The Syndicate

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 1:24 pm If I may make an observation, regarding the setup:

Tevye can get BTSC with his daughters. In doing so, he can confirm them town to himself. So that's neat.

However, if he doesn't search for them, the town gains a cop in the match-maker. Match-maker can search for BTSC, which would (if Tevye doesn't submit actions) only be held by the mafia.

We trade off a BTSC-finder and a town searcher/btsc/lover thing for a cop. Does anyone think this is a good idea?

This is interesting. I need to think on this because traditionally I've always viewed civs with BTSC as one of the strongest things the civs can have...

Ok, holy shit ya'll! I left for work and thought maybe I could slowly catch up on the last three pages. Now there are ten more. There is no way I can catch up with this before the day ends so I'm probably going to random vote between the people earning votes.

Let me rephrase this, I am not casting a random vote. That was poorly chosen wording. I am going to cast my vote on someone who already, butnot randomly. I really would like to vote the same way as Kyle for two reasons. As far as I was caught up (only page 9) I felt like Sloonei's behavior around Kyle/Jay in the first few pages was the most shady. In particular the long post where he did one word characterizations of Kyles posts. I can expand on this more after work but I just don't have the time now. I also trust Kyle more than any other after the half the thread I've read, so the fact his vote is there too makes me feel that much more confident in my vote. I only wish more people would consider a vote there.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:38 pm Daisy's four posts, with reasons why Sloonei dislikes them:
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 12:46 am
This is an emoji. There are no words in this post. Daisy is implying excitement about the game. Daisy is not saying anything though.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 1:41 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 1:24 pm If I may make an observation, regarding the setup:

Tevye can get BTSC with his daughters. In doing so, he can confirm them town to himself. So that's neat.

However, if he doesn't search for them, the town gains a cop in the match-maker. Match-maker can search for BTSC, which would (if Tevye doesn't submit actions) only be held by the mafia.

We trade off a BTSC-finder and a town searcher/btsc/lover thing for a cop. Does anyone think this is a good idea?
This is interesting. I need to think on this because traditionally I've always viewed civs with BTSC as one of the strongest things the civs can have...
Daisy starts this post off by saying nothing. Then in the middle, she says nothing. She ends it by saying nothing with an ellipsis.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 10:19 pm Ok, holy shit ya'll! I left for work and thought maybe I could slowly catch up on the last three pages. Now there are ten more. There is no way I can catch up with this before the day ends so I'm probably going to random vote between the people earning votes.
Daisy comments on the activity of the game. Daisy then vows to cast a vote which will be attributed to the work of others, referring it as "random".

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 10:36 pm Let me rephrase this, I am not casting a random vote. That was poorly chosen wording. I am going to cast my vote on someone who already, butnot randomly. I really would like to vote the same way as Kyle for two reasons. As far as I was caught up (only page 9) I felt like Sloonei's behavior around Kyle/Jay in the first few pages was the most shady. In particular the long post where he did one word characterizations of Kyles posts. I can expand on this more after work but I just don't have the time now. I also trust Kyle more than any other after the half the thread I've read, so the fact his vote is there too makes me feel that much more confident in my vote. I only wish more people would consider a vote there.
Daisy corrects her wording from before, because saying a vote is "random" is a bad look. Daisy puts a vote on me and hides behind Kyle. Then Daisy leaves.

Yeah I just got home from work. I have no idea what time is left, but if I die in this lynch you will have a civ flip.

Sloonei, this is the dumbest most word twisting case I've ever seen.

I corrected myself just before I voted, not because it looks bad to vote randomly but because as I was deciding who to vote for it hit me, that i had misspoken and said I was voting randomly when that wasn't what I meant. Poorly chosen wording does not mean that I changed my mind because a random vote looks bad. I corrected myself because I realized what I said was not what I intended to do. It was poorly chosen because it didn't reflect the reality of my intention.

If I get lynched take a look at the people running this train it's shadyshit going dfown when you know I don'thave time to defend.

Seriously you guys. I just got lynched whenI flat out said I had no time. Lynch SLoonei for sure.

Seriously, wtf is wrong with you guys. This is the god damn stupidest lynch I have ever seen.

I'm out.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 12:58 am
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 12:56 am Seriously you guys. I just got lynched whenI flat out said I had no time. Lynch SLoonei for sure.
You were here though. I saw you hanging out. Sloonei was building the roof. You were watching.

