

You sure care about whether my suspicion is genuine, but you don't care about whether I'm bad.

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:46 am Do you believe that?

Yes.

This exchange ends here on my end. I am already getting too close to my post count cap. Others can judge as they may.

I have a really juicy hot take right now and I bet you folks are just dying to hear it.

I expect a thoroughly thought out and explained case placed neatly into a professional three-ring binder with tabs and color-coded highlighting.

Made wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:04 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:02 pm EBWOP: what do you THINK is my alignment?

probs indy tbh. i don't think you're last man standing, so probably the other one.

It's Day 0 and we have one guy posting thorough case with multiple quotes and spoilers, and we have another guy suggesting that he reads him specifically as an independent. What a saucy start.

Why though, Made. Why?

Also, Sloonei is a lock civilian and I'm done sorting his alignment for the remainder of the game.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:17 pm @JaggedJimmyJay Was the sloon read your hot take?

No. The juicy hot take is for later. *slaps speedchuck's greedy hands away from the cookie jar*

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:40 pm I have a town read on Made. Who agrees/disagrees?

I hesitate. One of his earliest Vocaroo 2 moves was to voice suspicion of me, an early vocal presence. One of his earliest Mortal Kombat moves has now been to voice suspicion of you, an early vocal presence (if I am correctly interpreting a pinkish red color to be a negative thing, or an "independent" read to indicate that you don't look like a civilian to him).

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:47 pm How did he react when pressed to justify that suspicion of you?

He attempted to justify it, and ended up roaming around in convoluted theories and uncertainties, struggling to piece together an argument.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:59 pm What?! You are on page 4?! Umm......This is why I don't play big games, Epi. I will see you all when we are down to about 12 players and one of you can catch me up.

Civilian.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 4:14 pm Jimmy, what do you look like when you're bad? You maintain that Epi catching you in Mountains was broken clocking, yeah?

I'm not sure what you mean by "broken clocking". He caught me legitimately in that game. Perhaps I was hindered by finals week in my graduate courses from posting as much as usual, but that's a lame excuse. I'll give you some other recent examples:

Transistor

Currents

Phenon: Origins

Now your assignment is to tell me what this means to you and what you will be doing with it moving forward.

Rainbow lists that don't have me in some shade of green are weird looking. They're like off-brand or something.

Sloonei
Kylemii

speedchuck
Elohchin
MacDougall
Made
DrWilgy
novaselinenever
Marmot

birdwithteeth11
Dom
Glorfindel
Gumshoe
lapluie
Long Con
sig
Simon
TonyStarkPrime

Dave
Jackofhearts2005
nutella
Quin

MacDougall is a civilian because he just explained the orange names in my rainbow list for me, with pretty much the same rationale, without me having to explain them myself.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:18 pm I'm familiar with him. Don't really know where you're going with this. I don't see why would he lie about his reason to vote. He's new to this format and don't really know what's going on. He could just vote at random without justifying it and I'm sure most people wouldn't have a problem with it.

I do agree though that the post felt like a forced introduction. And he didn't stick around afterwards.

You've discarded one of Mac's suspicions of Dave and accepted the other. What is your own read on Dave?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:52 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:21 pm MacDougall is a civilian because he just explained the orange names in my rainbow list for me, with pretty much the same rationale, without me having to explain them myself.

Did I? Where did I do that?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 6:52 pm Dave
Jackofhearts2005
nutella
Quin

Click spoiler:

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:57 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:50 pm

Made wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:48 pm Mac, what is your read of quin?

His reaction to the initial suspicion of him was fairly ambiguous. His lack of genuine townlike play is alarming. I have him as my biggest scumread.

lack of genuine townlike play, huh

I see less overtly civilian inspiration in you than I'd expect from 40+ Day 0 posts.

I'll put my continued concerns about Quin into words:

He has made a lot of posts in quick succession. Typically this is something I would like. It's great to facilitate content and to generate a real life bonafide Mafia game thread. However, in Quin's posts I see a lot of reads thrown into a heap with few or no legible origins -- they seem to merely exist for the sake of existence. This contrasts the facilitation provided by other early contributors (Sloonei, speedchuck, and MacDougall to name a few) which features reads drawn from visible thread content. Their reads might not be well-informed, understandably on Day 0, but I still know where they came from. Quin's reads? I generally don't know. I'm not sure he does either.

"Gut."

I question the sincerity of this facilitation effort and wonder if it's meant for appearances.

This is MacDougall's first game ever.

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:11 pm I've given three reads. Kyle, Sloonei, and Elohcin. All of which have clear origins if you don't need me to spell everything out to the letter.

