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Did I hear someone say, "information?"Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 2:07 pm I really don't think we're going to be starved for information in this game anyways, out of the gate we have a btsc cop, a role cop, a role blocker, and a doctor who can gain btsc with 1 of 3 different civ roles, one of which is the previously mentioned role cop, we also have a soapbox user and a mayor.
the number of roles we have that can stimulate the information economy seems pretty good.
I really don't think it's worth going into.FZ. wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 6:17 pmSorry, can you explain what you meant by that? Coming back from a long break, I'm going to be a little slow...Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 2:34 pmDid I hear someone say, "information?"Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 2:07 pm I really don't think we're going to be starved for information in this game anyways, out of the gate we have a btsc cop, a role cop, a role blocker, and a doctor who can gain btsc with 1 of 3 different civ roles, one of which is the previously mentioned role cop, we also have a soapbox user and a mayor.
the number of roles we have that can stimulate the information economy seems pretty good.
Why leave out the third option?Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 6:34 pm Hey @JaggedJimmyJay I'm telling you right now, if you get me wrongly lynched and don't reveal what you thought the tell was then I'm not going to easily forgive you for it.
If you're really just making this up then it's not a cool tactic. If you legitimately think I have a tell then sure fine whatever, everyone's wrong sometimes, but if not then you have to take responsibility for it. Promise me.
I'm talking about the option in which you tell him, "You're full of shit and evil."Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 7:09 pmthe option where I survive has no bearing on my request. What I'm saying that if I do end up getting lynched for Jay's 'tell' then Jay has to be held accountable. He can't just say something like "oh well it didn't work this time but I'm going to keep what it was a secret in case it's a tell in the future.Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 6:54 pmWhy leave out the third option?Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 6:34 pm Hey @JaggedJimmyJay I'm telling you right now, if you get me wrongly lynched and don't reveal what you thought the tell was then I'm not going to easily forgive you for it.
If you're really just making this up then it's not a cool tactic. If you legitimately think I have a tell then sure fine whatever, everyone's wrong sometimes, but if not then you have to take responsibility for it. Promise me." and shrug it off.
If his tactic here causes me to die then I want his reasoning to be thoroughly checked into.
This isn't a parlay.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 8:47 pm Y'all please tell me about Epignosis's last post.
He rightly asserts that I shouldn't be assumed good because I make stuff happen. He then parlays that into "hang Jay and Sloonei", as though "doesn't make him good" is equivalent to "makes them bad".
No thanks. I won't be needing any of that today.
When you two are teammates, you will maintain a significant advantage over people who blindly assume you will lead the civilians to victory.
Yes.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 9:04 pmDo you suspect that we are teammates in this game right now?
I assume.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 9:03 pmCivilian. He saw the potential utility of my poop and went right to work with it. His interrogation of you looks authentic and he doesn't seem concerned about appearances with his demeanor and his reads.
Are you the only one allowed to spew "fake reads?"JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 9:21 pmI don't believe you. You'd think we're mafia teammates in every game you play with us. You don't. Fake read. Die.Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 9:20 pm Yes.
Anytime I see this and the like:
I assume.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 9:03 pmCivilian. He saw the potential utility of my poop and went right to work with it. His interrogation of you looks authentic and he doesn't seem concerned about appearances with his demeanor and his reads.
How would you expect them to act when they are both bad together?nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 9:27 pm Yeah I don't get what Epi is saying here. Like, it's reasonable to be cautious of the possibility of Jay/Sloonei w/w, because that would be fucking scary, but it really doesn't make sense for him to assume that this is the case based on the way they have interacted so far (which is pretty much how they always interact as civs).
I would expect you two to act the same way as you are acting now: Verifying each other and validating each other.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 10:01 pmAnswer your own question, and then describe how the play you've seen from us in this thread so far fits that description while failing to fit the description of the civilian-civilian Jay/Sloonei dynamic.
You are mine.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 10:11 pmNope.
