The Syndicate

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 6:19 pm Effective immediately, Elohcin has replaced timmer.

Well, hello everyone. Thanks so much for the warm welcome. You are all too kind.

okay, I am going to be lazy. I see we have 10 players....wait...9 since wilgy was just lynched (RIP). Can anyone tell me how many mafia we have left and how many are civs? Anyone care to give me a rundown of what is going on? Or are you all just a bunch of inactive nerds?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 9:47 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 6:19 pm Effective immediately, Elohcin has replaced timmer.

She's gonna be unhappy.

why?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 9:52 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 7:18 pm Have people been voting at the last minute in this game?

It's a problem.

Due to my excellent pattern recognition abilities, I have discovered that days that end at 7 pm are really sucky for me. My son goes to bed around 7 and my daughter around 8. I do mt best work between those two hours while rocking the baby or waiting for the kiddo to finish washing her hands. Or while it's a slow work day. Or after 8 when I'm in bed and my wife is asleep or close to it (the kids are small and we are sleep deprived).

So basically 5-7 is my least productive mafia time and that's when I'm needed most in this game. I'll try to get a vote down and say what needs to be said before 5 from now on.

Also I think you are bad.

I get it man. You could have worse problems. Our oldest has never gone to bed before 9pm, ever! He stopped naps at age 2. He wakes up around 6:30am and throughout the night as well. Our other two are a bit more typical but still never before 8:30-9pm.

Stupid POE crap and it isn't even based on my actions whatsoever.

Yeah! What he said!

I'm sorry, but I cannot go back and read 21 pages at this time. Jay, how about you give me a bit of what has gone on so I can weigh in and actually prove myself a bit.

woops, jack, not jay. My bad. Long day so far.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 3:38 pm

Elohcin wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 2:51 pm I'm sorry, but I cannot go back and read 21 pages at this time. Jay, how about you give me a bit of what has gone on so I can weigh in and actually prove myself a bit.

Glor claimed town so we know he's town.

Sloonei came out Slooneiing. I and a few others expressed belief he was good. Mac said he was bad. Speed then replaced Sloonei and while not doing amazing, hasn't pinged me at all. Epi has also expressed belief he is good.

Mac and Wilgy more or less got himself lynched and Mac almost did the same but was nightkilled for some reason.

I'd appreciate it if you would ISO Juliets/Timmer, LC, Rabbit and weigh in on them.

I'll try to do all of these asap. I'll go in order of what you listed. are we in 23 hour nights?

I hate doing ISOs, they wear me out. So I am doing the best I can.

Juliets -
-Just replaced in as well, I've notices and already has 23 posts within a little over 4 hours. That's pretty nuts!
-First real topic of discussion was Mac being night-killed. She says there was not a lot of suspicion on him, so maybe a redirect? Or, she says he thought Jack and chuck were bad. But I am not sure if I would put Jack or chuck as bad at this point. A set-up looks more likely.
-At one point, she questions long cons motives for voting chuck.
-Engages Glorf on a vote matter.
-doesn't say much about timmer except that he is a quiet baddie from her memory, but that he was hurt somehow and had to replace out. I believe that was who I replaced
-votes wilgy because there is n better option in her opinion but she contemplates moving her vote and acts worried
-helpful to me as I replace in

overall, I think juliets seems civ.

I feel like this is difficult because we have no mafia kills yet. Almost like it's still Day 0

Day 1, rather

LC
-his sus of nutella seems to be reaching
-he demeanor this game is playful
-he doesn't seem too invested in the game, just doing enough to get by
-I don't like how he handles the suspicion that he and nutella are teammates. I know she turned out civ, but still.

Alright....I can see an LC vote in my future after reading through his posts. He just doesn't look civ to me

taking a break

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:46 am I'm unconvinced by LC's Epi case and am considering voting LC today.

