The Syndicate

None of these poll options are rabbit8.
Why?

sig wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2018 12:14 pm I think we should pick the worst locations first, so we can get them out of the way.

You think these locations will continue to appear in other polls?

Full Metal Jacket features Adam Baldwin, who played Marcus Hamilton in Buffy.
According to http://buffy.wikia.com/wiki/Marcus_Hamilton, "Hamilton bears resemblance to Caleb, the evil priest/serial killer in Buffy's final season."
Caleb is one of the Independents.

The other poll options don't have any clear connections, or they may not be actor related. I'll have another look.

There are 4 poll options and 4 factions (Scooby Gang, Vampire Team, Independents & Glory). I could see each option representing a faction.

Nothing on House of Wax or New Jack City so far.

I'm voting Wayne's World. LoRab's post points to the movie having a Scooby Gang connection:

LoRab wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2018 3:01 am Wayne's World: Both have a "Noah's Arcade"--it's where the Trio brings a kidnapped Willow and Buffy confronts them. Also, Wayne's World ends with a whole Scooby Doo thing, and the Scooby Gang is, well, the Scooby Gang.

Ambray wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2018 5:16 pm I always like to vote early in these kind've polls

You're the 13th voter

I wonder if the Night Post would hint at certain events happening, such as Spike turning bad or Faith and the Mayor teaming up. LC's posts usually mention things like this.

sig thinks the poll options will keep returning until all of them have been voted out. I don't know why he thinks that, but i guess we'll find out if he's right about that soon enough.

That's what i gathered from his post. Odd thought indeed, but not something i'd give him a vote for.

sig wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2018 1:53 pm

Tranq wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2018 1:19 pm

sig wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2018 12:14 pm I think we should pick the worst locations first, so we can get them out of the way.

You think these locations will continue to appear in other polls?

Yes

The lynch poll ends at 5am my time. As for my vote, i'm considering players that didn't vote in the night poll:

DFaraday
DrWilgy
Illyria
Jackofhearts2005

Or rabbit

Does that happen alot these days? I think i've only seen it once in the last Recruitment game.

@ Hosts: Was the lynch a tie?
Tara's vote counts double, and Loop voted for DrWilgy.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 8:28 pm

Tranq wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 4:36 pm The lynch poll ends at 5am my time. As for my vote, i'm considering players that didn't vote in the night poll:

DFaraday
DrWilgy
Illyria
Jackofhearts2005

Or rabbit

tranq sdid you explain why missing the d0 poll would be symptomatic of mafia behavior, or is it a participation thing, or is it actually an excuse to vote for rabbit

If missing a poll indicates mafia behaviour, half the players in this game would be bad. I'm happy with my rabbit vote
Timezones are a bitch. I don't see anything wrong with the Loop voters, and probably would've switched mine aswell had i been around.

This new night poll - I'm feeling tired and lazy tbh. Not really in the mood to research 7 villains. I'll just go with Dark Willow.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2018 3:12 pm

Ambray wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2018 12:06 pm I don't think there was anything too suspicious of the Loop voters because there were valid reasons. Tbf, my vote probably would've ended there also.

Tranq wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2018 3:08 pm I don't see anything wrong with the Loop voters, and probably would've switched mine aswell had i been around.

Methinks thou doth protest/mindmeld too much.

No, seriously, are you answering a question here? Because I don't see it being asked, and these posts sound more like excuses and justifications than observations or reads.

I didn't see a question asked. Just my thoughts on the lynch after reading the new posts.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2018 3:16 pm

Tranq wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2018 3:08 pm @ Hosts: Was the lynch a tie?

There may have been a tie. Not all factors that could affect the lynch outcome are necessarily public, so I can't answer that.

The story didn't make it sound like there was a tie. If i remember well, LC story posts usually mention this.

If there wasn't one, it could be because DrWilgy is Angelus and several of his votes got deflected.
Or because Darla is one of the Loop voters.
Or because Dawn Summers used a -1 or a +1
Or because of secrets.

Thoughts?

I copied her post?

You mean the 2nd to last post made before i posted? Yes i read it, i agree with it. Those are my thoughts on what happened with the lynch. Not sure why you feel unsatisfied about that.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2018 3:45 pm I think Long Con is smart enough not to give away role abilities through flavor text. Unless he wants to. And clearly, since he refused to answer your question, he doesn't want us to know.

