The Syndicate

Eek! I'm here!!!! Went to bed before first post was up last night and then one of those days where I didn't actually have time to check in. I need to get used to scheduling games into my day again!! I'm totally distracted tonight by life, so unsure about thread goings on. I need to reread to figure out what I think about Kyle, J, Epi, etc. I should be around a bunch tomorrow.

And totally appreciating all of the thread jewiness, btw! Shalom, y'all!

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 1:07 am

LoRab wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 1:04 am And totally appreciating all of the thread jewiness, btw! Shalom, y'all!

My main goal for this game coming in was to achieve appropriate levels of jewiness.

Mazal tov!! I grant you official rabbinic approval!

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:55 am

LoRab wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 1:04 am Eek! I'm here!!!! Went to bed before first post was up last night and then one of those days where I didn't actually have time to check in. I need to get used to scheduling games into my day again!! I'm totally distracted tonight by life, so unsure about thread goings on. I need to reread to figure out what I think about Kyle, J, Epi, etc. I should be around a bunch tomorrow.

And totally appreciating all of the thread jewiness, btw! Shalom, y'all!

This is LoRab's only non-green post. There's a little player salad. It's not my favorite post. She should be given a chance to say more in the coming hours.

She will. She skimmed everything before this post and had things going on and was distracted. She's been busy all morning. She is starting to forumulate thoughts.

OK....I'm not seeing 3J as bad--I'm seeing his typical civ game. I'm also not seeing Kyle as bad--his reaction rings true with what I remember his reaction being in general when accused in any way--I'm null on him. I could see Epi being bad (despite his use of Hebrew in a post, and almost spelling it correctly except for the stray vowel)--while I've seen him go after people for no reason (often me) in games, and have seen him drop seeds to see what grows, I've also seen him as mafia pretend to do this--pretty much what he's claimed 3J has done. Perhaps my lens is colored by the fact that I'm reading 3J as civ, and considering that mafia are going to try for lynching civs, particularly in a 1 baddie team game.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:12 pm

LoRab wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 2:56 pm--his reaction rings true with what I remember his reaction being in general when accused in any way--

i haven't improved at all since then, have i

Haven't played with you enough to know, lol. But it's not a bad thing that you react that way. It's just who you are.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:36 pm

LoRab wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 2:56 pm OK....I'm not seeing 3J as bad--I'm seeing his typical civ game. I'm also not seeing Kyle as bad--his reaction rings true with what I remember his reaction being in general when accused in any way--I'm null on him. I could see Epi being bad (despite his use of Hebrew in a post, and almost spelling it correctly except for the stray vowel)--while I've seen him go after people for no reason (often me) in games, and have seen him drop seeds to see what grows, I've also seen him as mafia pretend to do this--pretty much what he's claimed 3J has done. Perhaps my lens is colored by the fact that I'm reading 3J as civ, and considering that mafia are going to try for lynching civs, particularly in a 1 baddie team game.

Can you recall a previous game you played with Kyle that informs your perception of him now?

I played a dozen or so games with him on LP and The Piano and hosted him at least once in Muppet (he was bad)--can't remember if he played any other games I hosted.

I'm not seeing baddie LA. I also feel like there was quite the bandwagon going on earlier against her, although it seems to have moved off.

I'm going to vote Epi for now. I'm not feeling great and may fall asleep on the keyboard, so want to be sure to not forget to vote. He's really the only one I'm noticing who is playing their baddie game.

Shabbat shalom, bitches.

So, I indeed fell asleep last night. And had one of those days at work with way too many meetings and having to write a sermon in the midst of it...complete with a trip to the doctor who put me on antibiotics for a sinus infection. Still finishing reading the last lynch and the overnight chat.

The wagon on daisy seemed to happen pretty quickly, which doesn't look good. Still have an eye on Epi. Still reading up on a really busy end of day, so unsure if anything changed.

I'm in Philly for tomorrow for the women's march--won't be on much during the day, but late afternoon and evening I should be all full of posting.

