The Syndicate

Good Morning! Long time no play.

No clue how to vote. I want to look and see if there was any crossover between the casts, they were all in the same general time frame as Buffy, maybe a bit earlier, if you count the House of Wax remake rather than the original. Yay for late poll end time, will have plenty of time after work.

@Nutella, what is suspicious about Googling?

Also while I like the linkback feature (makes it impossible for people to evade questions and pretend they never saw then, yes?) I kind of hate it since I edit ALOT so not 100% sure I am gonna use it.

rabbit8 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2018 11:24 am

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2018 7:13 am Also while I like the linkback feature (makes it impossible for people to evade questions and pretend they never saw then, yes?) I kind of hate it since I edit ALOT so not 100% sure I am gonna use it.

lol, I like it. But you can easily say you never saw it.

SVS is bad TBH.


And Tranq.

No u

Tranq wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2018 3:57 pm Full Metal Jacket features Adam Baldwin, who played Marcus Hamilton in Buffy.
According to http://buffy.wikia.com/wiki/Marcus_Hamilton, "Hamilton bears resemblance to Caleb, the evil priest/serial killer in Buffy's final season."
Caleb is one of the Independents.

The other poll options don't have any clear connections, or they may not be actor related. I'll have another look.

I just walked in from work, and I was hoping someone else had done this so I would not have to lol.

Based on this and the posts following it, WW having the best civvie connection makes sense, so voting Waynes World.

I have not watched Buffy in a looong time, might be time for a rewatch.

Tranq wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2018 3:57 pm Full Metal Jacket features Adam Baldwin, who played Marcus Hamilton in Buffy.
According to http://buffy.wikia.com/wiki/Marcus_Hamilton, "Hamilton bears resemblance to Caleb, the evil priest/serial killer in Buffy's final season."
Caleb is one of the Independents.

The other poll options don't have any clear connections, or they may not be actor related. I'll have another look.

The best I can find is that Adam Baldwin, besides being in Full Metal Jacket, was also in Firefly (as I am sure we all know) with Nathan Fillion (Caleb). But I doubt that is of any use since Firefly is not an option. But that is a weird coincidence, in light of the wiki post you quoted.

I think you two should get married.

On Zero, two things caught my eye, and one today.

First Nutella.

This was one of those thing that make you go "hmmm".

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2018 12:39 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2018 12:29 am

DFaraday wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2018 11:57 pm WHAT. Illy is here???

Bad. Fake. Scum. Lynch it.

this was also my initial reaction. Like, for one thing she's posted multiple times in the sign-up thread, though I can believe that DF hasn't been reading it. But is this reaction from reading the player list as soon as the game is posted? I guess I can believe that as well, but... he could also have just gotten a team role PM with her in it... nah this is too tinfoily never mind. slips like that don't happen.

This almost feels like distancing to me, OR an easy suspicion since Faraday tends to be blendy and he might miss it. As someone who, like Nutella (and unlike Mac) has a long forum history with Faraday, I would not be surprised if he did not return to the sign up thread, or even the forum, for a few days.

Then the acting like LoRab Googling something was somehow bad. THAT feels like kicking up dust around someone who is famous for a lackadaisical reaction to suspicion. " eye me all you want", again a safe suspicion that probably won't get a lot of blowback to point at later in the game.

THEN I went back and looked at the last game we played together where Nutella was bad, the HCR crossover, and her day one was totally different. So I am going to do what she did in her Faraday post and talk myself out of this for now, and give Nutella the BOTD since her HCR day one was so different and because I generally find her suspect. But still eyes on her. I would like to hear Jackohearts thoughts on her, he was her partner in the HCR game.

The second thing I noticed was, of course, sig and his extensive soliloquy about Spike. Followed by his vote.

I agree with Rabbit in that that really did feel like sig wasn't just speculating. I doubt that it was his own role, so perhaps he was advertising for Spike, and although sig generally has a very direct style, I am not sure I see him being that direct. I also don't see him doing that as a civ, so He gets mis-suspected a lot though (or at least he used to; is that still the case?). I look forward to hearing his thoughts on his vote for Mac.