I tried to find examples of LC story posts that mention ties but couldn't find any at first glance. I'm sure they've happened before. Anyone rememnber any?

LoRab wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2018 4:55 pm linkitis: I see Tranq also asked about a tie and that it was answered and Tranq started talking about what could have happened. Another possibility is a Seemer type role. I agree that Rock Con usually put things in their story telling that hint at what is happening with the game dynamics.

A Seemer seems unlikely considering Tara's death triggered a double lynch tomorrow.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 12:34 am

Tranq wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2018 3:36 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2018 3:12 pm

Ambray wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2018 12:06 pm I don't think there was anything too suspicious of the Loop voters because there were valid reasons. Tbf, my vote probably would've ended there also.

Tranq wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2018 3:08 pm I don't see anything wrong with the Loop voters, and probably would've switched mine aswell had i been around.

Methinks thou doth protest/mindmeld too much.

No, seriously, are you answering a question here? Because I don't see it being asked, and these posts sound more like excuses and justifications than observations or reads.

I didn't see a question asked. Just my thoughts on the lynch after reading the new posts.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2018 3:16 pm

Tranq wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2018 3:08 pm @ Hosts: Was the lynch a tie?

There may have been a tie. Not all factors that could affect the lynch outcome are necessarily public, so I can't answer that.

The story didn't make it sound like there was a tie. If i remember well, LC story posts usually mention this.

If there wasn't one, it could be because DrWilgy is Angelus and several of his votes got deflected.
Or because Darla is one of the Loop voters.
Or because Dawn Summers used a -1 or a +1
Or because of secrets.

Thoughts?

Possible explanation for why Glory killed Wilgy? Maybe Glory is playing pro-civ and took a shot at Angelus?

Maybe, but if Angelus gets targeted for an NK, Darla dies instead. Which means unless anything weird happened, DrWilgy (and Marmot) are not Angelus.

[mention]novaselinenever[/mention] I see you posting in another game but not in this one. What do you think?

SVS, are you still looking at lapluie because she doesn't have any thoughts yet? What do you think of her reply to your question?

lapluie wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2018 10:36 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2018 10:28 pm Any thoughts about the game lapluie?

nothing really so drastic or anything of use to say other than I'm just observing everyone & everything that has been coming up, having neutral vibes off so far, as I cannot read players well given that I don't know many of you yet, so yep.

I quoted that post of her because i hadn't seen you reply directly to it. Looking through her posts, it looks like she is being more active in another game right now which may explain her non-thoughts in this one.

With Caleb, if he has -5 votes and with 2 players lynched i don't think Caleb can get enough votes to be lynched today.

Why do we need to be careful about vote spreading though? We may figure out who Caleb is following your example, but Caleb isn't a role we need to lynch.
Wouldn't it be better to actually try and spread the votes, and maybe figure out Darla that way?

Not alot. Just got back from playing pool and i have to vote soon aswell. I skimmed the last page of posts. What do you think?

linki thats [mention]Ambray[/mention]

I'm considering novaselinenever for my vote. I mentioned him earlier today (did the @ alert thing) and got no reply, meanwhile he has been posting in another game a couple of times, so he's been around and i assume he got the @ alert thingy.
I'm at a place where i have a couple of players as civ-sounding who i don't want to vote for but that's about it.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 7:12 pm As of right now Chuck is the lynch leader since he has a penalty vote (both Faraday and Juliets voted yesterday). Plus we lynch two, we need to keep that in mind.

I will be in and out of here most of the night, if anything new comes up of if a consensus comes up with a good plan.

It's past midnight over here, time for me to go. I'll tie it up with voting novaselinenever.
Earlier today i mentioned spreading out the votes as to maybe figure out Darla, but that would almost guarantee a non-Vampire to be lynched. Then again, we'd have to be pretty lucky to lynch 2 baddies at the same time anyway, so maybe it's worth a shot.

nub rabbit. How do you make a sig=spike connection and then not get the recent rolehints? I think Buffy probably made the right choice here, i wouldn't be surprised if rabbit was bad.