Will try to finish reading up tonight. We'll see how long I am able to stay awake.

Linkitis: No death is good and interesting...welcome back Daisy....

Much catch up. I am sure I missed some posts that I meant to answer.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 4:31 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 4:16 am

LoRab wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 7:20 pm I'm not seeing baddie LA. I also feel like there was quite the bandwagon going on earlier against her, although it seems to have moved off.

I'm going to vote Epi for now. I'm not feeling great and may fall asleep on the keyboard, so want to be sure to not forget to vote. He's really the only one I'm noticing who is playing their baddie game.

nutella it's interesting, Lorab only made 7 posts and one of them she took the time to make a civ read on you yet here you are with a mafia read on her? 7 posts, one of which is a civ clear on you and you think she is Mafia? What's that based on?

it's complicated. we have a history

lorab and I used to always trust each other because we often had similar thought processes/styles. I think she may be working with a slightly outdated view of my meta because she hasn't played with me very recently and I've been changing up quite a bit I think (or trying to), but she still correctly identifies me as town which could be legitimate but also could be lazy or (as you suggest about marmot) that she knows I'm good because she's bad. Since she hasn't been participating much at all it felt lazy to me, like she felt as if our past extensive familiarity with each other specially qualified her to weigh in on me. and I know she's been too busy to keep up/hasn't been online much, but I'm uncomfortable with how little she has said.

however, I think I had forgotten she'd called out Epi on her own terms. So actually scratch her being a likely teammate for him. I don't think she'd bus that hard.

It's more that I saw a bandwagon form against you out of nowhere, which made me believe you were likely not bad. The reasons people were giving didn't really resonate--I not so much meant I thought you were civ, but that I didn't have compelling reason to think you bad, or to get why there was a slew of votes being cast your way at that moment.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 7:49 pm Reason for reading Nut as town is basically emotional tone from her posts. She also doesn't seem to get flinched and have views I can follow and rather agree with. To be fair we did (I think both) genuinly misread each other when we were on opposite scum teams, but that is a difference dynamic anyway. She reads genuine to me.

Reason for suspecting FZ is just an apologetic tone and always being on the back burner. I also don't think she vibes very different than from the one game I've played with her when she was scum (but I was also scum with her and knew her alignment then). Content is little and a bit vague.

Btw, LoRab's posts are reading very vague and scummy to me. I think Epig mentioned him having misread her before, but they seem like very "general typical scum" posts afaic. Players with meta on her, what do you think?

@MacDoug, What's your reasoning for Nut and FZ read?

I don't think we've ever played together. So, hi. Nice to meet you. This is generaly how I play--my posts often seem like they are "general typical scum" to those who have come from more typical gaming sites than those I have ever played on. If you have any specific questions, I'm happy to answer them. Other than that, you don't really give me anything to defend on.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 8:02 pm I voted LoRab. I don't have any other reason than the posts sounds meh to me. Hi, LoRab, write an angry letter to me.

Why would I write an angry letter? Not really my style. Unless someone really pisses me off, and you are no where near doing that, lol. But, really 1 vote on day 1 doesn't make me angry. It makes me wonder why you suspect me, but I'm not angry.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 2:25 am

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 2:19 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 2:17 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 2:00 am

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 1:56 am That is one thing you and I can agree on, but more on that when I post the coherent version of my thoughts later. First let's hear some conversation in here and it better be more than conversation about freaking Kyle or people just saying Epi is a foregone conclusion. That's just about as lame as my lynch was. Even if he is lynched, don't sit there and twiddle your thumbs and say, aren't we all just voting Epi?

Since you've had a 24-hour period of just being able to ruminate without posting, I have a request of you. I'm going to put some pairings below. Make the assumption, in each pairing, that one is scum and one is not. Then tell me which one you'd shoot.

Epi vs Jay
Epi vs Sloonei
Dizzy vs FZ
LoRab vs Marmot

Feel free to throw one out if you have no thoughts on it, or throw another pair in.

