The Syndicate

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 2:01 pm Do people actually read all the roles before games even start?

I read DrWilgy's role. :3

^Dubious

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 12:33 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 7:38 pm^Dubious
Marmot dropped this post immediately after my one-word Kyle case then scurried away. I don't know what to make of it.

Don't think too hard mate. Especially since you started the one-word response strategy.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 2:05 am
Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 1:56 am You won phenon because you took over as town leader, which you did by purposefully emulating your civvie style. Low activity allowed it to happen, but it wasn't the sole cause.
I was able to take over as town leader because of the low activity.

And because I was lynched before I could swing my weight.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 12:00 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 1:41 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 1:24 pm If I may make an observation, regarding the setup:

Tevye can get BTSC with his daughters. In doing so, he can confirm them town to himself. So that's neat.

However, if he doesn't search for them, the town gains a cop in the match-maker. Match-maker can search for BTSC, which would (if Tevye doesn't submit actions) only be held by the mafia.

We trade off a BTSC-finder and a town searcher/btsc/lover thing for a cop. Does anyone think this is a good idea?
This is interesting. I need to think on this because traditionally I've always viewed civs with BTSC as one of the strongest things the civs can have...
This is Daisy's only relevant post. It's "interesting".

It's not thrilling that her only thing is mechanical/role babble.

Dizzying

Speaking of dizzying, I'm voting dizzy until I see a cat pic from her.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 1:24 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 1:22 pm I remember mafia Epi in Night Vale. He was very background, didn't do much. Definitely nothing like this.
What was I like in Phenon and Mountain Mafia?

Supatown!

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 1:30 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 1:28 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 1:24 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 1:22 pm I remember mafia Epi in Night Vale. He was very background, didn't do much. Definitely nothing like this.
What was I like in Phenon and Mountain Mafia?
Supatown!
Sure the former, no way the latter.

What am I like in this game, Marmot?

I don't know, I haven't read many of your posts yet.

What am I like in this game J^3?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 1:37 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 1:32 pmYou're usually a lot cooler and more consistent than you're being this game, so the best comparison I can throw to would be the games above. Especially Phenon. I can't know if you're throwing crap at teammates right now, unless Epig is scum with you. Then we'd also include the game where Sloonei said you bussed him D1 as a point of comparison.

There's probably more to your play than that, but I'm not rereading your games. That would take forever. I'm also not suspecting you for the same reasons as Epi.
If you really believe the highlighted portion, then you need to play more games with me.

Unfortunately, that won't help him in his read of you in this moment.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 1:41 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 1:33 pm I don't know, I haven't read many of your posts yet.

What am I like in this game J^3?
Suspicious now that you told me you haven't read many of my posts. The recent thread consists of Epi and I engaged in hand-to-hand combat. You didn't ignore it if you got as far as seeing Dizzy's posts and no cats.

I am capable of ISOing Dizzy to see if she has posted any cats. That's a priority to me.

So yes I absolutely ignored it.

But I will comment that you seem incredibly flustered right now, which I can see in your sudden fling of suspicion at me.

Dubious. Dizzying. Daring? Daunting.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:21 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:19 pm
The most pressing question emerging from this then would be: Epignosis, why won't you be voting for me today?
Because you're a shitty Day 1 lynch.

So?

I disagree that any player should get an automatic pass on Day 1, just because they're a shitty lynch.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:42 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:31 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:21 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:19 pm
The most pressing question emerging from this then would be: Epignosis, why won't you be voting for me today?
Because you're a shitty Day 1 lynch.
So?

I disagree that any player should get an automatic pass on Day 1, just because they're a shitty lynch.
Nobody gets an automatic pass. Passes have to be earned.

If you're building a roof (presumably for someone to fiddle on), and you've hired sixteen men to build it, but you are informed that three of those men are intent on destroying the roof, whom do you fire first?

Is it somebody whom you see working very hard on the construction, or someone who looks like he doesn't care about the roof?

If you fire the first guy first, and he wasn't planning to destroy the roof, then you've lost a good worker on the basis of the least evidence. If you fire the second guy, then you've lost someone who...looks like he doesn't care about the roof.

But this is a different, bigger picture I'm talking about.

This isn't a job where you need to earn an income and keep a solid reputation for your roofing company.

This isn't a one-time situation where we need to make the best decision possible for the sake of the company. Each "roof" we are building is independent of each other "roof"

If Player X is a bad mafia player who puts his foot in his mouth and looks bad every game, will we lynch him Day 1 every game? No.

