The Syndicate

I'm so glad this game has started! And I voted the wonderful Peter Davison.

Wow, so much Tennant love. He was good, but I was never a big fan of the romance angles, which were always prominent with 10. Plus I strongly dislike his 20 minutes of pre-regeneration moping.

And yes, Eccleston was great, but the show was still finding its footing during his season, so he could only do so much.

Mister Rearranger wrote:Dr. Dre, Dr. Demento, Dr. Doom, Dr. Strangelove, Dr. Loveless, Dr. No, Dr. Dog, Dr. Scholl, Dr. Zhivago, Dr. Drew, Doctor Doctor Gimme the News I've Got a Bad Case of Loving You, etc...

I think you're forgetting a doctor...

Canucklehead wrote:Question: Can I start watching Dr. Who with just the "reboot"? Or do I need to watch the originals? Where/when does the "reboot" start?

The reboot starts with Christopher Eccleston, and it's usually referred to as "Series 1". You definitely don't need to have watched the earlierDoctors, but it would help to get some background on them. I would at least suggest you watch "An Unearthly Child", the very first Who episode ever.

I think this MP/zeek stuff is probably civ/civ. MP is acting exactly like he always does, so I'm not pinged at all by his behavior. I don't know zeek, so I can't really read him, but I don't feel he was being overly defensive.

I don't feel suspicious of either Enrique or MP, so I don't think I'll vote for either of them. I don't have a strong suspicion atm, so for now I'll vote myself and see if I want to change it before the poll closes if I get a chance. I haven't been able to get into full swing yet. :/

*Votes DF*

zeek wrote:Metalmarsh, the planet you've is one in which the Doctor fights an army of Weeping Angels. That's not a good option.

To be fair, we don't know that what happened on the show corresponds to the options in the game. Sometimes when I have polls I make what seems like a baddie option beneficial to civvies and vice versa; if they're just aligned with what you'd expect it would be boring.

Anyway, I voted Azure because a blue planet sounds lovely.

zeek wrote:
DFaraday wrote:
zeek wrote:Metalmarsh, the planet you've is one in which the Doctor fights an army of Weeping Angels. That's not a good option.
To be fair, we don't know that what happened on the show corresponds to the options in the game. Sometimes when I have polls I make what seems like a baddie option beneficial to civvies and vice versa; if they're just aligned with what you'd expect it would be boring.

Anyway, I voted Azure because a blue planet sounds lovely.
And by that logic Azure won't be a blue planet.

I'm not saying it will be blue in the game when we arrive there, just that I liked the thought of a blue planet, so I'll just go with that one. I'm pretty sure I don't think about these polls as much as you do.

I don't like infodumping, but Zeek seems really sure and I doubt a baddie would push that hard for an outcome with bad results.

More importantly, all of the Juliets bandwagoners (Elo, Bullz, Sabie) voted for Azure, so I'm suddenly feeling wary of that option. Hence, I'll switch to Alzarius.

Bullzeye wrote:
DFaraday wrote:I don't like infodumping, but Zeek seems really sure and I doubt a baddie would push that hard for an outcome with bad results.

More importantly, all of the Juliets bandwagoners (Elo, Bullz, Sabie) voted for Azure, so I'm suddenly feeling wary of that option. Hence, I'll switch to Alzarius.
Bandwagoner? Sorry she was a civ but tbh she looked to me like she was pretty much saying she'd vote for whoever someone else told her to, as well as buddying up to Epig in a major way. Didn't look civ to me.

That's fair, but Elo and Sabie offered pretty much no explanation, and so the fact that you're still voting the same way as them gives me pause. I'm more suspicious of them than you, though.

Gotrees wrote:Hi, sorry for missing the first day and night, I actually just finished reading it through all and it probably took a few hours in total.

The hosts are great, and I'm really sorry I didn't start contributing sooner. The stories and nicknames they come up with are very creative!

