The Syndicate

Chuck even has me (partially) convinced.

Scotty, I got halfway through my read of Day 5 in Cerberus, and I am convinced you are bad. Why am I wrong?

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:12 pm oh good, this game has finally started.

Took it long enough.

It had already started. I am now 7th highest poster in Cerberus. There was plenty to talk about.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:13 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:05 pm I wouldn't take Epignosis' teammate's word at face value

I am going to flip town when I am lynched.

Remember LC's role? But I still think Nutellas role had nothing to do with you.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:14 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:13 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:05 pm I wouldn't take Epignosis' teammate's word at face value

I am going to flip town when I am lynched.
I'm gonna guess nobody here got nutella's flip, hmmm?

Sure. And her role could not flip someone whose role was on her team. She was on LC's team. And why would they waste their role on making someone look civ? She had no idea she was going to die.

Leaping to that assumption is opportunistic to the max.

And congrats on two baddies, Pikachus!

How did Marmot get lynched? What did he do?

Nope, no crazy pills. If there is a baddie faux flipper, there has to be a real flipper, and Chuck was the subject of much speculation. Flipping a baddie from the other team as good would hurt the Evens, not help them.

Joy, I expect to be Haikued tonight

So what do people think of Scotty?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:29 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:21 pm Nope, no crazy pills. If there is a baddie faux flipper, there has to be a real flipper, and Chuck was the subject of much speculation. Flipping a baddie from the other team as good would hurt the Evens, not help them.

Joy, I expect to be Haikued tonight
So the bad flipper and the good flipper were both on the same tribe?

Maybe. It just doesn't make sense for Nutella to have used her one shot role that way at that time. They would have saved it when it could help them, not someone else. The way that was timed it was either someone who trusted or suspected Chuck and wanted it out in the open once and for all.

I don't buy Nutella using her one role power that way at that time, nope. Nutella is a tight player, she hangs onto her goods, she doesn't have that use it or lose it mentality some do. I do not buy it.

Nope.

What does "Fed him to us like veal" mean?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:41 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:34 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:29 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:21 pm Nope, no crazy pills. If there is a baddie faux flipper, there has to be a real flipper, and Chuck was the subject of much speculation. Flipping a baddie from the other team as good would hurt the Evens, not help them.

Joy, I expect to be Haikued tonight
So the bad flipper and the good flipper were both on the same tribe?
Maybe. It just doesn't make sense for Nutella to have used her one shot role that way at that time. They would have saved it when it could help them, not someone else. The way that was timed it was either someone who trusted or suspected Chuck and wanted it out in the open once and for all.

I don't buy Nutella using her one role power that way at that time, nope. Nutella is a tight player, she hangs onto her goods, she doesn't have that use it or lose it mentality some do. I do not buy it.

Nope.
Seems speculatory to me, especially considering the mountain of evidence that suggests speedchuck is mafia.

Perhaps it is speculatory. But it is what I think could be true.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 6:28 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:34 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:29 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:21 pm Nope, no crazy pills. If there is a baddie faux flipper, there has to be a real flipper, and Chuck was the subject of much speculation. Flipping a baddie from the other team as good would hurt the Evens, not help them.

Joy, I expect to be Haikued tonight
So the bad flipper and the good flipper were both on the same tribe?
Maybe. It just doesn't make sense for Nutella to have used her one shot role that way at that time. They would have saved it when it could help them, not someone else. The way that was timed it was either someone who trusted or suspected Chuck and wanted it out in the open once and for all.

I don't buy Nutella using her one role power that way at that time, nope. Nutella is a tight player, she hangs onto her goods, she doesn't have that use it or lose it mentality some do. I do not buy it.

Nope.
But like when would she use it where it would be more helpful? Because as far as I’m concerned, it’s not the most useful role for mafia, is it? It’s like a reverse cop. But the cop is drunk and tells everyone and once the cop dies everyone knows what a detriment he was to the force.

Why would she, right after he helped save a baddie, and she had no inkling she would die soon, reveal him as a civ, rather than let the thread derail (and it would have) by people trying to lynch him?

It makes no sense. It is too easy of a conclusion to jump to, and if you read Pikachu, you KNOW how hot and heavy I was to lynch Chuck. If her role said she could have done it to a TEAMMATE I would be waving the pichfork harder and heavier than anyone else. But she couldn't, and I see no benefit to her using it on a baddie from another team randomly.

And besides, Nutella hoard her assets, she is not one to just use it or lose it. There is no strategic value for her in faux revealing Chuck unless she knew she was going to die.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 6:37 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 6:34 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 6:28 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:34 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:29 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:21 pm Nope, no crazy pills. If there is a baddie faux flipper, there has to be a real flipper, and Chuck was the subject of much speculation. Flipping a baddie from the other team as good would hurt the Evens, not help them.

Joy, I expect to be Haikued tonight
So the bad flipper and the good flipper were both on the same tribe?
Maybe. It just doesn't make sense for Nutella to have used her one shot role that way at that time. They would have saved it when it could help them, not someone else. The way that was timed it was either someone who trusted or suspected Chuck and wanted it out in the open once and for all.

I don't buy Nutella using her one role power that way at that time, nope. Nutella is a tight player, she hangs onto her goods, she doesn't have that use it or lose it mentality some do. I do not buy it.