Epi
Epi
Dizzy
LoRab

y tho

I'd have picked FZ and Marmot for sure (well Lorab vs Marmot is less sure but. guise dizzy is fosho town yo)

tell me about those two picks

Dizzy vs. FZ was a gut check. I got some mild honest vibes from FZ earlier, but it's not something I could really articulate, or something I'd hold onto. I'm still not sure why you're so sure about Dizzy.
LoRab's got 8 posts and I think more than half of them have an apology for being out of the thread. I always feel bad for bringing things like this up, but I prefer it to keeping my thoughts concealed when they could be helpful. To be clear, I fully believe her when she says she has reasons not to be here. But seeing that sort of thing in the thread always strikes me as potentially being a scum player seeking to avoid heavy scrutiny. Or a townie who doesn't want to appear like they're neglecting the game. I also felt like Marmot was sincere last night.

why is Dizzy fo sho town?

I generally post when I'm not going to be around, because my schedule tends to be different from that of others. I'm really just hoping that people will not think I'm purposefully neglecting the game--just struggling to find time the past few days. Things should clear up a bit now, though. Theoretically at least.

FZ. wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 3:41 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 3:02 pm We had no nightkill last night, but nobody is talking about things that might have caused that. I have trouble identifying a clear-cut consensus town read, so a doctor save on Night 1 would be incredible but not impossible. What other roles are there that could have stopped a kill from going through?

How about :
Perchik is a revolutionary, wanting to usher in a new era to Russia. It didn't pan out so well. To shake things up, he will redirect a player every night.

If that's the case, it means Perchik got the Constable, no?

@linki: What's LMS?

How would Perchik targeting the Constable prevent a kill? I'm not understanding what you're saying.

Can someone summarize LC's case against Speedchuck? I missed it in my read through and would love the gist of it.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:39 pm I'm voting for @LoRab

Why?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:45 pm

LoRab wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 5:57 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 4:31 amit's complicated. we have a history

lorab and I used to always trust each other because we often had similar thought processes/styles. I think she may be working with a slightly outdated view of my meta because she hasn't played with me very recently and I've been changing up quite a bit I think (or trying to), but she still correctly identifies me as town which could be legitimate but also could be lazy or (as you suggest about marmot) that she knows I'm good because she's bad. Since she hasn't been participating much at all it felt lazy to me, like she felt as if our past extensive familiarity with each other specially qualified her to weigh in on me. and I know she's been too busy to keep up/hasn't been online much, but I'm uncomfortable with how little she has said.

however, I think I had forgotten she'd called out Epi on her own terms. So actually scratch her being a likely teammate for him. I don't think she'd bus that hard.

It's more that I saw a bandwagon form against you out of nowhere, which made me believe you were likely not bad. The reasons people were giving didn't really resonate--I not so much meant I thought you were civ, but that I didn't have compelling reason to think you bad, or to get why there was a slew of votes being cast your way at that moment.

I felt like there was some backtracking in this answer, like she didn't want to have to fully justify a town read on Nutella, so she morphed it into simply not liking the earlier bandwagon against her.

missed this before I asked. I was further explaining what I had meant earlier. I guess I could see how you could read it that way. But, nothing I can really do about having elaborated on my earlier post after it was discussed--which was really about the bandwagon that came out of nowhere.

Am I really the only one who thought the nutella bandwagon was suspish? Yes, the votes moved, but I still really don't see why they went onto LA in the first place.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:57 pm

LoRab wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:52 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:45 pm

LoRab wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 5:57 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 4:31 amit's complicated. we have a history

lorab and I used to always trust each other because we often had similar thought processes/styles. I think she may be working with a slightly outdated view of my meta because she hasn't played with me very recently and I've been changing up quite a bit I think (or trying to), but she still correctly identifies me as town which could be legitimate but also could be lazy or (as you suggest about marmot) that she knows I'm good because she's bad. Since she hasn't been participating much at all it felt lazy to me, like she felt as if our past extensive familiarity with each other specially qualified her to weigh in on me. and I know she's been too busy to keep up/hasn't been online much, but I'm uncomfortable with how little she has said.

however, I think I had forgotten she'd called out Epi on her own terms. So actually scratch her being a likely teammate for him. I don't think she'd bus that hard.

