The Syndicate

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2018 11:43 pm leeeeeets go

do the poll choices mean anything? i haven't seen btvs in many years

You can fix that, you know.

Going to go do some google research on the poll choices.

Looking at the poll (thanks google):

Full Metal Jacket, Xander references the movie (Life taker, heartbreaker) when greeting Riley when he returns to Sunnydale. Also, a Vampire says to Spike who is attacking him, "What's your malfuncion, man" which is also a reference.
House of Wax: Plotline of the original could connect to various buffy story lines, but can't find anything in particular that stands out. And none of it looks remotely good.
New Jack City: There's a "I never liked you anyway" connection, but that's a pretty common line, I think. Spike says it to Buffy.
Wayne's World: Both have a "Noah's Arcade"--it's where the Trio brings a kidnapped Willow and Buffy confronts them. Also, Wayne's World ends with a whole Scooby Doo thing, and the Scooby Gang is, well, the Scooby Gang.

That was not so helpful. Although almost fun. I'm sure I'm missing obvious things. Or, Rock Con are just messing with us with random movie titles. I feel like I'm missing references, though.

linkitis:
@kyle: You don't have to watch it all at on
@LA: Google coupled with a buffy knowledge. But yes, mostly google.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2018 3:11 am

LoRab wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2018 3:01 am@kyle: You don't have to watch it all at on

on what?

after your research, which thing do you think looks best?

Hulu.

And I honestly have no idea. Full Metal Jacket seems to have a few civ-related references. Wayne's World also seems more civ aligned--at least in a game with no Trio. Also, the scooby gang thing. I like both of those more than the other 2. But willing to wait until tomorrow to vote.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2018 3:40 am

LoRab wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2018 3:24 amHulu.

I don't think I mentioned hulu?

LOL. Initially missed my typo of on and not once, so I was answering the on what. I thought you were asking what to watch it on.

Related question: Does anyone else get an annoying tag box follow them for a random player when they are trying to type a post? It keeps happening to me and I can't figure out how to make it stop, and at some point, the tag inevitably gets in there, and I need to delete it.

Tranq wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2018 3:57 pm Full Metal Jacket features Adam Baldwin, who played Marcus Hamilton in Buffy.
According to http://buffy.wikia.com/wiki/Marcus_Hamilton, "Hamilton bears resemblance to Caleb, the evil priest/serial killer in Buffy's final season."
Caleb is one of the Independents.

The other poll options don't have any clear connections, or they may not be actor related. I'll have another look.

Nice find. Although technically he's in Angel, not Buffy, although still the same verse--and he's definitely not a good guy. I can't find a similarly negative potential connection with Wayne's World, so of the 2 that had any positive connections, I think I need to go with Wayn'es World.

I admit, I'm nervous about Wayne's World. Maybe because it's the most positive of the films, and I don't trust Rock Con, lol.

I'll keep thinking about it and am open to changing my vote if anything else comes up.

sig wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2018 10:55 pm

rabbit8 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2018 10:35 pm I'm just curious as to why Spike was chosen to be analyzed, is Sig indy signaling....

I don't really trust Indy's in general, but top priority is mafia/Glory. If we end up lynching an indy it wouldn't be good, but I'd say it wasn't bad either.

But that doesn't answer the question. nor is that precisely what you said--you singled out Spike, you weren't just talking about all of the indies. Here's the post:

sig wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2018 12:42 pm

LoRab wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2018 3:01 am Looking at the poll (thanks google):

Full Metal Jacket, Xander references the movie (Life taker, heartbreaker) when greeting Riley when he returns to Sunnydale. Also, a Vampire says to Spike who is attacking him, "What's your malfuncion, man" which is also a reference.
House of Wax: Plotline of the original could connect to various buffy story lines, but can't find anything in particular that stands out. And none of it looks remotely good.
New Jack City: There's a "I never liked you anyway" connection, but that's a pretty common line, I think. Spike says it to Buffy.
Wayne's World: Both have a "Noah's Arcade"--it's where the Trio brings a kidnapped Willow and Buffy confronts them. Also, Wayne's World ends with a whole Scooby Doo thing, and the Scooby Gang is, well, the Scooby Gang.

That was not so helpful. Although almost fun. I'm sure I'm missing obvious things. Or, Rock Con are just messing with us with random movie titles. I feel like I'm missing references, though.

linkitis:
kyle: You don't have to watch it all at on
LA: Google coupled with a buffy knowledge. But yes, mostly google.

Lorab gets some early civ points for this post.