With sig himself being the only person taking any real serious flak in thread, that jump out vote to Mac with no reason given, and no reason apparent, warrants an explanation from sig. Mac can be fairly volatile (from someone with this same quality) so tossing a random vote to him for no reason could lead to Mac taking over the thread. So yeah sig, please tell us why. If I was to vote for sig, his vote for mac would be why moreso than his Spike focus.

The third thing was Lapluie. Her most recent post,

lapluie wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 12:21 am well isn't this quite exciting

Was the only on topic post I recalled her making, and it was rather vague. I went back to look at her other posts and was pretty surprised to find her as one of the higher posters at this stage. Yesterday was her birthday apparently (Happy Belated so BOTD there, but curious why she finds sig making an unexplained vote on a fairly volatile person the only on topic thing she finds worth mentioning. Fanning the flames, perhaps?

So I am going to throw a pressure vote on LaPluie for now. I will be in and out pretty much all day.

I liked this reply.

Other than Mac, who you say you voted for for the reaction, do you have any suspicions?

It was your timing tbh.

Any other thoughts?

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nutella wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 5:02 pm @SVS- as for the DF thing I was just noting that I had an initial reaction to his post and stream-of-consciousnessed myself out of thinking it meant anything. I now believe his sentiment was genuine. And the google thing was... something else. Not really a suspicion. Don't worry about it.

Yeah, like I said I mostly talked myself out of it while I was writing the post. Especially after I reread the HCR Crossover day one.

As of right now, I am pretty OK with my vote where it is.

@lapluie, are you new to Mafia, or just to us?

I am having a few people over tonight, but it will be a mellow group gripping phones, so I should still be around.

So any thoughts yet on this game?

When you say "Lup" are you referring to lapluie, or to Loop? Because I just noticed Loop, they did not make any posts in either this thread or the sign up thread. Was this discussed in the sign up thread? I only really started reading where I signed up.

You voted for someone to see how they reacted, sig.

And if LoRab is right about the options (and knowing these hosts it is very possible) that's a very valid reason for a vote. Making a drive by vote for a dubious poll choice isn't really a great look.

Faraday, wasn’t Pixar your first game on LP? That game started with a poll exactly like that, where we had to figure out the civvie option.

LoRab wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 11:31 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 11:13 pm Faraday, wasn’t Pixar your first game on LP? That game started with a poll exactly like that, where we had to figure out the civvie option.

Was that the game where someone (who was it?) drew the picture with the different options of where to drive? I'm totally laughing remembrering this. But, yes, definitely options in that game.

It was Tranq iirc.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 11:33 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 11:13 pm Faraday, wasn’t Pixar your first game on LP? That game started with a poll exactly like that, where we had to figure out the civvie option.

I can't believe you remember something like that. I went and looked at that game, and I'm amazed at the difference from then to now. Just look at this post and see the multiple players plying the host for information... and the host just hands it out like that! Fun times. You don't get to know what the Night 0 poll means until Black Rock decides it's time. Maybe even endgame.

Faraday and I were teammates that’s why I remember it. I will check out the quote when not on phone.

Loop also voted for Wilgy.

Also Super Bowl Sunday.

As a New Yorker my favorite team in the NY team and my second favorite team is whichever team is playing Boston. So I am at peace.

[quote=nutella post_id=404172 time=1517807235 user_id=262]
Jackofhearts2005 The Willow role does not have any secrets. We literally know the effect Tara's death has on her. It's just that two people will be lynched. She doesn't turn [mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention]

But didn't that happen in the original game? Willow went bad? I did not play the original game, but I heard about it. Do you think this is a Black Rock game and all the mechanics are public?

