The Syndicate

juliets wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 10:37 am So cats has exactly 4: nutella, Kyle, me, bwt. Looking good. Not understanding the Space thing though.

@Rej welcome to the syndicate mafia!

juliets wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 11:11 am

Rej wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 11:05 am

juliets wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 10:37 am So cats has exactly 4: nutella, Kyle, me, bwt. Looking good. Not understanding the Space thing though.

@Rej welcome to the syndicate mafia!

Thanks Juliet!

Why you don't understand the space thing? I want to see galaxies and stars inside my cubicle. It also counts in space-cats.

The thing I don't understand is the instructions in the OP says the selections have to be spread evenly or there will be consequences. Space has 7 people voting for it (when I last looked) so that's too many. Go back to her explanation from her in the OP, I'm probably not explaining it well.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 12:52 pm

Rej wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 8:39 am Hello guys, I am the new guy here, which doesn't mean I am unexperienced, but I have to get familair with you guys and the forum.
I know absolutely nothing about the show, but I am ready if someone wanna go against me. I voted Space because I like space over cats tho.

[VOTE: Rej] aubergine

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 1:25 pm

Rej wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 12:00 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 11:11 am

Rej wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 11:05 am

juliets wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 10:37 am So cats has exactly 4: nutella, Kyle, me, bwt. Looking good. Not understanding the Space thing though.

@Rej welcome to the syndicate mafia!

Thanks Juliet!

Why you don't understand the space thing? I want to see galaxies and stars inside my cubicle. It also counts in space-cats.

The thing I don't understand is the instructions in the OP says the selections have to be spread evenly or there will be consequences. Space has 7 people voting for it (when I last looked) so that's too many. Go back to her explanation from her in the OP, I'm probably not explaining it well.

Oh it was the very last note on that add. WU. Got it! But what if I insist on wanting space?

If you want my *legal* Space-spot, then we can make a deal. What will you do for me if I move to Cars?

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 1:18 pm

Rej wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 1:04 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 12:52 pm

Rej wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 8:39 am Hello guys, I am the new guy here, which doesn't mean I am unexperienced, but I have to get familair with you guys and the forum.
I know absolutely nothing about the show, but I am ready if someone wanna go against me. I voted Space because I like space over cats tho.

[VOTE: Rej] aubergine

oh welcome Dragoboy, thanks for showing me the voteformat on this forum so I don't have to bother the host with this question.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 5:56 am

Rej wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 5:19 am I went sleep and came back and that's it? It is day one if I am correct and the people above me actually fluffed? Am I reading that correctly?

You sound guilty.

juliets wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 11:59 am Isn't Mac just listing the people who got assessed a vote for not voting correctly? I didn't take his post seriously.

Meanwhile we have to vote for someone today and it's going to be hard if people aren't posting content. So far nobody has said anything I can make a read off of yet. Does anyone have anything they think looks suspicious?

Today is my birthday by the way and I'm in another game too so I will be in and out.

juliets wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 12:44 pm

Rej wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 12:14 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 11:59 am Isn't Mac just listing the people who got assessed a vote for not voting correctly? I didn't take his post seriously.

Meanwhile we have to vote for someone today and it's going to be hard if people aren't posting content. So far nobody has said anything I can make a read off of yet. Does anyone have anything they think looks suspicious?

Today is my birthday by the way and I'm in another game too so I will be in and out.

Happy birthday!
I am suspicious of this Mac guy for now, because of the way he entered this day phase. He either knows something or he plays with us. I see it as a not wisemove to list yourself as town, that way he might approach us to trust him, but the nr 1 rule is not to trust anyone. I would vote off someone like him, so I expect him to tell us why he lists himself as town and this while we have no information.

Thanks Rej!

I've given my opinion about why Mac names those names so it's probably best if others tell you what they see (it would be best if Mac explained himself but he is in a time zone where he is asleep during our daylight hours and probably will not get here until late this afternoon). I will also say that a lot of times when I see people give a list of who they think is good they include themselves, which makes no sense to me but I wanted to alert you that happens regularly on this site. Anyway, hopefully others will arrive soon and we can continue this discussion and get other discussions going as well.

linki

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 12:40 pm

Rej wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 5:19 am I went sleep and came back and that's it? It is day one if I am correct and the people above me actually fluffed? Am I reading that correctly?

Wait, what is fluffing in this context?

birdwithteeth11 wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 1:06 pm

Rej wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 12:14 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 11:59 am Isn't Mac just listing the people who got assessed a vote for not voting correctly? I didn't take his post seriously.

Meanwhile we have to vote for someone today and it's going to be hard if people aren't posting content. So far nobody has said anything I can make a read off of yet. Does anyone have anything they think looks suspicious?

Today is my birthday by the way and I'm in another game too so I will be in and out.