What does everyone think about the Independents? I'd say Glory is a top priority to kill for all players, followed by the mafia, and maybe Spike. I do think its possible Spike has the type of role where he can also become a civ, it could be something along the lines of he searches for Buffy every night and if he finds her they get BTSC and he becomes a civ, which would be nice. However, we've got no way of knowing if that's the case so I think it would be safer to lynch him.

Thoughts?

I'm also concerned with the focus on Spike. But rather than read it as being Spike, I read it as being mafia and knowing that they have a chance at Spike joining them. "Also become a civ" implies that there's another option....And the spelling out of what the role could be, if you thought Spike could become a civ role--but maybe not so we should lynch them. And why Spike and not the Mayor (who also has secrets)?

Not explaining what you actually meant when called out on singling out Spike doesn't help.

Also, why did you vote Mac?

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 8:50 am
Lorab, just to clarify, are you saying you see a chance sig could be bad and was trying to get us to want to kill Spike or are you saying something else? It seems like if he is mafia he would want Spike alive. I agree that his not explaining what he actually mean when asked doesn't look good, I'm just a little unclear about the first part. I have the same question re: why a vote for Mac.

More that he has more information about Spike than the rest of us. And, by only mentioning Spike, it just felt weird.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 9:25 am
The third thing was Lapluie. Her most recent post,

lapluie wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 12:21 am well isn't this quite exciting

Was the only on topic post I recalled her making, and it was rather vague. I went back to look at her other posts and was pretty surprised to find her as one of the higher posters at this stage. Yesterday was her birthday apparently (Happy Belated so BOTD there, but curious why she finds sig making an unexplained vote on a fairly volatile person the only on topic thing she finds worth mentioning. Fanning the flames, perhaps?

So I am going to throw a pressure vote on LaPluie for now. I will be in and out pretty much all day.

That post pinged me, too.

sig wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 11:24 am I wanted to see how Mac reacted to a vote, honestly it wasn't as fun as I thought it would be.

I was talking about the Indies/Glory as a whole the only reason Spike stuck out was because he could be flipped to mafia. I'm guessing that if he can be recruited to the mafia team he could also be recruited to the civs it even mentions his love for Buffy.

I see no reason to suspect me for anything, if I'm mafia as some are guessing why would I be advertising for spike? The mafia are the ones who search for him not the other way around. I'm just saying he could be a bigger threat then the other independents since we know for a fact he's a traitor role who has two kills. Now I'm not advocating indy hunting, just pointing out the roles aren't inherently prove civ.

Black Rock wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2018 11:24 pm
Drusilla - Her dreams will tell her the role of one player of her choosing each night. If she finds Spike, he will join their team.

Spike - He has two anytime kills. He has a modification chip and can’t kill any humans. If he targets a human his kill will fail. His love for Buffy is undying… *secrets* =

Someone mentioned the mayor, I don't think he can become a civ due to this wording.

Black Rock wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2018 11:24 pm Faith Lehane - Faith will find out who one player is targeting each night. If Faith tracks the Mayor, she will join him in his Win Condition. *secrets*

This implies Faith will stop being a civ and become an independent with the mayor.

This actually makes sense to me. In all honesty, I missed that the vampires could recruit Spike. But still, I'm not sure why single him out, of all the indies. As you say here, the Mayor can take a civ away from the civ numbers. In all fairness, I'm going on show knowledge--but I'm guessing the Mayor is more dangerous than Spike.

I still have an eyeball on you, but I'm less suspicious of you than I was last night.

Keeping an eye on Lapluie for now--the excited sounding comment raised an eyebrow, but I don't know them or how they write, so I'm also not sure. I want to hear more for them, for sure. And sig I'm just keeping an eye on for now.

I'm currently tempted to vote for Loop. I hadn't noticed that they had voted in the first poll and not posted at all. And that they chose House of Wax, of all the choices, is odd. I mean, that doesn't seem like it could possibly be a positive choice. I mean, someone new could not understand that the vote likely means something...but then why vote at all. And if it were a truly random choice, why not come on and say that. It reads much more like a situation where they got their pm, saw where they should vote, went to thread, voted, and then either left or read the posts and didn't konw what to say.

Wait. Loop has never posted in the forum at all.

@Hosts: Can you confirm that you know that Loop exists and knows that they are playing the game?

Voted loop. For now, at least. In case I get distracted with sports ball and commercials and forget to come back to vote. They're either not playing or bad--possibly both. I'm making the (I think logical) asumption that House of Wax is not at all likely the civ choice (like, I can't imagine a scenario where it is the choice that is connected to the scoobs).

sig wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 10:37 pm Also I'm surprised juilets is voting for Jack, he's inactive now yes, but in general he's a strong townie. Lynching him for being inactive seems a tad preemptive.

