The Syndicate

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 12:53 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 12:45 am When the fiddler gets to the roof, does the game end? Who is the fiddler?

the fiddler is a metaphor for survival in uncertain times times

the play is not even about violinists, or roof construction. that was a disappointment for me in highschool since those were two major interests for me

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 1:34 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 1:24 pm If I may make an observation, regarding the setup:

Tevye can get BTSC with his daughters. In doing so, he can confirm them town to himself. So that's neat.

However, if he doesn't search for them, the town gains a cop in the match-maker. Match-maker can search for BTSC, which would (if Tevye doesn't submit actions) only be held by the mafia.

We trade off a BTSC-finder and a town searcher/btsc/lover thing for a cop. Does anyone think this is a good idea?

Game with infodumping and role-claiming: cop > probabilistic/interval civilian BTSC inclusive of four

Game without infordumping and role-claiming (like this one):

I'm going to say the cop is slightly weaker in this case. Without reveals, civilian BTSC becomes one of the strongest available roles, because it is easier to read -- it involves two people simultaneously vouching for each other. A cop can only promote reads him or herself, and it might not be as easy for others to figure out that there is an information basis behind those reads.

It's debatable though. speedchuck is a civilian for discovering that this question is worth asking.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 2:01 pm Do people actually read all the roles before games even start?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 2:34 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 2:07 pm I really don't think we're going to be starved for information in this game anyways, out of the gate we have a btsc cop, a role cop, a role blocker, and a doctor who can gain btsc with 1 of 3 different civ roles, one of which is the previously mentioned role cop, we also have a soapbox user and a mayor.

the number of roles we have that can stimulate the information economy seems pretty good.

Did I hear someone say, "information?"

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 4:00 pm

Aardvarks Bark wrote:Alright let's goooooo.

Everyone please do me a solid favor and describe yourselves in terms of playstyle in whatever level of detail you feel is necessary. It's important.

It's nice to meet you all.

was it "let's go"? I've been trying to make it a thing lately. as like a fun tradition of sorts I guess.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2017 4:04 pm mmmmmlets go

I opened with "let's go" in vocaroo as well, and a few other games I think.

Is that it? My next few posts in that thread were to make excuses for being late to the thread and to call people out for being shitty and rude to each other, and to ask people about their usual meta. I haven't done any of those things so it has to be the "let's go" right? :-?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 1:01 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 12:34 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 12:18 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 10:31 am Kyle is with the Russian Police. Discuss.

strongly disagree

I'm afraid that is irrelevant. I know your tell and you have revealed yourself. I am sorry to wreck your game so quickly, but it's just how this works.

that's actually 100% false? first of all, I am a kind and hard-working citizen of Anetevka, so that part's wrong

second of all you've never even seen me play as mafia before, the only player in recent history who has is dunya and even then it was just one game under unique circumstances, not enough to build correlation from

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 1:11 pm okay so you think a 48 hour long game with teens who kept being terrible dicks to each other is going to be indicative of how I play in a real game as mafia?

one game isn't enough for real tell correlation, famous poker player sneezes the first time they roll a full house you don't just assume that they have a full house the second time they sneeze

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 1:13 pm i don't recognize any parallel

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 1:19 pm i actually kinda assumed you were lying for standard day zero jay-prod purposes?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 3:42 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 3:29 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 1:12 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 1:11 pm okay so you think a 48 hour long game with teens who kept being terrible dicks to each other is going to be indicative of how I play in a real game as mafia?

one game isn't enough for real tell correlation, famous poker player sneezes the first time they roll a full house you don't just assume that they have a full house the second time they sneeze

So you recognize the parallel then?

boom rekt

I really don't recognise the parallel. I don't even know for sure if there is one without looking. In this game I've comfortably talked about musicals with people I already know, and in that game (I think?) I spent the first several of my posts trying to get to know the players on that site. I'm like 60% sure Jay is just making things up to prod for reactions but if not then he's wrong and his basis is flawed. If there really is a parallel Jay sees then it's 100% just a coincidence and not caused by alignment-bias.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 4:00 pm

Aardvarks Bark wrote:Alright let's goooooo.