Happy birthday!
I am suspicious of this Mac guy for now, because of the way he entered this day phase. He either knows something or he plays with us. I see it as a not wisemove to list yourself as town, that way he might approach us to trust him, but the nr 1 rule is not to trust anyone. I would vote off someone like him, so I expect him to tell us why he lists himself as town and this while we have no information.

I know I'm town. Does that mean I deserve a vote too?

birdwithteeth11 wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 1:15 pm

Rej wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 1:06 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 12:40 pm

Rej wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 5:19 am I went sleep and came back and that's it? It is day one if I am correct and the people above me actually fluffed? Am I reading that correctly?

Wait, what is fluffing in this context?

Not spilling out the beans and playing AROUND the information. Like in Macs case, why he think them all are townies, but the comments on his case were kinda contentless.

And that was enough to go ahead and throw a vote on him? Would anyone else who creates such a list of who they believe to be town be worthy of such a vote too?

Linki: Well if you're not used to it, that makes sense. I know some people do it based on personal playstyles/what mafia environment they come from or are used to. But to each his own I guess.

There could be some people who benefited from voting a certain way on Day 0 and had information as such. I wouldn't put it past Spacedaisy to include that as a mechanic.

Matahari wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 2:53 pm

Rej wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 1:10 pm

birdwithteeth11 wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 1:06 pm

Rej wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 12:14 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 11:59 am Isn't Mac just listing the people who got assessed a vote for not voting correctly? I didn't take his post seriously.

Meanwhile we have to vote for someone today and it's going to be hard if people aren't posting content. So far nobody has said anything I can make a read off of yet. Does anyone have anything they think looks suspicious?

Today is my birthday by the way and I'm in another game too so I will be in and out.

Happy birthday!
I am suspicious of this Mac guy for now, because of the way he entered this day phase. He either knows something or he plays with us. I see it as a not wisemove to list yourself as town, that way he might approach us to trust him, but the nr 1 rule is not to trust anyone. I would vote off someone like him, so I expect him to tell us why he lists himself as town and this while we have no information.

I know I'm town. Does that mean I deserve a vote too?

The thing with saying "I am town" is so baseless, because at this point of the game we have no invest results, which means that scum could also say "I am town". So I am not used to it, If someone is town he should stand up and make a real play.

We have 5 people that have a +1 vote on themselves, due to lackluster useage of mechanics, and who is giving us the guarantee of them being town when everyone could have been in their position even wolves.

I don’t know if you are new to mafia or this site, but sometimes, people say they are town because one of the roles might be a lie detector role. Although in games where everyone is making a town claim, mafia can too, but it seems like a harmless enough statement to make.

I’ll be scarce today, because I have company and cooking to do for tonight. I won’t miss the vote but I have no clue about who to vote.

Rej wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 5:14 pm Glad other people also start to see how confusing the post from mac has been, that is quite townish behaviour that I like.
Kylemii seems a mystery to me according to his statements...

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 5:15 pm

Rej wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 5:14 pm Glad other people also start to see how confusing the post from mac has been, that is quite townish behaviour that I like.
Kylemii seems a mystery to me according to his statements...

So for me to look like a civilian to you, all I needed to do was act confused about Mac's post?

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 11:14 am

Rej wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 11:03 am Gosh Drago are you acting so tardy because you are scum? I know this kind of ego of yours, you used it when we swiped town in Novas One Piece game.
First of all Drago I wanted to relax on you, and I wanted to be genuinly cooperative.

So, did you see me going overly agressive against Mac? No, I just brought up a topic and if you have read the other pages, then you see that other people also had similair reads. I think there was nothing off of my play there, nor did I slip, FOS, WIFOM or fluff in any way. I wasn't stealthy and I have nothing to hide, while being in a new enviroment. I am genuine.

But let's go back to you and compare you to me:
Last minute jump, nitpicks on me, while for 100% sure you haven't cought up with the whole thread. That is absolutely unprofessional and clumsy and this should lower the credibility of any argumentation of yours against me.

Tbh I even didn't do anything great...to summarize:
- a bit of gamesolving
- pointing out a case/questioning a person
- some game related quotebacks

Sry for being new, but heck what's going on with you, the way you approach me (even before the game started) was so scummy. So either you wanna test me or you rly push against me because you know I am not scum and probably "newish". As one of my mentors it is not clever to waste energy and your own authenticity to just instajump on me. If this has been your plan all along, then thank you for training me.

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So one town is down it's not a dilemma but I think real scum can be read through the pushes at the end of D1, at this point I rly NEEEEED to reread it multiple times because that way I get to know you guys better. (Note: I just came back from work, went sleep -> work, just to justify my 16 hr absence)

Are you purposely trying to ignore what I'm coming at you for?

I don't care about FoS, ego, aggressiveness fluff, WIFOM none of that shit. You were coming at Mac for something that was trivial and you've seen others do before but never done anything like this. You know damn well him calling himself town is not a big deal but you were trying to make it seem like it was. Only like one person shared a similar read.

