The Syndicate

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 10:06 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 10:04 pm Effective immediately, speedchuck has replaced Sloonei.
Townreading Speedchuck.

Easiest townread I've had all day.

I'm going to bed. See you guys tomorrow, where you'll get my undivided attention!

I have not reread anything. I'm voting for Kylemii at the moment.

Before Buffy started, I was watching this game casually, and I didn't like his push toward Glorfindel. Specifically, how he went after people who took the opposite side, and how his reason for going after Glorf was "he didn't answer for himself."

Maybe this was a pity thing on my part, since Glorf clearly didn't want to talk about the subject. But I interpreted Kylemii's posts as him being frustrated, and it felt like scum frustration because of Glorf's truthfulness. If this has already been discussed to death, and I'm opening old wounds in the thread, please point me to a conclusion.

Since that time, from what I can tell in a quick ISO, Kylemii has asked a bunch of questions but not followed up on them much. I don't know where he stands, and that's not comfortable.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2018 1:27 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2018 11:39 amSince that time, from what I can tell in a quick ISO, Kylemii has asked a bunch of questions but not followed up on them much. I don't know where he stands, and that's not comfortable.
I can't handle being in 3 games at once and bring the same level of passion to each. I signed up for what became the third while I was dead in the first and now I'm stuck with 3 games that I can't fully contribute to because I don't have the time or energy. I came back from working in game 2 last night and realized I barely even remember what's happening in this game. Being concerned that you don't know where I stand here is completely fair cus idk either.

Hm... Dunno why, but I feel like I can empathize with this.

I'm feeling pretty good about Nutella from my 30 seconds of perusing her ISO.

Dammit I'm tired.

I was looking at Wilgy and then got sidetracked on Nutella because of a post he made about her. Nevermind.

Wilgy looks like whatever. Same as every other game lately. Probably town.

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2018 10:20 am Apologies for the Day 2 absense.

People I plan on ISO'ing:

Kylemii
Long Con
Epignosis
Mac
Wilgy
Novaseline

Wish me luck.

Why these six?

Mac, are you wanting to lynch me because Sloonei or because I'm me?

[mention]MacDougall[/mention] Why are you panicking and giving legacy reads? We got 23 hours, and less than half the game is voting. I've barely even read the game, and I can think of like, 4 people I'd rather lynch than you right now.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2018 11:09 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2018 11:07 pm @MacDougall Why are you panicking and giving legacy reads? We got 23 hours, and less than half the game is voting. I've barely even read the game, and I can think of like, 4 people I'd rather lynch than you right now.
I'm not panicking I just had a coffee.

K then why give legacies.

Also there are 4 of them

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2018 11:13 pm Also have you ever had Epignosis scum read you when you're a civ? It's not cool.

I don't recall that ever happening. Epi is good at reading me.

Glorfindel wrote: ↑Thu Feb 08, 2018 6:10 pm Other than Kyle, I’m a bit concerned about Chuckles. I was convinced that Master Sloonei was a good guy but I didn’t care for how he left - refusing to give any legacy reads for us to ponder. I’m having trouble comprehending how Town-Sloonei could do that? I’d have thought he’d WANT to give us the benefit of his not inconsiderable skill and knowledge?

I don't see what any of that has to do with me.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:33 pm Wait, no, that speedchuck vote looks tasty! Change my vote to speedchuck.

Any particular reason for that?

I just realized that I'm in a 3-way tie. Heck, what did Sloonei do to you people?

I won't say we got lucky with the Kylemii lynch (since he's not Frodo), but it is what it is. Sucks. Regarding the other two trains, I think Mac is town. I'm town. If anything proved that, it's that the thing was left at a 3-way tie. With it being between 3 people, I don't think scum would have shied away from breaking that tie, because even if they were accused of trying to save someone, there is also a townie they were saving. It's not that bad a situation to be in, IMO. But that's just my thoughts. I want to hear a perspective on this from the Mac voters.