It's more that I saw a bandwagon form against you out of nowhere, which made me believe you were likely not bad. The reasons people were giving didn't really resonate--I not so much meant I thought you were civ, but that I didn't have compelling reason to think you bad, or to get why there was a slew of votes being cast your way at that moment.

I felt like there was some backtracking in this answer, like she didn't want to have to fully justify a town read on Nutella, so she morphed it into simply not liking the earlier bandwagon against her.

missed this before I asked. I was further explaining what I had meant earlier. I guess I could see how you could read it that way. But, nothing I can really do about having elaborated on my earlier post after it was discussed--which was really about the bandwagon that came out of nowhere.

Am I really the only one who thought the nutella bandwagon was suspish? Yes, the votes moved, but I still really don't see why they went onto LA in the first place.

who were the people on this bandwagon? which of them were most suspicious to you?
i don't think I was around when it happened. any memories you have of the specifics would be helpful.

I'll go back and see if I can figure it out.

Read back on the LAwagon.

Epi started it. Speedchuck agreed. A few players defended her, there was back and forth about it. Wilgy pops in and jumps on the wagon.

Apparently, 3J also voted for her for a short bit:

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:40 pm JJJ is back to Epi without announcing that he was once on nutella.

Who else was on nutella? There were 4 votes there once upon a time.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:51 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:40 pm JJJ is back to Epi without announcing that he was once on nutella.

Who else was on nutella? There were 4 votes there once upon a time.

"I have clicked a button" was the nutella vote. I think she sounds genuine right now. I don't know her as the type to rage against people when she's bad, least of all Epignosis.

But pretty quickly seems to have changed his mind.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:35 pm LoRab ISO:

LoRab wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 1:04 am Eek! I'm here!!!! Went to bed before first post was up last night and then one of those days where I didn't actually have time to check in. I need to get used to scheduling games into my day again!! I'm totally distracted tonight by life, so unsure about thread goings on. I need to reread to figure out what I think about Kyle, J, Epi, etc. I should be around a bunch tomorrow.

And totally appreciating all of the thread jewiness, btw! Shalom, y'all!

Aimless player salad.

LoRab wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 2:56 pm OK....I'm not seeing 3J as bad--I'm seeing his typical civ game. I'm also not seeing Kyle as bad--his reaction rings true with what I remember his reaction being in general when accused in any way--I'm null on him. I could see Epi being bad (despite his use of Hebrew in a post, and almost spelling it correctly except for the stray vowel)--while I've seen him go after people for no reason (often me) in games, and have seen him drop seeds to see what grows, I've also seen him as mafia pretend to do this--pretty much what he's claimed 3J has done. Perhaps my lens is colored by the fact that I'm reading 3J as civ, and considering that mafia are going to try for lynching civs, particularly in a 1 baddie team game.

Eh. The rationale for suspecting Epignosis here seems to depend upon an assumption either he or I must be bad. There's little consideration that we're just engaged in a token Day 1 civilian-civilian fist fight.

LoRab wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 7:20 pm I'm not seeing baddie LA. I also feel like there was quite the bandwagon going on earlier against her, although it seems to have moved off.

I'm going to vote Epi for now. I'm not feeling great and may fall asleep on the keyboard, so want to be sure to not forget to vote. He's really the only one I'm noticing who is playing their baddie game.

To this point we have three town reads (JJJ, Kyle, nutella) and suspicion focused upon Epignosis. I don't think they're both mafia. I'd have liked this more had she talked a bit more about what "Epi playing his baddie game" entails, and why she has that perception now.

Vague shade thrown at Daisy 1.0 wagon and offline commentary. Okay.

