The Syndicate

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 1:20 am

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 1:18 am why cant i be e?

Because. Suck it.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 1:25 am New game!!!! Let's go.

i've never played a Mortal Kombat in my life, can anyone who has describe the realms? Are there any associations between realms and certain characters?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 1:35 am Kyle is town because "let's go" is the thing he said when his confidence surged post-mafioso lynch as a civilian.

Sloonei is town because he's already trying to facilitate true to form.

Quin is mafia because he called Kyle's question "good" without clarifying why he cared about the question or why it moved him.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 1:38 am

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 1:37 am good opening question because it could lead to information that might favour our poll choices today. seemed obvious.

"Seemed obvious" is yuck, night poll questions are alignment neutral, you're bad.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 1:40 am Quin, lie about the identities of your teammates.

Made wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 1:44 am Hi friends
Glhf!

Voting Quin for now, but that might change as the day goes on depending on how he responds to arguments against him.

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 1:42 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 1:40 am Quin, lie about the identities of your teammates.

bwt
dave
dom
elohcin
glorfindel
jaggedjimmyjay
kylemii
lapluie
long con
marmot
nutella
sig
simon
sloonei
speedchuck
tonystarkprime

Made wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 1:54 am

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 1:48 am

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 1:42 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 1:40 am Quin, lie about the identities of your teammates.

bwt
dave
dom
elohcin
glorfindel
jaggedjimmyjay
kylemii
lapluie
long con
marmot
nutella
sig
simon
sloonei
speedchuck
tonystarkprime
~~Quin~~

there's no room for me on this list

Fixed that 4 u bbz

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 1:57 am *calls for quote pyramid policy lynches*

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:23 am I'd agree that the visit realm options would probably effect the roles from their associated realms.

I think Jay's explanation makes sense. Especially if there's historical precedence for it. When I think of Epi's hosting philosophy I think of the word "balance", and secret reveals are less likely to effect the balance of the game then like.... bonus votes or extra protections or whatever else. Plus with this many secrets it makes sense that there might be a mechanic to reveal them over the course of the game.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:26 am

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:25 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:23 am I'd agree that the visit realm options would probably effect the roles from their associated realms.

I think Jay's explanation makes sense. Especially if there's historical precedence for it. When I think of Epi's hosting philosophy I think of the word "balance", and secret reveals are less likely to effect the balance of the game then like.... bonus votes or extra protections or whatever else. Plus with this many secrets it makes sense that there might be a mechanic to reveal them over the course of the game.

This is what happened in The Office 2 years back.

which thing?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:32 am there was this pokemon mafia game on hedville a million years ago where the day 0 poll was to decide which city gym to go to first, the different gym choices all corresponded to certain advantages that would be given to certain roles, but it ended up being super obvious which players were which role because of which option they chose, and i think like 3 difference civilians ended up getting civ credit out of it because they fought super hard for their corresponding gym choice.

that's exactly the kind of thing i can't see Epi doing

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:36 am Quin I'm sorry buddy but I actually had the same thoughts as Jimmy as I was going through page 1. Then when I read him say it I got a little bit frustrated that he stole my thunder. As you well know I am never wrong on a day 1 read so you might as well just give up.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:41 am

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:38 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:36 am Quin I'm sorry buddy but I actually had the same thoughts as Jimmy as I was going through page 1. Then when I read him say it I got a little bit frustrated that he stole my thunder. As you well know I am never wrong on a day 1 read so you might as well just give up.

oh ok sorry ill do better next time

What are your immediate impressions of Mac and I?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:45 am

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:44 am No, I lied.

I don't think you actually care about the read you've given me so far. That's natural for you in trying to progress Day 0/1 though.

You sure care about whether my suspicion is genuine, but you don't care about whether I'm bad.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:48 am

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:46 am Do you believe that?

Yes.

This exchange ends here on my end. I am already getting too close to my post count cap. Others can judge as they may.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:52 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:48 am

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:46 am Do you believe that?

Yes.

This exchange ends here on my end. I am already getting too close to my post count cap. Others can judge as they may.

is your post count cap 20???

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:54 am

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:44 am No, I lied.

I don't think you actually care about the read you've given me so far. That's natural for you in trying to progress Day 0/1 though.

Lynch all liars.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:00 am

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:55 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:54 am

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:44 am No, I lied.

I don't think you actually care about the read you've given me so far. That's natural for you in trying to progress Day 0/1 though.

Lynch all liars.

Tell me about Kylemii.

I had a ping at first which I am prone to do when people are being enthusiastic in the way that Kylemii seemed to be (see Sloonei's description) but further posts seem relatively genuine. I don't accept Jimmy's argument for clearing as that's just as likely if not more so just common phrasing that Kylemii uses.