If you think Jay is worth lynching, why wait to lynch him? Why would you bring it up as a decent notion (for not Day 1) if Jay is "working very hard on the construction" and not "planning on destroying the roof"?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 4:11 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:58 pm
If Player X is a bad mafia player who puts his foot in his mouth and looks bad every game, will we lynch him Day 1 every game? No.
A good foreman will tell the difference between a guy who spills the nails and a guy who doesn't care about the roof.

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:58 pm If you think Jay is worth lynching, why wait to lynch him? Why would you bring it up as a decent notion (for not Day 1) if Jay is "working very hard on the construction" and not "planning on destroying the roof"?
Only one person can be lynched at a time. When you have a quiet person (or a non-poster) who is mafia, lynching that person comes down to what almost amounts to luck, especially early on. If 3J is bad, leaving him alive Day 1 is a wise strategic move because Jay is a guaranteed talker, one who (more than anybody I know) will eventually comment on everybody.

To beat our analogical horse further, if 3J wants to destroy the roof, he's the guy who feels compelled to talk about the roof, and to talk about it with his co-conspirators.

Jay is a player who is difficult to read that sort of interactions from. Other players are more than likely easier to read.

Whose idea was it to create the false dilemma of lynching myself or DrWilgy because we are "cruising making jokes" when that is not what is happening.

I'm looking at you MacDougall.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:37 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:32 pm Whose idea was it to create the false dilemma of lynching myself or DrWilgy because we are "cruising making jokes" when that is not what is happening.

I'm looking at you MacDougall.
I decided I'd rather see two people who aren't contributing well enough for me to analyse (my group 3) lynched and you two are the best choice the group because you've made the most posts. Then someone else said they had a town read on Wilgy so we're frog marching you off the roof unless you can show some reason why we shouldn't ...

Tell us your reads. Do something. Sure, come at the person who decided to start a wagon on you that's fine. Anything is good if you're a civ and don't want to be lynched.

That's ridiculous. Your original rainbow list had me in the green section. How am I suddenly your primary lynch target because you decided I'm not contributing enough (after I actually started contributing) and because someone else had a town read of DrWilgy?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:45 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:44 pm Can somebody summarize the cases against marmot and epi for me? I've seen discussion of them, but it's hard to pin down the central points.
Marmot = Waffly. Posting inconsistently. Low contribution but seems to be around a bit. Seems to be picking and choosing what to comment on but never making waves. POE.

Epi is someone elses cross to bear.

Of course I pick and choose what I comment on. I can't respond to every single post.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:52 pm Marmot, you're still voting for Dyslexicon. As far as I can tell, this is still because she's not posted enough cat gifs. As heinous as that is, I don't think it constitutes a solid reason to case a vote this late in the day phase. who are you going to change to?

I'll change my vote as I damn well please.

I'm frustrated because I made a post earlier today. In that post, I said it's ridiculous that a player should get a Day 1 pass because they are a "shitty lynch" even if they'd be worth lynching any other day or as any other player. And now I'm getting votes because I am the opposite of a shitty lynch.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:52 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:51 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:45 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:44 pm Can somebody summarize the cases against marmot and epi for me? I've seen discussion of them, but it's hard to pin down the central points.
Marmot = Waffly. Posting inconsistently. Low contribution but seems to be around a bit. Seems to be picking and choosing what to comment on but never making waves. POE.

Epi is someone elses cross to bear.
Of course I pick and choose what I comment on. I can't respond to every single post.
My thought is you have done it in a way so as to only be choosing to comment on things that have little chance of exposing you. Keeping up appearances.

I've not had time to read the whole thread. Nor likely will I. Probably the same reason I missed you posting speedchuck's rainbow as your own.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:58 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:47 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:37 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:32 pm Whose idea was it to create the false dilemma of lynching myself or DrWilgy because we are "cruising making jokes" when that is not what is happening.

I'm looking at you MacDougall.
I decided I'd rather see two people who aren't contributing well enough for me to analyse (my group 3) lynched and you two are the best choice the group because you've made the most posts. Then someone else said they had a town read on Wilgy so we're frog marching you off the roof unless you can show some reason why we shouldn't ...

Tell us your reads. Do something. Sure, come at the person who decided to start a wagon on you that's fine. Anything is good if you're a civ and don't want to be lynched.
That's ridiculous. Your original rainbow list had me in the green section. How am I suddenly your primary lynch target because you decided I'm not contributing enough (after I actually started contributing) and because someone else had a town read of DrWilgy?
I don't like this post. I can excuse Marmot not being aware of Mac copying speedchuck's rainbow, but I don't like the way he dismisses the possibility of Mac having a change of opinion.