Wilgy hasn't been as Wilgy like, but that's not a reason to vote for him.

linki: That also seems like a meh reason to vote for someone.

I don't have a strong enough suspicion to outweigh not playing and/or bad.

If Loop were playing, I'd feel differently.

IF they hadn't voted in the night vale pole, for a choice which is not likely civ and also not a likely random choice, I'd feel differently. Hence why them and not Jack (hasn't posted at all, but also hasn't acted at all). To know the game is happening and not posting reads bad to me.

And, again, I'll change my vote if reason. But, um, this is kind of a close game on my tv.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 10:59 pm

sig wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 10:35 pm Juliets Wilgy comment was a bit odd?

linki: Why Mac

I don't like votes on day 1 of players who aren't here. There's nothing more annoying than coming back to find you're lynched already.

LoRab wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 10:44 pm

sig wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 10:37 pm Also I'm surprised juilets is voting for Jack, he's inactive now yes, but in general he's a strong townie. Lynching him for being inactive seems a tad preemptive.

Wilgy hasn't been as Wilgy like, but that's not a reason to vote for him.

linki: That also seems like a meh reason to vote for someone.

I don't have a strong enough suspicion to outweigh not playing and/or bad.

If Loop were playing, I'd feel differently.

IF they hadn't voted in the night vale pole, for a choice which is not likely civ and also not a likely random choice, I'd feel differently. Hence why them and not Jack (hasn't posted at all, but also hasn't acted at all). To know the game is happening and not posting reads bad to me.

And, again, I'll change my vote if reason. But, um, this is kind of a close game on my tv.

So say you get busy or whatever and can't post for a couple days, you're bad?

If there hadn't been a vote, I'd agree with you.

Eye me all you want.

(one for each eye)

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 11:13 pm Faraday, wasn’t Pixar your first game on LP? That game started with a poll exactly like that, where we had to figure out the civvie option.

Was that the game where someone (who was it?) drew the picture with the different options of where to drive? I'm totally laughing remembrering this. But, yes, definitely options in that game.

Not sure how Loop would have known to come and vote without teammates.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 11:34 pm

LoRab wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 11:31 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 11:13 pm Faraday, wasn’t Pixar your first game on LP? That game started with a poll exactly like that, where we had to figure out the civvie option.

Was that the game where someone (who was it?) drew the picture with the different options of where to drive? I'm totally laughing remembrering this. But, yes, definitely options in that game.

It was Tranq iirc.

Was thinking tranq, but then I thought I could have been just confusing Tranq and Typh...or even TH.

timmer wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 11:56 pm Not very super. Wrong team won

Totally agree with you. Living in the middle of the geography of the other team. Alas--at least it was a really well played game and an actual championship level of playing from both teams.

@Hosts: Did the lynch end in a tie?

Also, how are ties determined?

This being a Rock Con game, and the fact that there was nothing in the post that even implied that there was a tie (unless I totally missed a detail in reading), I'm somewhat doubting the lynch result.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2018 12:16 am Why would Dawn make her vote -1? Anticipating having an opinion on who to save but not who to lynch and also anticipating being unconvincing is kinda weak.

Angel as a baddie sucks. He's hella powerful.

Linki: Woo suck.

If Dawn believed a person about to be lynched was a civ and wanted to save them, a -1 vote could be helpful.

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2018 8:24 am Buffy watchers I need your help on the night poll. I don't know what any of these choices mean. I'll google the options to get an idea but that may not give me the full flavor of the selection. Angelus seems popular so far - can anyone tell me why?

Each season of the show had a "big bad" who was the main villain of the season, with a multi-episode story arc.

The Master: Really old and powerful vampire who tries to take over Sunnydale. Actually kills Buffy--she is revived soon after, but because of her brief death, a new slayer is chosen and comes to town. First Kendra (who is killed by Drusilla in a fight), and then Faith. He was somewhat underdeveloped as a character, so wasn't really compelling as a "favorite" big bad.

Angelus: Season 2, Angel becomes Angelus. Angel is a vampire who is cursed with having a soul, which makes him become a good guy. However, part of the curse is that if he ever has a moment of pure happiness, he loses that soul, which makes him evil. Buffy and Angel have sex, which causes him to lose his soul. Ultimately, they figure out a spell to reverse the curse, and he becomes Angel again, but is sucked into a hell dimension for a time immediately after. He eventually returns, and after some healing, is fine and is a good guy again. Because he doesn't want to risk becoming evil again, he moves to LA and starts his own show. As Angelus, he is seriously evil. This is one of the more insteresting story lines of the show, so it makes sense that he'd be people's choice. Because he's a role in the game, though, I wouldn't risk helping him by voting that way.