I want to look at a couple of players today. Good to see novaselinenever started posting after receiving a vote. Hope to see more of that today. Also, Illyria and juliets. I feel like i have absolutely no read on these players. Does anyone have civ-vibes on them?

What makes you put juliets over someone like Kylemii? I have no read on juliets, i rarely do. Feels like she always plays the same game to me.

linki thats [mention]speedchuck[/mention]

I think there's a decent chance rabbit might've been bad. I went through his posts looking for possible connections. Not alot in there, but here's what i got:

rabbit never once mentioned novaselinenever even though they both started posting more at the same time, discussing different topics but not weighing in on each others.
Timeframe: http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 30#p404830

He suspects LoRab because she doesn't use her twirl smiley anymore. How does rabbit typically play as a baddie? Does he ignore teammates? Does he mention them using light non-suspicions?

Illyria:

rabbit8 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:01 pm

Illyria wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 6:50 pm

DFaraday wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2018 11:57 pm WHAT. Illy is here???

I am! I late and I am sorry. I forgot about this and I feel terrible. Okay, I think I am caught up now.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2018 7:13 am Also while I like the linkback feature (makes it impossible for people to evade questions and pretend they never saw then, yes?) I kind of hate it since I edit ALOT so not 100% sure I am gonna use it.

The what now??

Also, what does it mean that "The lynched will flip. The NK will not" I feel so out of practice right now. Also BOTD??

DFaraday wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 1:17 pm

rabbit8 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2018 9:19 pm Sig, you got spiky hair?

Spike doesn't have spiky hair. You may be thinking of Angel. His hair goes straight up and he's bloody stupid.

Huh. One, he does a few times, and that quote made me LOL for real. I dont remember the Buffy Bot being a thing.. Let me check. Could be part of Spikes secret role tho. He is the one who gets her made?

LoRab wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 5:52 pm
This actually makes sense to me. In all honesty, I missed that the vampires could recruit Spike. But still, I'm not sure why single him out, of all the indies. As you say here, the Mayor can take a civ away from the civ numbers. In all fairness, I'm going on show knowledge--but I'm guessing the Mayor is more dangerous than Spike.

I still have an eyeball on you, but I'm less suspicious of you than I was last night.

Agreed on the Mayor, I am most concerned about Glory, but the Mayor is next on my list.

It is interesting. The Day post made me think of The Master, but he is not listed. The opening post mentioned the Hydra Monster thingie. We saw the multi headed beast in end of S1 with the Master and again in S3 with the Mayor. I dont know if this is helpful or not but those were my thoughts when I read it.

Not gonna lie, I’m only quoting this because in all the years of annoying the fuck out Illyria, I think this first time I got her to fucking laugh. Boom. I’m done with mafia, sorry all my goals have been reached.

That's it. This is the only time he acknowledges her.

sig:

rabbit8 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:01 pm

sig wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 10:35 pm Juliets Wilgy comment was a bit odd?

linki: Why Mac

Damn it, I agree with Sig, here. Still don’t make him a civ. But I’m not eyeing him as much.

sig wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 10:37 pm Also I'm surprised juilets is voting for Jack, he's inactive now yes, but in general he's a strong townie. Lynching him for being inactive seems a tad preemptive.

Wilgy hasn't been as Wilgy like, but that's not a reason to vote for him.

linki: That also seems like a meh reason to vote for someone.

Damn you Sig. Fine, maybe you’re a baddie who knows loops a civ. Or you’re a civ…but IDK.

This is Day 2. Day 1 he went on his Sig=Spike prodding, then after Night 1 he drops it. Possible succesful Spike recruitment? Though i don't think he would be this obvious.

Ambray:

rabbit8 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2018 7:06 pm

Ambray wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2018 1:40 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2018 12:39 am

rabbit8 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2018 12:27 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2018 12:24 am

rabbit8 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2018 12:22 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2018 12:19 am mayor, if you're feeling charitable this may be a good time to do your thing

You trying to save two buddies?

please stop.

speedchuck is a civ. nutella is apparently probably also a civ. I have no idea about dfaraday but this lynch is not going to have an overall good outcome.

Referring to nutella as a civ after the fact.......

