The Syndicate

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Jimmy is scum because Epi makes perfect sense and Jimmy is trying to pretend he isn't.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 8:54 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 8:36 am
Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 12:27 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 12:11 am JaggedJimmyJay remains my #1 suspect. He wasn't trying to learn anything about Kyle or from other people. He was just trying to look like he was.

3J, you're bad at pretending.
I'm interested in an elaboration on this. Are there examples of Jay using his standard day 0 maneuver in a game where Jay was mafia? Did he do this in phenon or pirate?
I'm not interested in examples in which so-and-so did such-and-such as mafia.

What 3J describes is something that is very easy to replicate Day 1 when you are mafia, and on my end it looks like a quick way to establish early credibility: He is patting himself on the back for generating content by calling you bad based on some "tell" that apparently everyone but you knew didn't exist.

That doesn't impress me.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 12:59 am The votes appear to be changeable.
I was in bed, but I assume this means 3J voted for me before even finding out if votes could be changed or not.

Do you think a civilian 3J would cast a potentially permanent vote so early?
You’re mafia because you think my objective should be to “impress you”. Get the fuck out of here with that bullshit.

Regarding the vote, I actually didn’t even consider that it may not be changeable until the moment I submitted. Very few games have employed that rule recently, but I did recognize in the moment that DFaraday may be old school.

Holy misrepresentation to suit your nefarious requirements batman.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 8:56 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 7:22 am Jimmy is scum because Epi makes perfect sense and Jimmy is trying to pretend he isn't.
Snore.

Show me what makes so much sense.

Just read his iso. You are in shit sling mode because Epi is on the verge of handing you your ass. None of your arguments against him are rational. You are doubling down on omgus because it's wifom and your day 1 is a choreographed mimicry of your usual play without the common sense.

I also note the fact that Sloonei put distance between you two when Epi started to question the idea that you were teammates.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:40 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:21 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 8:56 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 7:22 am Jimmy is scum because Epi makes perfect sense and Jimmy is trying to pretend he isn't.
Snore.

Show me what makes so much sense.
Just read his iso. You are in shit sling mode because Epi is on the verge of handing you your ass. None of your arguments against him are rational. You are doubling down on omgus because it's wifom and your day 1 is a choreographed mimicry of your usual play without the common sense.
Cool, do that thing where you don’t actually answer shit. I think you’re town, because at this point in his Mafia life the only MacDougall who ever really trusts JJJ at all is scum MacDougall. The only memory I can recall is Talking Heads.

Nah I just can't iso on my phone to do what you asked tbh and it's after midnight. I'll do it tomorrow fam.

I trust you most of the time tbh. I just go through periods in some games where i develop paranoia because of how much trust you gain. Here I feel like you have been acting from the outset.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 1:42 pm The difference that I think speedchuck and Kyle are missing in my description of my own play:

Would I make it look like I am trying to accelerate a thread as a bad guy? Absolutely.

Would I actually do a good job? Nope.

This is such garbage.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:17 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:14 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 1:42 pm The difference that I think speedchuck and Kyle are missing in my description of my own play:

Would I make it look like I am trying to accelerate a thread as a bad guy? Absolutely.

Would I actually do a good job? Nope.
This is such garbage.
Your snail-paced civilian team in Transistor was a delight. I was able to accelerate nothing and take full control over every conversation.

That's not the part that I was referring to as garbage.

Firstly I wouldn't say acceleration of play is typically your agenda either way, perhaps when the game is slow yes but generally high volume is something to expect from you with or without other contributors.

And to discredit your mafia game is weird. I have seen you orchestrate as perceived supatown before to great effect and there are dusty memories likening this you to that you.

Sloonei you feel very different this game to MK.

JJJ what is your perspective on Sloonei?

I generally read Lorab wrong and I am reading her town so take that fwiw.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:32 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:28 pm Firstly I wouldn't say acceleration of play is typically your agenda either way, perhaps when the game is slow yes but generally high volume is something to expect from you with or without other contributors.

And to discredit your mafia game is weird. I have seen you orchestrate as perceived supatown before to great effect and there are dusty memories likening this you to that you.
I don't think you understand what I'm saying. I know my own volume is high across alignments. I am not talking about how hard I play or how hard I work, I am talking about the specific methods by which I cultivate a thread environment beneficial to my faction. There are clear differences.

It's funny how often I telegraph my own mafia-aligned methods, because nearly nobody listens to me and I can do it all anyway without fear of repercussion. Credit to MP at least who has used it against me to good effect in the past.

I kind of feel like you are doing that now but I can't quite put my finger on it.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:47 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:45 pm I generally read Lorab wrong and I am reading her town so take that fwiw.
On what basis?

Her posts feel similar to posts I vaguely recall from civ games she was in.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:40 pm JJJ is back to Epi without announcing that he was once on nutella.