You think I give a shit of whatever "last minute" jump I did? I didn't even know the DP ended, I just saw your posts and had to comment in it. By any means it does not lower my credibility in my argument.

Rej, I just love how you try justifying your play as townish completely ignoring the entire point of my questioning against you. You straight dodged when I hit you with and tried talking about stuff that don't even matter. You gotta do better.

Don't even try to act like you being a new player to the forum has anything to even do in this conversation. You know damn well it ain't.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 11:33 am

Rej wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 11:24 am

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 11:14 am

Rej wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 11:03 am Gosh Drago are you acting so tardy because you are scum? I know this kind of ego of yours, you used it when we swiped town in Novas One Piece game.
First of all Drago I wanted to relax on you, and I wanted to be genuinly cooperative.

So, did you see me going overly agressive against Mac? No, I just brought up a topic and if you have read the other pages, then you see that other people also had similair reads. I think there was nothing off of my play there, nor did I slip, FOS, WIFOM or fluff in any way. I wasn't stealthy and I have nothing to hide, while being in a new enviroment. I am genuine.

But let's go back to you and compare you to me:
Last minute jump, nitpicks on me, while for 100% sure you haven't cought up with the whole thread. That is absolutely unprofessional and clumsy and this should lower the credibility of any argumentation of yours against me.

Tbh I even didn't do anything great...to summarize:
- a bit of gamesolving
- pointing out a case/questioning a person
- some game related quotebacks

Sry for being new, but heck what's going on with you, the way you approach me (even before the game started) was so scummy. So either you wanna test me or you rly push against me because you know I am not scum and probably "newish". As one of my mentors it is not clever to waste energy and your own authenticity to just instajump on me. If this has been your plan all along, then thank you for training me.

____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________///

So one town is down it's not a dilemma but I think real scum can be read through the pushes at the end of D1, at this point I rly NEEEEED to reread it multiple times because that way I get to know you guys better. (Note: I just came back from work, went sleep -> work, just to justify my 16 hr absence)

Are you purposely trying to ignore what I'm coming at you for?

I don't care about FoS, ego, aggressiveness fluff, WIFOM none of that shit. You were coming at Mac for something that was trivial and you've seen others do before but never done anything like this. You know damn well him calling himself town is not a big deal but you were trying to make it seem like it was. Only like one person shared a similar read.

You think I give a shit of whatever "last minute" jump I did? I didn't even know the DP ended, I just saw your posts and had to comment in it. By any means it does not lower my credibility in my argument.

Rej, I just love how you try justifying your play as townish completely ignoring the entire point of my questioning against you. You straight dodged when I hit you with and tried talking about stuff that don't even matter. You gotta do better.

Don't even try to act like you being a new player to the forum has anything to even do in this conversation. You know damn well it ain't.

PEPE
You pick on something that has already been resolved, Juliet hinted to me that people use to do it on this forums, another guy said it's ok because of lie detectors. It's all reasonable. It's similair to I/G and how it's purpose is completely unrelevant. Tbh I evolve I rly dislike how certain stuff is done.
That guy literally entered, townclaimed not only himself, but also the others. This fact was involved in my casemaking. He then left off and we almost never came back to that topic. And you tell me you don't find it sus?

I tell you why your move was bad from my perspective: You make a case on another case, you nitpick me but don't make a parallelcase on Mac? Cmon dude a mafiaplayer can do better. Why are you tunneling on me just because I do something new? You know for yourself that I try out new things and new approaches every game, I even told it to you when we chatted after I left the Hogwarts game. You Sir, what you are doing is obviously tunneling and you protect Mac. And that right now is not professional. BEHAVE SON!

Already been resolved doesn't change how bad it was. The meta or reasoning for what Mac did is irrelevant to what I'm talking about. Yes, it's similar to I/G so you know him saying I am town means nothing so why in Jesus were you trying to make it a big deal.

Nope. Nothing wrong with that. I've seen worse on OJ not being called out for so why is this even a bid deal. I do not care about how bad you're finding my case against you was. That is absolutely irrelevant to my entire. I just want you to explain to me why you're making a big deal out of something trivial especial when I've done shit like that as town and you never questioned it. You keep dodging actually addressing this point and defending yourself properly. All of this is irrelevant as fuck and just stalling. I don't know why the hell I should be making a parallel case on Mac when I'm coming at you for how you're coming at him. That makes no damn sense.

So what Rej? I don't care if I'm chainsaw defending Mac. All I want you to do is address my original. All this is meaningless and just a bunch of whatever. It's so irrelevant to what I want to get across. You want to call my play unprofessional when you're literally hopping, ducking, and dodging my actually point and trying to talk about something irrelevant.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 12:45 pm

Rej wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 11:54 am

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 11:33 am

Rej wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 11:24 am

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 11:14 am

Rej wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 11:03 am Gosh Drago are you acting so tardy because you are scum? I know this kind of ego of yours, you used it when we swiped town in Novas One Piece game.
First of all Drago I wanted to relax on you, and I wanted to be genuinly cooperative.

