The Syndicate

If I ever get a roof I can call my own, I will place a fiddler on it.
The fiddler will have to be rented though. I don't want the responsibility of taking care of a fiddler.

Dobroe utro!

Oh wow, the bass player turned into a fish. This must be a metaphor for my state of mind.

So far, Kyle is very likely town. The rest is whatever. Except everyone are super cute and adorable. <3

Since I am a terrible person, can someone tell me how long it is to day end?

Will start reading the game now.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 7:33 pm I think if Jay doesn't come up with a valid "tell" that made him so sure as to call me out like he did then it's definitely a bad look for him.

As things are, based on past interactions with Jay he's likely to come out and say something like "there is no tell, I was just lying to build thread discussion" or "I'm not telling you what your tell is in case I need to use it again later"

I don't think either of those are acceptable answers for this.

Jay's usual civvie MO is to scatter bricks around on day 0 and 1 in order to start building discussion and put out reads. What Jay's done here is try to throw a single large brick at me, which causes no variation in discussion at all. The only discussion happening right now is surrounding me.

The only way that tactic comes from a responsible civvie mindset is if Jay really and truly believes in whatever he thinks my tell is

Meanwhile, JJJ isn't even anywhere to be seen and has probably fallen asleep behind some bushes. Why is this even a thing to discuss when FZ was the person I saw with some actual piece of reasoning?

This is probably old news, but this whole thing is kind of funny to me. Is Kyle always this easy to rile up? We should play more often.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:09 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:06 pm Since I am a terrible person, can someone tell me how long it is to day end?

Will start reading the game now.

A little under 8 hours, I think

Right. Good thing I remembered I had a game. I will read, cast a vote, and then sleep. Meow.

Stuff from page 2-6

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 8:23 pmI don't care for F.Z.'s take there. It's original, but it's a reach to say a guy is frustrated about power arrangements just because he mentioned powers. I could see it as an effort to heap onto the Kyle Pile without being complicit in promoting my poop.

I half agree. I had two reactions to that post. The same thing that FZ said crossed my mind when reading Kyle's post at first, but then at the same time I didn't trust FZ's post because it could also read like projection. Which gets kind of contradictory cause I did think the same thing as her. All this to say that my gut is not trusting of FZ at this point.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 8:41 pm I do think Kyle's response to my nonsense was an incorrect representation of the purpose it may serve (ignoring/discarding the obvious civilian motive). I read him in the civilian direction anyway on the basis of tone. I am not sure Kyle is the sort to say he "doesn't have respect for" some play being made if he isn't genuinely angry about it -- an anger I'd expect to be more civilian-driven than mafia-driven.

I do like this reasoning for reading Kyle town. It's a pet peeve that players should be able to give the same emotional output as town and scum without being considered to do something "not in spirit of the game" - BUT it rarely happens. The specific respect-angle here I agree is coming from town more likely than scum (unless maybe teamed with JJJ, but that's a topic for the after party, probably). I also like JJJ pointing this out, cause he didn't have to. But that's about the only thing I really like about JJJ (without really disliking him (in terms of alignment, he's lovely for sure : p)

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 12:59 am I don't care what bothers you. I won Phenon: Origins because the civilians were generally disengaged and did not try. I won Transistor because the civilians were generally disengaged and did not try. Rule #1 is to let a lazy thread remain lazy. There have been instances where I've provided some half-assed fake "motivation", like "let's go, the thread is moving too slow". Those things never matter and don't hasten the thread pace.

Pushing Kyle's buttons and blowing it up? That works. I know what works. Feel free to discard this shit after this game now that it's plainly stated, but it's true right now.

The votes appear to be changeable.

I have qualms about this whole line of defense from JJJ. He's playing it off like he was this huge driver for debate, while in actuality what made the content was Kyle's reaction and Kyle's posts, which JJJ had no control over. If he had flung the poop on me I would've posted a cat gif and moved on - then what? So logically, JJJ didn't write or do the content. The other reason I have qualms with this is that I regocnize that I've used this exact line of defense as scum several times - played off reactions to me doing something as all of it being my doing and my content when in actuality I had no direct control over it.

(slightly off topic: I'm surprised to see that kind of RVS being so effective on this site. To think that I fake scum slipped in my first game here is cray - I was not prepared for the storm lol).

