The Syndicate

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:32 pm Sloonei

Why did you not want to tell your tribe what you learned at Pikachu? I found that perplexing.

Linki, I don't think they did, at least not together, But you do you, I'll do me.

I'm not sure what you're talking about. I shared every piece of mechanical information I could glean from my peak into your thread with my tribemates, and I answered as many questions about it as I could.

I did not share any personal reads in indvidual players which I had from my peak. I saw no benefit to doing that. The reads would mean nothing to peopke who could not also see the Pikachu thread, and the only players who I thought might have some form of access to it were mafia members whose teammates and BTSC partners were in Pikachu. I had no desire to provide information which I thought could only benefit the bad guys.

Hi I just got home and I see that we've all merged at long last. I'm uh not gonna have time for this tonight, unfortunately. I'll get busy in here tomorrow afternoon.

I did not want to telegraph my reads to baddies. They would know what's going on already, sure. But they wouldn't know what I'm thinking or how a player who just came over to look at the Pikachu thread for a moment felt about certain things. If I shared a read or two from my pikachu experience, the baddies from cerberus could have relayed this information to their partners and turned it to their benefit somehow. And,again, I saw absolutely no benefit to the civilians in sharing those reads. At best it would have given them all grounds for prejudice later on.

I guessed at how the lynches worked because a player who was not in my tribe was revealed as the lynch victim in our thread. 1+1=2.

I am not an even even and I laughed at that question for reasons.

I'm not an evil even either.

I'm going to say the same thing I said in the Pikachu thread: combined, we have lost three baddies to one civilian so far in this game so far. Those are unprecedented numbers in my experience. I expect there to be extra steps to balancing this game and we are certainly not out of the woods by any stretch of the imagination. But succumbing to paranoia when the numbers are what they probably are right now is irresponsible. In Pikachu 2.0 particuly, I was confident we had either 1 or 0 baddies due to us losing 2 of them on our first day phase. I still feel this way.

Be skeptical and don't let things slide, but also be conscious of the game situation.

vote drwilgy for aubergines that i'm sure have already been brought up by others.

Someone from Pikachu 2.0 presumably killed sprityo last night. POE suggests that someone was wilgy.

I basically gave the shortened version of the Wilgy case in my vote. There's not a whole lot to it unless we want to get into the specifics of every read on every player in the game.

If we assume that mafia nightkills are restricted to players in the same tribe as their killers, as was the case for all night actions during the tribal phase, then somebody who was in the Pikachu tribe last night killed sprityo. We can rule out sprityo himself because duh. The reamining five players, myself excluded, happen to be my five strongest town reads in the game at the moment (Kyle, scotty, daisy, epi, dh). That leaves DrWilgy as the lone suspect in a small pool of players from which to choose.

I understand that to simply gloss over 5 critical reads without any explanation isn't entirely satisfying, but I have my reasons and most of them are in one of the two other threads already. I don't care to go into them unless somebody has an argument for lynching any of those players.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 5:16 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 5:11 pm I basically gave the shortened version of the Wilgy case in my vote. There's not a whole lot to it unless we want to get into the specifics of every read on every player in the game.

If we assume that mafia nightkills are restricted to players in the same tribe as their killers, as was the case for all night actions during the tribal phase, then somebody who was in the Pikachu tribe last night killed sprityo. We can rule out sprityo himself because duh. The reamining five players, myself excluded, happen to be my five strongest town reads in the game at the moment (Kyle, scotty, daisy, epi, dh). That leaves DrWilgy as the lone suspect in a small pool of players from which to choose.

I understand that to simply gloss over 5 critical reads without any explanation isn't entirely satisfying, but I have my reasons and most of them are in one of the two other threads already. I don't care to go into them unless somebody has an argument for lynching any of those players.
Can you direct me to where you explain your Scotty reads, or where I might see what you see? Cause, tbh, I don't see it. I get you on Epi, to some extend on Daisy, I have not read enough of Kyle, I will do so. But Scotty, I am not getting it. Re DH, I choose not to have an opinion unless I am sure.