Mayor: He's the mayor of sunnydale, and is actually a sorcerer who figures out how to transform into a demon. He plans a huge graduation day ascention, which the scooby gang ultimately thwarts by blowing up the school (with him in it). Interesting note that they delayed showing of the episode where this happens for 2 months, because it was originally supposed to air about a month after Columbine. Another episode late that season, where a student brings a gun to school, was also not shown until later. The Mayor was a fun character. Also a role in the game who can potentially recruit a civ.

Adam: Adam was probably my least favorite of the big bads, honestly. I just didn't like his character. He's basically a frankenstein monster created by a morally ambiguous secret agency trying to create super soldiers. Also a role in the game.

Glory: Glory is a narcissistic goddess from a hell dimension who is trapped on earth. She also has a human form that she can shift into (Ben), but Ben and Glory don't share memories. She can drive people insane. She has super obsequious demon minions who cater to her every need. She tries to create a rift that will open up all of the dimensions so she can go home--and create a lot of death and destruction, and needs to use The Key (who was hidden in human form, which created Dawn as Buffy's sister (Dawn didn't exist before this, but when she is brought into existence it is as if she has always been there). Buffy sacrifices her own life in order to save both Dawn and the world and dies at the end of the season. (she is later brought back to life, when the show moved from WB to UPN). She's a great character and it's a good story line. She's super evil, though, and is an evil role in the game--I'm thinking not the best choice.

Dark Willow: The Trio, a group of geeky college students who decide to become super villains, kill Tara. Willow, who has become a powerful witch over the years, gets involved in and addicted to dark magic and ultimately gets consumed in anger and the desire to avenge Tara's death, causing much destruction and turning against her friends. She is ultimately brought back to normal by Xander, and goes to witch rehab.

The First: All the evil in the universe, all rolled into one. It is incorporeal, but can manifest in any person, and uses this to manipulate folks. It figures out a way to destroy the slayer line and ultimately get rid of anything good in the universe/destroy the world as we know it. The Scooby Gang recruit and train a whole pack of potential slayers to be a whole slayer army. The apocalypse is, in the end, thwarted and they are able to get rid of the hell mouth that sunnydale is on. Spike is the one who saves the world. While not in the game, Caleb (the priest turned serial killer who works for her) is.

So, basically, I'm voting The Master because he's the only one not in the game.

Also, I really want to rewatch buffy now.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2018 9:19 am Fixed

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2018 1:07 am Jackofhearts2005 The Willow role does not have any secrets. We literally know the effect Tara's death has on her. It's just that two people will be lynched. She doesn't turn Jackofhearts2005

But didn't that happen in the original game? Willow went bad? I did not play the original game, but I heard about it. Do you think this is a Black Rock game and all the mechanics are public?

It was definitely part of the original game, or supposed to be (yes, also a Rock Con game). I was Willow and I died night 1. LC brought the role back in World Apart. If memory serves, in the original game, it wasn't written as part of the role. When I got the role, I remember asking them if she became evil if Tara died. In World Apart, I believe Dark Willow ended up winning the game. They love the role. I think they'd definitely pay homage to it.


linkitis: I see Tranq also asked about a tie and that it was answered and Tranq started talking about what could have happened. Another possibility is a Seemer type role. I agree that Rock Con usually put things in their story telling that hint at what is happening with the game dynamics.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2018 4:59 pm @LoRab LC already answered that it may or may not have been a tie and we don't get to know

Yeah--I caught that in linkitis, but forgot to go back up to edit it out.

Tranq wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2018 5:11 pm

LoRab wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2018 4:55 pm linkitis: I see Tranq also asked about a tie and that it was answered and Tranq started talking about what could have happened. Another possibility is a Seemer type role. I agree that Rock Con usually put things in their story telling that hint at what is happening with the game dynamics.

A Seemer seems unlikely considering Tara's death triggered a double lynch tomorrow.

Unless it is a seemer who appears as a random civ role. We'll be able to eliminate that possibility after tomorrow's lynch. but, in the meantime, it's possible.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2018 5:19 pm LoRab said she was voting the Master, but didn't actually vote.

Her analysis helped me because I have not seen this in ages. So gonna follow her and vote the Master.

She had a bat mitzvah student come in before she got the chance to actually vote.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2018 6:09 pm I just now realized the trio is the no player option.

I hadn't noticed either! That is full of awesome. They are kind of my favorite.

DFaraday wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2018 10:44 pm I wish Lorab had spoiler tagged all of that. I mean, I'm familiar front and back with the whole series, but for someone who isn't pretty much every plot point is spoiled in there. Also I voted the Mayor because he was just really fun.