Everyone please do me a solid favor and describe yourselves in terms of playstyle in whatever level of detail you feel is necessary. It's important.

It's nice to meet you all.

was it "let's go"? I've been trying to make it a thing lately. as like a fun tradition of sorts I guess.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2017 4:04 pm mmmmmlets go

I opened with "let's go" in vocaroo as well, and a few other games I think.

Is that it? My next few posts in that thread were to make excuses for being late to the thread and to call people out for being shitty and rude to each other, and to ask people about their usual meta. I haven't done any of those things so it has to be the "let's go" right? :-?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 6:34 pm Hey @JaggedJimmyJay I'm telling you right now, if you get me wrongly lynched and don't reveal what you thought the tell was then I'm not going to easily forgive you for it.

If you're really just making this up then it's not a cool tactic. If you legitimately think I have a tell then sure fine whatever, everyone's wrong sometimes, but if not then you have to take responsibility for it. Promise me.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 6:42 pm I take everything that involves me seriously.

Jay is a thread-leader. Stuff he says often ends up having impact. I'm not going to ignore it when he makes some vague claim about me, especially not if people are actually listening.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 7:09 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 6:54 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 6:34 pm Hey @JaggedJimmyJay I'm telling you right now, if you get me wrongly lynched and don't reveal what you thought the tell was then I'm not going to easily forgive you for it.

If you're really just making this up then it's not a cool tactic. If you legitimately think I have a tell then sure fine whatever, everyone's wrong sometimes, but if not then you have to take responsibility for it. Promise me.

Why leave out the third option?

the option where I survive has no bearing on my request. What I'm saying that if I do end up getting lynched for Jay's 'tell' then Jay has to be held accountable. He can't just say something like "oh well it didn't work this time but I'm going to keep what it was a secret in case it's a tell in the future. " and shrug it off.

If his tactic here causes me to die then I want his reasoning to be thoroughly checked into.

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 7:38 pm^Dubious

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 7:40 pm unhelpful

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 10:31 am Kyle is with the Russian Police. Discuss.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 12:34 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 12:18 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 10:31 am Kyle is with the Russian Police. Discuss.

strongly disagree

I'm afraid that is irrelevant. I know your tell and you have revealed yourself. I am sorry to wreck your game so quickly, but it's just how this works.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 1:03 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 1:01 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 12:34 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 12:18 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 10:31 am Kyle is with the Russian Police. Discuss.

strongly disagree

I'm afraid that is irrelevant. I know your tell and you have revealed yourself. I am sorry to wreck your game so quickly, but it's just how this works.

that's actually 100% false? first of all, I am a kind and hard-working citizen of Anetevka, so that part's wrong

second of all you've never even seen me play as mafia before, the only player in recent history who has is dunya and even then it was just one game under unique circumstances, not enough to build correlation from

I spectated your sc2 game.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 1:12 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 1:11 pm okay so you think a 48 hour long game with teens who kept being terrible dicks to each other is going to be indicative of how I play in a real game as mafia?

one game isn't enough for real tell correlation, famous poker player sneezes the first time they roll a full house you don't just assume that they have a full house the second time they sneeze

So you recognize the parallel then?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 7:48 pm sloonei do you have any suspects in this thread other than me? do you think allowing the thread to focus on one player is a positive choice?

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 8:03 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 8:01 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 3:55 pm This section is sketchy, Kyle, it reads like it's written by someone with a mafia alignment. "you've never even seen me play as mafia before" implies you're mafia now, and the statement that there's "not enough to build correlation from" implies that there could be enough at some point, but if you're Civ, then the idea would be that "correlation is impossible because I'm not bad."

This section is sketchy, Long Con. You've shoved words into Kylemii's face and said "These are the civilian words. You didn't say the civilian words." as if there aren't multiple possible examples of a civilian response to my poop.

So it was poop? And you think LC ate it?

I ate it, but I puked it back up.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 8:12 pm linki: intriguing. again, I found the initial hostility suspicious, but his dedication toward clearing his name and holding Jay accountable has been reading more like town Kyle imo.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 8:16 pm I'm just tired. I don't like or respect what Jay is doing here no matter what his motive is.