I'd be down with this after my ISO of him yesterday.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 11:07 am

Elohcin wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 10:37 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:46 am I'm unconvinced by LC's Epi case and am considering voting LC today.

I'd be down with this after my ISO of him yesterday.

Tell me about that.

I posted on it yesterday. I swear people see the name Elohcin and just skip over my posts.

I don't know rabbit all too well. Tell me why this makes you nervous.

I've been gone/doing crap all damn day. About to go back out and come back to cook dinner. I will have time to catch up/talk while sitting and waiting outside Abigail's tumbling class between 6:15-7:15.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2018 9:29 am Rabbit vote analysis:

Rabbit makes a point of having voted for LC but not necessarily intending to stay on him and indeed points out when he is no longer doing so. He never really explains why he voted LC. (Sloonei may have called him on this, prompting the later comment.) Is this AI for Rabbit if LC's alignment is known? Or vice versa? Not sure.

Rabbit ends up voting DF, a fairly big train, without saying why. This assists with the no lynch tie.

Rabbit does not vote Day 2.

Day 3, Rabbit votes Mac over Nutella. He talked about the later a bit but not the former. Ultimately, with 4 competing townie vote trains, in not sure this matters much but the discrepancy between words and actions is notable.

Day 4, Rabbit misses the vote.



I'd be good with a Rabbit lynch.

This is a very good analysis. I was ready to vote LC after reading him, but rabbit seems to be a good vote also. I am up for either of the two. The following quote only makes me think LC and rabbit are teammates. I mean, first of all, that rabbit voted lc but changed it to a bandwagon and never went through with the lc vote...that seems like slight distancing. But then LC says this...

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2018 10:24 am I also called Rabbit out for his pressure-less vote on me.

"C'mon guyths...give me sthome cthiv cred."

I wasn't being aggressive, I was trying to be funny. I guess you didn't laugh.

I think most of the time, I only amuse myself.

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2018 10:39 pm Elohcin

Replaced timmer Day 4.

- says hello
- says she'll be lazy and asks for someone to catch her up
- complains about POE suspicion inherited from timmer
- agrees with speedchuck's assessment that Jack's POE is baseless
- asks again for some catchup help

The next one is interesting enogh to warrant a real quote:

Elohcin wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 5:56 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 3:38 pm

Elohcin wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 2:51 pm I'm sorry, but I cannot go back and read 21 pages at this time. Jay, how about you give me a bit of what has gone on so I can weigh in and actually prove myself a bit.

Glor claimed town so we know he's town.

Sloonei came out Slooneiing. I and a few others expressed belief he was good. Mac said he was bad. Speed then replaced Sloonei and while not doing amazing, hasn't pinged me at all. Epi has also expressed belief he is good.

Mac and Wilgy more or less got himself lynched and Mac almost did the same but was nightkilled for some reason.

I'd appreciate it if you would ISO Juliets/Timmer, LC, Rabbit and weigh in on them.

I'll try to do all of these asap. I'll go in order of what you listed. are we in 23 hour nights?

"I'll go in order of what you listed." Why was that something she needed to say? Well, if she and rabbit are teammates, then that puts the teammate-analysis furthest away... gives her a chance to put eyes on someone earlier in the list. Maybe she won't get around to her teammate at all...? Just a weird thing to say, why would Eloh need for us to know she's doing them in his order? Easy way out of "hey you didn't really look at rabbit and he turned out bad, maybe you're his teammate?" "No, it wasn't even my order, I was just following Jack's instructions!" Y'know? Guess we shoud wait for rabbit's flip before we return to this slightly incriminating bit.

-- ISO on juliets, looks pretty standard, but there's one part that caught my attention:

"-First real topic of discussion was Mac being night-killed. She says there was not a lot of suspicion on him, so maybe a redirect? Or, she says he thought Jack and chuck were bad. But I am not sure if I would put Jack or chuck as bad at this point. A set-up looks more likely. "

So, if your conclusion is that Mac is not killed by his suspects Speed and Jack... and that a set-up is more likely... then why didn't you follow up on that? And if it's a set-up, then why would you give juliets a nice soft blanket civread, when she's the one that gently pointed the finger at Jack and Speed? Why wouldn't you question her motives, if you really think it's a set-up?