I made it clear my vote for Nutella was despite her possibly being a hinted civ role. This.... isn't really new information, rabbit. I didn't vote for Nutella because I thought she was bad, I voted for her because her lynch seemed like it would be the lesser of two bad things.

Wtf this makes zero sense kyle. You think lynching someone you think is civ is the lesser of two evils?
Can you expand on this?

On my phone, so hope this comes out ok.

Thank you. But this will be his response...

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2018 1:12 am

rabbit8 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2018 12:54 am0 sense, this makes.

you not understanding something doesn't make it any less true

Becasue him making zero sense means I don't understand his nonsense even though he believes it to be true.....

When Kyle makes a valid point I understand it. His points above are not that.

Here Ambray comes in and backs up rabbit who was fighting a losing argument. This might be just an Ambray thing (she backup me up earlier in the game, a reason why she's not high on my suspect list), but as far as rabbit connections go it's worth pointing out.

Thoughts? I actually feel like the non-connections might be the ones i'm willing to bet on. As always in BR/LC games i'll have to vote early again so i'd like to hear some opinions in the next couple of hours.

Illyria sounds good. With a couple of votes on novaselinenever in case she's Angelus?

Pretty ok tbh. Less likely to be NK'd

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 08, 2018 5:01 pm Nova watching again.

Looks like he voted Illyria and then changed his vote to me. I'll return the favor!

How come? And would you be willing to change your vote to yourself?

Why did you vote Illyria first and then not name her as one of your suspects?

I'm feeling pretty good about my vote right now.

Illyria isn't even the first name on the poll - that's Ambray. Why not vote for your intended target if you wanted to see the poll results?

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu Feb 08, 2018 5:18 pm His whole push against me since last day phase feels like a scum trying to get an easy target for a vote and save himself from the scrutiny and giving reasons for his vote. He's just going after low poster as an excuse for that. That's at least the vibe I'm getting especially after he left a vote against me and was not seen again during the last day phase. He doesn't seem like he wants to try to out scum or read them.
His vote right now, against me and his whole ' I'm confident about my vote ' just strengthen my opinion of him. He was just waiting for me to come on and as soons as I voted against him, he pulled an OMEGUS.

I'm in Europe - the lynches end at 5am for me. Juliets pointed this out to you yesterday, you even replied to her. I vote early and i leave, as i will have to do again soon-ish. You should know this.
How did i wait for you to come on and vote to do an OMEGUS? I literally suggested to have "a couple of votes on novaselinenever" minutes before you came and voted me. You're doing the things you're accusing me of here, lol.

What do you think about the rabbit posts i went through?

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu Feb 08, 2018 5:49 pm

Tranq wrote: ↑Thu Feb 08, 2018 5:34 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu Feb 08, 2018 5:18 pm His whole push against me since last day phase feels like a scum trying to get an easy target for a vote and save himself from the scrutiny and giving reasons for his vote. He's just going after low poster as an excuse for that. That's at least the vibe I'm getting especially after he left a vote against me and was not seen again during the last day phase. He doesn't seem like he wants to try to out scum or read them.
His vote right now, against me and his whole ' I'm confident about my vote ' just strengthen my opinion of him. He was just waiting for me to come on and as soons as I voted against him, he pulled an OMEGUS.

I'm in Europe - the lynches end at 5am for me. Juliets pointed this out to you yesterday, you even replied to her. I vote early and i leave, as i will have to do again soon-ish. You should know this.
How did i wait for you to come on and vote to do an OMEGUS? I literally suggested to have "a couple of votes on novaselinenever" minutes before you came and voted me. You're doing the things you're accusing me of here, lol.

What do you think about the rabbit posts i went through?

Timezones are irrelevant. What is relevant is you going after me for low-activity and inactivity. You've been tunneling and using this as an excuse to vote and not give proper reads. This is how i see it, a scum trying not to put himself too much out there and vote against people where he might get scrutinized. You've been mentioning me in the majority with your post so that people don't forget that you view me as scum.

You've been suggesting it all day and didn't vote yourself. You agreed with people voting Illarya and sheeped them. However you still mentioned me and didn't vote against me at the time. You waited until I voted you, before voting. You aren't giving your opinion or thoughts on Illarya and just agreed with the majority voting her. Why didn't you vote her up ?