The two players who stuck out to me in their jump-on were LC and FZ

FZ. wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 6:14 pm Hi, sorry for coming in late.
How's everyone doing?
I love Fiddler on the roof, but haven't seen it in years. Nice to play a game with that theme.

Kyle, have we ever played together?
I have to say, I read most posts up until the following one. Unlike JJJ, I found nothing wrong with Kyle, but then I read this post, and it felt like a frustrated baddie annoyed by what he perceives as too much civvie power, though he can't really say it, so it comes out in a different way, because, well, he can't help himself.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 2:07 pm I really don't think we're going to be starved for information in this game anyways, out of the gate we have a btsc cop, a role cop, a role blocker, and a doctor who can gain btsc with 1 of 3 different civ roles, one of which is the previously mentioned role cop, we also have a soapbox user and a mayor.

the number of roles we have that can stimulate the information economy seems pretty good.

FZ takes an oddly middle ground point of view before it's strictly necessary or even really sensible, then provides an additional somewhat stretchy reason to suspect me, it seems awkward and almost tacked on, like jumping on a bandwagon earlier while ensuring that there's viable reason to believe that it's FZ's idea.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 7:33 pm I think if Jay doesn't come up with a valid "tell" that made him so sure as to call me out like he did then it's definitely a bad look for him.

As things are, based on past interactions with Jay he's likely to come out and say something like "there is no tell, I was just lying to build thread discussion" or "I'm not telling you what your tell is in case I need to use it again later"

I don't think either of those are acceptable answers for this.

Jay's usual civvie MO is to scatter bricks around on day 0 and 1 in order to start building discussion and put out reads. What Jay's done here is try to throw a single large brick at me, which causes no variation in discussion at all. The only discussion happening right now is surrounding me.

The only way that tactic comes from a responsible civvie mindset is if Jay really and truly believes in whatever he thinks my tell is

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 7:09 pm What I'm saying that if I do end up getting lynched for Jay's 'tell'...

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 8:47 pm Y'all please tell me about Epignosis's last post.

He rightly asserts that I shouldn't be assumed good because I make stuff happen. He then parlays that into "hang Jay and Sloonei", as though "doesn't make him good" is equivalent to "makes them bad".

No thanks. I won't be needing any of that today.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 8:54 pm Sloonei, your takes on non-Kyle people?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 8:56 pm Jay's actions so far have been NAI to me. He does this every time. He's built a pattern for himself. It stands to reason that he would also do the same thing if he was mafia trying to replicate that pattern.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 8:56 pm Jay's actions so far have been NAI to me. He does this every time. He's built a pattern for himself. It stands to reason that he would also do the same thing if he was mafia trying to replicate that pattern.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 7:33 pm I think if Jay doesn't come up with a valid "tell" that made him so sure as to call me out like he did then it's definitely a bad look for him.

As things are, based on past interactions with Jay he's likely to come out and say something like "there is no tell, I was just lying to build thread discussion" or "I'm not telling you what your tell is in case I need to use it again later"

I don't think either of those are acceptable answers for this.

Jay's usual civvie MO is to scatter bricks around on day 0 and 1 in order to start building discussion and put out reads. What Jay's done here is try to throw a single large brick at me, which causes no variation in discussion at all. The only discussion happening right now is surrounding me.

The only way that tactic comes from a responsible civvie mindset is if Jay really and truly believes in whatever he thinks my tell is

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 9:10 pmyeah actually

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 9:13 pm he came back and actually branched off from his large brick toss with a few smaller brick tosses, it's a different tactic

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 9:32 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 9:14 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 9:13 pm he came back and actually branched off from his large brick toss with a few smaller brick tosses, it's a different tactic

But that's still "what he always does", and an hour ago you were going on about what a bad look it was for him as if it's not what he always does.

no that's wrong.

he doesn't usually use specific lies "Kyle has an obvious tell that I learned from sc2 mafia" is a specific lie that could have gotten me lynched if he didn't come back and tell the truth.