1. Sloonei has not validated me in this game.
2. We have cooperatively read each other as civilians as civilians on numerous occasions, which is why this fake paranoia is being expressed. You know the trend exists as it is the inspiration for this accusation, and yet you cannot substantiate the accusation in this case whatsoever beyond "if the civilians listen to you two they're doomed". It's empty bullshit and you know it.
Epignosis is my top suspect.
If that were my plan, do you think I'd employ it in such a way?JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 10:25 pm I guess I'll ebwop it.
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 10:22 pmThe nip the Sloonei/Jay teamwork in the bud as quickly as possible, if not merely for you and I then for other observers of you and I, because if left unchecked it usually ends in civilian victories.
Relevant posts within twelve hours of the game starting (while most people were in bed): 0JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 12:51 am Number of relevant posts in this thread before I pooped: 0
Number of relevant posts in this thread after I pooped: 150+
You're welcome.
I'm not interested in examples in which so-and-so did such-and-such as mafia.
I was in bed, but I assume this means 3J voted for me before even finding out if votes could be changed or not.
I'm the one who put out that fire. dunya didn't even vote for you. She voted alongside you.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 2:05 amI was able to take over as town leader because of the low activity. I was unable to take over as town leader in Mountain Mafia because of the high activity. Cultivating a thread environment that benefits my faction is perhaps the most important skill I have developed over the years as a Mafia player. I was actually close to getting there in Mountains too, but when dunya replaced in she re-ignited it (to her credit).
Sorry, but you'll have to wait until next year to nominate that for "The Biggest Load of Shit Epignosis has Ever Dumped into a Mafia Thread."JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 10:31 am
This is the biggest load of shit I've ever seen Epignosis dump into a Mafia thread.
Can you reword the question. I don't understand what's being asked.Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 12:40 pmI don't know. Epi should answer this.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 12:23 pm Sloonei, if Epi's suspicion of me is built upon my reaction to his turd, why is the premier premise he's promoted that my initial poop on Kyle was a performance rather than a real attempt to generate content? That was my first action in this thread, well before he turded you and I.
I do not plan on voting for you today.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 1:22 pm If people are going to vote for me, I just have one request: keep the tally close. Don't let the wagon take off.
Suspect me for saying that if you want, I don't give a shit. Just please keep it close.
But it's LC that drives me bananas.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 1:32 pmCould be. If so, it sheds a lot of new light on why that always sets LC off so much.
Yours.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 2:03 pmThe question was meant for Sloonei. He feels your suspicion of me is more a matter of my reaction to your initial suggestion that he and I are mafia teammates. I am suggesting that your suspicion of me pre-dates that, because it originates with my initial "fake tell" move against Kyle and your suggestion that it was me faking it.Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 2:01 pmCan you reword the question. I don't understand what's being asked.Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 12:40 pmI don't know. Epi should answer this.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 12:23 pm Sloonei, if Epi's suspicion of me is built upon my reaction to his turd, why is the premier premise he's promoted that my initial poop on Kyle was a performance rather than a real attempt to generate content? That was my first action in this thread, well before he turded you and I.
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Which of those assertions is more accurate?
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 2:03 pmWhatEpignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 2:01 pmCan you reword the question. I don't understand what's being asked.Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 12:40 pmI don't know. Epi should answer this.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 12:23 pm Sloonei, if Epi's suspicion of me is built upon my reaction to his turd, why is the premier premise he's promoted that my initial poop on Kyle was a performance rather than a real attempt to generate content? That was my first action in this thread, well before he turded you and I.
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Good thing you clarified. I interpreted your reaction as "What"Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 2:04 pm Inore that. My phone got ahead of itself and told me I was done using the keypad.
What is the true source of your suspicion against Jay, Epi? Did it begin in earnest before you announced your paranoia read about the two of us, or did it begin with his prod of Kyle? Or some other time?