There were points where the Cerberus thread would have been dead in the water if Scotty hadn't been keeping it afloat. It wasn't like the empty fluffy prods for activity that Marmot was providing. Scotty was resonating earnesty to me. I could sense the direction and effort to solve the game in his posts. The only hesitation I have is that we have two scum teams, so even a baddie on Team A is going to make a sincere effort to hunt Team B. But Scotty was supertowning for the whole middle portion of the game and I haven't seen him slow down yet.

Dom wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 10:08 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 5:11 pm I basically gave the shortened version of the Wilgy case in my vote. There's not a whole lot to it unless we want to get into the specifics of every read on every player in the game.

If we assume that mafia nightkills are restricted to players in the same tribe as their killers, as was the case for all night actions during the tribal phase, then somebody who was in the Pikachu tribe last night killed sprityo. We can rule out sprityo himself because duh. The reamining five players, myself excluded, happen to be my five strongest town reads in the game at the moment (Kyle, scotty, daisy, epi, dh). That leaves DrWilgy as the lone suspect in a small pool of players from which to choose.

I understand that to simply gloss over 5 critical reads without any explanation isn't entirely satisfying, but I have my reasons and most of them are in one of the two other threads already. I don't care to go into them unless somebody has an argument for lynching any of those players.
I'm confused by this.
Why do we have any indication of that?

Because the rules say so:

Golden wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2018 6:25 am When using targeted abilities, you may only target people on your tribe.

Dom wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 11:05 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 11:04 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 10:08 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 5:11 pm I basically gave the shortened version of the Wilgy case in my vote. There's not a whole lot to it unless we want to get into the specifics of every read on every player in the game.

If we assume that mafia nightkills are restricted to players in the same tribe as their killers, as was the case for all night actions during the tribal phase, then somebody who was in the Pikachu tribe last night killed sprityo. We can rule out sprityo himself because duh. The reamining five players, myself excluded, happen to be my five strongest town reads in the game at the moment (Kyle, scotty, daisy, epi, dh). That leaves DrWilgy as the lone suspect in a small pool of players from which to choose.

I understand that to simply gloss over 5 critical reads without any explanation isn't entirely satisfying, but I have my reasons and most of them are in one of the two other threads already. I don't care to go into them unless somebody has an argument for lynching any of those players.
I'm confused by this.
Why do we have any indication of that?
Because the rules say so:
Golden wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2018 6:25 am When using targeted abilities, you may only target people on your tribe.

ok i misread the post a tiny bit.

did you eman that there was one baddie team per tribe or???

I'm not sure why this matters with reference to kills.

If a nightkill happened in Pikachu, it would mean that there was a mafia member in Pikachu who carried out that kill. we lost two mafia members from two different teams during our one day together as a tribe. I don't think we were restricted to a single team per tribe.

I'll read this thread at some point today. Yesterday got hijacked by an exciting life event.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 11:55 am Do we care/think there might be independent/SK types?

If there is a serial killer, they're very boring. It wouldn't be a Game of Champions without some form of an indepdent role.

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 3:53 am
Quin wrote: ↑Sun Mar 04, 2018 1:11 am What I'm trying to say is that if anybody on our side sabotaged the challenge, their only real motivation for that would be that there's a higher chance of scum being sent over from the other tribe than ours. So if Sloonei (or a top townie over there) flip bad, we can look back at this event.

This is all assuming they have BTSC to coordinate this, which I don't see why they wouldn't.
Long Con and nutella did the challenge. Both were bad.

Are you an Evil Even, Sloonei?