"I think tink is civ can anyone tell me why?" vague and harmless, "I think Epignosis is bad can anyone tell me why? also vague and harmless.

"I was going on about it being a bad look" is also not very accurate.

It was an emotionally charged conditional statement. If Jay continued the way he was going and let me get lynched without admitting to the lie then that would have been a strong indicator of a non-townie minded Jay. But he didn't, so it isn't.

It's logically consistent so it literally computes.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 9:57 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 9:30 pm Jay and I have been scum partners once. It was in Street Fighter. He bussed me on Day 1 and then subbed out.

I find it hard to believe you have only been partners once.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 10:11 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 10:04 pm I would expect you two to act the same way as you are acting now: Verifying each other and validating each other.

A weak civilian team is going to just go with that.

And I'll have none of that.

Nope.

1. Sloonei has not validated me in this game.

2. We have cooperatively read each other as civilians as civilians on numerous occasions, which is why this fake paranoia is being expressed. You know the trend exists as it is the inspiration for this accusation, and yet you cannot substantiate the accusation in this case whatsoever beyond "if the civilians listen to you two they're doomed". It's empty bullshit and you know it.

Epignosis is my top suspect.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 10:20 pm getting lynched for day 1 bullshit used to be my #1 cause of death.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 10:24 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 10:21 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 10:20 pm getting lynched for day 1 bullshit used to be my #1 cause of death.

You described my post as "unhelpful" earlier. why?

because it was unhelpful

all you did was sharpen the focus on something that was already being focused on

is that value added?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 10:25 pm I guess I'll ebwop it.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 10:22 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 10:19 pm what do you think is his motivation right now?

The nip the Sloonei/Jay teamwork in the bud as quickly as possible, if not merely for you and I then for other observers of you and I, because if left unchecked it usually ends in civilian victories.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 10:28 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 10:27 pm Does it make sense for scum Epi to make this move so boldly?

Who are we talking about here? You might as well ask me if it makes sense for grass to grow in the sunshine or water to be wet. He's too proud to kill me, and by extension probably you too. The man welcomes a challenge.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 10:37 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 10:26 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 10:24 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 10:21 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 10:20 pm getting lynched for day 1 bullshit used to be my #1 cause of death.

You described my post as "unhelpful" earlier. why?

because it was unhelpful

all you did was sharpen the focus on something that was already being focused on

is that value added?

I think so. I'd not yet commented on it and had something to say, so I said it. why should we have moved away from the conversation about you so quickly?

hmm no that's not the issue here.

The Sloonei-meta and Jay-meta that I'm used to is that you both tend to open up discussion early on with pokes and prods at players who haven't been involved. To get things moving forward and outward..

Do you feel like you've personally accomplished that in this game or do I have a wrong impression of your meta?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 10:57 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 10:48 pm Do you scum read me?

I don't quite scum read you but I don't town read you yet either.

You haven't done the things I expect town Sloonei to do yet which is a cause for concern.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 11:08 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 10:57 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 10:48 pm Do you scum read me?

I don't quite scum read you but I don't town read you yet either.

You haven't done the things I expect town Sloonei to do yet which is a cause for concern.

I'm withholding judgement cus like you said, if something that's already being discussed pings you, why not comment on it? so doubling down on Jay's thing instead of starting your own isn't that unusual. In general you're not a player who I would consider to be a follower.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 11:14 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 11:03 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 10:57 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 10:48 pm Do you scum read me?

I don't quite scum read you but I don't town read you yet either.

You haven't done the things I expect town Sloonei to do yet which is a cause for concern.

what things should town sloonei be doing?
how do you read Epi's behavior?

stirring things up and making discussions happen. you're not the type of player to sit back and comment on other people's thoughts.