I get all that.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 2:30 pmFolks need to understand that "catching mafia" isn't the only thing to when a game begins. Some mild suspicions can emerge from a pile of bullshit (which my "tell" on Kyle absolutely was), but civilian reads can come of that too. Any game-relevant content can be judged for alignment. That mini rainbow I spat out was an immediate reception of how the maneuver was handled by people in the thread. Early in a game it's the latter I care about most. Making a confident mafia read on Day 1 is very difficult, but confident civilian reads come more easily. I value that a lot, and it can't happen if the content in the thread doesn't reflect people playing the game.Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 2:24 pm At the same time, I was thinking about how 3J said something obviously absurd (at least it was obvious to me), and that if the plan was to figure out who is bad by generating content from saying something so obviously absurd (3J at least took credit for generating content), how genuine was 3J being? The fake tell maneuver was too over-the-top for me to believe that an honest 3J expected to catch mafia with it, and because of that, it looked too much like an act.
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 12:26 pmHe's strong-arming us!
nutella's reaction doesn't strike me as serious:
Other than Sloonei (who voted on the basis of Kyle's reaction), who said anything about your opening move? Kylemii appears to be the only one to take what you said about him seriously.nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 3:29 pmboom rektJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 1:12 pmSo you recognize the parallel then?Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 1:11 pm okay so you think a 48 hour long game with teens who kept being terrible dicks to each other is going to be indicative of how I play in a real game as mafia?
one game isn't enough for real tell correlation, famous poker player sneezes the first time they roll a full house you don't just assume that they have a full house the second time they sneeze
I didn't take MacDougall's vote seriously. My impression was that he was getting revenge for his Day 1 lynch elsewhere.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 2:05 pmDo you have any perspectives of the people who have done so, or mused over suspecting me?Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 2:03 pmI do not plan on voting for you today.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 1:22 pm If people are going to vote for me, I just have one request: keep the tally close. Don't let the wagon take off.
Suspect me for saying that if you want, I don't give a shit. Just please keep it close.
Holy hell, that's basically what I'm accusing you of now.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:01 pmHave you met Epignosis?speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 2:57 pm I'm sure Scum Epi would go after JJJ first. Because he's such an easy townie to lynch.
Because you're a shitty Day 1 lynch.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:19 pm
The most pressing question emerging from this then would be: Epignosis, why won't you be voting for me today?
Now you're just fishing for compliments.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:23 pmWhy?Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:21 pmBecause you're a shitty Day 1 lynch.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:19 pm
The most pressing question emerging from this then would be: Epignosis, why won't you be voting for me today?
Nobody gets an automatic pass. Passes have to be earned.Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:31 pmSo?Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:21 pmBecause you're a shitty Day 1 lynch.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:19 pm
The most pressing question emerging from this then would be: Epignosis, why won't you be voting for me today?
I disagree that any player should get an automatic pass on Day 1, just because they're a shitty lynch.
I like giving people shit.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:35 pm
You always give people shit for being afraid to lynch me. Are you afraid to lynch me?
Jay would probably tell you that there should be no low-posters.
I alluded to why earlier: I read his posts in his voice and I feel like I am hearing the same civilian Kylemii. Granted, I have no alternative alignment audio to which I can compare that, but for Day 1, I'm comfortable enough with what I'm hearing in my head.
nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 9:27 pm Yeah I don't get what Epi is saying here. Like, it's reasonable to be cautious of the possibility of Jay/Sloonei w/w, because that would be fucking scary, but it really doesn't make sense for him to assume that this is the case based on the way they have interacted so far (which is pretty much how they always interact as civs).
How do you go from "I don't get what Epi is saying here" to "OK, "I've been on Jay's side pretty much throughout this Epi bullshit?"nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:53 pm OK, I've been on Jay's side pretty much throughout this Epi bullshit, and the comparisons to RvB and WTNV, as well as Epi apparently being afraid to lynch Jay, seal it for me. I'm voting for Epi. There's a sea of wifom here but basically I don't think he should be acting like this even if it's to provoke reactions such as mine.
A good foreman will tell the difference between a guy who spills the nails and a guy who doesn't care about the roof.