Nope.
But like when would she use it where it would be more helpful? Because as far as I’m concerned, it’s not the most useful role for mafia, is it? It’s like a reverse cop. But the cop is drunk and tells everyone and once the cop dies everyone knows what a detriment he was to the force.
Why would she, right after he helped save a baddie, and she had no inkling she would die soon, reveal him as a civ, rather than let the thread derail (and it would have) by people trying to lynch him?

It makes no sense. It is too easy of a conclusion to jump to, and if you read Pikachu, you KNOW how hot and heavy I was to lynch Chuck. If her role said she could have done it to a TEAMMATE I would be waving the pichfork harder and heavier than anyone else. But she couldn't, and I see no benefit to her using it on a baddie from another team randomly.

And besides, Nutella hoard her assets, she is not one to just use it or lose it. There is no strategic value for her in faux revealing Chuck unless she knew she was going to die.
I don’t think you read her role right. She didnt know what the alignment was. If she thought he was good, he would be revealed as bad, and would cause a little bit Moreno of chaos. I Think she did it expecting a different result.

And THAT, sir, is speculation just as much as me thinking there could be a civ true role revealer is speculation. I think she would save it until she had a strategic value for it, and revealing Chuck as bad, as you say, would only have made him be lynched quicker.

I was ready to derail the thread in order to try to lynch Chuck. And I can derail a thread better than most. Baddies love that shit.

Nutella, and her teamie, LC, have been playing with me since 2009, and probably knew that. Stopping that would not be even remotely in their interest. Nutella did not do that, like I said in Cerberus, I would eat a hat if it turns out at endgame that Nutella did that.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 6:37 pm Yeh I'm not gonna read Cerberus Tribe

You will be pleased to hear that when I tried to get Chuck to turn on you, before the Nutella reveal, he wouldn't.

That spoke well for him, imo.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 6:58 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 6:54 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 6:37 pm Yeh I'm not gonna read Cerberus Tribe
You will be pleased to hear that when I tried to get Chuck to turn on you, before the Nutella reveal, he wouldn't.

That spoke well for him, imo.
Who would you vote for as of this moment?

Possibly you, although that is mostly vague gut stuff from my read of you at Cerberus. I absolutely did not feel how, with your original role, you kept trying to say roles sounded bad. Plus you flipped on Marmot a hell of a lot.

Possibly DDL. But with Nutellas reveal, the Evens are getting crowded. And, like Chuck, if bad I call him for the Evens.

Possibly Nijuu. She is blendier than Boomslang, and that is unexpected to me.

Let me ask you a question~ as one of the more active people at Cerberus, can you explain the "WE MUST LYNCH" wagon of sig you had on Day 5? That was the day we lynched LC here, and that wagon sure looked like an effort to save LC to me. How did sig go from no votes 6 hours before the end of the poll to 7 votes? I read most of it, but I tend to relate to things better if someone who was there tells me how it went.

With the exception of INH, most of Cerberus seems to have abandoned sig as a suspect. Color me intrigued.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 6:59 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 6:54 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 6:37 pm Yeh I'm not gonna read Cerberus Tribe
You will be pleased to hear that when I tried to get Chuck to turn on you, before the Nutella reveal, he wouldn't.

That spoke well for him, imo.
You tried to get people to turn on me?

Yeah, I tried to get Chuck to go opportunistic on you, and he wouldn't do it. I figured if he was bad he would throw you to the dogs once your back was turned, but he didn't.

You called him Epignosis' partner or something like that. What did you mean? What happened to make you say that? I spent half of today reading Cerberus for no real reason, as it turns out, and would prefer not to read Pikachu tonight.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:12 pm He and Epignosis are mafia partners

Can you elaborate on that a bit? I am not 100% sure I think Chuck is bad minus LC,but then, I am not sure he isn't either (although I think the Nutella thing is BS to be totally fair) and if you explained it to me like I was 12 I might actually agree with you. I wanted to hang Chuck high just 48-72 short hours ago, maybe less.

Are Marmot and LC and Nutella alive again? Becasue they are on the poll.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 6:56 pm The difference between our speculations is that we know one exists(existed) and one is entirely speculation.

Yes, you know nutella better than I do, but predicting how she plays a role is circumstantial. I, conversely, don’t like hoarding cool powers, but sometimes I do.

I think balance would require that they both exist. As I said multiple times, I was at the front of the "Chuck is Bad" queue, but if he is not LC's teammate, I have problems with that. Either he is LCs teammate, or he is Nutellas target. Not both. I just find the opportunism disturbing. The thread based reasons for him being bad are totally contradicted by him potentially being Nutellas target. The moon comes out in the morning and the Sun shines at the North Pole on New Years day if Chuck is bad but not LCs teammate.

After I took flak for "railroading" LC, this readiness to turn on someone for a reveal in a game where nothing is known or predictable is something I find ill done.

And that's all I have to say about that.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:24 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:15 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:12 pm He and Epignosis are mafia partners
Can you elaborate on that a bit? I am not 100% sure I think Chuck is bad minus LC,but then, I am not sure he isn't either (although I think the Nutella thing is BS to be totally fair) and if you explained it to me like I was 12 I might actually agree with you. I wanted to hang Chuck high just 48-72 short hours ago, maybe less.
I think I made a pretty open and shut case on Chuck and Epi roundabouts Day 2 of Pikachu thread but the long and short is they both dicked around with their votes D1 to vote for Quin. Then of course there's Nutella's flip.