So, did you see me going overly agressive against Mac? No, I just brought up a topic and if you have read the other pages, then you see that other people also had similair reads. I think there was nothing off of my play there, nor did I slip, FOS, WIFOM or fluff in any way. I wasn't stealthy and I have nothing to hide, while being in a new enviroment. I am genuine.

But let's go back to you and compare you to me:
Last minute jump, nitpicks on me, while for 100% sure you haven't cought up with the whole thread. That is absolutely unprofessional and clumsy and this should lower the credibility of any argumentation of yours against me.

Tbh I even didn't do anything great...to summarize:
- a bit of gamesolving
- pointing out a case/questioning a person
- some game related quotebacks

Sry for being new, but heck what's going on with you, the way you approach me (even before the game started) was so scummy. So either you wanna test me or you rly push against me because you know I am not scum and probably "newish". As one of my mentors it is not clever to waste energy and your own authenticity to just instajump on me. If this has been your plan all along, then thank you for training me.

____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________///

So one town is down it's not a dilemma but I think real scum can be read through the pushes at the end of D1, at this point I rly NEEEEED to reread it multiple times because that way I get to know you guys better. (Note: I just came back from work, went sleep -> work, just to justify my 16 hr absence)

Are you purposely trying to ignore what I'm coming at you for?

I don't care about FoS, ego, aggressiveness fluff, WIFOM none of that shit. You were coming at Mac for something that was trivial and you've seen others do before but never done anything like this. You know damn well him calling himself town is not a big deal but you were trying to make it seem like it was. Only like one person shared a similar read.

You think I give a shit of whatever "last minute" jump I did? I didn't even know the DP ended, I just saw your posts and had to comment in it. By any means it does not lower my credibility in my argument.

Rej, I just love how you try justifying your play as townish completely ignoring the entire point of my questioning against you. You straight dodged when I hit you with and tried talking about stuff that don't even matter. You gotta do better.

Don't even try to act like you being a new player to the forum has anything to even do in this conversation. You know damn well it ain't.

PEPE
You pick on something that has already been resolved, Juliet hinted to me that people use to do it on this forums, another guy said it's ok because of lie detectors. It's all reasonable. It's similair to I/G and how it's purpose is completely unrelevant. Tbh I evolve I rly dislike how certain stuff is done.
That guy literally entered, townclaimed not only himself, but also the others. This fact was involved in my casemaking. He then left off and we almost never came back to that topic. And you tell me you don't find it sus?

I tell you why your move was bad from my perspective: You make a case on another case, you nitpick me but don't make a parallelcase on Mac? Cmon dude a mafiaplayer can do better. Why are you tunneling on me just because I do something new? You know for yourself that I try out new things and new approaches every game, I even told it to you when we chatted after I left the Hogwarts game. You Sir, what you are doing is obviously tunneling and you protect Mac. And that right now is not professional. BEHAVE SON!

Already been resolved doesn't change how bad it was. The meta or reasoning for what Mac did is irrelevant to what I'm talking about. Yes, it's similar to I/G so you know him saying I am town means nothing so why in Jesus were you trying to make it a big deal.

Nope. Nothing wrong with that. I've seen worse on OJ not being called out for so why is this even a bid deal. I do not care about how bad you're finding my case against you was. That is absolutely irrelevant to my entire. I just want you to explain to me why you're making a big deal out of something trivial especial when I've done shit like that as town and you never questioned it. You keep dodging actually addressing this point and defending yourself properly. All of this is irrelevant as fuck and just stalling. I don't know why the hell I should be making a parallel case on Mac when I'm coming at you for how you're coming at him. That makes no damn sense.

So what Rej? I don't care if I'm chainsaw defending Mac. All I want you to do is address my original. All this is meaningless and just a bunch of whatever. It's so irrelevant to what I want to get across. You want to call my play unprofessional when you're literally hopping, ducking, and dodging my actually point and trying to talk about something irrelevant.

As said you are tunneling and overread multiple paragraphs from me. I will tell it a last time: He not only called himself town but also all others from the lynch-nerfed players and then he disappeared. And you tell me it's not worth making a case?

About claiming oneself town:
Okay you got me but your reasoning is totally shit. You should have went after me like this: No role-claiming is allowed, which means invest roles can't tell us their results and won't be able to discuss them. It is my bad I realized it later on, but actually saying oneself is town is only profitting a lie detector and seriously I played over 20 mafia games or so and saw the lie detector only once in a one-shot version. So at this point it is not rly my fault, maybe one of my reasonings against mac wasn't that perfect, but dude I achieved my goal. I contributed, other people also went for it. I don't have to justify myself more. I have already been mislynched for trying out new approaches and behaving out of my own meta and that's actually my goal, having NO META at all, just playing mafia and sometimes you gotta use your gut feeling in combination with your aspects to start off something. So how long do you want to pick on me? You won't find a single slip just defense and genuiness.