Anyway, I don't really have much to say right now that others haven't said earlier. Right now MP and Enri and zeek all seem fairly innocent to me, although zeek's insistence on going to a specific planet did seem a bit strange. At least if the planet ends up killing all civs or something we can probably assume he was evil.

New to the game: is it possible that one of the baddies has the power to silence someone for a day/night? MP has been pretty quiet lately.

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MP posted last night. I imagine he's just been busy. And I'm pretty sure Zeek had info; he was definitely implying it, if nothing else.

Spacedaisy wrote:Ok, that whole freaking night conversation went nutty after I voted. Which I don't think I commented on my planet vote so I will now. I don't know jack about Dr. Who. And no one had voted for Azure, so I thought, "what the heck, why not toss a vote there?" And I did. The end.

Now, as to my thoughts.... DFaraday's voting seemed weird. Why? Because I am fairly certain he is a big Dr. Who fan, so I can't see why he would have treated it in such an offhand manner. If I had been around to see that initial vote of his for Azure, I would have probably changed my vote based entirely upon that.

To zeek who bashed people for choosing Azure because they like the color blue... Come on man, if you know nothing about Dr. Who, you would be relying entirely on someone else's guidance for which option, which an possibly open you up to manipulation. So you can either choose randomly for whatever half ass reason you come up with (like I did) because you have no info and don't feel like trying to wrap your brain around the various Wikipedia descriptions of each planet, or you try to understand what the Whovians are saying about each one and hope you are not taking the advice of a Baddie. Six one way, half a dozen the other. If you don't like it and want to call me irresponsible, be my guest. Seems to be par for the course in this game.

I was surprised by the recently deceased. Not who I would have expected.

Bea, if I had a rum and coke right now I would totally drink to you because, you know, you're awesome and stuff. Even with a cactus stuck to your rear. And David, props to you for writing a post when you have to be up to be at work and three freaking o'clock in the morning. Love you guys!

Linki: BR which posts pinged you?

I am a big Doctor Who fan, but as I explained earlier, I don't like to overthink night polls because I often suspect hosts of mixing up the respective outcomes to be something different than the obvious results.

I think it's apparent that the Night Poll had some sort of effect. Zeek would have to be stupidly reckless to push so hard for an option he had no info on, and nobody would have info on the poll unless there was something to be gained from it.

Today I want to hear from Elo, Sabie, and Dom. I feel like they all have some splainin' to do. Now I want to do an I Love Lucy Speed Mafia

Dom wrote: Please tell me what I have to "explain". I have explained what has been asked of me.

I'm wondering, if you just wanted to randomize and didn't actually care about the result, why you didn't just leave your vote on what you accidentally picked the first time. Since you had no disposition one way or another, it would be just as valid as whatever your randomizer said, right?

I still don't get Made's style, but I haven't seen anything that struck me as very pingworthy. I will go back to look at that Epig thing though.

I am really considering Elo and Sabie right now. I think Sabie's deflection onto low posters felt a bit shady, and Elo hasn't tried to justify her votes at all that I've seen.

Elo still hasn't addressed anyone's concerns, so I'll go ahead and vote for her now in case I don't make it back before the poll closes.

*Votes Elo*

Voting Clom because I liked that episode (until they killed off LINDA

). I find it a little disconcerting that nearly everyone is just going along with Karn.

My initial thoughts are that MP is acting more or less like his usual self and that this sudden push to make him Lynch Candidate #1 doesn't sit well with me. I also am not sure what to make of Keys at the moment, although I think at least one of the MP pushers is probably bad.

Also, Elo was an interesting choice for a kill attempt by Strax. I'd have thought he'd go for someone not already in the discussion for lynching, but it looks like it's all about MP today anyway.

I'll go ahead and vote Daisy for now. I really don't like the way things are going down with MP.