Fixed

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2018 1:07 am Jackofhearts2005 The Willow role does not have any secrets. We literally know the effect Tara's death has on her. It's just that two people will be lynched. She doesn't turn Jackofhearts2005

But didn't that happen in the original game? Willow went bad? I did not play the original game, but I heard about it. Do you think this is a Black Rock game and all the mechanics are public?

lapluie wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2018 1:14 am What the heck was the reason for lynching loop

Drive by voting is generally considered a baddie tell. Some people hate being baddies, and are almost afraid to post. I played once with a woman who was petrified of posting when she was bad, and she basically gave up before the game even started; she threw in the towel when she got her PM. There might be other reasons for drive bys being bad, but "I don't know what to say" is generally not a civvie thing. I would have liked to have given him another day, but had he continued in that vein, I prolly would have voted for him tomorrow rather than for you again.

Have any thoughts on the game?

ebwop, I think the people who voted for him were pretty clear; did you read their posts explaining why they voted for him?

This:

S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2018 9:30 am

lapluie wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2018 1:14 am What the heck was the reason for lynching loop

Drive by voting is generally considered a baddie tell. Some people hate being baddies, and are almost afraid to post. I played once with a woman who was petrified of posting when she was bad, and she basically gave up before the game even started; she threw in the towel when she got her PM. There might be other reasons for drive bys being bad, but "I don't know what to say" is generally not a civvie thing. I would have liked to have given him another day, but had he continued in that vein, I prolly would have voted for him tomorrow rather than for you again.

Have any thoughts on the game?

And becasue only 11 people voted, and there was barely any discussion.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2018 3:12 pm

Ambray wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2018 12:06 pm I don't think there was anything too suspicious of the Loop voters because there were valid reasons. Tbf, my vote probably would've ended there also.

Tranq wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2018 3:08 pm I don't see anything wrong with the Loop voters, and probably would've switched mine aswell had i been around.

Methinks thou doth protest/mindmeld too much.

No, seriously, are you answering a question here? Because I don't see it being asked, and these posts sound more like excuses and justifications than observations or reads.

What's wrong with people who voted discussing how they would have voted after a mislynch? It would be suspicious had they said they would NOT have voted for him. Like I said, had he not been lynched yesterday, I likely would have voted for Loop tomorrow if he kept up the same behavior.

I defended against it as well. Do you think discussing lynch results is suspicious?

... unless the vote hider is one of the people in the tie.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2018 3:49 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2018 3:43 pm I defended against it as well. Do you think discussing lynch results is suspicious?

You are straw-manning my questions for no reason. Of course I don't think discussing results is suspicious.

But sure, I'll include you. I think having three people jump in and defend people on the loop wagon unprompted is weird. I think the way that Ambray, Tranq, and you worded it is weird. I, myself, do not see the lynch as reason to suspect the Loop voters. But I wouldn't say that unless asked, or if there were people campaigning to lynch the Loop voters. It's a non-statement, a dismissal of an argument that wasn't being made. And it's not hunting.

So I'm opening up a line of dialogue/pressure/suspicion on Tranq and Ambray, and your mother bear instincts have included you.

What prompted you to defend the Loop voters?

First, I am not straw manning anything, that is how you are acting in my opinion. You may think I am mountain/molehilling, but you don't know me very well. Minutiae is my thing

And the defense is because only 11 people voted, they voted for a reasonable reason and discussing results like this is also normal. "Oh, that's too bad, I would have done it too". It is a statement of whether or not you find the people who voted to mislynch a person suspicious. Plus it would appear that all of the people who did vote for Loop were from the same Mafia culture.

Plus, if I am going to be honest, it annoyed me a tad that someone who missed the vote is seeming to be trying to make a something out of a nothing. Totally no offense meant . Just being honest. And yeah, Momma Bear. We did not play much together; I am surprised you are aware of this aspect of my personality.

Linki @ Tranq, not off hand. I seem to recall that tying in their games was bad, but could I be thinking of someone else?

ebwop, Actually, it looks like everyone who VOTED at all was from the same Mafia culture, except sig.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2018 4:05 pm I feel like I'm confronting a hivemind.