Epi.... neutral. I see where he's coming from, I make reading you and Jay early a priority in most games we're in. Finding out whether the thread is based on a good foundation is an important first step. I think "hang them" is a bit of an extreme though.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 11:38 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 11:14 pmI don't think it's accurate to say I was following Jay. I generated my own read based on your reactions to things. I also don't mind following a lead if I think it's a good one.

that's definitely false... the posts you commented on wouldn't have even existed if it weren't for jay. it's no different from speedchuck, Nutella, LC, or FZ commenting on the same things you did. It wasn't new content nor was it a unique way to look at old content.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 11:17 pmI wanted to hang back on Day 0 after the explosion I helped create in Mortal Kombat. I'm currently failing at that task.

understandable

If you see where he's coming from, why is he a null read?

a player relaying a relatable thought process doesn't make them civ.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 10:35 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 10:33 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 10:28 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 10:27 pm Does it make sense for scum Epi to make this move so boldly?

Who are we talking about here? You might as well ask me if it makes sense for grass to grow in the sunshine or water to be wet. He's too proud to kill me, and by extension probably you too. The man welcomes a challenge.

I just think he'd be a little more subtle about seeding concerns about us. Doing it this way makes it seem like an earnest tinfoil to me, as I circle the drain of wifom. I don't mind a little bit of vigilance.

I don't think Epignosis is the sort to waste time on tinfoil on Day 0, and I don't think there's anything in this thread which should alert him to the specific scenario that we're teamed and bad. This has been ordinary shit.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 12:17 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 11:47 pmAnyone responding to anything is new content. Yeah I was responding to content that was generated by somebody else, but the single-word thoughts I was putting into the thread were a new way of looking at things because, as far as I can tell, no one else had brought up any of the angles I was looking at previously. This is a bogus semantic argument and I'm not sure why you're pursuing it.

saying the same things that everyone else is already saying but with fewer words isn't creating new content nor is it really even a new angle. The only new content is "hey you know that thing that a lot of other people think? well Sloonei thinks it too" this is getting away from the original point.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 12:28 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 12:19 am Jay and Kyle are highly unlikely scum partners, but I could see one or the other being scum.

... don't know if I agree with this.

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 7:38 pm^Dubious

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 12:55 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 12:29 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 12:28 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 12:19 am Jay and Kyle are highly unlikely scum partners, but I could see one or the other being scum.

... don't know if I agree with this.

which part?

First part. :P

LoRab wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 1:04 am And totally appreciating all of the thread jewiness, btw! Shalom, y'all!

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 1:14 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 1:01 amMy scum read on Kyle is contingent on him being made genuinely uncomfortable bu Jay's fake scumtell on him.

Please explain this.

Are you saying that I should have somehow known whether Jay was being real or not based on what my alignment is?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 1:32 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 1:25 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 1:14 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 1:01 amMy scum read on Kyle is contingent on him being made genuinely uncomfortable bu Jay's fake scumtell on him.

Please explain this.

Are you saying that I should have somehow known whether Jay was being real or not based on what my alignment is?

If you're both scum, you wouldn't have reacted the way you did.

I'm only asking about the part you said in the quote there, please forget about Jay for a minute. what do you think my reaction to Jay's gambit thing would be as a mafia? as a civ? why would they be different reactions?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:25 am Doesn't look like I'm going to be able to lynch Kylemii today.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:32 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:24 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 10:20 am I’m frankly fine with being mislynched if Epignosis gets hanged immediately thereafter. Sometimes that’s what it takes for anyone to critically assess that dude.

So you're saying there's practically ~0% chance you are both town? Cause if not, you've consigned us to two mislynches there. Which is more of a frustrated action than one that is seeking the best for town.

NAI, necessarily.

He's as strong a mafia read as I can reasonably have on Day 1. If anyone can give me a good reason Epignosis would really believe that Sloonei and I are teammates and that stopping us should be his priority, with the content in this very same Day 1 game thread, I'm open to listening. That bullshit has my vote planted.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:45 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:43 am I can't give you a reason why he'd think and I don't think he could either. What I don't see is why a Day 0/1 lie makes Epignosis scum. This is almost a mirror image of your earlier turd.

I do think it's a turd, but not the sort being dropped for the sake of moving a thread. He has morphed that turd into a very real "lynch 3J" agenda, and it's all bogus.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:47 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:43 am I can't give you a reason why he'd think and I don't think he could either. What I don't see is why a Day 0/1 lie makes Epignosis scum. This is almost a mirror image of your earlier turd.

What is your read on MacDougall?