I mean, there are plenty of plots that I didn't mention, lol. Also, it ended just under 15 years ago--I think of that as outside of the statute of limitations. And we're in a Buffy game, so spoilers are kind of a given.

That was a lot of death. And some excellent writing.

Great work Riley!

For who spike can kill:

The only non-civ who is definitely human is Caleb. Possibly also the mayor, but less likely he’s be considered human.

It gets a little more complicated with the Civs. Anya is the only one who is definitely a demon. Oz, I am not sure if werewolves count as non-human when they are not changed—he might be human. Tara has some demon in her but spike was not able to harm her in canon (on the off chance of seemer). Dawn is arguably not human as Kyle says. But they say in the show that spoke couldn’t hurt Dawn/-I don’t think that is ever tested, but spike babysits dawn from time to time. But, after Buffy was brought back from the dead, spike is able to hurt her. I’m also not sure if willow is dark willow at the moment, if dark willow would be considered human—eventually yes, but in canon, she loses touch with her humanity (and is only able to reconnect with it with the help of magic). That said, I don’t think willow has changed this game.

So there are more baddie/indie roles that spike could have killed 5 or 6 depending on the mayor, and assuming he didn’t kill him self—knowing he wasn’t Adam). From the civs, he could have killed between 1 and 6 roles—likely on the much lower end of the scale.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:33 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 12:27 am Riley Finn - As part as the Initiative, he is looking to catch all Demons. He is looking for Adam in particular. Riley will choose a player each night, and when he finds a vampire or demon, they will be blocked. If Riley chooses Adam, Adam will be killed.

Wow good shot...

Not really.
We don't need indys dead to win, right?
TBH these indy folk are like a second town factions, and it's weird. I'm more sad that Adam died, because that means he loses for no reason.

Such is life in a BR/LC game?

You and i clearly have different viewpoints on neutral roles. Although, really, imho, it depends on who has the role and how they're going to play it. I don't remember Timmer in a neutral role off hand, so unclear.

And my view of the neutrals in this game is colored by the fact that they are all baddie characters on the show, other than Spike who starts evil and becomes good.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 1:02 pm I'm placing a vote on Juliets until I have a reason not to.

Why Juliets?

DFaraday wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 3:21 pm
It should also be noted that Drusilla can defect from the baddie team, so in theory all but three players can win together.

Wait, what? She can recruit Spike if she checks him. Which is kind of the opposite of defecting, no?

sig wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 2:44 pm That was bloody.

Timmer being killed isn't bad but it isn't great. It all depends with the Indies how ppl play them. How's the mayor not human and aren't wearwolfs technically human?

I think it's safer to assume spike hit a non civ.

Someone (Mac?) Mentioned mafia killing low poster, this is true but jack is also a high speed player so it could be more along that logic then the clearing out inactive.

Mayor was human, but made lots of deals with demons to become impervious to most harm and be immortal. His story arc is all about his becoming a powerful demonic entity. If memory serves, he has begun the transformation when he dies. So, it depends on how the hosts are interpreting him.

And werewolves are human, except when they are wolves. I would guess Oz is human at least when he is not wolfy. And I can't remember if Spike can hurt animals or not.

lapluie wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 6:02 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 6:32 am Wow that's alot of dead people. And Timmer was Adam, presumably, and Marmot was non human. Killing him was kind of mean since he just got back. Wilgy was an odd choice as he had some suspish on him. I just looked at Who Posted, and Jack was not a low poster but I don't recall anything he actually said.

I Am still looking at lapluie, and a few other people got my eye, but I need to think about it. I go back to work today so will be on the quiet side until after 4 eastern.

Hello there, just flipped back. no none of them are participating in this game, however I'm more diligent on the other game right now that I've lost train of thought here, my apologies.

I'm not afraid to voice an opinion but as of right now, I will say we should look more into the loop mislynch voters, it's very duck soup to jump on a wagon especially on day 0 (?) with little to no evidence off a players behaviours for an easy quick lynch. I noticed a few players piled on before due time & im skeptical about that, for now ill be placing vote of DFaraday - I believe he voted for Loop also, his reasoning for vote was moot.