No I was not here. I literally just got on the site. I may have had a browser page open on my phone or something. But I was not here

This is some straight up bullshit. You guys screwed the pooch

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 12:58 am
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 12:57 am Seriously, wtf is wrong with you guys. This is the god damn stupidest lynch I have ever seen.
This is exactly how I would have reacted if it went the other way, so

You are bad Sloonei.

When I posted a response to Sloonei, that was the first I had seen it and from the typos it should be obvious that was a rushed post in hopes of stopping the insanity.

Seriously, look at this lynch there was some really questionable stuff that went down. And the only good thing about it is you aren't losing a powerful civ.

Lynch Sloonei.

I was up front and said I was busy at work, I posted as soon as I got in. The baddies took advantage of the fact I was not wrong. you guys voted for me based on a case against me that was based on THREE FUCKING POSTS!

You'd better use this fucking nonsense to catch some baddies or I am going to be even more pissed than I am right now. Someone took advantage. I'm really leaving now. Good luck civs.

I don't buy it Sloonei, I just don't. Where were the civilian torch bearers when this travesty was going down? Who let's a lynch go down on someone based on three posts when there was 19 pages of shit to analyze? I trust Kyle that's about it. And I am super disappointed he moved. I thought I trusted Epi too, but now I'm not so sure. How did YOU not see through that bullshit?

When have I ever silently sat back and let myself get lynched without saying anything?

Bullshit.

linki: Exactly Epi, why the fuck would I have just watched myself get lynched. I posted the fastest I could.

So ask yourselves, if I was honest about my not having time and being at work, why would it not raise any questions about why you all would lynch someone who is absent?

This is just so much nonsense i can't believe you all fell for it.

Sloonei I absolutely DO believe you are bad.

Was it self preservation, because I will forgive that. but I won't forgive you saying you voted me because I sat here and watched my own lynch. That id the most outrageous thing I've ever heard you say.

I never just go down in a lynch. I didn't post because I wasn't here to post.

They say hell hath no fury like a woman scorned...

I did a catch up today and I'm going to drop a stream of consciousness style post on you all. But I had better add some spoiler tags first otherwise this is going to be an insane wall o' text.

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I agree 100% with what Epi said here, and later I saw Jay calling this into question. I was reading Kyle’s posts and hearing them literally in his voice. We chat on discord, he played the Vocaroo sequel. Hearing it in his voice, it seemed clear to me that this was sincerity. If I am wrong props to Kyle, but seriously I have trusted him since he first started posting because frankly he is the most sincere sounding player I have heard in this game so far.

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This ^ is not a baddie mind set. If Epi is bad why this?

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Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 4:31 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 1:41 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 1:24 pm If I may make an observation, regarding the setup:
Tevye can get BTSC with his daughters. In doing so, he can confirm them town to himself. So that's neat.
However, if he doesn't search for them, the town gains a cop in the match-maker. Match-maker can search for BTSC, which would (if Tevye doesn't submit actions) only be held by the mafia.
We trade off a BTSC-finder and a town searcher/btsc/lover thing for a cop. Does anyone think this is a good idea?
This is interesting. I need to think on this because traditionally I've always viewed civs with BTSC as one of the strongest things the civs can have...
This post accomplishes nothing.

Let’s talk about that post for a moment. I had read this idea about holding off on the searches to gain BTSC. Normally I would be someone who falls on the side of civ BTSC is a greater weapon against baddies than other power roles because POE. But I found the idea interesting and wanted to go back and look over it and think over it to see if I felt like it was actually a good trade off. My intention was to come back and follow up after I did this. The road to a mislynch is apparently paved with good intentions, because I got to work and was busier than I anticipated and couldn’t do it. Did it accomplish anything? Nope. Except maybe it did put out there that trading off civ BTSC should not be taken lightly. Did it make me bad? Well we all know the answer to that one now, don’t we? Sloonei’s approach here is shitty at best and has been the whole game. Let’s review how he dealt with Kyle…

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 5:12 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 4:00 pm
Aardvarks Bark wrote:Alright let's goooooo.
Everyone please do me a solid favor and describe yourselves in terms of playstyle in whatever level of detail you feel is necessary. It's important.
It's nice to meet you all.
was it "let's go"? I've been trying to make it a thing lately. as like a fun tradition of sorts I guess.
Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2017 4:04 pm mmmmmlets go
I opened with "let's go" in vocaroo as well, and a few other games I think.
Is that it? My next few posts in that thread were to make excuses for being late to the thread and to call people out for being shitty and rude to each other, and to ask people about their usual meta. I haven't done any of those things so it has to be the "let's go" right? :-?
Incredulous