Is there anywhere completely different that people want to look today?

Also, out of 12 players, we only got 9 votes on the board. That makes me sad. Is this becoming the new meta? Because that's just begging for last minute scum shenanigans like Jack and I did in Pirate Mafia, once we get down another mislynch.

speedchuck
Glorfindel
Macdougall
Jackofhearts2005
Epignosis
insertnamehere

DrWilgy
DFaraday
timmer
Long Con
rabbit8

I have some measure of town read out of the top list. I have nothing out of the bottom list.

Ooh, sorry to hear that Timmer. Hope you feel better!

(Out of curiosity, what kind of martial arts were you partaking in?)

I've been gone all day, but my tomorrow afternoon will be completely free. I'll figure things out about Wilgy then.

Though yeah, he usually at least does something.

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 4:24 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 4:20 pm MacDougall was in a three-way tie with Kylemii and speedchuck.

Kylemii
3
23%
Voters: insertnamehere, speedchuck, timmer

Macdougall
3
23%
Voters: Epignosis, rabbit8, Jackofhearts2005

speedchuck
3
23%
Voters: MacDougall, Glorfindel, Long Con
If all three people in the tie are civilians, then mafia didn't have to lift a ringed finger- they would be pleased however this worked out.

DrWilgy didn't vote.

Kylemii was lynched.

Tell me: If you were bad, given the poll above, would you kill MacDougall?

Would you ask the person you are about to murder if she doesn't like you, and tell her that you thought you could be best friend forever?

I believe Wilgy would. It fits into his zany, mad scientist approach.
Thanks for the explanation Epi. That would indeed fit Wilgy's zany approach.

Nightkill analysis is sketchy enough already without basing everything on Wilgy-brand WIFOM.

linki: I tend to cut posts into pieces to include what I think is relevant, so I don't clutter the page. My apologies if I cut something important. :P
What are your reads, LC? Your reason for placing your vote almost seems to be a "well, let's just put things into place and see what Mac does," which doesn't make it seem like you have a preference. If all three lynch options are town (and you somehow know that) it makes sense and doesn't look great.

I have voted for Long Con

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 1:40 pm Cause I POE think you're bad again.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 1:56 pm Stupid POE crap and it isn't even based on my actions whatsoever.

I concur. How does one 'POE' in a game with no scumflips, all-vanilla roles, etc?

Having Eloh as a scumread just because you have stronger townreads on everyone else is not POE, because nobody is truly eliminated. It's more just bad scumhunting that lynches people like Wilgy.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 3:32 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 1:59 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 1:40 pm Cause I POE think you're bad again.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 1:56 pm Stupid POE crap and it isn't even based on my actions whatsoever.
Anyway, this sounds like a wording problem to me. POE is constant.
It is a wording problem, apparently. It's just... there's no way to argue against POE in the way you're using it, and it usually just results in low posters getting lynched. It also means that you don't have to give reasons for the player you're voting for. It's just "I think everyone else is town."

I've used 'POE' to skate by as scum without hunting before.

And I wasn't accusing you of the Wilgy lynch.

Bleh, vote messup

*quote messup bah*

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 3:42 pm speedchuck

So do you think I'm not hunting?

Eloh's free to try to take herself off the suspect list. I'm not going to lynch a high poster who I think is town over a low poster I have no read on in the name of fairness.

Yeah, I guess that's fair. I just usually use 'POE' to refer to certainties. And I have nothing certain in this game. None of the lynches or nightkills have really provided any insight.

I guess we have Glorf though.

My top townreads are Glorfindel, Juliets, and INH. JoH comes after. Then Epi.

I'm going to look at Rabbit8.

Yeah I didn't get much out of that reread. Slightly north of null on Rabbit8.

[mention]rabbit8[/mention] Who is your top pick for scum?

speedchuck
Glorfindel
juliets
insertnamehere
Jackofhearts2005
Epignosis
rabbit8
Elohcin
Long Con

Huh.