Only one person can be lynched at a time. When you have a quiet person (or a non-poster) who is mafia, lynching that person comes down to what almost amounts to luck, especially early on. If 3J is bad, leaving him alive Day 1 is a wise strategic move because Jay is a guaranteed talker, one who (more than anybody I know) will eventually comment on everybody.
If that's the case, then she never cared to get what I was saying in the first place.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 4:05 pmWhat's the issue with that? She is questioning your commentary in the first post (and providing the same argument that I provided, meaning she was on my side) and then has progressed to greater suspicion in the second post.Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:58 pm Yeah, no.
nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 9:27 pm Yeah I don't get what Epi is saying here. Like, it's reasonable to be cautious of the possibility of Jay/Sloonei w/w, because that would be fucking scary, but it really doesn't make sense for him to assume that this is the case based on the way they have interacted so far (which is pretty much how they always interact as civs).How do you go from "I don't get what Epi is saying here" to "OK, "I've been on Jay's side pretty much throughout this Epi bullshit?"nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:53 pm OK, I've been on Jay's side pretty much throughout this Epi bullshit, and the comparisons to RvB and WTNV, as well as Epi apparently being afraid to lynch Jay, seal it for me. I'm voting for Epi. There's a sea of wifom here but basically I don't think he should be acting like this even if it's to provoke reactions such as mine.
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I was referring to her most recent post.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 4:17 pmFirst post, no. She doesn't get it, but isn't calling for a lynch. Second post, perhaps.
Lorab is someone I've wrongly accused more times than I can count. I think I've been right about her once. I have no opinion on her today. Nothing stands out.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 4:30 pm nutella voters, please tell me what you think of LoRab.
You don't care about the roof.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:05 pmWhat about meeeeeee?Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 4:38 pmLorab is someone I've wrongly accused more times than I can count. I think I've been right about her once. I have no opinion on her today. Nothing stands out.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 4:30 pm nutella voters, please tell me what you think of LoRab.
3J's second post was full of shit.nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:05 pm Ok first of all, no Epi it was not a stretch to say I was on Jay's side the whole time because I thought your accusation was bs right off the bat and because I had just caught up on 5 pages since my previous post and agreed with Jay throughout that reading.
Epi is full of shit and I will stand by that. I think he looks very bad because of it, but I could be wrong because I don't have a good handle on why he might act like this regardless of his alignment. I could be persuaded to vote for someone else (save Jay and Kyle) but for now Epi is my top suspect and I don't see what's opportunistic about that.
It hardly needed to be explained.nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:21 pmBecause he did it first, because he has since explained, and because he's JJJ. Any more questions?Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:12 pm3J's second post was full of shit.nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:05 pm Ok first of all, no Epi it was not a stretch to say I was on Jay's side the whole time because I thought your accusation was bs right off the bat and because I had just caught up on 5 pages since my previous post and agreed with Jay throughout that reading.
Epi is full of shit and I will stand by that. I think he looks very bad because of it, but I could be wrong because I don't have a good handle on why he might act like this regardless of his alignment. I could be persuaded to vote for someone else (save Jay and Kyle) but for now Epi is my top suspect and I don't see what's opportunistic about that.
Why doesn't he look very bad because of it?
This isn't a pissing contest.nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:28 pmOkay. So if you lynch me you better be prepared to say "tsk tsk, she should have played better." Deal?speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:23 pmunhelpful =/= scummy.
If Epi flips town, you're setting yourself up here to say "he took it too far" "It's his fault" "he should have played better"
linki: "did it first"
So the first person to fling bricks is allowed. The rest of us can't?
And... kind of. Depends on the situation, but I felt like Epi was taking advantage of the discussion of Jay's poop to toss in his own brazen accusation in hopes of getting lauded as an insightful town leader trying to stimulate discussion. No offense but Jay really has the comparative advantage in that business.
On what basis?MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:45 pm I generally read Lorab wrong and I am reading her town so take that fwiw.