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 7:38 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 1:01 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 12:34 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 12:18 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 10:31 am Kyle is with the Russian Police. Discuss.
strongly disagree
I'm afraid that is irrelevant. I know your tell and you have revealed yourself. I am sorry to wreck your game so quickly, but it's just how this works.
that's actually 100% false? first of all, I am a kind and hard-working citizen of Anetevka, so that part's wrong
second of all you've never even seen me play as mafia before, the only player in recent history who has is dunya and even then it was just one game under unique circumstances, not enough to build correlation from
Indignant
Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 1:11 pm okay so you think a 48 hour long game with teens who kept being terrible dicks to each other is going to be indicative of how I play in a real game as mafia?
one game isn't enough for real tell correlation, famous poker player sneezes the first time they roll a full house you don't just assume that they have a full house the second time they sneeze
Incredulous & Indignant.
Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 1:13 pm i don't recognize any parallel
Negative
Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 1:19 pm i actually kinda assumed you were lying for standard day zero jay-prod purposes?
Dismissive
Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 3:42 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 3:29 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 1:12 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 1:11 pm okay so you think a 48 hour long game with teens who kept being terrible dicks to each other is going to be indicative of how I play in a real game as mafia?
one game isn't enough for real tell correlation, famous poker player sneezes the first time they roll a full house you don't just assume that they have a full house the second time they sneeze
So you recognize the parallel then?
boom rekt
I really don't recognise the parallel. I don't even know for sure if there is one without looking. In this game I've comfortably talked about musicals with people I already know, and in that game (I think?) I spent the first several of my posts trying to get to know the players on that site. I'm like 60% sure Jay is just making things up to prod for reactions but if not then he's wrong and his basis is flawed. If there really is a parallel Jay sees then it's 100% just a coincidence and not caused by alignment-bias.
Indignant
Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 4:00 pm
Aardvarks Bark wrote:Alright let's goooooo.
Everyone please do me a solid favor and describe yourselves in terms of playstyle in whatever level of detail you feel is necessary. It's important.
It's nice to meet you all.
was it "let's go"? I've been trying to make it a thing lately. as like a fun tradition of sorts I guess.
Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2017 4:04 pm mmmmmlets go
I opened with "let's go" in vocaroo as well, and a few other games I think.
Is that it? My next few posts in that thread were to make excuses for being late to the thread and to call people out for being shitty and rude to each other, and to ask people about their usual meta. I haven't done any of those things so it has to be the "let's go" right? :-?
Incredulous
Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 6:34 pm Hey @JaggedJimmyJay I'm telling you right now, if you get me wrongly lynched and don't reveal what you thought the tell was then I'm not going to easily forgive you for it.
If you're really just making this up then it's not a cool tactic. If you legitimately think I have a tell then sure fine whatever, everyone's wrong sometimes, but if not then you have to take responsibility for it. Promise me.
Defiant
Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 6:42 pm I take everything that involves me seriously.
Jay is a thread-leader. Stuff he says often ends up having impact. I'm not going to ignore it when he makes some vague claim about me, especially not if people are actually listening.
Indignant
Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 7:09 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 6:54 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 6:34 pm Hey @JaggedJimmyJay I'm telling you right now, if you get me wrongly lynched and don't reveal what you thought the tell was then I'm not going to easily forgive you for it.
If you're really just making this up then it's not a cool tactic. If you legitimately think I have a tell then sure fine whatever, everyone's wrong sometimes, but if not then you have to take responsibility for it. Promise me.
Why leave out the third option?
the option where I survive has no bearing on my request. What I'm saying that if I do end up getting lynched for Jay's 'tell' then Jay has to be held accountable. He can't just say something like "oh well it didn't work this time but I'm going to keep what it was a secret in case it's a tell in the future. " and shrug it off.
If his tactic here causes me to die then I want his reasoning to be thoroughly checked into.
Obtuse

Sloonei is not being a civ, he is being a movie reviewer. He basically started this game by giving one word interpretations of what he thought the posts sounded like. He did not offer content, Kyle was 100% in that, but I feel like he has been bullied into backing off that early assertion he made in response to Sloonei’s handling of him. Tell me how these posts added or assisted anyone in anyway in their scum hunt?

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Good Lord I am on page 13 and people were piling their votes on Kyle with no real case having been presented on him. This lynch… I can’t even begin to express my utter astonishment at the bs that went down in here yesterday!

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I like this post. I like this guy.

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The irony in this post, I can't even...

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Another excellent post by Mac. I have clearly not played enough games with Mac. I am sad however that our reads on people are so different given what I’ve seen so far in my catch up. We’ll see how things develop in the future.

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Dude, I feel this way all the time too.