Blaaaaah, rabbit8 was Civ.... I'll post this anyway, although it contains some rabbit-assumption-bad stuff.

Long story short, the rest of it is "blah blah LC is bad"

You're just mad because I made fun of you.

To answer your questions though, I came into this game as a civ, but as a civ replacing someone who apparently did not have the trust of the people. I have to earn that trust, not from a zero starting point, but from a negative spot (if that makes sense). I'm not big into ISOs, but I wanted to try to get to some in if I could find the time because Jack asked me to do so and just after reading some of jack, I felt he could be trusted. I did them in the order that they were requested, and said I would, because I felt that they were probably listed in an order of importance of the requester. Obviously, Juliets was first on Jack's mind as he listed her first and so on. I knew I would probably not get to all of them. I'm sorry, but I run this household, take care of my children 24 damn 7 (don't get me wrong, they are my life right now but can you imagine being with all your children 24/7? I do it because it is what's right for our family), and run a 20 hour a week business. But I do my best to help out (i.e. subbing in) and I enjoy playing this game because it helps me escape RL just a bit.

What I don't understand from your post is this part, "So, if your conclusion is that Mac is not killed by his suspects Speed and Jack... and that a set-up is more likely... then why didn't you follow up on that? And if it's a set-up, then why would you give juliets a nice soft blanket civread, when she's the one that gently pointed the finger at Jack and Speed? Why wouldn't you question her motives, if you really think it's a set-up?" I didn't say anything about a set-up. You are going to have to explain what all you mean. I said maybe mac was killed because of a redirect. meaning, maybe the mafia didn't mean to kill him. I said this because Jules said that there wasn't a lot of sus on him. I don't see what this has to do with any kind of set-up that I would need to look further into or how I could be suspected for not looking into it. Maybe I am just ignorant and not seeing something. But I don't think that is the thing here.

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2018 11:04 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2018 10:53 pm Well that sucks. We are having terrible luck.

To Long Con: I never said anything about a re-direct. I never said I thought jack and speed were bad. I didn't gently point at Jack and speed. What do you mean question my motives? I'm confused by this whole section of your post about me.

If you didn't do that, then have ytou questioned Eloh about saying "She says there was not a lot of suspicion on him, so maybe a redirect? Or, she says he thought Jack and chuck were bad. "

This is from Elohcin's evaluation of your ISO, juliets. Why do you question it and deny everything when I say it, and ignore it when Eloh says it?

you are misreading my post. I said maybe a re-direct based on jules saying mac didn;t have much sus on him. that is all.

anyway...early morning and long day tomorrow.. I'm out.

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2018 11:41 pm Here is my original post about Mac/speed/Jack:

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 1:38 pm I just read through Mac to see if I could get an idea of why he was killed. It looks like he was under suspicion so it strikes me as an odd kill. He was suspicious of Sloonei/speedchuck and at the very end he called Jack bad. The speedchuck suspicion seemed the strongest but I have to wonder if he was killed to set speed up. I will need to read Sloonei and speed and hope that helps me determine if thats true or not. I see by reading up thats what Epi thinks has happened.

And here is Elo's ISO of me:

Elohcin wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 6:15 pm I hate doing ISOs, they wear me out. So I am doing the best I can.

Juliets -
-Just replaced in as well, I've notices and already has 23 posts within a little over 4 hours. That's pretty nuts!
-First real topic of discussion was Mac being night-killed. She says there was not a lot of suspicion on him, so maybe a redirect? Or, she says he thought Jack and chuck were bad. But I am not sure if I would put Jack or chuck as bad at this point. A set-up looks more likely.
-At one point, she questions long cons motives for voting chuck.
-Engages Glorf on a vote matter.
-doesn't say much about timmer except that he is a quiet baddie from her memory, but that he was hurt somehow and had to replace out. I believe that was who I replaced
-votes wilgy because there is n better option in her opinion but she contemplates moving her vote and acts worried
-helpful to me as I replace in

overall, I think juliets seems civ.