Epignosis seemed mostly focused on discussing/theorizing about the other tribe (whomever happened to be on it at the time) and his failure most recently to engage with similar theorizing relating to the tribe he was actually in pinged me. So. There ya go.

Epi and Chuck are mafia together.

So without the Nutella flip, it's Day One? When even Quin, who was their "victim" on Day One, appears to support Chuckles? But yeah, Epis fixation on the other tribe, I get that. I even asked Niju why she thought Epi might react to her lynch as he did.

But otherwise I did not feel bad about Epi. I will have to reread. But if Chuck is bad, he's bad with LC, not Epi.

And he's not on the poll anyhow (although all the dead people are ha ha), so nuff said about that.

[mention]Sloonei[/mention]

Why did you not want to tell your tribe what you learned at Pikachu? I found that perplexing.

Linki, I don't think they did, at least not together, But you do you, I'll do me.

Wait, DH and Scotty think Epi and Chuck are teammates, and Epi voted for Marmot, who was lynched with only 4 votes? Which team do you think Epi and Chuck are on? Surely not LC's team, since Nutella could not flip a teammates reveal.

So DH and Scotty, you think Epi and Chuck are Marmots teammates?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 8:18 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:27 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 6:56 pm The difference between our speculations is that we know one exists(existed) and one is entirely speculation.

Yes, you know nutella better than I do, but predicting how she plays a role is circumstantial. I, conversely, don’t like hoarding cool powers, but sometimes I do.
I think balance would require that they both exist. As I said multiple times, I was at the front of the "Chuck is Bad" queue, but if he is not LC's teammate, I have problems with that. Either he is LCs teammate, or he is Nutellas target. Not both. I just find the opportunism disturbing. The thread based reasons for him being bad are totally contradicted by him potentially being Nutellas target. The moon comes out in the morning and the Sun shines at the North Pole on New Years day if Chuck is bad but not LCs teammate.

After I took flak for "railroading" LC, this readiness to turn on someone for a reveal in a game where nothing is known or predictable is something I find ill done.

And that's all I have to say about that.
I don't know if this was said, but nutella can't target her own teammate, and LC and nutella were teammates. Do you think nutella was not LC's teammate?

Excuse me if I am misunderstanding your argument.

No, I don't think that. I think either Chuck is LCs teammate OR he is not bad. For Nutella to have flipped him civ, he would have to be on Marmots team, and why the hell would Chuck go out on a limb like that for LC if he was a baddie on the other team?

i think placing him on Marmots team makes zero sense. And if he was on LC's team, then Nutella could not have faux flipped him. You can't have both.

My argument is that if there is a baddie faux role flipper there prolly is a true flipper, too. Becasue a world with Chuck bad on a team opposed to LC makes no sense at all.

And after days of trying to kill Chuck I am tired of trying to NOT kill Chuck on a day he can't even be lynched, lol.

I want to read other people and recatch up to pikachu, but I am going to walk away from the computer for tonight.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 8:41 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 8:13 pm Wait, DH and Scotty think Epi and Chuck are teammates, and Epi voted for Marmot, who was lynched with only 4 votes? Which team do you think Epi and Chuck are on? Surely not LC's team, since Nutella could not flip a teammates reveal.

So DH and Scotty, you think Epi and Chuck are Marmots teammates?
Yeah sure.

You sound so committed, it's impressive.

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 2:26 am I just finished reading the remaining 5 pages after Pikachu joined our old tribe. Holy hell, SVS. You really think I’m bad and holy hell, speed. After the nutella reveal, you really kicked it into high gear. Like, he’s been saying some pretty helpful stuff if you do go back and read the last 3 pages of Bidoof. A large part of me wants to assume you want to remain in the civ limelight, backed by your cheerleaders SVS and Quin, but remain a hamster in a pig pen.

Okie I need to go to bed but will pick up tomorrow.
In the interim, I must say that I’m getting a pretty strong opinions about some people and it was pretty fluid while reading through the old thread.

sig looks good. He seems like he’s spontaneous and playing a totally different game from before. His accusations are a tad misplaced but he seems actively trying to solve the game.

LoRab looks better too. It seems once Sloonei and I left she became gregarious. Sig might be right that she might be indie, but I’d lean slight civ-indie as of now.

Quin and DDL seem like solid chaps. I get annoyed town reads from them.

SVS is solid town, even if she’s totes tunneling down the wrong path with me and speed. She seems to be caught up in my ringleadering of getting as much votes as I can on day 5. Well duh. I’m not gonna disputed that i also tried to get votes across on day 4. And day 3. Day 6 I knew Cbob was getting lynched (though now knowing he didn’t have to) so I figured we would just keep getting picked off if we didn’t get a lynch through. So ya, suspect me for sharing the day LC got lynched. I’ll own it but selfishly, I still would have loved to get one across for my own sanity.

I think she might eat a hat when it comes to speed, unfortunately, and should have a doctor close at hand when he is lynched as mafia.

I forgot INH was playing again, but I’ve said it before- I don’t think he is bad, of the absentees, he’s been the most peeved to receive flak, and that goes for both before he died and after.

Nothing has changed for nijuu. She still a null read.