Chatter on nutella town read, which amounts to more of a "don't agree with the cases against you" read without a committed civilian-colored skittle. She answered to some Dizzy accusations in the same post, explaining herself and her style -- she didn't probe into her accuser at all.

~~~

I don't have a compelling reason to give her civilian credit, and I have a few concerns to boot. She remains a suspect.

Why would I probe into my accuser? Especially 48 hours later? I'm actually not even sure what you mean by probe into my accuser.

I mean, I welcome the suspicion from you and am happy to clarify anything. I'm not sure what your concerns are, honestly.

As for Epi, I'm still susipcious of him. I'm happy to talk more about why. Some of it is that he did exactly what he accused others of doing, in a way that twists reality in a way that Epi tends to do. He also tends to play a baddie game in small set ups that is rather out there--sometimes even making what would generally be obvious baddie movies, betting on the fact that no one will pick up on it--or that the risk of that outweighs the benefits (like, of going after a strong civie on day 1). Also, see below.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:30 pm

LoRab wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:27 pm Read back on the LAwagon.

Epi started it. Speedchuck agreed. A few players defended her, there was back and forth about it. Wilgy pops in and jumps on the wagon.

Apparently, 3J also voted for her for a short bit:

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:40 pm JJJ is back to Epi without announcing that he was once on nutella.

Who else was on nutella? There were 4 votes there once upon a time.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:51 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:40 pm JJJ is back to Epi without announcing that he was once on nutella.

Who else was on nutella? There were 4 votes there once upon a time.

"I have clicked a button" was the nutella vote. I think she sounds genuine right now. I don't know her as the type to rage against people when she's bad, least of all Epignosis.

But pretty quickly seems to have changed his mind.

Do any of these folks stand out as particularly suspicious for their involvement in this short-lived bandwagon?

Well, we already know I'm suspicious of Epi. Looking at LC's post on speedchuck, his main point against him was that he jumped on the kylewagon and then didn't let go--which is simmilar to what he did here. So, that makes me eyeball him more. Wilgy? I have no idea. He's Wilgy. 3J I don't suspect for this.

What do you think?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:53 pm

LoRab wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:50 pm Looking at LC's post on speedchuck, his main point against him was that he jumped on the kylewagon and then didn't let go--which is simmilar to what he did here. So, that makes me eyeball him more.

Clarification: Eyeballing me or LC more?

Eyeballing you more.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:58 pm

LoRab wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:50 pmWell, we already know I'm suspicious of Epi. Looking at LC's post on speedchuck, his main point against him was that he jumped on the kylewagon and then didn't let go--which is simmilar to what he did here. So, that makes me eyeball him more. Wilgy? I have no idea. He's Wilgy. 3J I don't suspect for this.

What do you think?

I think that the substance of your Epignosis suspicion is unclear. I see that you are suspicious of him, but I don't quite see why. Could you talk more about that?
I'm also not sure what to make of your speedchuck suspicion here. what is the relationship between Long Con's case against speedchuck, speedchuck's pressure of kyle, and speedchuck's involvement in this nutella bandwagon?

My suspicion of Epi is that he's going after players in a way that he does when he's bad, particularly when he's bad in a speed game--I've tried to explain it a few times now...not sure how to differently articulate my feelings.

And my suspicion of speedchuck, based on his jumping on the LA bandwagon, coupled wit LC's case--which I read as, essentially, jumpting on the kyle bandwagon--show a pattern of behavior which I don't see as civ behavior. Does that make more sense?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:13 am

LoRab wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:07 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:58 pm

LoRab wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:50 pmWell, we already know I'm suspicious of Epi. Looking at LC's post on speedchuck, his main point against him was that he jumped on the kylewagon and then didn't let go--which is simmilar to what he did here. So, that makes me eyeball him more. Wilgy? I have no idea. He's Wilgy. 3J I don't suspect for this.

What do you think?

I think that the substance of your Epignosis suspicion is unclear. I see that you are suspicious of him, but I don't quite see why. Could you talk more about that?