For anyone who hasn't looked back at the selection process that sent me over to Pikachu after the challenge, it was over in ~10 minutes and I was not present for it. I had no say in who was chosen, it just happened to be me.
I think Marmot also completed one of the puzzles for us.

sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 5:53 pm You guys are jumping on INH like the Dunk Squad, jesus

I can assume then that would have been the reaction if anyone else who wasn’t already voting Wilgy jumped on too?

which team do you think boomslang is on?

sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 5:59 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 5:53 pm
sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 5:53 pm You guys are jumping on INH like the Dunk Squad, jesus

I can assume then that would have been the reaction if anyone else who wasn’t already voting Wilgy jumped on too?
which team do you think boomslang is on?
Are you saying in a hypothetical if he was mafia which team? Because he doesn’t look bad to me based on what he’s just posted

I thought you were sig.

I don't see a vote from you anywhere, sprit. You've only got a few minutes. who's it gonna be?

it totally matters.

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:01 pm Holy hell, that role could have been bad. Did anyone make a vocaroo?

INH

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:12 pm so that would apparently solve one day death. But that doesn’t explain how 2 people day-died on differing tribes. Do we have THREE vig-types our and about? They could all have one-shots like Wilgy did

No it wouldn't. Wilgy marked the first player to respond to the vocaroo, not the vocarooing player themselves. So whoever was first to reply to INH's insane rap would have been marked.

Marmot would have been the player marked for death. But wilgy never pulled the trigger.

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 11:46 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 9:39 pm Ok I'm not caught up yet but I have to say this.

I am thoroughly moved by your belef in our capicity to lynch Speedchuck, and disappointed with myself that I wasn't motivated enough to yell at everyone to do it and instead spent 48 hours hosting Image Mafia or doing RL things or other pointless crap. Which led to a wagon of a grand total of 6 people ignoring host evidence and voting for me instead, and another 4 doing jack shit.

My hearts throbs at seeing all the betrayed hope, of those children who thought we could get it done and yet, instead of receiving the present they expected, found a carcass of a dead marmot under the christmas tree. With coal.

I must do something to vindicate them.

So I promise you, people, that Speedchuck will die on Day 10.

There are no "buts" or "ifs". No tinfoil. I will personally confiscate every tinfoil hat and burn them if necessary. I will place them on the floor in a way that the smoke forms the words "LYNCH SPEEDCHUCK" when they burn.

There is a host post saying he is a civ and another host post confirming the existance of a role that can create host posts with inverted alignment. It's not any more clear cut than that. Of course there may be ways this information can be wrong, just like there may be ways DH actually caught all scum by himself, but we don't count on those when playing mafia. We follow the most logical path and accept the gift given to use by the hosts. Specially in a game where, let's be frank, we are kicking mafia in the asses so hard I can almost smell the tears coming from their BTSC chats. We have spare days to test weird tangents, and we most definitely have spare days to follow occam's razor, and if that fails, follow weird tangents afterwards.

Speedchuck dies. End of story. If there is any new information from the last 10 pages that makes this post hilariously misguided, show it to me now, otherwise the first time you see me on Day 10 will be with a torch, a pitchfork, and whatever tool they use to kill the lizard thing that is on Chuck's avatar.
I'm not voting speedchuck tomorrow. That's the lazy vote. I already explained why waiting to lynch him is the best option. We have limited information and waiting a not-horribly-long amount of time to see if a bona fide alignment revealer flips is the logical course of action. We're not at LYLO. We can afford it. With every flip that isn't that role, the probability of him being scum increases. No need to rush into a lynch now.

I will not be accepting any counterpoints at this time, thank you. Especially because today isn't Day 10 and we don't need to be talking about speedchuck.

If you have scum all sussed out, any conclusion that's not "lynch them immediately" is wrong.

I've been committing the cardinal sin of catching up on this thread in search of the argument that speedchuck is town. SVS has given him some defense, but it's not, by her own admission, extremely strong and I am still left leaning toward him being bad. I don't want to sit and wait for a civilian flipper to flip while we twiddle our thumbs at speedchuck. If signs point to him being bad, we lynch him.

That's not to say his lynch should be a foregone conclusion. He deserves the same chance to have his say as everyone else and I'm gonna listen to all the arguments. But he's the consensus top suspect right now and I don't disagree with that.

