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Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2018 2:58 am pressure vote on @Glorfindel

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2018 6:39 am

Glorfindel wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2018 3:41 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2018 2:58 am pressure vote on @Glorfindel

Why would you do such a thing, my friend? This is no way to summon the presence of this High Elven Prince!

Are you mafia?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2018 11:19 am I believe Glorfindel has stated that he won't be answering questions about his alignment because that takes the fun out of the game. I get nothing out of his non-answer. But I would like to know what he thinks of kyle and mac for their treatment of him. @ Glorfindel

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2018 5:17 pm @nutella I'm not sure I follow your thought process RE: Glorfindel. On the one hand you say his behavior is NAI, but in the same sentence you add that it gives you a bad feeling. What's the bad feeling is his behavior doesn't indicate anything about his alignment?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2018 6:12 pm

Glorfindel wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2018 5:21 pmIn answer to your question, I’m not sure. Kyle doesn’t have the benefit of the experience of me here at The Syndicate that many of the rest of you have and granted, my approach to these games could hardly be described as ‘conventional’ so I figure that explains his early treatment of me this game. Yet the vote he placed on me (for the purpose of encouraging me to respond to him) remains despite me having done so. That and something about his tone is not giving me a good vibe.

I voted for you in an attempt to draw out your traditional "i am civ" post or lack there of. If you are purposefully steering yourself away that meta then that's fine. I respect that. Purposefully giving yourself such an obvious tell seems like a needless challenge.

The reason my vote is still on you is because the explanations I've received about you have all come from other players. You haven't answered or even acknowledged any of the questions regarding the change in your meta. Not even as much as a "I don't do that anymore" or "I'm not responding to that" or a "Sloonei is right"

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2018 7:08 pm

Glorfindel wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2018 7:02 pm Very well. I’m putting an end to this nonsense once and for all. If no one could’ve guessed, THIS game means a great deal to me (perhaps more than any other that I’ve played here at the Syndicate) and I am not going to let those disingenuous amongst you use my reputation and meta against me here. Yes, I AM TOWN! You can take that to the bank or wherever else you damn well want to - I’m not going to blissfully be mislynched by the forces of #*^%ing Mordor! I’d said it before, and this game has proven it to me now - my continued presence in these games has become truly untenable. Accordingly, please don’t expect that I’ll be returning for The Two Towers (as much as that pains me). I’ll have more to say on this matter once this game is ended.

In the meantime, I’m not buying Nutella’s twisted logic for voting me so here... have one of your own!

I don't think I'm alone in saying that it's a treat to get to play with you, so I hope this sentiment is not permanent. I think we can all find a place where your personal convictions do not interfere with gameplay with more experience.

That said, tell me more about nutella. What parts of her logic seem twisted to you?

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2018 7:11 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2018 7:08 pm

Glorfindel wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2018 7:02 pm Very well. I’m putting an end to this nonsense once and for all. If no one could’ve guessed, THIS game means a great deal to me (perhaps more than any other that I’ve played here at the Syndicate) and I am not going to let those disingenuous amongst you use my reputation and meta against me here. Yes, I AM TOWN! You can take that to the bank or wherever else you damn well want to - I’m not going to blissfully be mislynched by the forces of #*^%ing Mordor! I’d said it before, and this game has proven it to me now - my continued presence in these games has become truly untenable. Accordingly, please don’t expect that I’ll be returning for The Two Towers (as much as that pains me). I’ll have more to say on this matter once this game is ended.

In the meantime, I’m not buying Nutella’s twisted logic for voting me so here... have one of your own!

I don't think I'm alone in saying that it's a treat to get to play with you, so I hope this sentiment is not permanent. I think we can all find a place where your personal convictions do not interfere with gameplay with more experience.

That said, tell me more about nutella. What parts of her logic seem twisted to you?

yeah I really didn't want you to feel forced into breaking your vow and as you could see I was reconsidering my stance based on that, I was just waffly. I'm sorry if it hurt your feelings but what was "twisted logic" about my thought process?