I could have sworn there were more players that I didn't trust at all. Rabbit8 retroactively looks worse. Is this... PIE?

POE* I can't type today.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 4:55 pm Tell me about Juliets, Speed.

She's talking, tone-wise I can't pick out a difference from the other game I was playing with her (where Vampires killed her), and when I ISO her, she's stimulating conversation, sounds genuine, and is bringing up salient points.

That's about as good as you can do in a game with no flips.

linki: [mention]Long Con[/mention] It's MYLO after tonight, unless everyone's favorite town Vig gets trigger-happy (which he should IMO. Game's been narrowed down, and he ain't getting another night unless we lynch good)

So please, convince us of your towniness. Because in perpetual MYLO/LYLO (which we are getting into after tonight, barring Vig success), giving up looks more scummy than not.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:32 pm No one was interested in my Epi case. I'd still lynch him.

link it please I am lazy

Piss.

Also good job surviving, I guess. Bought us an extra day.

But piss. That can't be good, whatever it does.

Glorfindel wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:26 am
juliets wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:29 pm Glorfindel can you provide some context for your vote? Is it because of LC's case or is there something more that you noticed?
If Sauron has the One Ring, it’s game over so it hardly matters now does it?

Lore-wise, seems like it.

Game-wise, I don't think Marmot would create a game where a player only has to find the ring to win instantly. Which, by the way, since INH was invincible, had to happen eventually if Sauron didn't die. And Sauron might have other secrets anyway.

If the game was unwinnable, it wouldn't be still going.

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 7:12 am
Glorfindel wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:26 am
juliets wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:29 pm Glorfindel can you provide some context for your vote? Is it because of LC's case or is there something more that you noticed?
If Sauron has the One Ring, it’s game over so it hardly matters now does it?
Glorfindel, it does matter now I think. First you say "If" so we don't know if Sauron has the ring. Second, as others have pointed out, if he does it doesn't end the game cause we're still playing. If you see something definitive about Epi please tell us.

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 7:14 am Oh gee I forgot we know who Sauron is. And I missed a whole bunch of posts before I posted.

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 7:15 am Wait - I'm not awake - speed isn't Sauron. I am confusing myself.

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 7:17 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:46 am I'm unconvinced by LC's Epi case and am considering voting LC today.
I am not convinced by LC's case either but I'm not sure if it's because I just can't read Epi at all or it's a poor case. I do think epic makes a good point that he is different in each game he plays - I find that to be true about him. And for whatever it's worth I have civ vibes about Epi.

I have never been more confused by a sequence of posts in my life. Do you think INH fakeclaimed?

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 4:01 pm I didn't even remember that Sauron was bad.

Have you seen the movies?

GO WATCH THEM

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 5:40 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 4:44 pm Orrrrrr you guys could remember that Marmot likely invoked a No Lynch due to the Day 1 tie.

Which was discussed already. But nice try.
Ah, good point. Do we know if Marmot used this same way of resolving ties in his Mountains game?

I think he did. I think that was a thing.

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 3:34 am
Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:49 pm (so actually no one is on mountain time)
Dang, you caught me in a lie,

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 2:08 am @Marmot any chance you can tell us how ties are handled?
In the event of a tie on Day 1, no one is lynched.

In the event of a tie on any other day, one of the tied players will randomly be chosen and cast into the abyss (lynched).

Here's the link.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 10:09 pm Other people need to come in and vote.

You haven't voted, and we have 24 hours

Doesn't look like we're getting much more out of Rabbit. I'm not against his lynch, he's in my bottom 3 reads this game, and we got three scum to lynch.

Yeahh, not buying the Epi tinfoil theory. I get it, like, everyone's mopey because this game just ain't going well. I replaced in, so it's even worse here. Hard to get motivated. Hard to be confident in this when we have little to go off of and even the hard claims don't help much, or are claimed because of bad thingsTM.