Thank you for the question. What were you expecting me to say?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:18 am Quin do you consider yourself to be a primary suspect?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:53 am

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:48 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:18 am Quin do you consider yourself to be a primary suspect?

Not really. These are the initial "throw shit at the wall and see what sticks" cases. A suspect nonetheless though.

I don't see anything you've said or done as being worthy of a civ or mad read, to me it's more of a "Quin seems lackadaisical and carefree" read, that might factor into a read later given different behavioral context.

Quin do you have any suspects?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 4:15 am I have a really juicy hot take right now and I bet you folks are just dying to hear it.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 11:06 am Oh haha making a Quin suspicion joke apparently that's not original this game. That's what I get for not catching up before posting.

So hey poll. I voted not-bad place because hanging around in mafia territory sounds like a bad idea? Feel like people are overthinking it, but hey, you guys have played more epi games than me.

Townread on quin. I have read quin correctly in 100% plus or minus 30% of the games I've played with him. So it's basically certain that he's town.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 1:31 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 1:29 pm I say we lynch Quin now so I don't have room to tunnel on him later.

mmm how about not

Sloonei and Quin are on my 'do not lynch D1' list for this game. I have chosen.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 4:10 pm

Elohcin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:59 pm What?! You are on page 4?! Umm......This is why I don't play big games, Epi. I will see you all when we are down to about 12 players and one of you can catch me up.

Civilian.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 4:17 pmQuin, read me.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 4:27 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 4:12 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 4:09 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:59 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:55 pm I like your chocobo avatar, Speed.

Thanks! I'm glad you like it. Slight correction on what it is, though.

Rockin. That looks exactly my style, though I still haven't finished Mario 64.


RE: Quin

I always think Quin is bad, usually around Day 4. I may or may not become utterly convinced of his townieness on Day 1 or 2 but it doesn't matter. I will be convinced he is bad around Day 4.

90% of this game's content is from or about Quin. Let's talk about someone I have a better chance of reading.

I like your new avatar too. Dig the animation.

How about Made? We're all talking about Made right now. And Sloonei.

linki:

Thank you. It's a modified crit animation of the best Fire Emblem character who by the way doesn't pick fights he can't win and is definitely not dating his sister. Disgusting.


Talk about Made in a sec. Switching devices.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 4:28 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 4:17 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 4:17 pmQuin, read me.

town.

Do I not strike you as resonant of our hydra experience?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 4:40 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 4:29 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 4:27 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 4:12 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 4:09 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:59 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:55 pm I like your chocobo avatar, Speed.

Thanks! I'm glad you like it. Slight correction on what it is, though.

Rockin. That looks exactly my style, though I still haven't finished Mario 64.


RE: Quin

I always think Quin is bad, usually around Day 4. I may or may not become utterly convinced of his townieness on Day 1 or 2 but it doesn't matter. I will be convinced he is bad around Day 4.

90% of this game's content is from or about Quin. Let's talk about someone I have a better chance of reading.

I like your new avatar too. Dig the animation.

How about Made? We're all talking about Made right now. And Sloonei.

linki:

Thank you. It's a modified crit animation of the best Fire Emblem character who by the way doesn't pick fights he can't win and is definitely not dating his sister. Disgusting.


Talk about Made in a sec. Switching devices.

i'm sorry but if you aren't getting that A support with L'Arachel you're playing it wrong

L'Arachel is best princess wandering hero. I think Ephraim married Tana in my game, though.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 5:08 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 4:31 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 4:28 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 4:17 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 4:17 pmQuin, read me.

town.

Do I not strike you as resonant of our hydra experience?

Not particularly. That's also an awkward comparison to ask me to make because I was bad with you then.

What strikes you as similar in your approach to that game that you don't also do in any other game?

That we were bad together is exactly why I'm asking you about the hydra experience. You had a front row seat to bad sloonei for 48 hours. I'm asking you if you can draw any comparisons from there to here. I'm not telling you that you should or shouldn't see anything specific.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 5:21 pm Quin, why are you town reading me in this game?

Made wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 5:30 pm note, this is the first game I remember ever seeing slooni take any sort of heat. very interesting to see tbh.
nywhozies day zero rainbow cuz y not

Quin
Wilgy
Kyle
Eloh
Nutella
SpeedChuck
JJJ
Jack
Slooni
MacDougle


Dave

linki- move kyle to top of list and JJJ to above speedchuck

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:50 pm

Made wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:48 pm Mac, what is your read of quin?

His reaction to the initial suspicion of him was fairly ambiguous. His lack of genuine townlike play is alarming. I have him as my biggest scumread.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:58 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:57 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:50 pm

Made wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:48 pm Mac, what is your read of quin?