I can’t say the same for Boomslang. Holy hell. 2 posts that basically amount to “I wanna wish you all good luck, we’re all counting on you”. The initial suspicion of Boom early on revolves around whether or not he would kill nijuu N1. I don’t think he did, nor am I going to go down that WIFOM path again, but now keeping in mind 2 teams, he’s definitely a candidate for Evil Evens. He’s that one balloon at a kids party that has a small hole and has basically lost all its air but the adults just don’t feel like getting around to throwing it out because the other balloons make up for it.

Cbob can also join the shitlist for doing nothing. I didn’t really get a good impression of him when I perused Pikachu nor do I like him now.

Ok goig to bed

First, I said I would eat a hat if he is Mafia not on LCs team. And I do not like hats, I doubt I will be eating one. Chuckles is either civ, or LCs teammate, imo. Nutella could not target a teammate, and Chuck does not make sense as a baddie opposing LC.

I am going to finish reading Day 5 at Cerberus today and then finish rereading Sloonei.

Speaking of which, curious again, Sloonei, how did you figure out the exact way the lynches were working like literally less than 5 minutes after the Day One lynch?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 12:24 am
S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:32 pm Sloonei

Why did you not want to tell your tribe what you learned at Pikachu? I found that perplexing.

Linki, I don't think they did, at least not together, But you do you, I'll do me.
I'm not sure what you're talking about. I shared every piece of mechanical information I could glean from my peak into your thread with my tribemates, and I answered as many questions about it as I could.

I did not share any personal reads in indvidual players which I had from my peak. I saw no benefit to doing that. The reads would mean nothing to peopke who could not also see the Pikachu thread, and the only players who I thought might have some form of access to it were mafia members whose teammates and BTSC partners were in Pikachu. I had no desire to provide information which I thought could only benefit the bad guys.

Hi I just got home and I see that we've all merged at long last. I'm uh not gonna have time for this tonight, unfortunately. I'll get busy in here tomorrow afternoon.

But if the bad guys had BTSC (and LCs comments about the lynches after he was lynched but before the post tells me they did) they already know what was going on. The people without info were the civvies, and you would not give it to them. The baddies on both sides already knew about your readings on Cerberus. Forewarned is forearmed, you were letting your people go into an eventual merge with no knowledge. Not sure what I think of this.

INH made this post, his only post:

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:12 pm oh good, this game has finally started.

Took it long enough.

Yes it finally started!! Where are you? I could feel your frustration in reading your posts in Cerberus (and reading old posts usually gives me little emotional content). The only post you made during the last lynch was a reiteration of your sig case, then you did not vote. You have been following the sig case since the early game. I would expect you to be eager to present it to a wider audience.

[mention]Kylemii[/mention] I don't know if there were precedents from the last year, didn't play every game, and am not about to read them. But, having been one, GOC hosts are not limited to only mechanics used, they use the past years game as inspiration, not gospel.

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 9:56 am
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 9:35 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 2:26 am I just finished reading the remaining 5 pages after Pikachu joined our old tribe. Holy hell, SVS. You really think I’m bad and holy hell, speed. After the nutella reveal, you really kicked it into high gear. Like, he’s been saying some pretty helpful stuff if you do go back and read the last 3 pages of Bidoof. A large part of me wants to assume you want to remain in the civ limelight, backed by your cheerleaders SVS and Quin, but remain a hamster in a pig pen.
I am town.

I don't object to being lynched, but I want to make sense of the game before I do, so that I can be helpful post-mortem. That's all.
I appreciate your willingness to do the right thing.

Marmot also was wholly willing to get himself lynched for the good of the game.

We get it; you suspect Chuck.

But being as Chuck is unlynchable today, who do you propose we lynch instead?

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 10:13 am
S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 10:02 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 9:56 am
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 9:35 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 2:26 am I just finished reading the remaining 5 pages after Pikachu joined our old tribe. Holy hell, SVS. You really think I’m bad and holy hell, speed. After the nutella reveal, you really kicked it into high gear. Like, he’s been saying some pretty helpful stuff if you do go back and read the last 3 pages of Bidoof. A large part of me wants to assume you want to remain in the civ limelight, backed by your cheerleaders SVS and Quin, but remain a hamster in a pig pen.
I am town.

I don't object to being lynched, but I want to make sense of the game before I do, so that I can be helpful post-mortem. That's all.
I appreciate your willingness to do the right thing.

Marmot also was wholly willing to get himself lynched for the good of the game.
We get it; you suspect Chuck.

But being as Chuck is unlynchable today, who do you propose we lynch instead?
One of Wilgy or Boomslang

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 10:14 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 10:14 am Or chuck. I don’t think he deserves a pass either
*cbob lol

So low posters, then?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 12:50 pm There would be little to no benefit in having a civ mirror of nutellas role that revealed legitimate roles publicly. If anything that would benefit nutella's mafia team proportionately more than the civs, and might also benefit the second mafia team as well.

Ergo, Chuck was revealed by Nutella.

I diasagree.

I disagree with your premise, and I doubly disagree that your assumption of it makes it a foregone conclusion as shown in your use of "Ergo". "Ergo" implies a logical proof or succession of thought, and your opinion is not such (neither is mine).

You are never going to agree with me, but I am right. And I hope you admit to it when this is done.