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2018 9:18 pm ...good luck next time you're mafia

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2018 12:22 am i've been writing the opening paragraph to a personal statement all day and i've now become inebriated to boot, so i don't know how to form sentences anymore. i need to stop.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2018 11:48 pm

Glorfindel wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2018 10:32 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2018 9:18 pm ...good luck next time you're mafia

Well, as I’ve already said, there’s no chance that will ever happen again so you don’t have to worry about that.

Mate, you're playing a game called Mafia about murdering people. I don't get the I'll never lie schtick anyway.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2018 9:12 pm

Glorfindel wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2018 8:19 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2018 7:08 pm

Glorfindel wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2018 7:02 pm Very well. I’m putting an end to this nonsense once and for all. If no one could’ve guessed, THIS game means a great deal to me (perhaps more than any other that I’ve played here at the Syndicate) and I am not going to let those disingenuous amongst you use my reputation and meta against me here. Yes, I AM TOWN! You can take that to the bank or wherever else you damn well want to - I’m not going to blissfully be mislynched by the forces of #*^%ing Mordor! I’d said it before, and this game has proven it to me now - my continued presence in these games has become truly untenable. Accordingly, please don’t expect that I’ll be returning for The Two Towers (as much as that pains me). I’ll have more to say on this matter once this game is ended.

In the meantime, I’m not buying Nutella’s twisted logic for voting me so here... have one of your own!

I don't think I'm alone in saying that it's a treat to get to play with you, so I hope this sentiment is not permanent. I think we can all find a place where your personal convictions do not interfere with gameplay with more experience.

That said, tell me more about nutella. What parts of her logic seem twisted to you?

You are most kind, Master Sloonei and I wish that what you said were true (about finding a place where my personal convictions don’t interfere with gameplay, etc.) but I think we all know that place doesn’t exist and only ever could after a great deal of disappointment and frustration both on my part and that of the other members of any Town Team I ended up on between now and this side of eternity.

As for Nutella:

1. Post #36

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nutella wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2018 7:27 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2018 7:19 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2018 7:05 pm Hot take ambray and sloonei are scum mates gg

Tell me more

you're asking all these questions to the point of sounding fake

idk the chance that you're actually teammates is probably pretty low, especially with all this interaction right after the game thread opens on day 0, but still I could see it as a possibility based on this behavior. and making a bold assertion like this should stimulate the discussion. hence the hot take

In this post, she accuses you (Master Sloonei) of sounding fake for doing precisely what you should do to drive the game forward and usually do (from my observation of your playstyle) - asking search questions. She then dismisses the probability of an ‘ingame partnership’ and then claims that her raising its likelihood should be sufficient reason to stimulate discussion... on what, precisely? Please tell me, because I have no idea Sounds like posting for the sake of posting to me.

What's wrong with posting for the sake of posting/for the sake of stimulating discussion? That's literally what D1 is all about. Gotta stir the pot. Gotta make takes while they're hot. And I recognize that Sloonei is doing what he usually does but I felt like he was doing it a little too much/asking questions that sounded forced or had already been more or less answered.
I’m confused by what it is you are asking here, my friend. Posting to stimulate discussion is indeed a worthy goal. ‘Stirring the pot’ is an entirely valid and necessary strategy in rooting out our Mafia foes. Yet this is the very basis upon which you suspect Master Sloonei - akin to criticising a detective for asking a felon too many questions? You believe his questions were forced? Can you provide an example? And still, you’ve avoided the point that I made in respect to your original post. Your Post #36 made specific reference to an ‘ingame partnership’ between Sloonei and Ambray. In the same post, you state that the probability is ‘pretty low’ but based on ‘the behaviour’ you considered your ‘bold accusation’ sufficient grounds to stimulate discussion.

Now let’s just make a comparison here. Master Sloonei is asking open, probing questions of other players. You are throwing tinfoil around with gay abandon. Who do you think comes off looking worse in that comparison?

Glorfindel wrote:2. Post #72

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nutella wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2018 11:04 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2018 10:53 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2018 10:33 pm i also don't think we should be so relaxed about roleclaiming. doing it helps the mafia narrow down who frodo is, and the role list also has additional civ roles "intended for mafia claims" so i don't think roleclaiming should even necessarily be a reason to trust someone.