4 votes is hardly a bandwagon. But of the 4 of us who voted for Loop, giving reasons to do so, what about DF's vote was particularly suspicious? Especially since you say here that you're not even certain he voted for Loop, and yet you thought his reasoning was bad? This vote isn't making sense to me. Can you help me understand it better?

lapluie wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 8:35 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 7:51 pm @laplulie i noticed while isoing that there've been a couple people asking you for suspects that you haven't gotten around to answering yet, do you have any?

hey, my name is not paulie although that woulda been cool. I suppose the tags aren't working in favours as I'm not really seeing much notifications following up to me.
right now it's DFaraday, I've explained why in response to svs..I believe

You didn't really explain why. And I questioned you about it after you posted. Are you reading the posts?

lapluie wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 8:55 pm Yes I did, or that's all im gonna touch on it for now.

I asked you specific questions about your post when you explained that his reasons were moot—which you remember despite the fact that you aren’t even certain he voted for loop.

What about his reasons make him particularly suspicious? And he voted a good half hour before deadline—which isn’t a last minute vote (nor was he the last voter). And I still say 4 votes does not a bandwagon make.

Why do you feel hose of us who voted loop are suspicious st all and why df in particular?

Because without reasons, you are suspicious

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 10:09 pm I'm done. I don't have time to defend against arguments that don't exist, and I apparently can't start up discussion toward lynching someone else without getting suspected.

I recognize Nutella came in and gave some reasons that I'm supposedly bad. The tone of the argument she gave has me waffling on my read of her, even if her arguments are full of it. I regret nothing that I have done in this game.
That's my meta. I never get suspected early in the game when I'm scum. Why? Because I know what I'm doing when scum. This is going to keep my meta rock solid, looks like.

SVS has left me no avenue for escape. There is probably scum on my train.

Good luck with the nightkills, because the only thing you're going to get with your lynches at this rate is shot in the foot, over and over again.


I leave with one concession, toward @nutella and @S~V~S. If you somehow back off and let me live this one night, I can townfirm myself to you without claiming.

Strong Townreads: Sig, Kylemii
Light townreads: Macdougall, Lorab, lapluie

I don't think that I believe that you're Willow, which is the only role that would make sense.

DFaraday wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 10:19 pm I made a post that seemed to have gotten lost, but basically I read the roles on Day 1 and today I misremembered how Dru worked.
Lap, I too would like to know why my reason stood out to you from the Loop voters.

I originally was thinking like LA, but with this answer, I'm not buying it. If you didn't know the show, I'd believe this. But you do--and it makes no sense based on story line that Drusilla would stop being a vampire.

In my mind right now, Chuck and DF are the most suspish. Not sure which one to vote for.

[mention]rabbit8[/mention] Eye me all you want.

And yes, a non-poster who was voting, and coming in at the right time to vote, was suspicious enough to me day one to vote there.

In the meantime, I'm voting Chuck for the moment. In part because I don't have a bad read on LA and would rather see someone I suspect be lynched.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:23 pm

LoRab wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:21 pm rabbit8 Eye me all you want.

And yes, a non-poster who was voting, and coming in at the right time to vote, was suspicious enough to me day one to vote there.

In the meantime, I'm voting Chuck for the moment. In part because I don't have a bad read on LA and would rather see someone I suspect be lynched.

Hey, keep in mind that the top 2 people will be lynched, so chuck is already up there and if you don't want me to be lynched too it would be more helpful if you vote for nova at the moment.

That makes more sense, actually. Moving vote now.

And, in thinking about this as I voted, I moved my vote to DF, because I find him suspicious and have no idea about novas. And don't feel right voting for someone I don't suspect over someone I do. But it does make sense to not vote the top vote getter, but someone who might be able to nudge up.

linkitis: I don't twirl all that much any more. Ask anyone who has played the last couple of games I've played--I kind of retired it as a signature move.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2018 12:08 am

lapluie wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2018 12:06 am

rabbit8 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2018 12:04 am There's a baddie in these four at least?

No, the others are dead

What do you mean here?

Huh--one lynch. Interesting. I need to think about that.

[mention]sig[/mention] I've seen spy roles within a mafia--or a player who turns. It isn't likely in a game with only 3 mafia, but it's certainly possible.

DFaraday wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2018 1:04 am

LoRab wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 10:56 pm

DFaraday wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 10:19 pm I made a post that seemed to have gotten lost, but basically I read the roles on Day 1 and today I misremembered how Dru worked.
Lap, I too would like to know why my reason stood out to you from the Loop voters.

I originally was thinking like LA, but with this answer, I'm not buying it. If you didn't know the show, I'd believe this. But you do--and it makes no sense based on story line that Drusilla would stop being a vampire.

It makes no sense that Drusilla would leave the Whirlwind and run off with Spike? Spike and Dru are far more iconic together than Dru, Angelus, and Darla.