I am gonna be stuck in Snowmageddon traffic for a few hours, but will be home in plenty of time to catch up.

[mention]Scotty[/mention], fair enough. What is the case on Wilgy, in your words, don't need posts. I can look them up later myself. I want you to tell me why you think he's bad.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:23 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 3:01 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 12:50 pm There would be little to no benefit in having a civ mirror of nutellas role that revealed legitimate roles publicly. If anything that would benefit nutella's mafia team proportionately more than the civs, and might also benefit the second mafia team as well.

Ergo, Chuck was revealed by Nutella.
I diasagree.

I disagree with your premise, and I doubly disagree that your assumption of it makes it a foregone conclusion as shown in your use of "Ergo". "Ergo" implies a logical proof or succession of thought, and your opinion is not such (neither is mine).

You are never going to agree with me, but I am right. And I hope you admit to it when this is done.

I am gonna be stuck in Snowmageddon traffic for a few hours, but will be home in plenty of time to catch up.

@ Scotty, fair enough. What is the case on Wilgy, in your words, don't need posts. I can look them up later myself. I want you to tell me why you think he's bad.
Lots of people thought the world was flat at one point.

Sure but I'm not one of them. Are you? Becasue you seem to be the one not taking everything into account and just believing what you want to believe.

What happened to your suspicion of Epi? Dropped that?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:26 pm vote drwilgy for aubergines that i'm sure have already been brought up by others.

Someone from Pikachu 2.0 presumably killed sprityo last night. POE suggests that someone was wilgy.

No actually, they haven't. Could you? I never got caught up to that in Cerberus, and people keep voting for him here with a variation on, "Becasue everyone knows why". I don't can you tell me?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:33 pm What makes you think I've dropped my suspicion of Epignosis?

You haven't mentioned him since last night and you haven't voted for him. If you are so sure about him and Chuck, and you can't vote for Chuck why aren't you voting for Epi? You would think that would help to prove your point on Chuck.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:43 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:40 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:33 pm What makes you think I've dropped my suspicion of Epignosis?
You haven't mentioned him since last night and you haven't voted for him. If you are so sure about him and Chuck, and you can't vote for Chuck why aren't you voting for Epi? You would think that would help to prove your point on Chuck.
I mentioned him as early as last night, and you think I've dropped him as a suspect?

I'm not voting for him because theres no way anyone will fuck with that vote. Nobody will support an Epi vote. Much as I suspect the guy I'm not gonna take a shot at him that isn't a kill shot.

But you do think you can lynch Chuck based on the Nutella flip? But you don't think you can associate the two of them without Chuck being lynched first. Am I correct about that?

colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 3:52 pm I've been around a bit today. I'd also like to emphasize the "doesn't make any sense for me to be nutella's teammate" angle and see what people think about that.

What angle is that?

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 3:40 pm So all discussion about the alignment of his Charlie pace role just disappeared?

I mean inherently I wouldn’t find it a town role, but then again. I have a role that would look god awful if it was my first flip too.

Linki: fair enough but excuses don’t last forever

Yeah, agreed. Can YOU tell me why people are voting for Wilgy, since I seem to be out of that loop?

Linki, I know the next few days are gonna be awesome. I think Chuckles said that himself.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 3:48 pm
sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 3:40 pm So all discussion about the alignment of his Charlie pace role just disappeared?

I mean inherently I wouldn’t find it a town role, but then again. I have a role that would look god awful if it was my first flip too.

Linki: fair enough but excuses don’t last forever
It didn't disappear, but it didn't really progress. Cerberus tribe in general didn't progress, though. Go look at it. It felt like SVS and I were just casually talking half the time.

Don't forget the part where I spent large chunks of time in there by myself recapping while NO ONE AT ALL POSTED or commented or acknowledged it at all. I almost hired Slooneis DJ myself

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 2:37 pm I think it should come as no surprise that I am going to VOTE WILGY

Daisy

I never got to finding all of this in Cerberus, can you explain the Wilgy suspicion for me? I saw your posts where you said it was a meta tone thing, that he's more playful when civ, which is something I can get behind. Was there also thread?

Linki @ Sloonei, thanks.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 5:11 pm I basically gave the shortened version of the Wilgy case in my vote. There's not a whole lot to it unless we want to get into the specifics of every read on every player in the game.

If we assume that mafia nightkills are restricted to players in the same tribe as their killers, as was the case for all night actions during the tribal phase, then somebody who was in the Pikachu tribe last night killed sprityo. We can rule out sprityo himself because duh. The reamining five players, myself excluded, happen to be my five strongest town reads in the game at the moment (Kyle, scotty, daisy, epi, dh). That leaves DrWilgy as the lone suspect in a small pool of players from which to choose.

I understand that to simply gloss over 5 critical reads without any explanation isn't entirely satisfying, but I have my reasons and most of them are in one of the two other threads already. I don't care to go into them unless somebody has an argument for lynching any of those players.

Can you direct me to where you explain your Scotty reads, or where I might see what you see? Cause, tbh, I don't see it. I get you on Epi, to some extend on Daisy, I have not read enough of Kyle, I will do so. But Scotty, I am not getting it. Re DH, I choose not to have an opinion unless I am sure.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 5:25 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:53 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 3:52 pm I've been around a bit today. I'd also like to emphasize the "doesn't make any sense for me to be nutella's teammate" angle and see what people think about that.
What angle is that?
If we were teammates nutella wouldn't have been the one hit by my bomb

That's a good angle. It also clears you of suspicion I had of you for missing the Day 5 vote, and then implying you did not. Everyone has a memory lapse, and Nutella was on the same team as LC.