Alright, let me explain. I wasn't really trying to vote Daisy; I was in a rush and just wanted to address Daisy while making sure I had a vote on the board (just in case), but I'm thinking I will more than likely vote for Elo, who is my actual top suspicion.

For the record, the thing about Daisy I've found most suspicious is that she keeps coming back to me, saying I should have put more thought into that planet vote. Not only did I explain that I don't overthink night polls, there are 50 years of Doctor Who and many episodes I haven't seen, including the ones those planets were apparently in. I wouldn't really have had anything to base my vote on anyway. I don't know why this was a big enough deal that she mentioned it like 3 times, but it has caught my attention.

Also,

Spacedaisy wrote:First let me say to MP, I really wish you would stop characterizing my listing my suspicions/thoughts as suspicion mongering. You are reading that into it. All I was doing was putting my thoughts out there, period. I wasn't looking to rally a lynch around anyone.

I am glad finally some others are seeing what I have been feeling about DFaraday. I am going to vote there for now. Because before the last lynch he was top of my list.

I apologize for not talking as much, been working over a lot this week and at the moment my head isstarting to hurt.

Are you serious? There's been widespread chaos and suspicions flying all over the place since this game started, and I was top of your list solely because I didn't put enough thought into one night poll?

It just doesn't make sense to me.

MovingPictures07 wrote: I've played a lot of games with DF over the years but this seems uncharacteristic. He seems to no u Daisy and expresses a tone of outrage that I practically never see from DF. Can anyone else corroborate this for me or do you disagree?

Clearly you weren't there for my LOST flipout. I can get very testy when I feel unjustly accused; in this case, the fact that Daisy had literally nothing to go on other than not liking my reason for voting in the night poll, and yet saying that I'm her top suspect because of that.

And of course I was actually voting Daisy, but what I meant was it wasn't intended to be permanent. I just wanted to call attention to her before heading out, then come back and actually vote later. On that note, I am voting Elo based on the fact that she was part of the Juliet-wagon, then the Azure-wagon, then she made no attempt to defend herself other than "I'm always blendy", then she mysteriously survived an NK from the civ ninja.

*Votes Elo*

Dom wrote: If you read it in that tone, then yeah, I would say it is out of character for DFaraday. However, I didn't see outrage as much as I saw confusion. My interpretation could be totally wrong, but that's what I saw. DFaraday and I started playing in the same game, on the same team way back in like 2009 or so, so I try to think I might be able to grasp his game. What bothers me most is lack of real content. DF usually posts a little but says a lot. I'm not seeing that.

Heroes Mafia.

I am trying to keep up with the content, but honestly, I have been glazing over the dozens of puzzle-solving posts. I think that's been affecting my level of commentary, but I do try to make my views known.

And if I have come across as overly hostile at all, I am sorry. I always try to be an example of Christian charity.

fingersplints wrote:
DFaraday wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote: I've played a lot of games with DF over the years but this seems uncharacteristic. He seems to no u Daisy and expresses a tone of outrage that I practically never see from DF. Can anyone else corroborate this for me or do you disagree?
Clearly you weren't there for my LOST flipout. I can get very testy when I feel unjustly accused; in this case, the fact that Daisy had literally nothing to go on other than not liking my reason for voting in the night poll, and yet saying that I'm her top suspect because of that.

And of course I was actually voting Daisy, but what I meant was it wasn't intended to be permanent. I just wanted to call attention to her before heading out, then come back and actually vote later. On that note, I am voting Elo based on the fact that she was part of the Juliet-wagon, then the Azure-wagon, then she made no attempt to defend herself other than "I'm always blendy", then she mysteriously survived an NK from the civ ninja.

*Votes Elo*
Hey DF, I agree with your assessment of Elo and will also likely be voting there. In addition to these many things, what also pinged me was that she seemed to be telling Dana that knowing someone outside of mafia doesn't mean you can read them well (siting her husband as an example), but she had seemed pretty convinced of her husband's civviness the day before. I can't read everyone I know outside of mafia well, but some I can. I don't know, something about it just seemed a bit contradictory to me.