I don't know why you're comparing my reads to others as though that factor alone is indicative of alignment.

It's Day 0 and you're already tunneling.

Green: You might as well tell me that you don't understand why I would read one guy as a civilian and another guy as mafia in general. The sincerity of content put in the thread and judgments thereof makes up a very large portion of the civilian side of this game we call Mafia and some call Werewolf.

Orange: Read me immediately.

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:21 pm Then why did you feel the need to support your point with mention of speedchuck's, Sloonei's and MacDougall's reads then? "Quin's reads are bad because theirs are more explicit". What?

Drawing a contrast to players who are making reads in a way I read as sincere sheds light on why I suspect yours to be insincere. This is obvious. You're making up questions and you didn't answer my demand.

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:24 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:23 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:21 pm Then why did you feel the need to support your point with mention of speedchuck's, Sloonei's and MacDougall's reads then? "Quin's reads are bad because theirs are more explicit". What?

Drawing a contrast to players who are making reads in a way I read as sincere sheds light on why I suspect yours to be insincere. This is obvious. You're making up questions and you didn't answer my demand.

I don't give a damn about your demand. Stop looking in black and white.

I have no use for gray. Gray is a waste of my precious civilian time. You don't have to give a damn about my demand, but my capacity to believe in you is unlikely to change for the better if you cannot even provide a read on your attacker.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:27 pm Comparing your first buncha posts here to other civ Sloonei posts makes me feel that you are being non genuine here. An example of difference can be found by comparing this game to the search for Quin.

I just looked. I don't follow. If you show my the difference you perceive to exist, I would be grateful.

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:35 pm He wasn't doing that. He was setting a baseline for what he expects from a civilian and deciding I'm bad for not meeting that baseline. It wasn't about the supposed illegitimacy of my hunting. It was read as bad by default. Tunnel.

The "civilian baseline" was a description of hunting legitimacy. It was literally about that. Clearly you are viewing my behavior with a mindset that I am a civilian given these repeated assertions that I am tunneling on you, so I cannot determine why you refuse to say so.

I've reached my post cap for tonight. I also think the late arrivals will benefit from my mouth being taped shut. See y'all tomorrow.

linki: damnit Mac. I'm trying to stop. What is ELI5? Explain your meaning and I'll answer tomorrow.

I think I'll compile a Mafia resume while I'm not posting here. I have to be productive after all.

[mention]nutella[/mention], please tell me of your civilian read on Jack.

lapluie hasn't said or done anything of a clearly civilian inclination, and yet that is my read. Civilian. The tone is just splendid.

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Jan 12, 2018 1:15 am Is there going to be a Night 0? I assume not, but it's not unheard of.

This question exists. Why?

TonyStarkPrime appeared, made four posts in response to things in this thread, and none of them contained reads. I am outraged.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jan 12, 2018 7:53 am Jimmy you made promises to me...
The start of your post made me feel like you were going to comment on everybody but then you just commented on a few. Seemed to restrain yourself.

Oh yeah. Fine.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:44 pm Jimmy can you please ELI5 Quin's posts in contrast to what those posts you believe to have "hunting legitimacy".

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 1:26 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 1:25 am New game!!!! Let's go.

i've never played a Mortal Kombat in my life, can anyone who has describe the realms? Are there any associations between realms and certain characters?

good opening question, town read.

A reason is barely provided here, but that reason bears no explanatory value. I struggle to believe that Quin is moved by a generic question about a Day 0 poll. Any player regardless of alignment can ask that question in a state of total comfort.

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:43 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:41 am

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:38 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:36 am Quin I'm sorry buddy but I actually had the same thoughts as Jimmy as I was going through page 1. Then when I read him say it I got a little bit frustrated that he stole my thunder. As you well know I am never wrong on a day 1 read so you might as well just give up.

oh ok sorry ill do better next time

What are your immediate impressions of Mac and I?

Yet to make an impression.

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:44 am No, I lied.

I don't think you actually care about the read you've given me so far. That's natural for you in trying to progress Day 0/1 though.

"No, I lied" ought to mean that the prior statement (that I've not made an impression) was false, and that a correction is coming. The next sentence does not reflect an impression of me. It's an assumption about what I'm doing with my read with no visible effort or interest in actually reading me.

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:02 am He's been around as much as the next person so far but hasn't touched on the only suspect (me) yet, and has talked primarily about the poll. I wanted to know if anyone else thought it was worth mentioning.

Now the same guy Quin handed a town read for no reason is getting negative press, though Quin still doesn't actually call him suspicious. He drops an anti-Kyle fart into an oscillating fan and waits for it to blow over the thread.