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:43 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 5:48 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 3:53 am
Quin wrote: ↑Sun Mar 04, 2018 1:11 am What I'm trying to say is that if anybody on our side sabotaged the challenge, their only real motivation for that would be that there's a higher chance of scum being sent over from the other tribe than ours. So if Sloonei (or a top townie over there) flip bad, we can look back at this event.

This is all assuming they have BTSC to coordinate this, which I don't see why they wouldn't.
Long Con and nutella did the challenge. Both were bad.

Are you an Evil Even, Sloonei?
For anyone who hasn't looked back at the selection process that sent me over to Pikachu after the challenge, it was over in ~10 minutes and I was not present for it. I had no say in who was chosen, it just happened to be me.
I think Marmot also completed one of the puzzles for us.
What was your standing in the thread at the time?

Consensus townie, leader of men, handsome fella.

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:47 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:45 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:43 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 5:48 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 3:53 am
Quin wrote: ↑Sun Mar 04, 2018 1:11 am What I'm trying to say is that if anybody on our side sabotaged the challenge, their only real motivation for that would be that there's a higher chance of scum being sent over from the other tribe than ours. So if Sloonei (or a top townie over there) flip bad, we can look back at this event.

This is all assuming they have BTSC to coordinate this, which I don't see why they wouldn't.
Long Con and nutella did the challenge. Both were bad.

Are you an Evil Even, Sloonei?
For anyone who hasn't looked back at the selection process that sent me over to Pikachu after the challenge, it was over in ~10 minutes and I was not present for it. I had no say in who was chosen, it just happened to be me.
I think Marmot also completed one of the puzzles for us.
What was your standing in the thread at the time?
Consensus townie, leader of men, handsome fella.
Ruh roh.

Do you suspect me?

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 8:00 pm Either way I still come back to questioning the actual benefit of scum throwing the challenge for viewing permissions.

Marmot helped us win it. I also don't see what benefit there'd be in this given that they could presumably already communicate with each other across the threads.

It's a waste of time and energy to be suspicious of me. Don't do it.

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 8:14 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 8:10 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 8:00 pm Either way I still come back to questioning the actual benefit of scum throwing the challenge for viewing permissions.
Marmot helped us win it. I also don't see what benefit there'd be in this given that they could presumably already communicate with each other across the threads.
There is very minimal benefit in it. Especially on our side though we were struggling to figure out what the tribe dynamic was re: lynches and night kills. My question is just about whether scum would put themselves out there to keep us in the dark about that if we were just going to figure it out come merge.

They voted to send me to your thread while I was at work. I came home and thought I'd accidentally been given privileges I should not have had. I think that strategy would run tremendous risk with little reward. If I'm bad and my teammates directly conspired to put the spotlight on me for the sake of hiding information from townies, information which everyone in the game would know I have access to, then that's a very very bad position to put me in. I can assure you with complete certainty that it did not happen.

Here is the post in which speedchuck's allegedly false role/alignment was revealed. An important feature of the discussion today was the speculation about nutella's possible motive for falsely revealing speedchuck's role when she did it. The context of this hypothetical move should be essential to the discussion of whether or not to lynch Speedchuck next, but I've not actually seen anyone dig into it. I was going to do it myself, but that's akin to searching for a needle in a haystack for somebody who was not a member of that tribe when it happened, and I ain't got the patience for that nonsense right now. I implore any of you OG Pikachus to look into it.

I did a brief nutella iso and found that she seemed generally supportive of speedchuck throughout the game, and I get the impression that chuck was widely viewed as civilian. The speculation that she may have wanted to bump a strong civilian player like speedchuck ahead of herself in the lynch queue seems like it would add up. But there could very well be more illuminating details in the thread somewhere. Anyone wanna help look for them? Please?

colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 8:19 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 8:10 pm It's a waste of time and energy to be suspicious of me. Don't do it.