There was no basis for his change of opinion, so yes I can.

There was no mention of me between the two lists.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 10:01 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:56 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:52 pm Marmot, you're still voting for Dyslexicon. As far as I can tell, this is still because she's not posted enough cat gifs. As heinous as that is, I don't think it constitutes a solid reason to case a vote this late in the day phase. who are you going to change to?
I'll change my vote as I damn well please.

I'm frustrated because I made a post earlier today. In that post, I said it's ridiculous that a player should get a Day 1 pass because they are a "shitty lynch" even if they'd be worth lynching any other day or as any other player. And now I'm getting votes because I am the opposite of a shitty lynch.
He's a Mad Marmot.

Do you think I should be lynched?

Yes, because I was lynched early in each of my last two games and you contributed to both of them.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 10:08 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 10:06 pm Yes, because I was lynched early in each of my last two games and you contributed to both of them.
I did. Am I mafia in this game though?

I don't want to lynch you today, no. I disagree with Epignosis's posts leading up to the linked one, especially the part where he says that you talking will help expose your teammates more. This is true of any player, but I would gander it's less true of you than most players. Not that you wouldn't talk about your teammates, but that it'd be harder to for anyone to read those connections.

That, and if you're mafia, Epignosis must certainly acknowledge that you'd have a decent shot at talking your way out of a lynch later.

I'm much more interested in lynching him.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 10:17 pm I mean, look at this contradiction. Zero people have commented on this:
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:14 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:08 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:01 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 8:38 pm
This was the turn in the conversation that I really didn't like, and still do not. If this is what Kyle assumed, then why did he launch so quickly into defense mode? why was it his objective to negate and dismiss a prod which he presumed to be disingenuous, rather than simply observing that it was disingenuous? This might be my least favorite post in the thread.
this implies that i should ever ignore lies being told about me and assume the liar must have good intentions. i disagree with that on principle based on the fact that this is mafia? lies and innaccurate statements should always be called out.
But you acknowledged in this same breath that you were pretty sure this particular lie was just a standard mafia ploy. If this is your interpretation, why was it so important to refute it first?
"pretty sure this particular lie was just a standard mafia ploy" again that's false. I said I was pretty sure he was lying cus factually speaking there were no consistencies between this game and sc2. The reasoning was still unknown.
Hmmmmm?
Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 1:19 pm i actually kinda assumed you were lying for standard day zero jay-prod purposes?

Does no one else see why I feel bad about this?

I am out of context and don't know what the problem here is.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 10:23 pm Here's the tldr Spacedaisy.

I'm good. Marmot may be bad.

Sloondog or Kyle is bad but both both.

Mac may be Epi or Kyle teammate compatible.

Hazlenut is cute.

I'm buddying Speedchuck.

Disregard everything J3 says.

What about all the quiet people?

Anyway, pretty sure DrWilgy is civilian here, because he only talked about the people who are talking a lot, meaning he has been reading the thread somewhat thoroughly, meaning he knows who is butting heads with who.

Into the green for him.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 10:33 pm Marmot is it fair to say your vote for Epi is a self preservation vote or are you going to try to convince us it's based on analysis of some kind?

I didn't like what he said when I had 0 votes.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 10:29 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 10:26 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 10:23 pm Here's the tldr Spacedaisy.

I'm good. Marmot may be bad.

Sloondog or Kyle is bad but both both.

Mac may be Epi or Kyle teammate compatible.

Hazlenut is cute.

I'm buddying Speedchuck.

Disregard everything J3 says.
What about all the quiet people?

Anyway, pretty sure DrWilgy is civilian here, because he only talked about the people who are talking a lot, meaning he has been reading the thread somewhat thoroughly, meaning he knows who is butting heads with who.

Into the green for him.
The reason you two became the threat subject is primarily because you were in group 3 of my actual rainbow and I started using POE on the players I was mafia reading in group 1.

As it stands I would prefer a nutella lynch but I don't see that happening. You are the next best via my deductions.

You separated the players in this game into three groups based on contributions, had mafia reads in the top group, but chose to vote for a player in the bottom group because of PoE that you employed on the top group?

You're still here right now. Why are you nudging my lynch instead of pushing a nutella lynch?

That said, I don't think we should lynch nutella at all. She's a civilian.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 10:51 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 10:51 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 10:19 pm I need to see whether there's precedent for a civilian Epignosis giving me a Day 1 pass when he suspects me. Civilian Epignosis has suspected me many times so there should be something to find. RED vs. BLUE sets a precedent for mafia Epignosis to give me as Day 1 pass when he suspects me. I'll look into it.
I can't find any other suspicion which heated up on Day 1. Our combat in the past seemed to focus on Day 2.
Tell these butt heads not to lynch me.