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:21 am Just read his iso. You are in shit sling mode because Epi is on the verge of handing you your ass. None of your arguments against him are rational. You are doubling down on omgus because it's wifom and your day 1 is a choreographed mimicry of your usual play without the common sense.

I mean, up to the point you enter the thread all Epig has said is that what JJJ (and Sloonei (?)) have been doing doesn't make them town and that JJJ doesn't seem sincere. That is hardly a case. It may be genuine intuition, but that's all, and that is me giving goodwill to it. There's nothing really to respond to for JJJ to be fair.

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Other notes I took:

- Why is Kyle worried about getting lynched for no reason so early by JJJ? FZ was the one with some actual piece of reasoning.
- I don't get how Kyle can say he "gets where Epig is coming from" concerning the scum duo read on JJJ and Sloonei when it's just as baseless as JJJ's brick throwing. Weird.
- Then Epig gives a reason for suspecting JJJ, namely that he wasn't sincere.
- Speed makes some posts and I'm going to town read him for voicing the exact same concerns I have while reading.

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All in all I will town read Speed, I haven't seen anything wrong with Sloonei's posts, Kyle I would guess town for the reason JJJ stated, very undecided about both JJJ and Epig at this point in my reading - it's all very rah rah rah. I'm more interested in anyone else.

Will continue reading.

Oh, btw, when I said Kyle was a town read I hadn't actually read much of the thread at all. So that was just to be contrary and cool. Don't know it's relevant.

Stuff from page 6 and out.

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 1:08 pm Speaking of dizzying, I'm voting dizzy until I see a cat pic from her.

Must oblige!



Wasn't I scum in the last game I posted like 100 cat gifs btw?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 6:02 pmLet's lynch Kyle and then be overwhelmed by the wifom of his most recent post for the rest of the game.

What in it is WIFOM to you and why?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 6:36 pm Had you started that post before or after my gth

I don't know. Didn't read longer than through page 6 before posting. I would make a contribution to the game because I signed up for it though, not because you or anyone else has a gun to your head, if that was what you were thinking. Usually I'm more of a high poster, but time doesn't allow me that this game it seems.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 6:58 pm My point still stands though. @speedchuck green is not a creative color

OMG I love you for this reference I always loved you and now I love you more.

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My critique on JJJ:
- I find he holds on to the obvious unreasnable accusation of him and Sloonei necessarily being scum together a bit too long. I read it more like Epig's pressure became more about JJJ than them two together. Also doesn't address the question of sincerity until pretty late.
- I still find his contant reminder of "I pushed the thread, I wouldn't do it as scum" to be bs, and it still totally reminds me of some of my own defenses. He asks if he would do a good job of it, but really it was Kyle doing a good job of reacting overtly, and quite frankly JJJ didn't really do a good job of it by posting a scientist gif clearly indicating that he was just experiementing and slinging poop, pointing at himself there too as in "I'm doing stuff".
Those two would be my points of suspicion.

I remember somewhere along the line to be more inclined to the possibility of both JJJ and Epig being town, but I can't say why other than maybe they're not the most suspicious and I prefer other lynches? I have problems with some of their play. I do like Epig actually explaining his thoughts. I do like him reevaluating Nut so fast. I guess. I do like some of what JJJ is saying too and still liked his early read on Kyle about the anger/respect issue.

@Sloonei - What do you think of JJJ's original reason to read Kyle town?

Can someone tell me about about MacDoug? His playstyle seems rather random to me, but random and aggressive (not a critique of play style just an observation and wanting to get some meta), is this normal?

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I'm way more interested in players like FZ, Robar, the ever random Wilgy and the ever endearing Marmot. And then there are a couple of players that I don't remember posts from or they haven't been game relevant enough to stick.

Vote FZ

I don't find any reason to feel good about their posts. A bit on the side and meh. I guess this may count as a gut read, but it's where I'm at now.

Speed and Nut as town, Kyle as probably town, Slooneiiiiii let me hold on for a bit, Epic could be town, JJJ more null but ugh, don't remember anything else.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 7:26 pmUpdated, I have moved Dizzy to green because Dizzy is everything. Don't lynch Dizzy.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 7:38 pmThanks for the answer. It's WIFOM in the way that if we were to lynch him and then try to analyse that post it's WIFOM.