Do you have a similar one for Marmot?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 5:28 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 5:16 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 5:11 pm I basically gave the shortened version of the Wilgy case in my vote. There's not a whole lot to it unless we want to get into the specifics of every read on every player in the game.

If we assume that mafia nightkills are restricted to players in the same tribe as their killers, as was the case for all night actions during the tribal phase, then somebody who was in the Pikachu tribe last night killed sprityo. We can rule out sprityo himself because duh. The reamining five players, myself excluded, happen to be my five strongest town reads in the game at the moment (Kyle, scotty, daisy, epi, dh). That leaves DrWilgy as the lone suspect in a small pool of players from which to choose.

I understand that to simply gloss over 5 critical reads without any explanation isn't entirely satisfying, but I have my reasons and most of them are in one of the two other threads already. I don't care to go into them unless somebody has an argument for lynching any of those players.
Can you direct me to where you explain your Scotty reads, or where I might see what you see? Cause, tbh, I don't see it. I get you on Epi, to some extend on Daisy, I have not read enough of Kyle, I will do so. But Scotty, I am not getting it. Re DH, I choose not to have an opinion unless I am sure.
There were points where the Cerberus thread would have been dead in the water if Scotty hadn't been keeping it afloat. It wasn't like the empty fluffy prods for activity that Marmot was providing. Scotty was resonating earnesty to me. I could sense the direction and effort to solve the game in his posts. The only hesitation I have is that we have two scum teams, so even a baddie on Team A is going to make a sincere effort to hunt Team B. But Scotty was supertowning for the whole middle portion of the game and I haven't seen him slow down yet.

So it is tone more so than specific content? I can get that.

I tend to ignore tone with Scotty, since he is an actor and a fairly good one, I think. He almost always sounds hearty "hale fellow well met"-ish to me, if that makes sense. I tend to pay attention more to what he says than to how he says it, which is different for me, and somewhat harder, so I pay more attention. But am also probably more likely to read into things I would not read into with others.

Thanks for the clarity, I may spend the time between now and the poll rereading him with this in mind. As of now, he is the person I plan to vote for, but that may change.

Oh good thing I checked, I thought the poll ended TONIGHT! I did not realize the poll was completely restarted and ends tomorrow.

Linki @ Epi, I still think Chuck might be bad with Nutella, and I am OK at Mafia

I also think the reveal in the thread is the one he will flip as, becasue I don't think Nutella targeted him. I think it possible LC targeted him, and LC alone. I was hoping to have more time to explore this possibility (I was in the middle of starting this when Nutella flipped and all opportunistic illogical hell broke loose) but of course that isn't going to happen now. And I could be wrong, and there is no way of knowing it until games end. It's why I asked the hosts if we would be told if a team is eliminated and they said, not surprisingly, no. But I still have major issues getting over how aggressively he defended LC.

Chuck is a charming and lovely adversary and I would Mafia with him all day long. But at this point, I still view him as an adversary. I guess I should be pleased about all of this, lynching someone I think is likely bad is lynching someone who is likely bad. But I think we will learn nothing, and probably create opportunities for his Cerberus teammates to get cred and skate. But I dislike lynching someone for the wrong reason, and I firmly believe this is the wrong reason.

I know I am a Cassandra shouting in the wilderness, but meh. I'm used to it.

Linki @ Daisy, Thank You

Spoiler: show

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 6:02 pm This was my first statement of suspicion against Wilgy.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2018 6:40 pm I'm still feeling Boomslang frankly.

He used sig's comment about being 70% sure he submitted a haiku as basis for a vote. But frankly I don't see it in the same light he does at all. It looks more like a lazy civ than a lying baddie. I mean, if bad it would be to his advantage to just say, "I submitted a haiku" and hopefully avoid a lynch because of it. If he was civ, sure he could go doublecheck to make sure he sent it. I just can't see a baddie just lying in such a weird way. It looks more like sig being sig.

I'm also reading Kyle as Civ for the record, his questions are good and insightful and strike me as sincere.

The other person I am feeling baddie vibes from right now is Wilgy. He looks like Wilgy in Mountain mafia. In that game I felt like, whoa, Wilgy is playing it straight, no big schtick, this is weird. And I said so in thread and I got poo pooed. Oh I don't want to vote for Wilgy because he's contributing without a big schtick. So I dismissed it and thought that maybe I was just off base. Guess who was bad? Wilgy. And I am seeing Wilgy playing a straight game again. I could easily put a vote there today too. In fact I think I will VOTE DrWilgy aubergine.
This is my case laid out all nice and neat...

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 05, 2018 3:34 am To everyone saying that Wilgy is playing like his normal self, please tell me you don't see a difference between his civ game and his mafia game...