It's moot now, but it wasn't so much that I thought you had a treacherous reason for mixing it up, it's that your post read disingenuously to me. And, in my experience, most players lie more when they are bad than when they are good. And your explanation after it read as a baddie making excuses for having lied, not a civ having just made an error. And, as it turns out, you weren't civ.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2018 11:02 am

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2018 6:54 am He is implying that Chuck is a specific role. For ... reasons, I don't buy it. Chuck threw in the towel which from what people think of him is not what I would expect. He was being opportunistic, again not what I would expect. But Kyle sowed enough doubt that I am a paranoid mess.

Generally, people's expectations come from my scum games. Other than this one, name a game I have played town in recently. Name one.

Only Vocaroo comes to mind, in the past half year. And I would have been lynched in that game if someone hadn't townfirmed me.

On the bright side, I'm alive, so I'll get right on that townfirming business. If you're not satisfied, you can lynch me tomorrow. If you are, then mafia can kill me tomorrow. Either way, I'll be out of your hair.

Time to catch up

You were civ in Fiddler.

Curious to see how you plan on "townfirming" yourself.

Also: No night poll?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2018 7:46 pm

Ambray wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2018 6:54 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2018 6:45 pm

Ambray wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2018 6:24 pm LA - I would like to hear from people themselves when something is directed at them.

If there's anything left unaddressed by my response to nutella I would be glad to respond.

I don't know where you responded to LA?

Are you fully vouching for speed?

yeah.

rabbit8 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2018 7:06 pmBecasue him making zero sense means I don't understand his nonsense even though he believes it to be true.....

When Kyle makes a valid point I understand it. His points above are not that.

Look, yesterday was a stressful day. I'd barely been paying attention in this game and then suddenly I'm having to come up with 2 players more suspicious than my biggest town-reads who was about to be lynched. I wasn't able to do that within the timeframe that I had to do mafia stuff that day so instead I ended up trying to convince SVS to reconsider her case and move her vote. In retrospect that was probably the worst idea I've ever had since SVS is the debate equivalent of a freight train.

Wouldn't it be easy to come up with people you suspect more than your biggest town read?!

Also, are you role claiming? Because if you are, not cool. And if you're not, then I don't see a possible way that you are certain about a player.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2018 8:46 pm Gash, the role fishing in this game is amazing. Like the Bassmaster tournament in here.

Quite the opposite, really. I don't think Kyle would break the rules, so I don't think he is role claiming. Also, I think he's mistaken about you, so there's that.

[mention]Kylemii[/mention] I am trying to determine if I trust your read on chuck and if your opinion changes my opinion of him.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2018 9:00 pm

LoRab wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2018 8:52 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2018 8:46 pm Gash, the role fishing in this game is amazing. Like the Bassmaster tournament in here.

Quite the opposite, really. I don't think Kyle would break the rules, so I don't think he is role claiming. Also, I think he's mistaken about you, so there's that.

That isn't how claiming works. So yes, you are role fishing, and breaking the spirit of the rules worse than what you accuse kylemii of, as well as doing a scummish thing

Me no lik

I think we are using terms differently, and much of our disagreement here is semantic. I'm not accusing Kyle of anything, other than not being certain about you.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2018 9:45 pm

LoRab wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2018 9:23 pm@Kylemii I am trying to determine if I trust your read on chuck and if your opinion changes my opinion of him.

at the very least you can trust that i trust in my read

I trust that you trust it. I just don't trust you to trust it.

Tranq: Nice analysis.

Also, the night 1 post reads like recruitment, since Spike is with Angelus. Could be story telling, yes, but also makes sense of the hosts vaguely letting us know what's happening.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 12:03 am

Masterful Ploy

"Oi!" cried Spike from the cave entrance. "Where's the blue-glowy-wall thing gone? I grabbed this bloke 'cause he received blood Buffy donated, and-"

"Too late, Spike!" taunted Angelus. "And it's a moot point anyway, since The Master is no longer taking house calls."

Spike looked down at a terrified Marmot. "Bloody hell. Don't need you any more then, do I?" And with that, he snapped Marmot's neck.

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Of the interactions you name, I'm most concerned with Illy in general. My gut is reading her as bad. It's pure gut and meta, but she doesn't sound like civ illy. Especially the way she talks about the neutrals. It's almost like she is more suspicious of the than the Mafia--Glory as top concern makes sense, but the Mayor is her next top concern? Shouldn't the mafia be more concerning? (I could also see her as either the mayor or glory, for that matter, but I'm thinking vamp)

Some responses (sorry, been non-postable earlier in the day, so a bunch of catch up):

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 08, 2018 2:07 am Maybe someone is scared of his skillz

lapluie wrote: ↑Thu Feb 08, 2018 2:09 am yeah maybe he said something of substances & they didn't like it,

You both realize that a civ killed rabbit, right? These read more like responses to a baddie killing someone. Civies don't generally kill out of fear, or not liking substance.