"I don't suspect those voters."
"I don't suspect those voters."
"I would have voted loop too."
"I don't suspect those voters."
"I would have voted loop too."
"I would have voted loop too."
"Is that suspicious to you?"
"Why don't you want to discuss things?"
"Would you rather them have said the opposite?"
"Why aren't you satisfied?"


Someone save me!

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LoRab said she was voting the Master, but didn't actually vote.

Her analysis helped me because I have not seen this in ages. So gonna follow her and vote the Master.

Any thoughts about the game lapluie?

Wow that's alot of dead people. And Timmer was Adam, presumably, and Marmot was non human. Killing him was kind of mean since he just got back. Wilgy was an odd choice as he had some suspish on him. I just looked at Who Posted, and Jack was not a low poster but I don't recall anything he actually said.

I Am still looking at lapluie, and a few other people got my eye, but I need to think about it. I go back to work today so will be on the quiet side until after 4 eastern.

One last thought, we need to be super careful due to Calebs role about doing too much vote spreading.

Caleb - Caleb is a human who has been supernaturally endowed with power by the First Evil, whom he serves. Once each night, he can choose one of four abilities: cast a misinformation aura, causing all info roles to give false results; protect himself; give himself -5 votes in the following lynch; use the power of a dead player. Caleb must use each of these abilities across each four-night period.

linki, Yes, given my last post where I say "I am still looking at lapluie", I am still looking at her :P I think her answers sound like someone who is trying to avoid having an opinion, especially ythat answer you quoted. What I said to her about why people might vote for Loop is actually my opinion of lapluie herself to some extent. I wish I had a bad game of hers to reference. She said two people on this site had played with her previously; are either of them playing this game?

But I have not voted for her as of yet becasue I think for the reason ^^ we need to try to come to somewhat of a group consensus on two people if possible. Knowing tonight was a two person lynch it would be a good night for Caleb to use his vote manip.

Aww the didn't work.

Tranq wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 8:34 am I quoted that post of her because i hadn't seen you reply directly to it. Looking through her posts, it looks like she is being more active in another game right now which may explain her non-thoughts in this one.

With Caleb, if he has -5 votes and with 2 players lynched i don't think Caleb can get enough votes to be lynched today.

After 2 days? She is posting, she was one of the top posters on Zero, but she isn't saying anything. I just looked and right now she is the 7th poster, but has not had one real opinion. But what you say is possible, I am not sure I buy it, though. I really would like to see an opinion from her. The same goes for Vaseline.

And re Caleb I am not worried about lynching him, what I mean is this (hypothetical scenario):

We are 15. Let's say Person 1 gets 6 votes, and Person 2 gets 6. Person 3 has 2 and Person 4 has 1. If Caleb is either person 1 or 2, then Person 3 gets lynched. So we need to be careful about vote spreading for that reason, and not make a lot of statement or tangent votes.

ebwop, although I wasn't counting this, which also complicates the issue:

Black Rock the mighty Hostess says: With just over 50 percent of voters, punishments will apply. +1 vote on day 2 to any player who did not vote.

So alot of people already have votes. Ugh.

I am not concerned with Caleb at all, other than the possibility of lynching someone by mistake. Like in my example, we lynch person #3 who isn't someone most of us think is bad. Although Caleb would have to be one of the people with the most votes for it to matter so meh.

That would be feasible re Darla, but we would have to be careful since several people start out today with votes. On phone at work, so someone else will have to determine who has a no vote day one penalty vote.

Ambray wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 2:03 pm SVS - out of curiosity, have you been active on this site in past months? Not necessarily just playing mafia

No. I left in July, and had not been back since, until about a week and a half ago. Someone told me on Facebook that I had gotten a Socky, and I came in to say "Thanks". I started talking to a soooper persuasive friend, it was a BR/LC game, Tranq and rabbit were playing ... so yeah, lol.

My last post was mid July. I might have lurked around a few days past that in the mod forums, but if I did it wasn't very long after that.

Why?

Also home shortly, will catch up.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 1:02 pm I'm placing a vote on Juliets until I have a reason not to.

I think her bad game is wafflier and more tentative than she is here. She doesn't enjoy lying, and you can see it.