Nope. I honestly do not care about what he did as there wasn't much wrong in it.

I don't even what in Jesus name this big ass paragraph is. So again, address my point and explain to me why you came after Mac the way you did because your entire read on him is trivial and a lot of has been done on OJ, but you never questioned the ppl there.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 1:33 pm

Rej wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 1:20 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 12:45 pm

Rej wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 11:54 am

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 11:33 am

Rej wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 11:24 am

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 11:14 am
Are you purposely trying to ignore what I'm coming at you for?

I don't care about FoS, ego, aggressiveness fluff, WIFOM none of that shit. You were coming at Mac for something that was trivial and you've seen others do before but never done anything like this. You know damn well him calling himself town is not a big deal but you were trying to make it seem like it was. Only like one person shared a similar read.

You think I give a shit of whatever "last minute" jump I did? I didn't even know the DP ended, I just saw your posts and had to comment in it. By any means it does not lower my credibility in my argument.

Rej, I just love how you try justifying your play as townish completely ignoring the entire point of my questioning against you. You straight dodged when I hit you with and tried talking about stuff that don't even matter. You gotta do better.

Don't even try to act like you being a new player to the forum has anything to even do in this conversation. You know damn well it ain't.

PEPE
You pick on something that has already been resolved, Juliet hinted to me that people use to do it on this forums, another guy said it's ok because of lie detectors. It's all reasonable. It's similair to I/G and how it's purpose is completely unrelevant. Tbh I evolve I rly dislike how certain stuff is done.
That guy literally entered, townclaimed not only himself, but also the others. This fact was involved in my casemaking. He then left off and we almost never came back to that topic. And you tell me you don't find it sus?

I tell you why your move was bad from my perspective: You make a case on another case, you nitpick me but don't make a parallelcase on Mac? Cmon dude a mafiaplayer can do better. Why are you tunneling on me just because I do something new? You know for yourself that I try out new things and new approaches every game, I even told it to you when we chatted after I left the Hogwarts game. You Sir, what you are doing is obviously tunneling and you protect Mac. And that right now is not professional. BEHAVE SON!

Already been resolved doesn't change how bad it was. The meta or reasoning for what Mac did is irrelevant to what I'm talking about. Yes, it's similar to I/G so you know him saying I am town means nothing so why in Jesus were you trying to make it a big deal.

Nope. Nothing wrong with that. I've seen worse on OJ not being called out for so why is this even a bid deal. I do not care about how bad you're finding my case against you was. That is absolutely irrelevant to my entire. I just want you to explain to me why you're making a big deal out of something trivial especial when I've done shit like that as town and you never questioned it. You keep dodging actually addressing this point and defending yourself properly. All of this is irrelevant as fuck and just stalling. I don't know why the hell I should be making a parallel case on Mac when I'm coming at you for how you're coming at him. That makes no damn sense.

So what Rej? I don't care if I'm chainsaw defending Mac. All I want you to do is address my original. All this is meaningless and just a bunch of whatever. It's so irrelevant to what I want to get across. You want to call my play unprofessional when you're literally hopping, ducking, and dodging my actually point and trying to talk about something irrelevant.

As said you are tunneling and overread multiple paragraphs from me. I will tell it a last time: He not only called himself town but also all others from the lynch-nerfed players and then he disappeared. And you tell me it's not worth making a case?

About claiming oneself town:
Okay you got me but your reasoning is totally shit. You should have went after me like this: No role-claiming is allowed, which means invest roles can't tell us their results and won't be able to discuss them. It is my bad I realized it later on, but actually saying oneself is town is only profitting a lie detector and seriously I played over 20 mafia games or so and saw the lie detector only once in a one-shot version. So at this point it is not rly my fault, maybe one of my reasonings against mac wasn't that perfect, but dude I achieved my goal. I contributed, other people also went for it. I don't have to justify myself more. I have already been mislynched for trying out new approaches and behaving out of my own meta and that's actually my goal, having NO META at all, just playing mafia and sometimes you gotta use your gut feeling in combination with your aspects to start off something. So how long do you want to pick on me? You won't find a single slip just defense and genuiness.

Nope. I honestly do not care about what he did as there wasn't much wrong in it.

I don't even what in Jesus name this big ass paragraph is. So again, address my point and explain to me why you came after Mac the way you did because your entire read on him is trivial and a lot of has been done on OJ, but you never questioned the ppl there.