Mountain Mafia, where he was bad: Posts

Pirates Mafia, where he was civ: Posts

Seinfeld Mafia, where he was bad: Posts, as Tim Whatley,
which has been renamed Juliet since

Great Gatsby where he was an 3P who could win with anyone: Posts

Pokemon Mafia where he is bad: Posts

Welcome to Night Vale where he was civ: Posts

Fiddler on the Roof where he was civ: Posts

I think if you look at these games you will see that bad Wilgy plays more straight laced. Good Wilgy uses gimmicks. Good Wilgy doesn't play like he cares, he seems to mostly just be having a good time. Bad Wilgy puts a lot more effort into looking good than Good Wilgy. Do not be fooled by him. I don't believe he is good. He started throwing in more jokes once this meta started to get brought up and I'm not buying this!

@ Daisy

I missed this long post with links in my read, or if I saw it I just got the general gist of it. Nice!

Did he ever address this in a real way? Now that I have a whole nother day to read, I can and will look it up myself (scary spelling moment of the day [mention]Epignosis[/mention], my autocorrect has NOT highlighted "nother", lol). But i like hearing peoples impressions as well, if possible and time allows.

Also, do you have reads on anyone else from Cerberus? Nothing detailed, just top of the head.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 6:16 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 6:08 pm Oh good thing I checked, I thought the poll ended TONIGHT! I did not realize the poll was completely restarted and ends tomorrow.

Linki @ Epi, I still think Chuck might be bad with Nutella, and I am OK at Mafia I also think the reveal in the thread is the one he will flip as, becasue I don't think Nutella targeted him. I think it possible LC targeted him, and LC alone. I was hoping to have more time to explore this possibility (I was in the middle of starting this when Nutella flipped and all opportunistic illogical hell broke loose) but of course that isn't going to happen now. And I could be wrong, and there is no way of knowing it until games end. It's why I asked the hosts if we would be told if a team is eliminated and they said, not surprisingly, no. But I still have major issues getting over how aggressively he defended LC.

Chuck is a charming and lovely adversary and I would Mafia with him all day long. But at this point, I still view him as an adversary. I guess I should be pleased about all of this, lynching someone I think is likely bad is lynching someone who is likely bad. But I think we will learn nothing, and probably create opportunities for his Cerberus teammates to get cred and skate. But I dislike lynching someone for the wrong reason, and I firmly believe this is the wrong reason.

I know I am a Cassandra shouting in the wilderness, but meh. I'm used to it.

Linki @ Daisy, Thank You
On the one hand, I'm charming and lovely. I'm glad you aren't one of those people that are like "I'm not signing up for a game with speedchuck again!"
On the other, I thought we had gotten past this.

Don't you ruin my flip. Roles do exactly as they say. I learned that in Buffy mafia. Long Con's role could not have revealed me in thread.

We agree to disagree; I don't see how I would get past how hard you went to bat for LC, especially after seeing his flip

See, when I got my role, my first thought was to get rid of it as soon as possible. So I suggested the round robin and acted generally baddie the first part of Day 1. Then I thought to verify with the host if the effects of my role died with me, or if the people I poisoned stayed poisoned after I died. And I was told they would still be poisoned after I died. So I changed my play, and if you reread my Day One you can probably pinpoint where I started to superciv.

If the effects of my role could last after I died, the effects of LCs role could, too. So no way of proving it until endgame. I think LC made you look civ. Some hapless civvie revealed the role you would flip as, which helped you, and Nutellas death threw a wrench in everyones works. I had planned to poke you and prod you and watch you and wait for your mistake, but that won't happen now.

It's an improbably tale, but it's what I believe

*howls in the wilderness*

linki @ Epi, do I not speak English? His Cerberus teammates: The member(s) of the even team that were originally on Cerberus. And see above^^ I think that power could have lasted after LCs death, if he targeted them before he died. It's a stretch, but it's my stretch. And it is tenuous, which is why I was not aggressive about it. I wanted to watch him. Then the Opportunistic Bowl happened.

linki @ Scotty, will read in a sec.

Linki @ Scotty part deux~ what would he learn if he flips the role he was revealed in thread as being?

*what would WE learn

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 6:22 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 3:01 pm fair enough. What is the case on Wilgy, in your words, don't need posts. I can look them up later myself. I want you to tell me why you think he's bad.
I must preface that lack of engagement and commitment with the game has given me hives.

Which is also my flaw, I think.

Like if it weren’t for the nutell reveal, speed would be a strong civ read. He’s actively trying to solve the game. As it is, that doesn’t mean a player is civ, but my prediliction is that they are. It’s why I started feeling better about Marmot around day 4ish up until he left for like a week because he was engaged with the thread.

So when someone like Wilgy has been plopping his big clown shoes around the house and whistling in a corner, the eye of sauron shone bright.

I made a case right around when sig was the main lynch of contention that Wilgy would look very bad if dog appeared as bad. Besides the fact that he was periodically lurking without posting- and when he did post, it was conscious abstention from the goings-on of the thread- he voted for Boom I think right before EoD. His post was something akin to “wow people want sig dead Ima vote someone else”. I don’t remember the vote totals but it could Jane sent sig over the edge.

So it was a throwaway vote with no real opinion on the sig lynch. If sig is not bad, then it makes it less of a save opportunity but his engagement in this game is piss poor without any sort of excuse behind it. In fact, that unapologetic attitude is why we were looking at sig on his potential lynch day.

So why not vote Wilgy? Like Marmot, it’s not like he’s defending himself here.