What of your rabbit post ? She's dead and all you did was say that she might have been scum. Why didn't you give these reads while she was still alive ?

Timezones are relevant. All of the main debates happen after midnight. Yesterday i went to sleep with only my vote on you, and woke up to several roleclaims and what looked like a triple tied lynch. Today i woke up and saw a dead, female rabbit.

Look at what happened today and in what order. I wanted discussion on a couple of players i had no reads on - juliets, Illyria and you. Several players have townreads on juliets, so i focus on you and Illyria. Going through rabbit's posts i pointed out his Illyria post and the fact the two of you never interacted. I wanted to hear other players' thoughts on that before voting. A couple are down with voting Illyria which i'm ok with. Then i suggest having you as a backup.

Then here's what i think happened.
You come in shortly after i suggested that (either lucky timing or someone alerted you) and you log into your baddie chatroom and read "looks like it's an Illyria lynch", and quickly vote Illyria and then quickly change it to me before someone notices. Then you don't name Illyria as a suspect in your next post. That's what makes you suspicious. That's why i'm confident in my vote. Whyyyyyyy vote Illyria? I could've maybe bought it had you voted alphabetically first, or went with your intended vote. I don't buy the "i wanted to see the results" excuse. You see the results when you vote for your intented target, and the view results function works just fine. Looks to me you quickly decided "i should vote with the majority" or "i should quickly vote for my own teammate" before changing your mind and trying something else. Then you get frustrated and make this mess with those no u posts, lol.

Anyway, i'm leaving my vote as it is. Time for me to go. I wasn't confident going in today having to vote early again, but i'm feeling pretty ok now.

I've seen staked vampires come back, sunlight only causing minor burns, magic spells eventually get broken and garlic is a myth.
Beheading is the best way to make sure whatever creature dies stays dead. It's the Sam and Dean way.

Looks like Drusilla only had 2 nights to try and recruit Spike. Fairly low odds of that having happened, and i think LC's story posts would've included some sort of hint. Good lynch result.

Why Ambray?

Might as well get my novaselinenever vote out of the way.

Could be better though. Did Ambray save speedchuck? Didn't she vote for him?

@ sig and lapluie: Who would you have voted for?

I think we may be looking at 1 baddie left (odds are a dead vampire in Marmot/rabbit and assuming no Spike recruit), and Glory.
I'm still feeling nova slipped with that quick Illy vote, and no idea on Glory minus a couple of players i think may be certain civ roles.

Not sure how i feel that post. Let's hope nova was bad but i guess Buffy's reaction hints otherwise.

What are everyone's thoughts right now?
sig and lapluie: Who would you have voted for yesterday?
How does MacDougall usually play?

I may have to do some rereading at work today as i'll be afk later tonight.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:16 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 4:19 am Did nutella leave any clues behind that might explain why she was killed? I was expecting speedchuck or myself to be killed.

Yourself? Pray tell why?

Maybe he said that to make it look like he isn't able to kill? I don't know what to think of MacDougall. He pretty much started the Ambray lynch based on nothing except "it's obvious".
lapluie has missed 3 out of 4 votes. Hard to get a read on someone if they don't vote.

I could see myself voting one of these two, maybe.
Where is everyone??? I'll be gone for the next couple of hours, then i have to vote when i get back. We need more discussion.

wtf is happening

Do you think LoRab is Vampire or Glory? lapluie could've been Glory.

Glory is a goddess from an evil dimension. Attempts to detect Glory will result in a false and innocuous reading. Attempts to kill her at night will mostly fail- only the Slayer can kill her. Glory gets one kill every other night, and she must outlive everyone to win.

lapluie wasn't killed at night.

Ok i don't know why Mac is cleared from being a Vamp but it's almost 1am and i don't have time to look it up right now. LoRab sounds fine.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 1:39 am Nut, Kyle and Chuck were a bit too blatant with the role claiming. Us figuring who they were out didn't help an already mounting advantage.

This. We got lucky a couple of times but civ rolehints and putting juliets on top of those rainbow lists out of nowhere helped us alot.

Fun game! Thanks BR/LC. Maybe i'll finally watch Buffy one of these days