Stop this bullcrap bruh and give me the behave emoji now!
And I explained myself, can you please show who the heck on OJ did townclaim himself and others (based on results of misdeciding via mechanics) without further reasoning it? Please the heck tell me...I found it distracting, that's all. I found the whole townclaiming distracting, because of the lack of information he gave together with it.

Me.

How in bloody name is that distracting? This is literally just like the I/G nitpick. Ppl not doing it is nothing big but of course it's sus for something and they want to say you're wasting town's time. Only ppl wasting town's time are those attacking it, just like you're doing here. It's not distracting, just leave it alone. It bothers NOBODY.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 1:56 pm

Rej wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 1:51 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 1:33 pm

Rej wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 1:20 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 12:45 pm

Rej wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 11:54 am

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 11:33 am
Already been resolved doesn't change how bad it was. The meta or reasoning for what Mac did is irrelevant to what I'm talking about. Yes, it's similar to I/G so you know him saying I am town means nothing so why in Jesus were you trying to make it a big deal.

Nope. Nothing wrong with that. I've seen worse on OJ not being called out for so why is this even a bid deal. I do not care about how bad you're finding my case against you was. That is absolutely irrelevant to my entire. I just want you to explain to me why you're making a big deal out of something trivial especial when I've done shit like that as town and you never questioned it. You keep dodging actually addressing this point and defending yourself properly. All of this is irrelevant as fuck and just stalling. I don't know why the hell I should be making a parallel case on Mac when I'm coming at you for how you're coming at him. That makes no damn sense.

So what Rej? I don't care if I'm chainsaw defending Mac. All I want you to do is address my original. All this is meaningless and just a bunch of whatever. It's so irrelevant to what I want to get across. You want to call my play unprofessional when you're literally hopping, ducking, and dodging my actually point and trying to talk about something irrelevant.

As said you are tunneling and overread multiple paragraphs from me. I will tell it a last time: He not only called himself town but also all others from the lynch-nerfed players and then he disappeared. And you tell me it's not worth making a case?

About claiming oneself town:
Okay you got me but your reasoning is totally shit. You should have went after me like this: No role-claiming is allowed, which means invest roles can't tell us their results and won't be able to discuss them. It is my bad I realized it later on, but actually saying oneself is town is only profitting a lie detector and seriously I played over 20 mafia games or so and saw the lie detector only once in a one-shot version. So at this point it is not rly my fault, maybe one of my reasonings against mac wasn't that perfect, but dude I achieved my goal. I contributed, other people also went for it. I don't have to justify myself more. I have already been mislynched for trying out new approaches and behaving out of my own meta and that's actually my goal, having NO META at all, just playing mafia and sometimes you gotta use your gut feeling in combination with your aspects to start off something. So how long do you want to pick on me? You won't find a single slip just defense and genuiness.

Nope. I honestly do not care about what he did as there wasn't much wrong in it.

I don't even what in Jesus name this big ass paragraph is. So again, address my point and explain to me why you came after Mac the way you did because your entire read on him is trivial and a lot of has been done on OJ, but you never questioned the ppl there.

Stop this bullcrap bruh and give me the behave emoji now!
And I explained myself, can you please show who the heck on OJ did townclaim himself and others (based on results of misdeciding via mechanics) without further reasoning it? Please the heck tell me...I found it distracting, that's all. I found the whole townclaiming distracting, because of the lack of information he gave together with it.

Me.

How in bloody name is that distracting? This is literally just like the I/G nitpick. Ppl not doing it is nothing big but of course it's sus for something and they want to say you're wasting town's time. Only ppl wasting town's time are those attacking it, just like you're doing here. It's not distracting, just leave it alone. It bothers NOBODY.

Dude he claimed himself and the others town without a guarantee. Going into DP like "I am civilian, everyone have a nice game." is totally fine. But he came with a list and other players name. He involved others into his town claiming. And if noone would have mentioned it that person would have just totally go invisible. I had multiple reasons like not having the case of a person going invisible once that person enters the DP. It is quite townish from my side to keep discussion up without an agressive push.
Your tunneling on me is still overly agressive. Or either I am autistic enough to get distracted by that guy. Then I sincerly apologize for my autism behaviour.

Anyway our future is bright Drago I love it.

You're autistic enough to get distracted by Mac.

birdwithteeth11 wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 2:47 pm I don't have enough reads to do a rainbow read yet in this game, but if I did one, I get the feeling rej would be convinced I'm scummy.

birdwithteeth11 wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 3:32 pm

Rej wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 3:07 pm

birdwithteeth11 wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 2:47 pm I don't have enough reads to do a rainbow read yet in this game, but if I did one, I get the feeling rej would be convinced I'm scummy.

Nah I wont omgus-counter-argument you, like I did with Drago I open for new approaches

How so? I feel like what you said to Drago suggests otherwise.