Who else was on nutella? There were 4 votes there once upon a time.

Epignosis was the other. Strange.

Gth Daisy and Dizzy are scum.

Kyle you're scum too.

No iso button on phone dang it.

Let's lynch Kyle and then be overwhelmed by the wifom of his most recent post for the rest of the game.

Speedchuck in the interest of developing a read on you could you opine on the strangeways the Jay and Epi situation unfolded from the perspective of either being Mafia? It'll be fun.

Insert Matt Berry screaming "father" mp4 but change father to Long Con.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 6:04 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:59 pm Gth Daisy and Dizzy are scum.
Why those two and not the other low-content folks?

Because I can't think of a single post from those other low content folks to even have a gut read.

FZ. wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 6:06 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:56 pm Daisy, Dave, Dizzy, FZ, NVN, I have almost no impression at all of any of these players yet
I'm here, I'm trying to catch up but it's not working for me very well.
I'm on page 8 so things can change. At the moment, I find myself agreeing with JJJ on Epi. Something there feels not genuine. I haven't played for a while, but I think civ Epi is more careful, and what he's doing now, is acting like he's going full force after what he believes. Sloonei said he wouldn't be this blunt on day 1, but if people are going to say that, then Epi has no problem acting just like that.

Kyle is really defending himself and making sense, so I do feel better about him. That being said, I like to trust my initial instincts, and even though no one seemed to agree with me, the post I talked about did feel to me like a frustrated baddie who doesn't like the civvies' powers.

No don't stop now. Kyle is bad and we should lynch him.

FZ. wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 6:08 pm Why did Nutella get 2 votes?

Did wilgy actually post something with content?

Nutella made a post siding with Jay and Epi made a snap decision to vote for her which led to others following the ringleader including ironically for a time Jay but as they are want to do they have found another shiny object to chase meow.

Wilgy asked if we would like him to be scum.

We should lynch Kyle everybody. Definitely. He is a mafia.

I can't iso so you'll just have to trust me.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 6:12 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 6:11 pm We should lynch Kyle everybody. Definitely. He is a mafia.
Why?

You appear to not need convincing to vote for him so weird question there Sloonster. Tell me why you're voting for him and I will agree.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 6:15 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 6:04 pm Speedchuck in the interest of developing a read on you could you opine on the strangeways the Jay and Epi situation unfolded from the perspective of either being Mafia? It'll be fun.
I'm not around that much right now, so no. I could not.

Besides, I'm not on the poll, so you don't have to worry about me today.

linki: in Macdougall we trust
@DrWilgy if I followed Mac onto Kylemii would you follow me

linkilinkilinki I don't have time for this crap

Can you make a post that says Jimmy is scum plz?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 6:14 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 6:13 pm I can't iso so you'll just have to trust me.
Maybe describe it in a sentence. I don't need no stinkin' references.

Hot cake moonlight pilgrim yoho diablo.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 6:16 pm Jimmy is scum plz

So civ.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 6:17 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 6:15 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 6:12 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 6:11 pm We should lynch Kyle everybody. Definitely. He is a mafia.
Why?
You appear to not need convincing to vote for him so weird question there Sloonster. Tell me why you're voting for him and I will agree.
You'll agree with anything I say? I think Kyle is a crab person here to corrupt all our lives through mafia games. The sooner we're rid of him, the sooner we can propser.

I asked you why because I wanted to know what motivated your comment.

Compelling case. I agree.

Speed
Mac
Wilgy
Epi
JJJ
Marmot
Sloonei
Dyslexicon
LC
Kylemii
FZ
Novaselinenever
Dave
Daisy
Lorab
Nutella

My rainbow

I vote anyone but Dave and speedy.

FZ. wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 6:23 pm Mac, why are you so trusting of Epig?

Oops wrong emoji

FZ. wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 6:23 pm Mac, why are you so trusting of Epig?

That's better.

Had you started that post before or after my gth

FZ. wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 6:37 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 6:33 pm
FZ. wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 6:23 pm Mac, why are you so trusting of Epig?

That's better.
I forgot how helpful you could be

I don't trust him.

FZ. wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 6:40 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 6:39 pm
FZ. wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 6:37 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 6:33 pm
FZ. wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 6:23 pm Mac, why are you so trusting of Epig?

That's better.
I forgot how helpful you could be
I don't trust him.
So why did you put him in green in your rainbow?

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 6:53 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 6:20 pm Speed
Mac
Wilgy
Epi
JJJ
Marmot
Sloonei
Dyslexicon
LC
Kylemii
FZ
Novaselinenever
Dave
Daisy
Lorab
Nutella

My rainbow
This is very green-heavy.

Cool.

Hey nutella is it still suspicious now that you know it's speedchuck's list or were you just pretending you found it suspicious so you can post an emoji at me?