Rabbit feels weird. Like, I can't say for sure whether it's an easy lynch, a bus, or a bulls-eye. Nobody is caring enough for me to gauge the enthusiasm and drive toward the lynch.

I don't think mafia would bus right now with the thread like this, but they wouldn't stick their neck out for rabbit or LC either. This thread apathy might fit those cases.

One or both of them might be scum. I'd be surprised to find two town there.

linki: balls

Bleh. Just realized that the vote ended nearly an hour ago.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:25 pm Townies should not vote at all until we choose a lynch. If all 3 scum come online at the same time, a single townie voting for another single townie means game over.

Does the day instantly end on majority?

I'm pretty sure all we have to worry about is where our votes sit at deadline.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:38 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:14 pm
if a hammer of 4 votes on a player is reached, the day will end immediately.

Oh god.

I'm glad you read things. Thanks.

I think this is the first time I've seen hammer on this site. It was standard where I come from.

I'm willing to believe INH. At this juncture, if the 'real' Frodo is somewhere else in the game, they should counterclaim even at the risk of the ring. Otherwise we lose because INH's gambit townfirms him and goes uncontested.

Getting a strong town vibe from Jack. Honestly, I have been ever since the emojis in early game. I've been scum with Jack, and that doesn't seem like scum jack.

LC, motive/attitude-wise, I could go either way with. Either he's town and frustrated about being suspected all game, or he's scum that has staved off the lynch through passivity and is now letting things go as they may since he has two teammates left and town is stuck in LYLO permanently.
That's why I don't listen to emotive arguments. They're full of WIFOM.
I feel like I see a lack of genuine effort, but hey, I'm there too. Fire Emblem Mafia, Buffy, etc.
Biggest problem I have is that I don't like LC's positions on some of the reads and wagons he's participated in. The JoH pull-off, as of recent, doesn't seem genuine to me.
I should probably do some votal analysis.

Elohcin's one of those players I never know how to read, but she's seemed less uptight this game. I feel like that's an ongoing evolution of her non-alignment-indicative meta now, which is cool. She hasn't really pinged me.

Epi's one ping on me came from his tinfoil on the Frodo claim, but... considering when the claim came in, it could have been a scum claim. I thought about the reasons Frodo might not want to counterclaim, and how close mafia were to winning... I get the tinfoil knee-jerk reaction. The analysis since then has been informative and honest, focused on solving the game.
Epi's scum game is really freaking good, but I still feel pretty good about this iteration.

Juliets pinged me as town early in my replacement, but I can't seem to figure out why. I think that any read of her I had got dashed when she posted that confusing gibberish after INH's claim. I'm still trying to figure out what that might mean for her alignment. Could possibly be half of a scumslip that she overcompensated for and obfuscated.

Speedchuck
INH
JoH
Epi
Eloh
Juliets
LC

I guess. Bottom three for scum.

linki: ok

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 7:14 am Oh gee I forgot we know who Sauron is. And I missed a whole bunch of posts before I posted.

I go back and forth on this post

I just--

Scum would know who Sauron was. Yeah.
But

Ugh.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 5:34 pm *Declares attention to vote off LC*

I don't know what this means

Oh. Intention. Okay. Makes sense.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 5:43 pm Oh. Intention. Okay. Makes sense.

I don't know what this means.

It's all good. I can usually tell what people mean, but you managed a completely different word that other time.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 5:34 pm *Declares intention to vote off LC*

*declares willingness to vote alongside JoH in this endeavor*

Oh, we have until tomorrow. Thank goodness. I'm signing off for the night. Don't vote without me yo.

LC honestly sounds genuine here. I'll probably ISO him tomorrow and actually read all of his posts for once.

Oh crap, I got a new book last night and have been distracted

Half-an-hour-ish left.
Why is there a vote spread!?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 10:49 pm If you're town, vote! (Preferably for LC)

Fine.

Definitely not voting for JoH

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