Tell them not to lynch me!!!

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 10:54 pm I don't think Sloonei is a good lynch. "Tunnel Kyle" is an unnecessary method to pursue either credit or a mislynch. Why go about it that way?

Your vote is on Marmot. Is that a good lynch?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 10:57 pm Did daisy just drop a vote on me and bounce? Yuck. If I get lynched, look at her first.
If I survive, I'll make sure we look at her first.

I didn't like it either, but I was going to wait and see what happened first.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:08 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:06 pm Oh gross the light forum skin my eeyyyyyyeeesss
Yeah, I only use it.

You guys with your yellow text. It's awful.

Do you prefer white?

I want to hear Epignosis's response to Jay about Sloonei's lynch.

I also want to hear back from MacDougall.

Those are two active players I'd lynch right now.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:14 pm why shouldn't I vote for Epi right now?

Are there (non-Kylemii) people you'd rather lynch?

Who is Dave?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:18 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:17 pmWho is Dave?
He's Dave.

Where is Dave?

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:24 pm Hey, just got off work, and I'm 8 pages behind. I'll try to hang out here in the present a little while I catch up.

Things will be more interesting if you vote for me.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:31 pm I know this is a needy request but could someone quote or copy/paste Spacedaisy's 4 posts for me? I can't iso rn without the link

Spoiler: show

Based on Mac's eventual reasons for lynching me (aside from PoE), I wonder how he'd feel about a Daisy lynch.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:34 pm no linki was given

Sometimes the linki giveth. Sometimes it taketh.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:45 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:44 pm Daisy does not look great, given that analysis. Not enough for me to vote for her right now, I'm willing to give her more time to make more posts to analyze.
what if it's between me and her?

But it's not.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:55 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:51 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:45 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:44 pm Daisy does not look great, given that analysis. Not enough for me to vote for her right now, I'm willing to give her more time to make more posts to analyze.
what if it's between me and her?
But it's not.
It kind of is at the moment. Or Epi.

Or me, the other guy with three votes.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:57 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:56 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:55 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:51 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:45 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:44 pm Daisy does not look great, given that analysis. Not enough for me to vote for her right now, I'm willing to give her more time to make more posts to analyze.
what if it's between me and her?
But it's not.
It kind of is at the moment. Or Epi.
Or me, the other guy with three votes.
You have two votes.

That is a recent development.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:58 pm Buahahahahahaha!!!

Think of the positives sloonbeard. If we lynch you and you flip Civ, that basically hard confirms the Kyle is bad and soft confirms Mac is his teammate :^)))))))

But what if he doesn't flip Civ? We only have one confirmed scum.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 12:02 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:58 pm Buahahahahahaha!!!

Think of the positives sloonbeard. If we lynch you and you flip Civ, that basically hard confirms the Kyle is bad and soft confirms Mac is his teammate :^)))))))
No it doesn't. I'm capable of being wrong. If you lynch me you lose the best town player on the internet and whatever role he has.

If you're wrong and we keep you alive, that means we have to listen to your faulty cases for days.

That's no good either.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 12:07 am I went to argue with my wife and there are three new pages.

I have to catch up.

Help me lynch Epignosis, the man who designed the crappy roof that would collapse no matter how it was built.

She was not mafia in Mountain.

Wilgy, thoughts on Epignosis?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 12:40 am
speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 12:39 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 12:37 am Daisy is an easy and unfair lynch too now. It has to be one of you imo.
Ooh, I never like this thing. Mac read dropping.
I would feel bad for her. Thats all there is to the comment.

I'd agree.

Heck I'd probably have been lynched had I not been around to defend myself against... PoE?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 2:51 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 2:48 am I didn't register that he faulted me for not reading kyle's posts that way. Yuck. Also he's accusing me of "doint nothing except pound Kyle into the ground" without having read the post in which I pounded kyle into the ground. Yuck.
Sorry Daisy. we should have lynched Epi.
And now that we both want him dead, his agenda has shifted back to "Jay saved Sloonei" and a bunch of meaningless "they're in love" jokes.

I'll vote for him the moment Day 2 starts.

You shoulda just lynched him with me today you ninny.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 3:01 am Does Epignosis have a tendency one way or the other when it comes to ignoring/engaging with teammates in the thread casually? Notwithstanding when he makes a move to actually distance or bus?

He doesn't bus his teammates Day 1.

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