Ok, I came to Sloonei’s “case” against Kyle. Here is my big beef with this whole situation. Actually you know what, I think I have a couple of them. First of all, you went through and assigned emotional motivation to his posts. That is pretty much all you did. You read through and tried to say I think this reflects such and such emotion. But even if you were right, do you really think civs don’t get indignant? Do you think they don’t find accusations against them incredulously? It was thoroughly unhelpful commentary to begin with. So right from the start I have a problem with you. Then you followed it up with these picked apart explanations, but what you fail to take into consideration is the fact that the game being referenced was a bad experience for Kyle, and one he has in the past as a civ also said, dude this is so not representative of my normal play. So anyone leveling a charge against him based on that game would have immediately gotten the emotional backlash of a bad experience. Some of your other points are self defeating too. By that I mean, you say he didn’t question why, but later you quote him literally trying to question what this accusation is based on and cite it as an example of him being bad. Kyle has in my opinion adequately explained all of his actions on Day 1. Your case was self contained and contradicted itself. I have a real problem with that. Lastly you and Long Con both picked apart how he phrased things as indicators of a slip basically. I think this is a stretch at best. Baddies are cautious in how they phrase things, civs are not. Kyle was posting from a frustrated place and trying to figure out how serious Jay actually was. You look super opportunistic here. Not a good look.

And now we come to the beginning of my lynch. Unfortunately I can’t tell who I was tied with that Epi decided to break to my detriment? Can anyone please help me out with that?

One thing of note, I was only the second person to vote for Sloonei. When I voted Epi had 4 and I think someone else had 3. I was far from suddenly coming in and drive by voting someone into danger. Additionally, Kyle implied before my vote that he wasn’t likely to leave it there. So everyone who suddenly changed your votes, I would like some explanations. All I am seeing is “I changed my vote.” “Yuck.” And other such one line bs. So let’s see some people owning their mistakes, I want to know why, because no one seemed to want to ask that question while it was happening.

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Yeah, Mac is confirmed town in my mind at this point right here. He was pulling for a lynch of someone other than the leaders and saw the sudden train on me for what it was and called it out. Well done Mac. I think you were the only one.

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Please clarify, you never liked what thing?

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So which way was it, was I drive by voting or was I trying to get you lynched? :roll eyes:

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Mac bringing it again.

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And how do you think it looked now that you know Daisy 1.0 was good?

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nutella wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 4:06 am Nah dude. Wolves are Epi and two of speedchuck, Long Con, or LoRab.
I'm good. Kyle's good. LC's prolly bad.
Wilgy's good. Marmot, who the fuck knows.

Where did you get LC being bad from? Maybe I missed it earlier but this seems like your first mention of him as a wolf read.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 2:29 pm I'm going to fling a brick. A maybe-true brick?
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 1:53 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 1:49 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 2:51 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 2:48 am I didn't register that he faulted me for not reading kyle's posts that way. Yuck. Also he's accusing me of "doint nothing except pound Kyle into the ground" without having read the post in which I pounded kyle into the ground. Yuck.
Sorry Daisy. we should have lynched Epi.
And now that we both want him dead, his agenda has shifted back to "Jay saved Sloonei" and a bunch of meaningless "they're in love" jokes.
I'll vote for him the moment Day 2 starts.
You shoulda just lynched him with me today you ninny.
Yeah. Thankfully we can remedy that next.
I don't like this. It's almost like Jay used the opportunity to vote Daisy, delaying a lynch that he'd already set up.
That's what I always think when I see preemptive D2 planned votes, especially from big players that usually try not to tunnel. This could shut down discussion, and it highlights the delay while seeming apologetic about the lynch.
If anybody has a better way to describe this ping, feel free.
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 1:59 pm Overconfident Night 1 POE:
Dave
DrWilgy
Epignosis
Long Con
novaselinenever
Quite a lot of low-hanging fruit in this POE.
I am of the opinion that at least one of JJJ, Epi, and Sloonei are scum. I don't know which one. Or if it's the only one. Another scum is hiding among the others that have been around, and we probably have one low poster scum. No basis for this other than how the game has gone.
I'm going to try to narrow down my three candidates on that.

And then Speedchuck posts something like this and I think he must be good. You are so problematic for me man. I can’t decide where to put you on my rainbow.