Only if he flips scum though? Do you happen to know anything about that? This is not a rethorical question, so please answer truthfully.

Reason for reading Nut as town is basically emotional tone from her posts. She also doesn't seem to get flinched and have views I can follow and rather agree with. To be fair we did (I think both) genuinly misread each other when we were on opposite scum teams, but that is a difference dynamic anyway. She reads genuine to me.

Reason for suspecting FZ is just an apologetic tone and always being on the back burner. I also don't think she vibes very different than from the one game I've played with her when she was scum (but I was also scum with her and knew her alignment then). Content is little and a bit vague.

Btw, LoRab's posts are reading very vague and scummy to me. I think Epig mentioned him having misread her before, but they seem like very "general typical scum" posts afaic. Players with meta on her, what do you think?

@MacDoug, What's your reasoning for Nut and FZ read?

We must all care for the roof.
I'm not yay on an Epig or Kyle lynch really. Sue me etc.

I guess I only feel good good about Speed, which is scary because magical whip reasons so it doesn't even feel good, but he thought the same thing as me more than once and that felt good so hi.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 7:50 pm How do y'all feel about the three Syndicate veteran women, Daisy aside, soul reading Epignosis as evil?

I mean, I think this is the first time I've seen him explain himself in detail. Usually it's more intuition based but stated as facts which has been frustrating in other games (again, not invalidating playstyle, just my memory of it).

I think MacDoug is probably town?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 7:56 pm My strongest townreads are on Mac and Wilgy. That's a clear sign that I need to step away from the game for a while.

I'll try to drop back in before lynch.

And I wanted to be your town buddy. =(

Neither Epig or Kyle are voting each other - which is peculiar kind of. I guess they will if things stay the same?

I'll either let my vote stay or switch ro LoRab cause idfk. And I need to sleep very soon.

Oh, and JJJ and Nut are mutually defending each other. Don't know if that information will ever be relevant. Just an observation.

I voted LoRab. I don't have any other reason than the posts sounds meh to me. Hi, LoRab, write an angry letter to me.

I'm off to bed. Good night and good luck. <3
May the fiddler be with you and the roof stable.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 8:03 pmIf these Epignosis and Kyle wagons hold, which do you think should be lynched?

Probably didn't want to think about that, but I'd say Epig.

Also, do you have a read on me?

"Now let's all agree to never be creative again."

Nut has changed though. She's being all sassy. I like it.

Night for real.

Woaa, this game moves too quickly for me. I don't know why Daisy was lynched. Saw that she flipped town. I'll start reading from where I left off while I make and eat dinner, but I totally do not have the time to follow as fast as this game is moving. Didn't catch the 24 hour phase thing when I signed up cause lol rules and mechanics, and I didn't know I would get into a manic work mode. All that to say "wow such post, many read" and that I'll do what I can hiiii.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 10:19 amWhat did dyslexicon do to earn this placement?

Or, conversely, what have I "earned" in your eyes?

I have a wish: It would be super helpful if people could either bold and color who they are voting when they do, or at least say it explicitly in thread. I'm not used to the votes only being available in the poll, and sometimes players say stuff like "I moved my vote" or just don't mention it at all, and it makes it difficult to track votes when reading back. Day ends like 5 or 6 in the morning for me, and for how my days are now I rarely would be able to be around at that time. This is not me trying to dictate anything, but if you remember it I think it would be really helpful to make it explicit when you are moving your vote.

Read the end of the day.

At first I was almost convinced by Sloonei's case, but as time went on I had the same reaction that Nut did, in that Sloonei seemed to be a bit too stubborn. I also don't think what he calls out as contradictions really are contradictions. I guess I like Sloonei less after this, but I'd place him null. I don't think he has to be scum.

The Daisy lynch was rather random. I mean, easy to say in hindsight, but really. There were other low poster that would make better lynches. But oh well.

@Sloonei - Pretty sure I asked you before what you thought of JJJ's initial reason for reading Kyle as town. The reason about him being angry and talking about JJJ's play as lacking respect. I talked about this too. I don't remember you commenting on this at all?

Sloonei and Kyle are both like ugh to me.