Together at last!
you're bad. You must be bad. Everyone lynch cbob.

that post was in an imperceptible shade of sarcastic orange.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 8:36 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:21 pm Marmot would have been the player marked for death. But wilgy never pulled the trigger.
Were it anybody else, I would have said, "But he would have known not to respond blah blah blah."

Marmot and Wilgy are two guys who like doing bizarre things to amuse themselves.

The allegation is that wilgy is an even while marmot was strexcorp, so they wouldn't be teammates anyway. I forgot about that when I was ponderin'.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 8:48 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 8:44 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 8:36 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:21 pm Marmot would have been the player marked for death. But wilgy never pulled the trigger.
Were it anybody else, I would have said, "But he would have known not to respond blah blah blah."

Marmot and Wilgy are two guys who like doing bizarre things to amuse themselves.
The allegation is that wilgy is an even while marmot was strexcorp, so they wouldn't be teammates anyway. I forgot about that when I was ponderin'.
My thinking is this:

If that was a civilian role, I would be less likely to cap its kill potential given how many lives are in existence. There is a condition that has to be met before a kill can even be carried out.

If that was a mafia role, the mafia already have a regular kill at their disposal, so capping the potential body count at one makes a lot of sense.

so does this make wilgy look worse or better in your eyes?

[mention]nijuukyugou[/mention] has not commented on speedchuck in either thread. I want to know why and what her thoughts are on the chuck.

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Mar 23, 2018 11:04 am So we think Wilgy is compatible with Marmot’s team or naw?

No, wilgy is supposedly a member of the Evil Evens.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Mar 23, 2018 11:13 am Last time I'll ask this question before I start spamming the thread.

Does anyone think it likely that Strexcorp was NOT PRESENT in Pikachu v1, given the consistent kills in Cerberus and the quick kill of Sprit once the tribes shifted? Does ANYONE think that to be likely?

Because if we think that is likely, then we can make some 'likely' inferences from that world.

Don't make me @ everyone individually. I will do it. (Except for Epi, I will not @ him.)

possible. "Likely" is a little strong. The kill focus on Cerberus was being propagated by both teams for the first 6 or 7 nights, and we know at least two Evens were in Pikachu, so I don't see why this would have to be the case.

You got a chance to participate in both threads. Is there anyone who you think would be a likely teammate with any of the dead baddies?

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Mar 23, 2018 12:48 pm If LoRab was indeed the target that Wilgy decided to kill, what do you think prompted her death?

And now I’m doubting that could happen at all, if we’re assuming that counts as a target- Wilgy was on Pikachu at the time of LoRab’s death. Do we think the syntax in his role create a loophole where he can just decide to kill someone already ‘marked’ and therefore it doesn’t count as a ‘target’?

If not, Wilgy did not kill LoRab

This is still not how wilgy's role worked.

I don't think Marmot responds to INH's vocaroo link the way he did if he and wilgy are partners. That effectively renders wilgy's role useless.

I also assume wilgy is an Even rather than strexcorp based on thr Night 8 kill. This hinges on the theory that the Evens are killing on even nights while strex kills on odd nights. We could put more research into that. The theory which has been raised is that sprit has to have been killed by a newcomer from Cerberus after LoRab pressed the button, but I think that theory is baloney. That said, if the assumptions about nightkill mechanisms hold true, then somebody from the Evil Evens needed to have been active in Pikachu on Night 8 to kill sprityo. POE has more or less ruled out everyone but Wilgy (for me, at least) from that grouping. His first role seems like it could easily have been anti-town, not that that's been an entirely reliable metric in this game. I stand by my strong suspicion of him and am inclined to guess that he is an Even with nutella and Long Con.

Also a minor issue: wilgy did not target marmot with his role. He targeted INH and LoRab.
Marmot (probably without knowing) triggered the role.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Mar 23, 2018 1:05 pm Also a minor issue: wilgy did not target marmot with his role. He targeted INH and LoRab.
Marmot (probably without knowing) triggered the role.