I'm also not sure what to make of your speedchuck suspicion here. what is the relationship between Long Con's case against speedchuck, speedchuck's pressure of kyle, and speedchuck's involvement in this nutella bandwagon?

My suspicion of Epi is that he's going after players in a way that he does when he's bad, particularly when he's bad in a speed game--I've tried to explain it a few times now...not sure how to differently articulate my feelings.

Could you point to an example of him doing this on Day 2?

And my suspicion of speedchuck, based on his jumping on the LA bandwagon, coupled wit LC's case--which I read as, essentially, jumpting on the kyle bandwagon--show a pattern of behavior which I don't see as civ behavior. Does that make more sense?

I'm not sure. What is "unciv" about taking part in these particular bandwagons?

I haven't seen him do it day 2, but not every player does the same things every day, so I'm not sure it makes a difference. At least not to me. And it's my suspicion, so I'm really the only one that it matters to. His day 1 behavior makes me suspicious of him. Nothing he has done day 2 makes me feel better about him. Does that make more sense?

And this post from day 1 is kind of the best summary of why I suspect Epi:

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:07 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:01 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 2:57 pm I'm sure Scum Epi would go after JJJ first. Because he's such an easy townie to lynch.

Have you met Epignosis?

Holy hell, that's basically what I'm accusing you of now.

That sort of joking arrogance--pointing out exactly what he's doing, but in a joking way and involving someone else, is what I have noticed him doing, particularly as a baddie (and not so much as a civie).

If my reasons for suspecting him don't resonate with you, that's ok. I'm not sure saying it in different words is going to change your mind about Epi. But, that's why I find him suspish.

As for speedchuck, it's not those particular bandwagons, but that he jumped on bandwagons in general. Come to think of it, he voted for Daisy, too. I see jumping on all the bandwagons as typically non-civ behavior, as it makes it easier to hide, and to vote for non-teammates without being obvious about it.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:25 am How do you read me, @LoRab?

I don't have much of a read, tbh. My gut says civ.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:30 am

LoRab wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:28 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:25 am How do you read me, LoRab?

I don't have much of a read, tbh. My gut says civ.

why?
Do you have anything to say at all about Epi's play on Day 2?

Like I said--it's gut. Gut, to me, says there isn't a real reason, just a general feeling.

I don't have much to say on Epi's play Day 2. It has felt fairly neutral to me.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:33 am

LoRab wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:32 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:30 am

LoRab wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:28 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:25 am How do you read me, LoRab?

I don't have much of a read, tbh. My gut says civ.

why?
Do you have anything to say at all about Epi's play on Day 2?

Like I said--it's gut. Gut, to me, says there isn't a real reason, just a general feeling.

I don't have much to say on Epi's play Day 2. It has felt fairly neutral to me.

Do you have any other reads to share?

Not particularly. I have other players I feel are probably civ, but no reason to point them out. If I had other reads on players I think are bad, I'd have stated them by now.

Do you care to say why you think I'm bad, other than the fact that you disagree with the reasons I suspect people?

there, I voted now.

The habit of waiting until the end to vote is strong.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:51 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:48 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:47 am @y'all: what do you think of LoRab right now?

Lukewarm suspicion. What's her biggest offense?

Our exchange began with her stating a gripe against the nutella bandwagon. I asked her to investigate it. She did. The reads she produced were that Epignosis was suspicious regardless of how he looked in the nutella wagon, and that speedchuck was suspicious simply for being there and for dipping his toes in a lot of bandwagons. She made absolutely no comment on you, despite you also throwing your vote all over the place like speedchuck. I don't buy that these are sincere suspicions.

That's an interesting way to read what I said. Epi started the bandwagon. Speedchuk jumped onto it, as he did with Kyle and as he did with Daisy. he did so wholeheartedly in all cases. J's moving his vote was different, and more pointed. In addition, he wasn't clear when he voted for LA, and also make some posts defending her, so his place in that bandwagon was much more ambiguous, hence my not having a conclusion about it. My suspicions are sincere, even if your logic doesn't match with mine.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:44 am