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Um wut? "We already decided this" is a really bad way to go into the next day, sets a nice little lynch train right up.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 1:38 am I thought Kyle looked bad in his early posts. I will make no apology for that. I could have been wrong. I might have been wrong. Having experienced frustration on par with what he exhibited, I'm feeling it's likely that I was wrong. But it looked to me on Day 0 like he was arguing against his own conscience. It was awful to make a case and get absolutely no critical response to it other than "you're bad." Even if I was 100% wrong, which absolutely might be the case and was always a possibility in mind, I just wanted to fucking talk about my suspect. I was never, on any planet, trying to bury or bully Kyle.

I appreciate your post, Daisy. You're wrong about me.

Also I told FZ "not to catch up" because I'm actively campaigning against catching up. It's in my signature and I talked about it at length after Vocaroo. Catching up when you're far behind in the thread is a waste of time.

I have more thoughts Sloonei, those are just my thoughts in the moment I did my catch up, as I was reading. I have more coherent thoughts that I was gathering too, but I want to see reactions to these first before I put those out there. It could be telling to some of my suspicions that have been percolating. And I have some people I came away with a feeling I need to ISO them. All that to say, I'm sorry if I upset you. Also, don't take my shit posting after my lynch too seriously, I was worked up, but I was posting like a crazy person because I honestly believed (and still do) that there are some questions the civs should be asking about the way that played out. I was trying to get people talking about it. But I still have you up there on my suspect list, so don't get too comfy either.

That is one thing you and I can agree on, but more on that when I post the coherent version of my thoughts later. First let's hear some conversation in here and it better be more than conversation about freaking Kyle or people just saying Epi is a foregone conclusion. That's just about as lame as my lynch was. Even if he is lynched, don't sit there and twiddle your thumbs and say, aren't we all just voting Epi?

I have to work early tomorrow, but I will be checking in on my phone as frequently as possible. Don't lynch me again while I'm working or I might start taking it personal.

You know you're invested in a game when you have to be up in five hours but you just can't help but answer one more post... lol

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 2:00 am
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 1:56 am That is one thing you and I can agree on, but more on that when I post the coherent version of my thoughts later. First let's hear some conversation in here and it better be more than conversation about freaking Kyle or people just saying Epi is a foregone conclusion. That's just about as lame as my lynch was. Even if he is lynched, don't sit there and twiddle your thumbs and say, aren't we all just voting Epi?
Since you've had a 24-hour period of just being able to ruminate without posting, I have a request of you. I'm going to put some pairings below. Make the assumption, in each pairing, that one is scum and one is not. Then tell me which one you'd shoot.

Epi vs Jay
Epi vs Sloonei
Dizzy vs FZ
LoRab vs Marmot

Feel free to throw one out if you have no thoughts on it, or throw another pair in.

Jay
Ugh can I say both on Epi and Sloonei? GTH, I'm going with Epi.
And these last two are harder to choose because I have so little read on one or both...
I would say FZ. Based on the fact I am reading Dyslexicon as one of four hard town reads right now
And I don't know, maybe Lorab? No real read on either of them other than Marmot seemed genuinely frustrated when he thought he was being lynched. But baddies can be frustrated too.

I have a question for [mention]MacDougall[/mention] please. Why did you talk like you wanted to stop my lynch but not put any actions behind it? You just sat with your vote on me.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 2:09 am Actually, @everyone. GTH, say one of JJJ and sloonei are scum. Which one?

Jay

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 2:18 am Also, Daisy, I have a few disagreements with your mammoth post that I cannot adequately cover on my phone. Stand by.

Oh, I'm sure you do. I think you and I are going to have some fun in the next 24 hours. Alas, for now I must sleep.

Alright folks, I gave plenty of time before posting my coherent thoughts after the catch up so I will be doing that momentarily. I apologize for being absent today though, like I said work. Then when I got home from work I passed out for a couple hours thanks to only getting like two hours of sleep last night. So... here we go!

My biggest beef here that I just can't get past is that in yesterday's lynch, no one (except Mac) asked why it was going down the way it did. The person who was lynched had 4 posts, one of which was only an emoji post. Three posts out of 19 pages of content and conversation. That is who was lynched. And after the lynch flip, no one seemed the least bit interested in discussing who voted for the person that flipped civ and why, or what votes looked bad. No one but me. So ask yourselves, why is that? The fact that conversation went immediately back to the same shit they talked about all day yesterday instead of focusing on the new information that could provide new basis of questioning and consideration says to me that at least one of the top three voices in this thread did not want to talk about that vote. And I could see it even being two of the top three with how quickly conversation about the vote was killed after the flip.