Tranq wrote: ↑Thu Feb 08, 2018 3:27 am nub rabbit. How do you make a sig=spike connection and then not get the recent rolehints? I think Buffy probably made the right choice here, i wouldn't be surprised if rabbit was bad.

I want to look at a couple of players today. Good to see novaselinenever started posting after receiving a vote. Hope to see more of that today. Also, Illyria and juliets. I feel like i have absolutely no read on these players. Does anyone have civ-vibes on them?

I have a civ vibe of JC. Illy, see above.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Feb 08, 2018 12:32 pm speedchuck
nutella
juliets
Kylemii
sig
Lapluie
MacDougall
novaselinenever
S~V~S
Ambray
Tranq
LoRab
Illyria

In rough order. My townreads, the top half of the list, are more certain than my scumreads.

Eye me all you want. You have me wrong.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 08, 2018 4:35 pm Okay should be sweet now though I fucked up and posted words so I might get recursed again.

You are probably wondering why the videos. Well I wished that Wilgy would get cursed to post animal rights propaganda videos and the wish granted instead made me post cute cat videos.

Why would you make a wish about a dead player spamming the thread with OT-ness? It would seem to me that such could only distract from conversation.

*vote: illy*

The nova voting first for illy thing isn’t sitting right. Nor is his explanation. Anyone remember way back in the day in Simpson’s mafia where sparrow voted for the wrong person (himself maybe) and it became a thing and he was, indeed, bad? It’s possible the hosts, illy, and LA were the only ones around back then, and not sure they played. But it was something that came up as a pattern for a while (it happened in a game soon after that with the same result, don’t remember which). But this feels like that.

It’s against the odds that he (he?) would choose the player with several votes to check to see what the results are, when that player was not the top player nor the one listed for the person actually voted for. So......yeah. Keeping my vote where it is for now but not at all opposed to novas as a second option.

Also, novas, can you clarify why you suspected tranq before he moved his vote to you today?

Novas: help me understand. How do you see tranq as not contributing? Have you read his posts?

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu Feb 08, 2018 7:11 pm

LoRab wrote: ↑Thu Feb 08, 2018 7:00 pm Novas: help me understand. How do you see tranq as not contributing? Have you read his posts?

I have. He has mostly been talking about the mechanics (abilities and night polls), a dead player potentially being bad and tunneling against me.

He wanted to vote D1 against people who didn't vote during the night poll, and then ended up voting Rabbit. He said he was confident with his vote but he didn't give any reason for it.

Much of what you say here simply isn't accurate. Other things don't seem suspicious to me at all. It really looks like you are purely switcherooing.

In a Rock Con game, if we dno't discuss mechanics, then we are probably missing out on a lot. And mechanics are relevant. And, he's discussed players, as well. And what is wrong with speculating about dead players? In a one mafia game (especially with a lot of neutrals), it's important to figure out baddies.

He absolutely gave reasons for suspecting you--his vote post was not the first time he mentioned you. He talked about voting Rabbit in the same post he taked about voting a non-participator (which is fairly common practice), and did so, clearly to me at least, as a throw away vote. Just like you seem averse to voting if you're not pretty sure about your vote, in the mafia culture many of us are used to, throwing out a random vote (or a jokey vote), or voting for a non-participating person, is common. The idea of choosing not to vote is entirely strange to many of us and looks highly suspicious often.

Also, you really don't seem to be reading the thread. Which seems inherently bad to me (since baddies can skip really reading, and have teammates who update them about what's going on).

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Feb 08, 2018 7:29 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 08, 2018 7:16 pm I hadn't seen nova before until recently and he plays like a nub. I guess 2 plus 2 equals 5.

Why are you and Nova so vague? She asked how long he's playing, and he's like, "quite some time", and then this bit of an over reaction.

I don't love lynching people who are not here, I hope Illy shows up.

I hope so, too. I also don't really like lynching people in absentia. It's so hard with 24 hour days, though!

Came back to see if lily had shown up and for the result. Nice. Bye bye baddie. but stick around and play more because it’s good to have you back.

Wooden stake. It’s a classic.

I get that people are wary of me. I’m wary of a bunch of folks too. If you have anything specific I can clarify, let me know. :LoRab: (sorry rabbit, I guess I still twirl sometimes)

I will likely vote novas. I don’t feel good about him after the last lunch and I don’t like how he is doing exactly to tranq what he is suspecting tranq for. There are a couple of people I want to go back and read through. Will do later when on computer not phone.