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 7:10 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 7:08 pm Hey nutella is it still suspicious now that you know it's speedchuck's list or were you just pretending you found it suspicious so you can post an emoji at me?
Are you even reading the thread my dude

That's rich coming from someone who didn't notice that my rainbow was copied from the previous page.

By the way yes. You went from suspish emoji at me when you thought it was my list to questioning his creativity when it's his.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 7:11 pm But also why did you copy speed's rainbow I don't get the joke

New tactic.

I am going to divide the player list into 3. Group 1 are the players who have provided me with ample opportunity to formulate a read. Group 2 have given some. Group 3 might as well be absent for the amount of insight I am able to glean. I will do a rainbow list per group.

Group 1 - Give the most credence to these reads.

Speed
Epi
JJJ
Sloonei
Kylemii

Group 2 - Give some credence to these reads.

FZ
Dyslexicon
Nutella

Group 3 - Pay no mind sunshine.

LC
Lorab
Novaselinenever
Dave
Daisy
Wilgy
Marmot

Outcomes - For me personally, a Kylemii lynch is most suitable for a variety of reasons. As far as the players that I am reading negatively he has given me the most the work with, which should lend credibility to the read. Furthermore the removal of a player from group 1 would offer more impact on the overall picture of my reads than someone from either group 2 or group 3.

I would also would be reasonably happy with a Nutella lynch. I wouldn't be upset by the lynch of anybody else aside from FZ and Speedchuck.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 7:22 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 7:17 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 7:13 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 7:12 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 7:10 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 7:08 pm Hey nutella is it still suspicious now that you know it's speedchuck's list or were you just pretending you found it suspicious so you can post an emoji at me?
Are you even reading the thread my dude
That's rich coming from someone who didn't notice that my rainbow was copied from the previous page.

By the way yes. You went from suspish emoji at me when you thought it was my list to questioning his creativity when it's his.
ok "green is not a creative color" was just a silly reference to a youtube video. I felt the same way about the list having that much green regardless of who made it, and I must have glossed over it when speed posted it originally.
Does this mean then that your suspicion on this matter is for speedchuck and not for MacDougall?
Sure, but I have already discussed this with speedchuck and more or less resolved the matter. Meanwhile my question about Mac copying the list still stands.

I am not sure how I feel about either of them at the moment.

So when I asked the question the reply is "are you even reading the thread" but when he asks it you provide this level of insight? Interesting.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 7:21 pm New tactic.

I am going to divide the player list into 3. Group 1 are the players who have provided me with ample opportunity to formulate a read. Group 2 have given some. Group 3 might as well be absent for the amount of insight I am able to glean. I will do a rainbow list per group.

Group 1 - Give the most credence to these reads.

Speed
Epi
JJJ
Sloonei
Kylemii

Group 2 - Give some credence to these reads.

FZ
Dyslexicon
Nutella

Group 3 - Pay no mind sunshine.

LC
Lorab
Novaselinenever
Dave
Daisy
Wilgy
Marmot

Updated, I have moved Dizzy to green because Dizzy is everything. Don't lynch Dizzy.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 7:25 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 7:21 pm New tactic.

I am going to divide the player list into 3. Group 1 are the players who have provided me with ample opportunity to formulate a read. Group 2 have given some. Group 3 might as well be absent for the amount of insight I am able to glean. I will do a rainbow list per group.

Group 1 - Give the most credence to these reads.

Speed
Epi
JJJ
Sloonei
Kylemii

Group 2 - Give some credence to these reads.

FZ
Dyslexicon
Nutella

Group 3 - Pay no mind sunshine.

LC
Lorab
Novaselinenever
Dave
Daisy
Wilgy
Marmot

Outcomes - For me personally, a Kylemii lynch is most suitable for a variety of reasons. As far as the players that I am reading negatively he has given me the most the work with, which should lend credibility to the read. Furthermore the removal of a player from group 1 would offer more impact on the overall picture of my reads than someone from either group 2 or group 3.

I would also would be reasonably happy with a Nutella lynch. I wouldn't be upset by the lynch of anybody else aside from FZ and Speedchuck.
I like this method of organization.

Several of my reads are pretty much opposite from yours. I'm most curious as to why you are so confident about FZ. I got bad vibes from her.

I'd rather not defend her unless she is at risk.

So is it genuinely in Epignosis's MO as Mafia to go after Jimmy on day 1 and put himself at risk like this?

He is now leading the votes. I don't like it. It looks like a potential mislynch to me. I am getting nam flashbacks to MK.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 7:27 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 7:12 pmThat's rich coming from someone who didn't notice that my rainbow was copied from the previous page.
"wow, i can't believe you actually really believed i was telling the truth while i was obviously being purposefully deceptive for a weird joke"

I didn't post the rainbow list to make a joke. I posted the rainbow list to determine the level to which people were paying attention to see if I could analyse any level of collusion.

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