I never said anything about a redirect so I'll wait for her answer on that part but if you look at the underlined parts you can see what I said and what she said I said.

Now that we have both quotes in front of us can you please make your point again LC?

linki

The redirect comment was all me. And it should have read..."She says there was some suspicion on him, so maybe a redirect?"

I misspoke. There WAS some suspicion on him which made her wonder why he, specifically, was killed. This is when I suggested maybe a redirect. Granted, I hadn't read any roles at that time

Does this clear it up? Sorry for the misunderstanding.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:54 am
Now that you've read the roles, and you are sure there are no redirects, do you think Mac was killed by his suspects, or do you think it was a set-up?

I don't think he was killed by his suspects. He suspected sloon/chuck and jack according to jules and I don't have any pings from either of those players. Jack, for sure seems civ to me. Chuck, well, doesn't seem bad. I do like what he said about POE in a game where no baddies have been lynched yet though. But atm, that's all I actually remember him saying so far this game. I don't seem to notice him all too much. That could be good or that could be bad.

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 6:30 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 6:23 pm I still don't understand who said what in that mess that you guys were posting. I'm ignoring it. If it's important, it should be restated in a way that I can tell who is saying what.

I think mine and Elo's posts are easy enough to understand but LC's is so convoluted I don't know that I can clarify it well. It appears to me that he didn't read the original posts well which makes me think he was just looking for something to jump on. When I get to that part I'll see what I can do. I have to take a break now though.

I have to agree. It was almost like he was trying to pin something on me or make me stumble. I think if you read mine and juliet's original posts, their meanings are clear. I have thought LC was bad ever since I first read through his posts when Jack asked me to. And LC even tried to find baddieness in me when I did that. He called me out for doing the ISOs in the order that Jack asked. He said it was weird that I would do that and say I was doing that. I thought it was a really odd and petty thing for him to come at me for. I knew I wouldn't get to all the people on Jack's list, so I wanted to start at the top and that's why I told him I would. Though he has tried several times, LC isn't going to trip me up and it's not going to get to me, because I am not bad. I still think he is and that's why he is going hard after me. I think he thinks I'm an easy civ kill.

we just want to make sure we get it right so we don't lose. Your reactional outburst doesn't make me feel better about you. And my opinion of you has nothing to do with Epi.

LC, how can you speak with such certainty?

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 4:12 pm

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 4:02 pm LC, how can you speak with such certainty?

Because I rolechecked you.

You're so silly.

This is serious.

I'm here now. I still think LC is bad and he is the way to go. I am trying to stay awake but I am slowly fading.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 10:25 pm I've got a vote on Jack.

for what purpose? to make him squeal? I will not be voting jack today. I don't think he is bad.

@juliets - I think the reason you don't see much good in me is because I haven't been crazy invested in this game.

I ISOed LC and Juliets only. Everyone else I have just made made up my thoughts on from what I have seen while here.

I know we are all afraid to get this wrong. Now let me think a minute. I trust Juliets and Jack. INH of course. That leaves LC, Chuck, and Epi as bad on my POE....I know POE is stupid. BUt I must be wrong about someone because I don't see Epi and LC as bad together at all. This is what thinking out loud gets me....confused.

I have a question. Of those that you think are bad, which one (if lynched and IS bad) will give us the most info on finding the next baddie? With a game so close in the end like this, we not only need to get a baddie, but the one that will lead us to the others.

okay...lots of linki....I am going to place a vte on LC. I am tired and want to have a vote somewhere in case I fall asleep. Also, I don't like the vote spreading.

I see chuck voted too