That is probably why I wouldn't; I don't love lynching people who are not defending, and we have another day to wait for him. But I am going to check out Daisys links and might wind up voting for him, especially if he shows up to defens and I don't like what he says.

If you think alot of Wilgys baddieness predicates on sigs, why not push for a lynch of sig, as you did previously in the game?

linki @ DH Good Luck!

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 6:31 pm
Boomslang wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 6:09 pm Following the train, because I've fallen off of it. Vote Wilgy aubergine.
Alllll ABOOOOOARD

Why are you voting Wilgy? Literally because everyone else is voting him?

yeah, right?

And seeing Boom reminds me, where is Blooper? I saw her in here earlier, but I don't think she posted?

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 6:35 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 6:30 pm *what would WE learn
A) there is most likely a civ/true revealer
B) someone pushing the narrative that speed is bad is probably disengenuous. Yes, that includes me.
C) we can use a lot of speed’s reads as canon, because he’s lookin pretty civ otherwise

A big

for you, you're right and thanks for pointing it out to me. TRe B, I actually threatened sig and DDL with that in Cerberus.

Where are sig and DDL?

Linki @ DH, nope none that I saw of. Maybe it is a one time power, not unlike Nutellas?
Linki@ Scotty re sig, OK, cool, thanks!

What is a Cactus Ass Posting Meta?

Golden wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 6:44 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 6:42 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 6:39 pm What is a Cactus Ass Posting Meta?
See image mafia.

Really though. I did ask for replacement. Shit keeps popping up and I'm finding less and less time to play and get caught up.

I had a baddie read on Boomslang last week and I will be voting there.
I will confirm that DrWilgy did, indeed, ask for a replacement. Unfortunately we don't have one.

Well, that both makes it easier, and should he flip bad, won't give too much cred to his more recent casual voters since if he had a team, they would know he asked for replacements, so I can drop an Aubergine on Wilgy for now,and save the big stress show for tomorrow.

*Vote Wilgy*

Hope time levels out for you Wilgy

Weirdest game ever!

Thanks Golden!

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 6:58 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 6:29 pm If the effects of my role could last after I died, the effects of LCs role could, too. So no way of proving it until endgame. I think LC made you look civ. Some hapless civvie revealed the role you would flip as, which helped you, and Nutellas death threw a wrench in everyones works. I had planned to poke you and prod you and watch you and wait for your mistake, but that won't happen now.

It's an improbable tale, but it's what I believe
It's super improbable. It actually doesn't have any reason behind it.

You're assuming that a true civilian flipper is out there. You're assuming that a townie has a role that specifically "shows what I'll flip like when I die" instead of revealing my role, which is completely bogus and is not a role that should exist. And you're assuming LC targeted me, with no evidence.

You, the same person that got onto me for assuming Quin was town with direct evidence.
You, the person that got onto DDL and Sig for connecting my flip to Nutella's role.

Do you just hate Occam?

No, but if we were going Occam then Nutellas flip would make you bad

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 7:11 pm I'm confused, SVS what is your read on chuck?

I think he could be bad. I have been saying so since, Oh, LC was lynched the first time. I have had moments when I doubted it, Chuck is rather nice even when you back him into a corner. But like I have said about 88 gazillion times I am having a hard time getting past how aggressively he defended LC.

If you recall, when he first had his role revealed, I grudgingly accepted it, but then when I thought about it, I started going back the other way. I was trying to let is slide and periodically remind him that I still suspected him. But then Nutellas flip with it's "Cannot target a teammate" line, and so much for quietly watching him and poking him periodically.

I wanted to watch him and try to catch him so it could be proven even if he were to flip civ. Then this all came up, and now he is going to be lynched and he will probably flip civ. I wanted to give him a fairer hearing, try him based on the thread, rather than a questionable connection to a role reveal, but again, that isn't going to happen now.

ebwop, If nutellas role did not have that "cannot target a teammate" line, I would be right at the front of the pitchfork line, DH.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 7:40 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 7:07 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 6:58 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 6:29 pm If the effects of my role could last after I died, the effects of LCs role could, too. So no way of proving it until endgame. I think LC made you look civ. Some hapless civvie revealed the role you would flip as, which helped you, and Nutellas death threw a wrench in everyones works. I had planned to poke you and prod you and watch you and wait for your mistake, but that won't happen now.

It's an improbable tale, but it's what I believe
It's super improbable. It actually doesn't have any reason behind it.

You're assuming that a true civilian flipper is out there. You're assuming that a townie has a role that specifically "shows what I'll flip like when I die" instead of revealing my role, which is completely bogus and is not a role that should exist. And you're assuming LC targeted me, with no evidence.

You, the same person that got onto me for assuming Quin was town with direct evidence.
You, the person that got onto DDL and Sig for connecting my flip to Nutella's role.

Do you just hate Occam?
No, but if we were going Occam then Nutellas flip would make you bad
IT DOES MAKE ME LOOK BAD!

See that's where Occams Razor gets you!

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:10 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 5:25 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:53 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 3:52 pm I've been around a bit today. I'd also like to emphasize the "doesn't make any sense for me to be nutella's teammate" angle and see what people think about that.
What angle is that?
If we were teammates nutella wouldn't have been the one hit by my bomb
what bomb?

Last person to vote for him got a bomb, it's in the day 6 Lynch post.

I am glad I don't know any naked cactus people

Search found 321 matches