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 5:26 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 5:21 pm Quin, why are you town reading me in this game?

Gut.

Gut reads are great. There's still nothing stopping Quin from actually answering this question though, because if a town read on the thread's highest-quantity poster exists then there must be something he can point to that would justify it. Lazy at best, bad at worst.

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:41 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:37 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:35 pm He wasn't doing that. He was setting a baseline for what he expects from a civilian and deciding I'm bad for not meeting that baseline. It wasn't about the supposed illegitimacy of my hunting. It was read as bad by default. Tunnel.

The "civilian baseline" was a description of hunting legitimacy. It was literally about that. Clearly you are viewing my behavior with a mindset that I am a civilian given these repeated assertions that I am tunneling on you, so I cannot determine why you refuse to say so.

kk

Civilian Quin tries to eat my face off. I don't get this smarmy whatever man response.[/spoiler]

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Contrasted with facilitation-oriented content that I don't find suspicious:

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:49 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:35 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 4:15 am I have a really juicy hot take right now and I bet you folks are just dying to hear it.

Go on.

Also this.

That was fake, there was no hot take, you were teased for an entire day.

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Jan 12, 2018 8:54 am [insert cliche "it's day 0 my reads are weakly justified" defence here]

Quoting that entire thing for a one-line answer is the worst offense of all.

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Jan 12, 2018 9:19 am @JaggedJimmyJay I'll say this, at least.

I've been unmotivated in games for a while now. It clearly seeped into the past three or four games I've played, especially Mountains. All kinds of reasons for that; some petty, some more legitimate. I'm not denying that it's my own fault but it's not that easy to jump right back into that ideal "character". Lazy, disinterested and unengaged are all accurate descriptors for me, but they don't mean I'm bad. I'm still participating, producing content and saying what I think, I've just ditched the bells and whistles you associate with "civilian behaviour" because I frankly cannot be assed.

If I look past all of the perceived reads insincerity, I'm still left with a separate issue. I'll re-frame it as a question instead of an accusation: why won't you give a read on me?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 12, 2018 10:10 am

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Jan 12, 2018 8:55 am also "civilian quin" does whatever the bobba he wants as observed in literally every town game he's ever played on the syndicate

Right? This is the main reason I'm not moved by any case on Quin.

This is the stuff that looks gross to me at face value for you, Jack. You are free to disagree with my case, and you are free to read Quin however you may, but this just looks like it was pulled directly from the Mafia book of buddying. You're giving Quin a pass immediately ("not moved by any case on Quin") because of this simplistic and easily-replicable self-meta of "doing whatever I want". I suspect you more than him.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 12, 2018 10:10 amThe worst I can say about him is that he's tone pinging me a little earlier than usual. The accusations of genuinely trying to read people on Day 0? Weak.

I'm actually okay with Mac (old buddy old pal let me pocket you eh?) doing it cause I think it fits Mac's style but I don't see where Jimmy is coming from. I guess Jimmy is a at-the-wall thrower in the vein of Sloonei and MP but with his self imposed restriction, the weak case on Quin becomes a large part of Jimmy's content and paints him in a bad light. Hard to not be disappointed but the important part is if the root cause of Jimmy's overall posting being disappointing because he's not giving the 110% I'm used to or because he's bad.

Gross. You are trying as hard as you can to gripe about my motions against Quin, and the result is this b/s about the "portion" of my content. You try to wiggle into this stance of suspicion on me but can't quite find the courage to just do it.

"Paints him in a bad light" / "Hard to not be disappointed", BUT IhavenoideaifthisisactuallyalignmentindicativeandIamtalkingoutofmyarse.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 12, 2018 10:13 am Also, if you're going to limit your post count and ignore questions because of it, using one of them to tease a fake hot take is lame and borderline antitown.

Absolute horseshit. I'm limiting my posts because at the end of Vocaroo Too! I was confronted with numerous concerns that my intensity was preventing other civilians from enjoying the game as much as they could have. I've heard the same thing after multiple text-based games. I'm cutting myself down on a nightly basis to undefined portions (judged along with the general pace of the thread and my position in the post count ranks) to facilitate an easier environment for people who struggle to keep up. That doesn't mean I am not going to have fun with my play and stick teasers into the thread for people to pick at.

"borderline antitown" my ass. I would love for you to tell me with a straight face what negative civilian impact that silly nonsense had, or better yet how it benefits me in any other alignment.

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Jan 12, 2018 8:55 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jan 12, 2018 6:12 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Jan 12, 2018 1:15 am Is there going to be a Night 0? I assume not, but it's not unheard of.

This question exists. Why?

Maybe I wanna use my power.

Who were you asking?