His reaction to the initial suspicion of him was fairly ambiguous. His lack of genuine townlike play is alarming. I have him as my biggest scumread.

lack of genuine townlike play, huh

I see less overtly civilian inspiration in you than I'd expect from 40+ Day 0 posts.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:02 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:01 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:58 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:57 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:50 pm

Made wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:48 pm Mac, what is your read of quin?

His reaction to the initial suspicion of him was fairly ambiguous. His lack of genuine townlike play is alarming. I have him as my biggest scumread.

lack of genuine townlike play, huh

I see less overtly civilian inspiration in you than I'd expect from 40+ Day 0 posts.

I think you expect more from me than I'm equipped to give you. I just talk. That's all I've ever done.

what if I said I didn't get the impression you were sincerely trying to read me earlier?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:06 pm I'll put my continued concerns about Quin into words:

He has made a lot of posts in quick succession. Typically this is something I would like. It's great to facilitate content and to generate a real life bonafide Mafia game thread. However, in Quin's posts I see a lot of reads thrown into a heap with few or no legible origins -- they seem to merely exist for the sake of existence. This contrasts the facilitation provided by other early contributors (Sloonei, speedchuck, and MacDougall to name a few) which features reads drawn from visible thread content. Their reads might not be well-informed, understandably on Day 0, but I still know where they came from. Quin's reads? I generally don't know. I'm not sure he does either.

"Gut."

I question the sincerity of this facilitation effort and wonder if it's meant for appearances.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:16 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 5:26 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 5:21 pm Quin, why are you town reading me in this game?

Gut.

I'm not sure what to do with this post from Quin most of all. Our conversation started with him giving me a town read. I then dragged us into a discussion of my recent mafia meta (Quin and I were recently a mafia hydra-pairing together on MU) and, after some initial hesitation, he identified some possible signs to differentiate between my town and scum play. I wanted to get a feel for whether or not these thoughts were something he was factoring into his read of me here (this did not seem to be the case), and instead his reason for town reading me was expressed in three letters: gut. I don't object to Quin gut reading me. But I don't like the sequence of events leading up to the declaration of this gut read and his answers to my questions did not seem to reflect an earnest progression of thoughts.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:18 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:11 pm I've given three reads. Kyle, Sloonei, and Elohcin. All of which have clear origins if you don't need me to spell everything out to the letter.

I don't know why you're comparing my reads to others as though that factor alone is indicative of alignment.

It's Day 0 and you're already tunneling.

Green: You might as well tell me that you don't understand why I would read one guy as a civilian and another guy as mafia in general. The sincerity of content put in the thread and judgments thereof makes up a very large portion of the civilian side of this game we call Mafia and some call Werewolf.

Orange: Read me immediately.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:19 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:17 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:16 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 5:26 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 5:21 pm Quin, why are you town reading me in this game?

Gut.

I'm not sure what to do with this post from Quin most of all. Our conversation started with him giving me a town read. I then dragged us into a discussion of my recent mafia meta (Quin and I were recently a mafia hydra-pairing together on MU) and, after some initial hesitation, he identified some possible signs to differentiate between my town and scum play. I wanted to get a feel for whether or not these thoughts were something he was factoring into his read of me here (this did not seem to be the case), and instead his reason for town reading me was expressed in three letters: gut. I don't object to Quin gut reading me. But I don't like the sequence of events leading up to the declaration of this gut read and his answers to my questions did not seem to reflect an earnest progression of thoughts.

That's because I wasn't progressing my read of you in your line of questioning.

where did your read of me originate?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:23 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:21 pm Then why did you feel the need to support your point with mention of speedchuck's, Sloonei's and MacDougall's reads then? "Quin's reads are bad because theirs are more explicit". What?

Drawing a contrast to players who are making reads in a way I read as sincere sheds light on why I suspect yours to be insincere. This is obvious. You're making up questions and you didn't answer my demand.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:30 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:23 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:21 pm Then why did you feel the need to support your point with mention of speedchuck's, Sloonei's and MacDougall's reads then? "Quin's reads are bad because theirs are more explicit". What?

Drawing a contrast to players who are making reads in a way I read as sincere sheds light on why I suspect yours to be insincere. This is obvious. You're making up questions and you didn't answer my demand.

Bingo my dude. That post made zero sense.

"Why would you show me an example of what you feel is legitimate hunting to draw contrast to mine?"

Answer: Because it highlights the reasons for which I believe you to be bad.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:37 pm Quin, if you are a civilian it would be a sad place to be being hounded by Jimmy and I in this manner, so I'll cut you some slack and stop commenting on you for a while and give you some chance to actually play the game from a non disadvantageous position.