The Syndicate

I am going to try and catch up. You guys are as chatty as they are over in Homestar, lol!

Ok, spite having a lot of posts, Alex isn't playing this game so it was fairly easy to quickly catch up, lol. No walls of text.

So it seems there are some assertions being made.

Matt F is claiming these things were said to him:
Bullz claimed DH as his teammate
AP claimed DH as his teammate

DH is claiming this:
Neither of these two are his teammate

Bullz, did you or did you not claim DH as your teammate? AP has explained he believed Matt F was referring to DH offering an alliance to him. DH, did you offer and alliance to him?

These are the things that strike me as oddest in this situation:

1. AP said yes believing Matt F meant were they allied, but he also says he never answered DH's initial offer, so I don't see why he would have said yes to this unless an alliance had actually been established or he understood the question and really was claiming DH as his partner.

2. Bullz has never said anything about DH's statement that Matt F has been twice deceived. Either he is or is not your teammate, correct? Ad you either did or did not claim this, correct? So tell me Bullz, is Matt F. Lying when he I'd you claimed this, or is DH lying when he said he is not your teammate?

As I was reading it, I honestly had the impression of DH and Matt F working together to some end. I wonder if they are not actually teammates trying to cause mass confusion and incite people against each other.

I look forward to answers to some of these questions. Hopefully it will help me decide whe I fall.

Snowy, it is not rubbish in that there are three roles I can see that hold some sort of kill. Being that I would like to live to the end of the game it is in my interest to want to lynch those three roles as soon as possible. In fact it would be in anyone's best interest other than those players and their teammates. Because if they are gone, I am less likely to get NKed. I can absolutely see why Matt F would like to find to try to ferret out those roles. But I don't know that his methods really would accomplish that.

Bullz, uh ok...

Linki @Snow: you say civs with kills, but in reality there are no civs and mafia which is your case against Matt here, it is just a bunch of teams trying to survive. For that reason I want the NKs gone too. Matt's goal makes perfect sense, if you are on a team without a NK. Which he likely is out he sound of it, so I doubt I will be voting for him today.

EBWOP: last sentence there should read: Which he likely is not by the sound of it

Linki: I almost included that exact situation as a third possibility in my post, but I decided to leave it off because I did not want to coach you into an answer,I wanted to see what you said. You believed them to be working together as in you believed they were already in an alliance? Or you believed they were teammates?

Linki @Vomp: I agree with you there.

Snow: ok, that makes sense to me, I see.

Bullz, you have not PMed me... I'm hurt. *cries*

Llama, that sounds like a good approach until you consider that if we all think like that, someone is still going to die. You are just choosing to take your chances. Plus, we do have to have something to talk about in this thread, otherwise we all just sit by waiting and hoping the tides don't turn against us this time around. Trust me, I've done these last team standing games before, and once you are the one the tables have turned on, well you're screwed.

DH, for what it's worth, I doubt I will vote you today either.

Anyway, I am not sure who I will vote for, though most likely it will not be DH, AP, Bullz or Matt F. That just seems too easy.

Llama, I completely agree that whatever he was trying to do really did not accomplish revealing any NKs.

Matt F, in all fairness to the people who are voting you, I think they are doing it because you have lied, pretty much to or about everyone. The only reason I have no desire to lynch you is because it seems in my best interest to let you go on making craziness because it keeps me off the chopping block. Plus I think it unlikely you have a NK. But if I felt for some reason it became in my best interest to vote for you, I would in a heart beat. I think you are awesome and all, but that is just kind of the way the game rolls.

I tossed a vote on BWT, because I wanted to vote someone who seemed invisible.

A new player!

Interesting votes. I did not expect to see them, but seeing them tells me Llama and AP had some definite alliance action going on. Or some deals to save his ass...

And I did not anticipate coming home to a Llama death either. I wonder what the logic was there, why did they feel threatened by someone who for all purposes seemed prone to want to keep NK holders alive?

Ok, well given everything that has happened, I'm going to cast my vote for Matt as well.

Why were you against voting Matt F Vomps?

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Well,I have to go to work. In the absence of any other contenders, I'm voting LA as well.

I don't even know what to think right now...

How long do we have to decide if we want to stay in our current role/team or if we want to change roles?

Site was giving me problems for a bit there.

Will vote for Lizzy now.

What I find interesting is the fact that you say Bullz that you had an agreement with Lizzy. I know Lizzy believed that agreement to mean that you don't vote for her and you vote to keep her if she does go to court. You may not have voted her, but it was you and your partner's choice to take her to court, decided in your chat. And you did not vote her, but you said in your chat you were going to abstain from voting because you can't vote for her to go to jail. So much for voting her to stay. Not to mention someone else has been saying DH wants A Person gone. Funny that, it kind of matches the votes from A Person's court. I look forward to hearing back from INH regarding that change. I am voting AP as well, either it will force you to actually help your alliance partners (who you have not seemed too faithful to so far as far as I can tell) or it will make you show your true colors to them. One way you lose a get out jail free card. One way you lose a vote. Let's see which it will be, shall we?