Creature wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 3:45 pm Rej is >rand town

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 3:55 pm

Rej wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 3:48 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 3:45 pm Rej is >rand town

What does ">rand" mean?

You got town for your alignment.

SokothQultuq wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 8:19 pm So I find myself in a quandary. Sorry this conversation stood out to me for the overnight. I'm still looking into the other post but wanted to get my thoughts out.

I still have my reservations about Creature but this conversation with Rej and Dragon has pulled my focus. The entire thing unfolded rather interestingly to me. I don't feel like anything was resolved aside from a bunch of accusations being tossed about.

Rej professes and says he's new to the game, how true is this? He started out the game making posts that would lend to that effect. The post about not knowing where the "voting" thing is. Questions about mechanics and such. But then this showed up:

Rej, you've played multiple games with me where I just out of the blue stated that I am town. I flipped town in all of them. Also, you've never questioned me doing this nor thought of it as a scum tactic so I'm not sure what you're doing here.

- said by Dragon to Rej

While I'm sure there are differences in mechanics between sites I feel like this kind of shines a light that you know more about the game than your trying to portray.

Dragon came in like a wrecking ball a couple of times. I mean his first post in the game right of the gate was to vote for Rej. (You two got a bone to pick with one another?) but without any context. But then played it off in his next vote for Rej. But hardly any activity before this? You made no case, you didn't ask questions. Just bam, voted rej. Not going to quote that ball of mess that was your back and forth with him, but you finally came out and started giving reasons but you slammed him hard for semi-trivial posts. I get that he's new, and could be using that as a crutch against us. But I feel like this is an axe to grind and maybe not even a legit game mechanic. I feel like your posts went literally no where, just posturing and name calling. And then they just ended. Abruptly.

You both were pretty silent early on in the game for whatever reason, and then Bam the conversation to end all conversations. So I feel like all of that was either for our benefit in some way, you two teaming up to try and make yourself look good as bad people, or Rej is playing "New" while he's not and or he is actually new and was caught off guard and put back on his heels and went hard into that conversation out of a misguided attempt to defend himself and got baited or your both Townies just posturing I'm really confused by this conversation because there was a lot of other themes brought into it.

I don't have a full opinion just yet, but it certainly makes me curious about the two of you. I don't really know the two of you or your play style with only 4 games under my belt now.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 11:48 am @Rej you have to vote in the poll at the top for it to count, the tags are just for tracking and the format is [ vote ] name [ / vote ]

nutella wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 11:49 am And I don't think there's a janitor it's just usually standard on our site for nks not to flip.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 11:48 am

Rej wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 11:42 am [VOTE: CREATURE] aubergine

This DP is low on reads I figured out, it also just started so it's fine. I reread the beginning of the last DP up to the middle and then scrolled the end.
I understand the reasoning behind Creature's vote. And I go along with it in hope that it might become more dynamic.

I also totally townread birdwithteeth11 after rereading because he actually tried to do more game solving than anyone else and he is not agressive enough to be scum.

Also the nightkill has been janitored? Do I see it correctly?

Also I must say that Oreki is also experienced as me, even more I guess.
I got quoted brb.

That's not how the vote works. Go to full editor and preview and clock the "vote" icon. Then type in the player's name. Also, don't forget to vote on the poll. That's where it actually counts.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 11:51 am I'm a little concerned about how easy of a lynch creature seems to be rn. The low level of conversation/lack of anyone objecting makes me wonder if he's a mislynch and the real scum are sitting back contented with it.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 11:55 am I think it was mainly Mac yeah though others had already wanted to lynch him from the previous phase

Creature wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 12:02 pm

Rej wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 12:01 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 11:55 am I think it was mainly Mac yeah though others had already wanted to lynch him from the previous phase

Yeah because Kylemii initiated it DP1 and that's irritating me. I saw Creature as a passive game solving guy who just defended himself.

Are you saying I'm town?

juliets wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 1:14 pm Can someone tell me who made a case on Creature so I can go read why he has so many people voting him? Just reading through this day phase I have to agree with nutella, there doesn't seem to be enough conversation today to warrant all those votes (some of which have changed to Long Con I think). And what is the case on LC? I'll ISO him but I'd like to understand the case on him.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 12:39 pm

Rej wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 11:53 am

nutella wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 11:51 am I'm a little concerned about how easy of a lynch creature seems to be rn. The low level of conversation/lack of anyone objecting makes me wonder if he's a mislynch and the real scum are sitting back contented with it.

Same here, that's why I expect people to switch and I am ready to switch once there is information, as I will actively check the thread the upcomming 6 hours and people will for sure build a case on the lynch. Who initiated it was it MacDougall?

Wait, so you're just going to sheep?

Rej is scum #2.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 2:07 pm

Rej wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 1:19 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 12:39 pm

Rej wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 11:53 am

nutella wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 11:51 am I'm a little concerned about how easy of a lynch creature seems to be rn. The low level of conversation/lack of anyone objecting makes me wonder if he's a mislynch and the real scum are sitting back contented with it.