Sloonei was right in that my catching up did impact my view of him. I believe I see someone who was/is tunneling on Kyle, incorrectly I believe. And who was in a self preservation mode. I don't think he is the real reason Daisy 1.0 was lynched. My stream of consciousness post doesn't reflect this because that was just taking each post as it came,once I looked at the whole it changed my opinion. I actually agree with Jay's criticism of my thoughts on Sloonei's case. If Sloonei was bad he surely would have abandoned this by now.

Right now my eye is firmly on Jay. He changed his vote with barely any conversation. I just can't get over the fact that Jay voted for me, without any hesitation or discussion about the fact I said I was going to be gone, or that there were plenty of other good suspicions that were rolling around. It just doesn't look good to me at all. And I feel like he was a major contributor to shifting the focus back onto Kyle/Sloonei. his post after I flipped? "Oh well,plenty of time to regroup and review."

And he has not really reviewed anything at all since then. He has done little more than retread old ground. I am super unimpressed with him.

Now I'm about to tinfoil on you all, so bear with me. I am eyeing Epi as his possible partner in the bs. Epi tried to tell me that I was in the thread and I watched Sloonei building a case on me but I didn't say anything. He actually tried to blame me for the fact I didn't post until right as the poll ended. I ask you, does anyone in here think that a civ or a baddie will sit and follow the thread, read a case being thrown at them, watch as the votes start piling on, and just not say anything? Even more, can anyone recall a time I have ever done that? Why would anyone do that?

Consider the two of them together, Day 1 Epi throws major shit at Jay, Jay throws back. They both take these definitive stances in thread, but do either of them vote for the other? Nope. Night 1, both of them do the same again. Each declaring they are going to vote for the other but where are the votes now? Not on either of them. Frankly it reads more like a bromance than real accusations. It looks like fun and games, not serious accusations.

I really believe Jay is bad. I feel that Epi or Sloonei is likely his partner based on how the thread went after Daisy 1.0 died. But I lean Epi on that more than Sloonei. I feel like they are keeping sloonei in this position to be possibly mislynched. I don't feel as confident in the teammates theory as I do about Jay being bad though. I think that is the best place to start.

Here is the way my rainbow currently looks:

Daisy 2.0
Kyle
Mac
Wilgy
Dyslexicon

FZ.
Long Con

Lorab
Marmot
NVN

Sloonei
Speed
Nutella

Epi
Jay

Thoughts on some of my yellows and oranges. Lorab, I guess I don't know why it is others are pinged by there, so I would welcome someone to share it with me. I don't have a read on either her or Marmot. I mean I could gut read Marmot a little higher, but I'm afraid it would be based on his emotional appeals and last time I went with that I lost the game for the civs in Phenon. NVN, nothing to base a read on. If this were a GTH I would say bad but only as a kind of default settting. I would love to hear more from him.

I have said enough about Sloonei. i contemplated whether he was an orange or a red, but I feel like he moved up a notch for me once I was past the initial shock of everything and then had time to read how it all went down. Speedchuck was a toughie, I would go back and forth with nearly every post I read from him. One post I would be like, yeah that sounds very civ minded. Only to be followed by a post that was super shady almost immediately. In the end it was his vote post that put him into the orange bracket for me. I don't like how he tried to avoid responsibility for anything, even the very vote he was placing as he placed it. No, that was shady man. Nutella feels more aggressive and more like baddie nutella to me. Her wanting to come in and vote Epi right off feels unlike her civ play. She is usually more open to hearing cases and information and considering everything. I don't see that here. I find that worrisome.

Dyslexicon, I don't see why so many people are bad reading her. Between her and Mac, everything they were saying was like my gut immediately responded with, yep that is a civ post. I am shocked by how many are finding her bad. I don't know if I have played with her before so is there something I am missing about her meta or something that is making people feel this way?

I've already explained where I am on Kyle. Mac I went back and forth between slight town read and strong town read. I only had trouble because every post he makes regarding things happening in the thread I get. It reads true and he says the stuff i can't understand why no one else is saying. My problem comes with the fact that his words don't line up with his actions. In the end though, I think that is more likely to be how a civ behaves than a baddie. civs may go with their gut in the moment and make a poor choice even if they pointed out the problem before hand. But a baddie is going to want to look consistent, otherwise it makes people question them. Finally Wilgy, this is a complete tone read for me. In a recent game I kept thinking how weird I thought Wilgy was acting, but no one else seemed to think so. I dismissed it and guess who turned out to be bad? Wilgy. I don't get the same vibe from him here and feel really comfortable putting him as a solid green.