I find I most align with reactions from Speed and Nut. I'd go with them as town. MacDoug strikes me as town too.

And there's still a lot of players that aren't active at all. And I wouldn't be at all surprised if more than one scum are among those. >_>

@Marmot - Can you do something else than either defend yourself or point out inconsistencies that isn't even relevant or doesn't make any difference in how your reading them? Like, make some actual cases for someone's alignment?

Wilgy is totally random. Yeah, I get that it's he's thing though I've seen him being very serious too, but it's rather unhelpful, to use a popular word.

Epi and JJJ are another "pair" I can't brain. I don't even want to talk about it. It's a funny thing happening where they are almost dancing around each other. I don't know what it means.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 2:59 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 1:34 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 10:19 amWhat did dyslexicon do to earn this placement?

Or, conversely, what have I "earned" in your eyes?

Nothin', which is why I've not listed you as a top town read at any point this game.

Can you be more specific? I've commented on everything I've read when I've read it openly. How is it so "nothing" to you? And does that make it suspicious or just "nothing"? Basically, tell me more. : p

Though I actually want MacDoug to make a case for Nut. I want to hear it.

Oh, and I've thought about how I've forgotten about LC every time I've been catching up, and now I did it again. So that's a thing. I usually have vibes and feels on LC, but not so much now, cause there's nothing much to say.

LC, why are you disappearing for me? Don't you know I not so secretly love you?

Did anyone ever give a reason why Lorab isn't a suspect? What's her meta like?

Can Dave and NVN actually post something? I don't know why they are and that is sad.

I didn't even get to play with Daisy. And I've received mails the last year that are like "Spacedaisy has sent you a private message on mafiathesyndicate..." so I feel like I know her. =(

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 3:10 pm Did anyone ever give a reason why Lorab isn't a suspect? What's her meta like?

Can Dave and NVN actually post something? I don't know why they are and that is sad.

Um, this should say "who they are" and not "why they are" - I don't question their existance any more than I question my own. o.o

Speed - by my buddy and answer all my questions for me.

#whateveryousay linkid or something - Hi!

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 3:15 pmI've actually posted twice and I've been following the game. It's just that there are a lot of fluffs and the rest of posts are meta-plays between players who know each other. I didn't have anything to contribute so I didn't bother to post.

Hi! What's your experience with mafia?
Do you have anything in terms of different player's alignments? Thought or feels of any kind?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 3:45 pm Okay. That's amusing.

Serious question, though. I only really remember Dizzy from Phenon, and this feels distinctly different.

If it helps you could read the Currents game. Weren’t you in that btw?

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 3:26 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 3:17 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 3:15 pmI've actually posted twice and I've been following the game. It's just that there are a lot of fluffs and the rest of posts are meta-plays between players who know each other. I didn't have anything to contribute so I didn't bother to post.

Hi! What's your experience with mafia?
Do you have anything in terms of different player's alignments? Thought or feels of any kind?

I'm used to closed set-ups but this one is very interesting.
So far nothing. Pretty neutral overall

Not a single thing from all these pages? When will you have thoughts?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 4:28 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 4:26 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 3:45 pm Okay. That's amusing.

Serious question, though. I only really remember Dizzy from Phenon, and this feels distinctly different.

If it helps you could read the Currents game. Weren’t you in that btw?

I was in that game. Don't remember a thing about it.

Ok, well. I was mafia that game. I think I was your top town read for a while that game (boo), and I was much more active.

Hi hi hi. Quick post, and this will be the only post I post today for reasons.

@Speed - Only cause your "blah bla Dizzy" was the only thing I half read: Gurl. I have not been able to be around consistently in thread and interact with players over longer periods which I like to do and normally am able to do. You've played with me as both scum and town. You town read me when I was scum cause I was so much alike the usual Dizzy. So me being "different" is purely me not having the time to devote all my love to the game. That is fact. Phenon is my first game here a long time ago. You even have more meta if that's so important. Talking about gifs is lol. I can promise you one thing and that is when I do have a specific team with known teammates I am 580% more tryhard cause I absolutely hate to disappoint. That is why my Mafia win rate is ridiculous. Get over it. I'm not the lynch town is looking for.

I would watch any turn on me particularly close.