Also, I never said you would be protected from MP. I said he would be more loyal to me than anyone else in the game and if you wanted a NK you might be able to pull strings with, he was your best shot at it. I said I would not vote him out. Anything more than that, you read into it. Also, you incorrectly assume I betrayed you for him.

Welcome back Matt and Lizzy! See ya Epi. I will say this, well played man. You did what you had to and I get that.

DharmaHelper wrote:

Thanks Daisy for this tip :o

I have no idea what you mean by this, but whatever.

Also, you misunderstood my meaning when i said i didn't betray yo for him.I listened And watched what was happening and realized very quickly that I did not feel comfortable trusting you guys, well before MP entered the game. My partner and I discussed it and he felt the same as I did. Going along with you was simply easier at the time than outright going against you. MP coming into the game only allowed us to form a group of people I felt I could trust. This is not saying anything against your characters, you two are playing a fantastic game. You have walked a great balance of keeping your promises while still hurting the people you say you won't, without actually getting your hands dirty. I give you props for it and I would expect nothing less from such strategic players as yourselves. To be honest, Bullz your power is too great to keep around to end game, it would make it very hard for anyone to win against someone who can simply get out of jail three times. You would feel the same if the tables were turned. As far as Snow's kill, I would not presume to tell him how or when to use it. It's his to use as he sees fit. If he uses it on me, so be it. I don't think you are better or worse than me or MP, but I think you are too dangerous to have around in end game, and I don't think you have been as honest with your collaborators as you have claimed. I fact I am certain of that. And it's fine. The difference here is I know that when the time comes, MP will kill me if that is what it takes to win the game. And vice versa. I am not deluding myself. But I do know that when I am working with him, I have no fear that he is working behind my back to get someone else to take me out. So I am comfortable working with him, and Elo, and Hedge and of course my own partner. In the end we don't all win, and that is cool. Let the chips fall where they may. And in all honesty if you guys win it, you will deserve it, because this is not an easy game. I have no question if MP has not been 100% honest with me, and I know I have been 100% with Elohcin. Do I know she has been 100% honest with me? I don't know it like I do with MP, but I believe she has and I trust her. So to clarify my meaning, I did not betray you for him, I betrayed you because I never felt like I could fully trust you to begin with. There were too many warning signs to the contrary. Again, that is just the nature of the game and the sign i was seeing told me you were playing a really strategic game, but i knew it was not going to my benefit in the long run. And your "super alliance" or "mega alliance" came about after the group I trust had already formed. So I did not betray you for him. I pulled for him because I already knew I could trust him and I wasn't going to see an ally get sent to prison right out of the gate. If you must know, I was pulling for Matt F. Doing everything I could find to do to help save him, in the end it wasn't enough. So my betrayal of you was completely my own and for reasons unconnected to MP, and I have no regret about it. I honestly, don't really care if I win or not, I am just enjoying the game. I will try my best to win but I won't lose sleep over it if I lose. So if my choices thus far lead to my down fall, oh well. I've made the choices I felt best for me and mine as they came along. No regrets.

I'm sure it comes as no surprise that I am voting DH.

Hi.

Must go to work. Voting DH. Later all, been fun playing if I come back to a Daisy lynch.

I should hope you all vote me into jail because to be quite frank I am over this.seriously Lizzy? I am on your list? For what, following DH and Bullz decision to send you to prison? Even then I only did it because word reached me from two separate sources that you wanted to use your plus three on me. I wanted to go after Bullz that day, but you forced me to follow them on their attack on you. but yep, I'M the threat. Fools. Open up your eyes people. You deserve to lose to DH and Bullz. I'm out. Well played boys, you must be quite masterful liars, or else some of these people have been recruited to your team by your little prison break. Anyway about it, I don't even care. I only stuck with it to help Hedge and Elo. Good luck Hedge, though I doubt you are long for this game either, sadly.

No, I really doubt that. Regardless, I don't really mind losing. I'm too tired to care much at the moment. So I am not nearly as pissy as I probably sounded in that post. Fun game INH!

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Oct 16, 2017 10:11 pm Just posting this because a mood struck me. Anyone who cares enough to read it, go for it I guess :P

I said some dumb shit in here and I apologize for that. I don't really have an excuse, and I wouldn't offer one if I did. Anyway, sorry.

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Mon Oct 16, 2017 10:22 pm This entire game is something I feel like I completely ballsed up, betraying what was actually a pretty kick-ass concept.

I regret pretty much everything I did in the back half of hosting this game, and I apologize to the people who got shafted due to my bullshit.