In addition: It does not appear that wilgy killed anyone with this ability. I agree with Epi's assessment that its mechanics seem more malevolent than good.

Kyle might be bad. It's something to look into if wilgy flips town. I'd rather lynch wilgy first.

A role that chaotically blows up unsuspecting victims doesn't seem like a typical civilian role. If I were to speculate as to why scumwilgy didn't kill marmot when had the chance, I could say either he missed it (wilgy's presence has been spotty by his own admission), or he didn't want to take out a player who could conceivably be lynched instead of him. Granted, this was early in the game (Day 2 or 3) and before Marmot had begun to gather much suspicion, but... I dunno, maybe. Or he just didn't want to kill marmot because they share a passionate and intense bond.

I still see wilgy as more likely bad than good.

66 is an even number.

I could [VOTE: wilgy] aubergine today, nothing low-key about it.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Fri Mar 23, 2018 9:33 pm
sprityo wrote: ↑Fri Mar 23, 2018 8:40 pm Also i guess that means at least refrig isn’t mafia aligned with whoever killed last night
Wait why?

hey who you gonna vote for today?

I'm not quite fully on board the speedchuck train right now. I've got ny boarding pass and I'm standing on the platform, but I'm hesitating there. Many signs point to him as bad. I take his effort in recent phases with a grain of salt for two reasons: first, he is speedchuck, and second, scum have about as much incentive to hunt as do civilians in a game with multiple scum teams. If the prevailing assumption about nutella flipping him is true then there's no question. But there could be mechanics we don't know of, somethin else could have prompted his flip, and it could be true. I don't know.

But the mystery of some unknown hypothetical isn't really good enough to move him to a town read for me. His lynch feels more or less inevitable and I think we'd be right to do it. But I'm not certain and I don't want to do it carelessly.

Also I feel plenty good about wilgy too. I don't mind lynching him first. I might be more confident about him.

I don't like the case against INH at all. His vote for wilgy yesterday was not really suspect and it would be the dumbest and most unnecessary slip up ever if that's really what it was. It's not.

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Mar 23, 2018 11:31 pm @Sloonei I also believe speed looks very townie atm.

It’s what I would do if I wanted the town to trust me when all signs proverbially pointed to me being bad. I’d want to pick it up a notch and put forth my best effort.

He could be town, and in that case I’m super sorry that things are panning out this way.

If he’s good and we lynch him, the best thing he can do in any situation is leave us a legacy, like my uncle.

speedchuck is one of the best fakers i've ever played with. For what it is worth

colonialbob wrote: ↑Fri Mar 23, 2018 11:09 pm I wouldn't call that a slip up, fwiw.

What exactly is the suspicion against him?

colonialbob wrote: ↑Fri Mar 23, 2018 11:44 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Mar 23, 2018 11:40 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Fri Mar 23, 2018 11:09 pm I wouldn't call that a slip up, fwiw.
What exactly is the suspicion against him?
Distancing. I don't think you misunderstand, I just think calling it a slip is wrong. To me, a slip is what LC did. I'm kinda arguing semantics but to me there's a big difference between "behavior that indicates one may be mafia" and "slip".

Distancing from wilgy?
[mention]insertnamehere[/mention] care to respond to this?

I know yesterday's lynch was just a result of speedchuck not being on the poll, but have we all just forgotten about wilgy? I don't oppose this lynch as it stands, but a little diversity in the conversation wouldn't be a bad thing.

not that i've contributed much since this thread opened.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Mar 24, 2018 11:26 pm Quick everybody vote for Sloonei while he’s not looking

Hey why are we all on wilgy now? This thread seems just be barreling down the path of least resistance right now. I'm not saying that's necessarily a bad thing, but there's not a whole lot of critical discussion going on here. What's more fun and exciting than sound critical discussion?

svs said this would happen

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Mar 25, 2018 7:18 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 25, 2018 7:13 pm svs said this would happen
svs said a lot of things. Are you placing blame here or just lamenting?

Neither. Why would it have to be one of those two things?

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