You're bad too btw.

2 scum found.

why do you think Kyle is bad? He's expressing a very civ-minded strategic thought in this post

Kinda firm defense of Kyle here whom she will later sheep his vote onto me.

Not a defense of Kyle's alignment. A defense of the thought process of one post he made. Coincidence that I agreed with him on you later.
I agree with Kyle’s original proposition here as well, my friend but your response didn’t stop there, did it? Your response to Mac was “why do you think Kyle is bad?” You only then used the reference to his ‘strategic thought’ to justify your defence. Your sheeping his vote on me, a coincidence? By my calculation, your vote on me was placed almost an hour after Kyle’s. In my book, that suggests a certain degree of premeditation and forethought.

Glorfindel wrote:3. Post #140

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nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2018 3:47 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2018 2:58 am pressure vote on Glorfindel

Oh shit good point. He hasn't said "I am town" yet.

Flippant. Cheap. Weak.

No. Natural expression of what I thought at the time was a great catch.

Glorfindel wrote:4. Post #173

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nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2018 5:30 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2018 5:17 pm @nutella I'm not sure I follow your thought process RE: Glorfindel. On the one hand you say his behavior is NAI, but in the same sentence you add that it gives you a bad feeling. What's the bad feeling is his behavior doesn't indicate anything about his alignment?

My thought process was
-> He hasn't stated that he's a civ! He's avoiding the topic, and knowing Glorfindel, that means he's bad!
-> He's asked directly, and responds "Are you serious?" He's soooo obviously bad
-> Oh, apparently he said previously that he would avoid the question either way in future games so as to not make his alignment unfairly obvious
-> Still, he could be taking advantage of that (i.e. drew a mafia card and is lucky he had this excuse ready) and his blatant refusal to answer the question gives me a bad feeling
-> Still again, he could be a civ legitimately standing behind his plan not to answer (after all, he is nothing if not a man of his word.)

And cycling back and forth between those last two steps. Still, I think it would have been prudent of him to point us in the direction of his previous avowal, since it was in a different game and only you made the connection, to ensure that we understood his motive for not answering the question, rather than just saying "are you serious?"

Again, the summation of all that Nutella has put in this post is WIFOM and semantics - the kind that I suspect a Mafia would employ to blow smoke around what they might consider an easy mis-lynch. I mightn’t feel so strongly at this point had I limited interaction with her since I’ve been on this site but she’s been round long enough to know the score.

Again, my actual thought process. Completely organic. And I always waffle. Not intentionally "blowing smoke," just trying to figure out where I stood. I don't want to mislynch you, and after gaining perspective from what Sloonei pointed out I reconsidered my stance because the evidence up until then caused me to believe you were most likely bad. I changed my mind. Happens.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2018 3:38 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2018 3:31 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2018 3:12 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2018 3:01 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2018 2:49 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2018 2:40 pm are you trying to tell me you didn't find it weird, jack?

So for you it's just totally normal and expected for Sloonei to quash lines of questioning on day one? To create an environment where a questioned player doesn't need to explain themselves because it's already being done for them?

Are you questioning me for providing an explanation of Glorfindel's behavior?

The fact that you explained his behavior once was fine, but even after that, you were giving Glorfindel opportunities to not have to explain himself, or his attempted change in meta. Why not let him speak for himself? Why was it important for you to be the one to do it?

I stood up for Glorfindel because I don't like to see people manipulating his meta to get an easy read on him. I feel like it's teetering on the edge of what is or isn't in the spirit of the game. He's stated that he doesn't want this to be something that follows him around in every game, and I think his behavior in this thread indicates his discomfort with it. I wanted us to move away from that particular line of inquiry. I don't wish to speak for him, but I also don't want to see him pursued in a way that I think is unfair or uncomfortable for him.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2018 4:37 pm

Glorfindel wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2018 4:35 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2018 3:38 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2018 3:31 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2018 3:12 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2018 3:01 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2018 2:49 pm

So for you it's just totally normal and expected for Sloonei to quash lines of questioning on day one? To create an environment where a questioned player doesn't need to explain themselves because it's already being done for them?