Same here, that's why I expect people to switch and I am ready to switch once there is information, as I will actively check the thread the upcomming 6 hours and people will for sure build a case on the lynch. Who initiated it was it MacDougall?

Wait, so you're just going to sheep?

Rej is scum #2.

So are you going to answer my question or naw. Your play this game has seriously been scummy.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 2:23 pm @Rej what don't you like about Mac's play?

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 2:53 pm

indiglo wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 2:51 pm Meh, stupid website.

[VOTE: Dr. Wilgy] aubergine

What say you, sir?

What do you think about Rej?

indiglo wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 3:23 pm

Rej wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 3:04 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 2:23 pm @Rej what don't you like about Mac's play?

there is multiple things accumulating together.
1. the way Mac entered DP1 claimed himself and the others town, he then didn't contribute much for a wagon giving me the vibe of him not caring for the lynch train, following his jump on Creature on DP2 which quite was an obvious train I fell also for it but I didn't know what do back then
2. Drago obviously tunnels on me again which I like. We can bring back drago's statement of admitting chainsaw defending Mac. Am I dumb or just tunneling myself on Mac? Atleast I try to combine the clues.

Drago and Mac are scum.

Who else would you add to the team?


I'm thinking maybe more like Mac, Wilgy and Oreki now.


Linki~
Post, read, blah

SokothQultuq wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 8:28 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 8:11 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 7:43 pm

SokothQultuq wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 7:32 pm Things got busier at work than I had thought so I never got back too this or my vote. So all the stuff I wrote is kind of null and void now I guess. This would have been a hard vote for me given that Creature was looking good for being bad to me, but it wasn't really enough for me to vote for them this round.

I did take a look at Long Con and I'm not really seeing it. I was intrigued by the comment and suspicions of others. So I took a look like I said I would.
Most of LC's early posts were just filler and responses to others and those of us who were stupid enough to not read the rules fully for that first vote. Most of the posts up until the one right after he voted for Sabie in the first day lynch were lacking in substance honestly. Mostly reactions, with the occasional observation maybe mean to poke at people.
But then he called out Sabie and highlighting some actual points, and I feel like this helped drive some of the votes that went that way. They felt like honest observations though to me.
The posts after that just kind of helped seal Creatures fate, but they seemed consistent to me.

I could use a bit more context on why Long Con is a good choice for the bad guy team for a future look at for a lynch, but right now I'm leaning more towards a good guy.

I commented on his thoughts on Sabie, which I said they're fake, forced and disingenuous. What do you think about that?

Also, besides town reading Sabie, what other thoughts do you have?

Town reading LC not Sabie @SokothQultuq

I actually didn't town read Sabie at all. I made observations of LC's posts. I kind of saw LC's observations but to me they seemed kind of lacking, not enough reason for me to jump on that train which is why I stayed with Creature as my vote that round that she got sacked. I didn't have really enough I felt to go in the red with LC. Not yet anyway.

I'm still suspicious of Rej. But i'm stuck in the middle on them.

I'm still re-reading a few people trying to decide how I feel.

juliets wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2019 7:38 am

Rej wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2019 6:44 am My town reads were correct the game through, and I am still...oof guys...

So it was clear this was a mislynch wagon but I like how people still kept discussing it through the whole day leading into nothing.

@Dragomir bruh, you don't wanna be mislynched again...it is one thing, but you also don't want to mislynch others. Others won't build up the psychology of not mislynching, but in the end you practice it, not only here, but you did the same on OJ. You don't let got of me, even when I jumped off the wagon on creature as one of the first.

From defense to offense...we don't have a townkilling by now and I rly sus Juliets now, because I am more used from her plays, she is doing more reads in generell etc, never seen someone playing so off and then going like:
"Hi Mac" - nothing else.

Ffs either MacDougall is town for 100% or he is deepwolfing and taking control of the wagons.
Also YAAAAAAAAAAAAAY 2 misslynches....Dragomir be like: "I am the most active here, leading the discussions..." tell me why is it so familair?
Oh right in our last game hosted by novas we both swiped town by forming one scumwagon against town after another and noone realized it while 1 obvious scum atleast were known to town.

I am getting heavy flashbacks here

Hi Rej -

Could you explain what you mean above where I underlined? You say you are more used to me doing more reads (I think that's what you're saying) and you never have seen me more "off" but we have never, ever, ever played together before. This is the first time. Also, Mac said "Hi" to me and I just said the same back to him, it was nothing more than that. I think he said it because I said I was going to look at him. So again, it's fine if you think I am bad for other reasons but it isn't because I'm different from how you've played with me before because THIS is our FIRST game together.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2019 10:00 am @MacDougall what do you think about Rej?