Right now I'm going to vote JJJ, this is purely on intution and I didn't like his attitude on Epig.

I also do not think that Epig is mafia.

In this game there are a lot of roles. Since we can't information dump or claim I find it particularly important that we don't discuss the mights and maybe's of things - this is importnat. I want to be listened to (which is my biggest frustration not having enough time to devote to the game.) Let everything be, but if you're town you do well to keep all possibilities in mind WITHOUT airing them in thread. Very important.

So I'm persuing a lynch on JJJ personally. But honestly, I've hardly skimmed. I will be able to catch up and post come night time. I've been working, pouring milk all over my body all day (yeah that's my work). Even if I go for this I also see valid options in Lorab and NVN (for being a total non-contributer) also. Take it for what it's worth.

I have nothing else and will give nothing else. Anyone who wants to vote me should state reasons clearly and ISO me first, and tell me I'm not trying from a town point of view. They should also have good reason why they're voting me specifically over any other "low contributer". And I'm never inactive when I can post.

I think FZ is more likely town than not.

Yeah, I lied about that being my only post. : p

It's also fine not to understand.

And FZ more likely town is purely based on that one reply, and also putting Mac twice in his do-not-lynch (but that is kind of weak looks more like town stream of consciousness).

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 7:23 pmIf "punishment" means "curse," I haven't seen any evidence of this today.

I don't think this is something to look for.
Let's lynch scum instead. Also plz move your vote cause I asked.

@JJJ - Do better or get lynched.
You saying I want to «destroy you» looks terrible from where I stand.

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Trying once more, cause I don’t want to get lynched here, and neither should I.

I’m persuing a lynch on JJJ because his case on Epig, it was bad. I can’t recap the case honestly, cause I skimmed or haven’t read yet, but I’m persuing this lynch with my vote.

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Pay attention please: Antway, meanwhile, I’m noting a couple of players doing very little or nothing. I see no reason not to lynch NVN for example. Maybe there’s better options, and I wish I was caught up to tell. However, I’m persuing this lynch on JJJ cause that’s what I’m doing.

If you have concerns outside whether I’m town or scum, do not talk about it - !

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:37 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:33 pm @JJJ - Do better or get lynched.
You saying I want to «destroy you» looks terrible from where I stand.

I said Spacedaisy wants to destroy me, not you. Given this information, update your reaction and provide it to me.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:33 pmTrying once more, cause I don’t want to get lynched here, and neither should I.

I’m persuing a lynch on JJJ because his case on Epig, it was bad. I can’t recap the case honestly, cause I skimmed or haven’t read yet, but I’m persuing this lynch with my vote.

Do you realize that I never actually compiled any comprehensive case on Epignosis? I threw isolated gripes into the thread as we argued. What didn't you like?

Oh good. No, I didn’t know that. I’m persuing your lynch because your case on Epig was bad.

Anyway, it’s ok if you want to move on from that. Completely.

Beyond is better. English is not my native language.

Ew, Speed, no. I love you, but no. : p

I should probably go to sleep. Don’t be lazy. And again sorry for lagging behind so much.

Epig, Mac and FZ as last town reads

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:43 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:41 pm Oh good. No, I didn’t know that. I’m persuing your lynch because your case on Epig was bad.

Anyway, it’s ok if you want to move on from that. Completely.

What do you mean by "move on from that"? And what was bad about my case on Epignosis?

I’ve literally said everything I want to say about that: I’m persuing your lynch as you know because you case on Epig was bad. I don’t want to or need to talk about it more. Stop, breathe, and think quitly or just move on.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:46 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:45 pm Ew, Speed, no. I love you, but no. : p

I should probably go to sleep. Don’t be lazy. And again sorry for lagging behind so much.

Epig, Mac and FZ as last town reads

I'm not asking you to read the whole thread. You told me that you thought my case on Epignosis was bad. Surely something tangible inspired that perception? Stick around and help me out here.

I’m doing everything I possibly can to help you.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:51 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:49 pm I’m doing everything I possibly can to help you.

I think NVN would make a decent alternative if I wasn’t so occupied with persuing your lynch because your case on Epig was bad.

Last try. You, Speed and Epig should try figure out if I’m town or scum here. Good luck if you need it.