Are you questioning me for providing an explanation of Glorfindel's behavior?

The fact that you explained his behavior once was fine, but even after that, you were giving Glorfindel opportunities to not have to explain himself, or his attempted change in meta. Why not let him speak for himself? Why was it important for you to be the one to do it?

I stood up for Glorfindel because I don't like to see people manipulating his meta to get an easy read on him. I feel like it's teetering on the edge of what is or isn't in the spirit of the game. He's stated that he doesn't want this to be something that follows him around in every game, and I think his behavior in this thread indicates his discomfort with it. I wanted us to move away from that particular line of inquiry. I don't wish to speak for him, but I also don't want to see him pursued in a way that I think is unfair or uncomfortable for him.

I don’t know what role you’ve drawn this game Master Sloonei but it there would be no better fit for you personally than Frodo Baggins - such a noble soul!

That felt more like a Samwise post, tbh.

got any reads other than the ones you've already expressed? I don't think nutella is a good lynch today.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2018 5:10 pm Reading through nutella's posts.... some of her things early on were sketchy, but later on she basically went through the same exact mental journey toward understanding Glorfindel that I did. Further coming into day 1 and especially with her more recent posts I think I see a civ mindset. GTH civ LA

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2018 9:46 pm

Glorfindel wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2018 9:45 pm Can we please save Master Sloonei from this ridiculous multi-way tie?

Why would I do that?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2018 9:50 pm

Glorfindel wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2018 9:48 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2018 9:46 pm

Glorfindel wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2018 9:45 pm Can we please save Master Sloonei from this ridiculous multi-way tie?

Why would I do that?

Because (in my view) if he’s the Mafia-leaningist player we have playing here, we’re in a LOT of trouble.

Why is that?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 3:25 pm I've asked to be replaced if I survive the night. I'll be leaving for an extended trip in a few days anyway, and I have lots to do in the meantime. I can't commit to a mafia game right now. Sorry folks. Bring this thread to life when I'm gone.

I feel it would be irresponsible of me to leave legacy reads in my position. I've only followed along loosely since the end of Day 1 and don't know what went down at all last night. INH and Glorfindel are town reads, but that's all I can state with any confidence.

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2018 9:42 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2018 2:17 pm INH feel free to keep suspecting me but do you have any suspects other than me and sofi?

please show me where I called Ambray suspicious? I didn't like her Glorf vote, but I accepted her reasoning. Meanwhile, you used it as an excuse to prop her up for an easy lynch, despite also targeting Glorf yourself.

@ Glorfindel, do you still have a negative read on Kyle? What do you think of my case against him?

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 2:46 pm Where is everyone? I need some people to talk to about what's going on in this game. I jus read speedchuck and most of Sloonei (there were a few of sloonei's posts that made my eyes glaze over so I'll have to revisit them later) and I didn't see anything I would consider a mafia tell in either. So, at this point, I have to consider the Mac kill more of a set-up. What do the rest of you think? I will read Glorfindel and Long Con next because they voted for speed and hopefully I can see where my thinking might be wrong.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:32 pm No one was interested in my Epi case. I'd still lynch him.

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:29 pm Glorfindel can you provide some context for your vote? Is it because of LC's case or is there something more that you noticed?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 10:09 pm I'm a civilian. If I lose because Glorfindel and Long Con leave their votes on me, I'm going to be pissed.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2018 2:16 am

Glorfindel wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2018 2:08 am Thank you for hosting, Marmot. Congrats, to the Mafia team. As I said earlier, this game was a fitting end to my Mafia playing career here at The Syndicate. Thanks to all for the game.

If you hadn't gotten a power role, I'd have made you the real Glorfindel.

Thanks so much for playing Glorfindel. It's been a pleasure to host for you, play you, get lynched by you, and make your acquaintance. I remember your first couple games playing here, and I really admire your resilience to come back and give mafia another go. I hope this isn't the end of our interactions together!

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2018 5:46 pm Glorfindel, I wish I had gotten to play with you longer. Thank you so much for protecting me the night you got killed (boo hoo).