LoRab wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:36 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:33 am

LoRab wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:32 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:30 am

LoRab wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:28 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:25 am How do you read me, LoRab?

I don't have much of a read, tbh. My gut says civ.

why?
Do you have anything to say at all about Epi's play on Day 2?

Like I said--it's gut. Gut, to me, says there isn't a real reason, just a general feeling.

I don't have much to say on Epi's play Day 2. It has felt fairly neutral to me.

Do you have any other reads to share?

Not particularly. I have other players I feel are probably civ, but no reason to point them out. If I had other reads on players I think are bad, I'd have stated them by now.

Do you care to say why you think I'm bad, other than the fact that you disagree with the reasons I suspect people?

when did I tell you whether or not I agree with your reasons for suspecting people?

I think you're bad because the reads you've shared with me right now have not felt very thorough or convincing. Your read of Epi, the strongest one you possess in the game, is based on something vague that you can't identify in anything he's done this day phase. Your case against speedchuck is that he moves his vote around too much in a game with changeable votes. You only offered a "gut" civ read on me when I pressed you for it. And the read which started off this suspicion, your read of nutella, is similarly week. we started by talking about how that bandwagon was suspicious, and you ended by saying that speedchuck's involvement was suspicious because it was suspicious, and that Epi is suspicious regardless of whether or not he was involved. You didn't offer a comment on Jay, just brushed him off. You gave an (understandable) shrug to wilgy.

It's been a long time since I played a game with you, but I remember the strong town LoRab from Mad Max. I don't see her here.

That is how I make suspicions--I literally explained my thought process. So, yeah, you don't agree with my reasons, which you elaborate here. Yes, they are somewhat vague, because they are based on general reads of people. Also, I've done some major read ups of a dozen or so pages, more than once, which makes it hard to make big linky cases on people. At least for me.

As for your other points, I didn't offer a comment on JJJ because I have a mainly civ feeling about him, and his posts in the LA piece were ambiguous. And, it's not that speedchuck changes his vote a lot--it's that every time he changes it, it's to jump on a bandwagon.

Mad Max was a while ago, but it's likely that I was as ambiguous in my thoughts on day 2 as I am here, because that's how my suspicions usually work, except when there's a post that sticks out as wonky, which hasn't happened here.

So, yeah, I am really seeing it as you don't agree with my reasons.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:03 am Epi is my least favorite option in the three-way tie right now. I'm firmly in the LoRab camp.
which bums me out personally because I was stoked to play this game with her. But, here we are.

Maybe some day you'll accept that my logic is my logic, and I don't change it for other people. And that that really is the crux of your case.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:07 am

LoRab wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:05 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:03 am Epi is my least favorite option in the three-way tie right now. I'm firmly in the LoRab camp.
which bums me out personally because I was stoked to play this game with her. But, here we are.

Maybe some day you'll accept that my logic is my logic, and I don't change it for other people. And that that really is the crux of your case.

I do not object to your logic. I just do not see the steps involved in it.
Apologies if I'm wrong about you and the Rabbi sends you packing. I hope to play with you again soon.

It amounts to the same thing. You don't see how the logic makes sense to me. Nothing personal towards you--it's every single game on this site for me. I think through things in my own way, the steps don't make sense to othe people, and people think I'm being disingenuous/suspicious. I'm used to it by now.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:08 am Wait a minute wait a minute.



When people in here kept saying "the rabbi chooses," I thought they meant Lorab, meaning she would move her vote.

ROTFL

And you used Hebrew correctly earlier!!! So go you!

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2018 1:43 am Wait we're Jews we have no Lord.

I'm dead so I can't use pedantic pink, but this is just factually inaccurate. Jews use Lord language all the time in our theology. One of the main names for God (Adonai) is literally translated as My Lord.