You, Mr Chuck, are looking to me like a man in search of a suspect. You came in after the night all ready to be all traditional and stuff and lay the blame for the mislynch on the people who voted for that person. You looked to be trying to link Ambray and Tranqs posts about how they might have voted Loop as well, like they were BTS slips.

Now Juliets, when that did not pan out for you.

Between that and just my feel for you, how you backed down. It just doesn't feel genuine to me.

I have to reread that exchange again, and I want to read a few other people. I really REALLY REALLY want to hear from Lapluie, she HAS to have some thought by now, any thought. Also Vaseline, any thoughts?

@Speedchuck, should you decide Juliets is maybe not the baddie you seek, who might your alternative vote be for?

DFaraday wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 6:22 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 5:59 pm I don't have time to catch up in this game tonight.

@Ambray, where should I vote?

Why are you asking Ambray specifically?

I don't see that you ever answered this, Chuck.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 5:43 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 5:22 pm You came in after the night all ready to be all traditional and stuff and lay the blame for the mislynch on the people who voted for that person.

This is not something that I did, and you should know that.

I kind of think it is exactly what you did. I am going to leave a vote on you for now, the thread is small enough that I can reread some more and change it if I change my mind. I really do think you are forcing suspicions. You don't feel sincere to me.

Linki, thank you! I believe you!

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 5:45 pm 2/3 of the day is gone and I am the only vote on the board.

Not anymore

These are the people who voted yesterday (everyone else starts today with a -1)

Illy, Nutella, Juliets, SVS, Faraday, Kyle, Lorab and Tranq (Loop and Timmer also voted, but they are dead).

edit, oh and sig, he voted too.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 5:55 pm
Show me. Show me where I blamed those people, or mentioned them by name.

I haven't looked at the poll results. I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHO IS WAS THAT LYNCHED... uh... (checks linki) LOOP!

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2018 11:01 am My game is over and MK is close to over, so I'll be able to keep up now.

Should have just voted randomly yeesh.

Can someone TLDR me why Loop was lynched?

You seemed to know yesterday^^

Linki @ lapluie, I made a list of the people who voted yesterday, and I left sig off it in error. Everyone who did not vote starts the day today with 1 vote. Something we should keep in mind.

lapluie wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 5:57 pm I think DFaraday also voted for Loop

I am not talking about Loop, I am talking about the people who voted yesterday, and were thus not penalized.

Do you have any suspects?

lapluie wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 6:02 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 6:32 am Wow that's alot of dead people. And Timmer was Adam, presumably, and Marmot was non human. Killing him was kind of mean since he just got back. Wilgy was an odd choice as he had some suspish on him. I just looked at Who Posted, and Jack was not a low poster but I don't recall anything he actually said.

I Am still looking at lapluie, and a few other people got my eye, but I need to think about it. I go back to work today so will be on the quiet side until after 4 eastern.

Hello there, just flipped back. no none of them are participating in this game, however I'm more diligent on the other game right now that I've lost train of thought here, my apologies.

I'm not afraid to voice an opinion but as of right now, I will say we should look more into the loop mislynch voters, it's very duck soup to jump on a wagon especially on day 0 (?) with little to no evidence off a players behaviours for an easy quick lynch. I noticed a few players piled on before due time & im skeptical about that, for now ill be placing vote of DFaraday - I believe he voted for Loop also, his reasoning for vote was moot.

@DFaraday, you might want to come read this. Otherwise, I have no words here.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 6:04 pm linki: See, that's what going after the loop voters looks like

In a less subtle way, perhaps

lapluie wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 6:08 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 6:01 pm

lapluie wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 5:57 pm I think DFaraday also voted for Loop

I am not talking about Loop, I am talking about the people who voted yesterday, and were thus not penalized.

Do you have any suspects?

Oh humm. .will look further into this, thanks

Everyone who did not vote in the last lynch has been penalized by the hosts, the penalty is starting today with one vote. Read the Lynch post.

Linki [mention]lapluie[/mention], that is a very good question.