I guess the only two left are FZ and LC. IT's kind of funny, I have the same problem with both of them. They seem to really be picking apart how people are wording things. It may be because I have been the one to have how I worded something picked apart. I put very little stock in it, because I think it's rarely an indication of anything. The difference between the two is FZ felt more sincere to me in how she was reading something into Kyle's posts on Day 1. I lean slight town on her. LC I pretty much felt no read on until his case on Speedchuck. Maybe my problem with LC is I don't get him very well, we rarely seem to think alike. When we do I find it reassuring. I'm not sure if that's a good thing or not though lol.

Well there you go folks. All my thoughts. From both before I replaced in and up to the present.

No one ever told me who I was tied with before the mass game of musical chairs occurred and everyone decided to shove me out of the circle. I think this information could be good to know. Was there any kind of save possibly going on?

I'm voting Jay, I doubt that comes as any surprise.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 8:57 pm I'm focusing on the other game right now because of the deadline alignment. Keep the tally close, that's all I ask. I'll be here soon.

Right now no one has more than 2 votes. Do what you need to.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 9:22 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 8:49 pm No one ever told me who I was tied with before the mass game of musical chairs occurred and everyone decided to shove me out of the circle. I think this information could be good to know. Was there any kind of save possibly going on?
Epi and I were the two candidates before everybody piled on you.

Thank you Sloonei and Marmot for your answers.

Oh yes, that reminds me, Mac you said you thought one of Jay, Epi and Sloonei should be lynched so why the vote on Marmot. What has earned him your vote?

Hmm, maybe I confused Mac with someone else? I went back to try and locate the post I was remembering in his ISO and now can't find it. Must look into this more...

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 3:51 am Either this day results in a lynch of Epi or Sloonei or I want them both to stop talking about each other. If this days analysis focuses on them again and we fail to lynch one it will be a massive failure.

My mistake, you actually said Epi or Sloonei and it's balanced against or else they stop talking about each other. Ok, I follow now. I still would like to know why your vote is on Marmot exactly?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:39 pm I'm voting for LoRab

Interesting, why Lorab?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:11 pm Fam if you wouldn't mind I had a Kyle and long con team as a good possibility. Would you mind looking at their interactions and sharing with me your thoughts when you have a moment?

I'll look in a bit here, gotta step away for the sim. be back in a bit guys, sorry.

Also, I don't like the idea of a Dyslexicon lynch.

I am super confused about whatever is going on with Dizzy right now... uh... sim is running behind and I'm trying to do both at once, it's not going well for my brain. Let me try and look back over this stuff.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:58 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:55 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:51 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:49 pm I’m doing everything I possibly can to help you.

I think NVN would make a decent alternative if I wasn’t so occupied with persuing your lynch because your case on Epig was bad.

Last try. You, Speed and Epig should try figure out if I’m town or scum here. Good luck if you need it.
Theory: Dizzy has been forced to vote for me via the This Guy role and "a punishment of his choice".

Crap, if this is true then that really changes the landscape for my suspicions... shit.

Linki: Epi, I am reading alongside of playing an rpg and i keep seeing conversation about Dizzy but I was clearly not getting what was being said and just realized it, that is what I mean. See above.

Why is nutella on Jay now too?

I moved to nutella for the moment, I'm not 100% certain I want to stay there but my gut just got thrown for a loop and her moving to Jay is concerning to me.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:51 am
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:49 am
Linki: Epi, I am reading alongside of playing an rpg
What rpg?

Sorry for delayed response, it was the Syndicate Trek Sim, and it ran really long tonight. We usually are pretty promtp but it was a sort of off story arc mission so yeah.
Clearly juggling two things was not cutting it for my brain.

We actually just wrapped up a few minutes ago.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:14 am
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:13 am We actually just wrapped up a few minutes ago.
Did the person really die that time, or was it a cop-out?

Uh no, we did a one off mission that was outside of the current story arc. So it was unrelated to that tonight. Our game director couldn't be here so Sokoth just ran it.
Johnny's fate still hangs in the balance.

I was going to go to bed as well, but now I see a lynch post coming so perhaps I will wait after all.

She was already in my lower tier, and once it hit me what was actually being suggested she moved onto Jay with me, tying him up with three votes. It suddenly felt very bad, so I moved to her.

Linki: It looks like she chose well where to put her vote ultimately though!

Sorry that last post was a response to [mention]Sloonei[/mention]

Alright guys, I have to sleep. Goodnight.

This game is one of the most frustrating I have played in recent memory. I apologize for not being back in here sooner, I worked this morning had a nap and then went to the grocery. It's been a long day and I am tired and grumpy.

[mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention] Perhaps I wasn't clear in what the difference was between my first mega post and my second. My first post was literally me just going through and giving my read on each post as it came. Just knee jerk reactions. It was also still very colored by my emotional response to the surprise lynch. The second post was after I could sit back and think on everything, and had time to form some suspicions. The biggest thing in my mind at that time was that I felt the thread was being directed. And of the people who I thought seemed to be doing that were you and Epi, add that into the fact you two seem to be dancing very loudly around each other all freaking game, yet never seemed to really want to lynch each other. It just looked really suspect to me.

[mention]nutella[/mention] , I don't think you get what was happening in my mind during the vote. I came back in replacing Dave and I was focused on what I believed was happening, like never would I have imagined me putting my vote on anyone other than Jay at the end of the day. Never. At some point I thought I saw someone (Epi I think?) mention that she might be cursed. And she said something about this being her only post or something of that nature. I guess I just thought she was under a posting curse of some sort. I thought it was weird she was continuing to post if under a posting restriction, but again my focus was on Jay. As the EoD got closer, most people were not in here because they had MK EoD. I started my sim, but it ran twice as long as usual so a half hour before EoD, I started looking at what was happening while still trying to play my game. It hit me as I tried to multitask that I had misunderstood the situation completely and I can't even tell you how much it shook me. If Dizzy was forced to vote Jay it called my top suspicions into question. It should be noted I moved my vote only 11 minutes before the vote ended. If you really expect I could have cast a confident vote anywhere in 11 minutes after I felt like my entire point of view had been possibly turned on it's head, you have too high of expectations in my opinion. I really didn't have any idea coming into the lynch that the curse mentioned was not a curse but probably a force. I wish your theory was true, because then it would mean I was attempting some manipulation rather than just being so off in my suspicion.

As to everyone else suspecting me for my non stance on Lorab, fair enough. You're wrong, but at least your suspicions are better grounded this time around. I can't have reads on everyone and like I already said, my focus was on Jay, Epi and Sloonei and sorting out who I thought was bad there. I just didn't feel like I had any read on her. Yep, it looks bad, but I can't change that it just is what it is.

If I was a team with Lorab why would I not just either bus her or cast a vote to save her? How does voting off accomplish anything?

Let me clarify, I felt it was being directed away from topics that should be discussed. And if that was the way I felt I was asking myself why would someone want that? I came to the conclusion that one or two of you, Jay and Sloonei were bad as a result of that. Direction is not bad, misdirection is. And I felt like it was misdirection.

[mention]MacDougall[/mention] Seems like a piss poor strategy to me, but whatever you want to think you go ahead. But to be clear, I have never shied away from bussing teammates in the past.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:44 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:34 pm @MacDougall Seems like a piss poor strategy to me, but whatever you want to think you go ahead. But to be clear, I have never shied away from bussing teammates in the past.
Making actions so you can point at them later to gain civ cred is a piss poor strategy?

Guess that makes me a piss poor Mafia player then.

Seems like it would make way more sense to do something likely to buy you some civ cred than to take an action you have to explain and defend. Taking the clearly civ looking path makes more sense to me as a baddie than taking a weak move and taking the fall out just in order to say, "but if I was bad I wouldn't have done that!" But maybe that's just the way I play. Also, don't make it personal man, I wasn't saying anything about your gameplay. The piss poor comment was because if I was bad and had bussed her, I wouldn't likely be in the orange for people who previously were coloring me green. If that was my strategy it sure as hell seems to not be a very good one. That's all I meant.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:56 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:52 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:44 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:34 pm @MacDougall Seems like a piss poor strategy to me, but whatever you want to think you go ahead. But to be clear, I have never shied away from bussing teammates in the past.
Making actions so you can point at them later to gain civ cred is a piss poor strategy?

Guess that makes me a piss poor Mafia player then.
Seems like it would make way more sense to do something likely to buy you some civ cred than to take an action you have to explain and defend. Taking the clearly civ looking path makes more sense to me as a baddie than taking a weak move and taking the fall out just in order to say, "but if I was bad I wouldn't have done that!" But maybe that's just the way I play. Also, don't make it personal man, I wasn't saying anything about your gameplay. The piss poor comment was because if I was bad and had bussed her, I wouldn't likely be in the orange for people who previously were coloring me green. If that was my strategy it sure as hell seems to not be a very good one. That's all I meant.
Everything you said is wifom. That's the argument for why your action is capable of being a scum action. It's wifom. And as such needs to be completely ignored.

I'm fine with that. It's not like this is the only thing I've said regarding yesterday. So disregard those two sentences out of my entire post all you like. I don't give two shits man.

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