Also, I'm a bit curious, during the "LOST flipout" as you call it, were you a baddie or civvie? I'm not saying I suspect you atm (mainly because I agree with your thoughts on both SD and Elo) but I don't think this makes you a civvie either. I've been lynched as a civvie and gotten upset before, and I have also been lynched as baddie for incorrect reasons and been upset before.

I was a civvie, and there was only one baddie left in the game, but everyone decided to go after me anyway. I really only get upset when I'm a civvie up for lynching and I feel like the case against me is unjust. Usually when I'm bad I can at least think, "Well, their case does have some merit."

Turnip Head wrote: I don't understand your suspicion of DF - you earlier based it entirely upon the fact that he voted for Daisy without much explanation, you said that you hadn't suspected him except for that vote. And yet when he posted his explanation you simply said you weren't satisfied with it. Why weren't you? DF's explanation rang genuine to me and I immediately in my mind compared it to his freak-out in the LOST game as well as the Recruitment III game on RM. Juliets, you may remember that I made some accusations against DF in that game, and at one point he thought I was claiming I had info on him (I wasn't) and he got extremely upset. He was a civvie, just a frustrated one because he thought he was being accused for no good reason. I see shades of that here, I have no red flags against DF and think it would be a mistake to lynch him today.

Goodness, I forgot I'd done it twice.

It's something I'm trying to stop doing!

And Dom, I have given my thoughts on Elo (bad) and MP (good), but in addition, I'm still wary of Sabie and Bullz (especially Sabie), and I think the Azure thing is a big red flag. Also, I have mostly gotten over my suspicion of you, and think all this stuff with Zeek and Made, et al, is not any coherent baddie plan on any side.

I'm still looking at Daisy too, but she's not my top priority.

After finally catching up, I do find both Epi and Dom to make compelling points regarding their respective nemeses. However, I agree with SVS that Made was very likely saved, and I think that if Enrique is bad, he's teamed with Made. I feel more confident about Made being a baddie than Enrique overall though.

I have church stuff the rest of the evening so I will go ahead and vote now. I'm sticking with Made, and like MP said, I think it would be more illuminating to lynch Made than Enrique.

*Votes Made*

I voted Rexel because I liked the Shakespeare episode, and it hopefully won't have anything to do with the Daleks and Cybermen (although you all know how I feel about that kind of reasoning).

I think this lynch is definitely not reflecting well on either Made or Enrique, especially given Made's self vote. I'm leaning towards an Enrique vote tomorrow, depending on what happens tonight.

RIP Zeek and bye Made!

I don't see any real benefits from lynching MP. If he's a civvie then we'll be down another civvie. If he's a baddie, then this is just some baddie ploy, and we're better off not taking it.

Hedgeowl wrote:Dfaraday caught my notice as well.

Hi Hedge! I will do my best to answer any issues you have with me.

Dom wrote:DFaraday, Hedge's post actually reminded me about something I meant to comment on earlier.

Can you explain the following:

In this post, you said you didn't see anything about Made that caused suspicion. You said nothing about Made seemed baddie.

What changed when you made this post? You didn't make any posts about Made in the interim. I'm confused as to how you got to that thought.

The bandwagon that led to Snow Dog 1.0's death read to me like a save attempt, and I still wonder whether it was. That was the biggest thing which sent me in Made's direction (then his inconsistent behavior and self vote just dug him deeper in my view).

Hedge, I don't have any real grounds for believing that they are teammates, but I did (and do) feel pretty confident that Made was bad, and I was wary of Enrqiue. I had a thought that the shenanigans yesterday might have been some kind of a ploy between the two of them to ensure Made's survival, and thus thought the teammates idea had some merit. The more I think about it, the less Enrique's NK survival makes sense in that scenario, though.

Before anyone says anything about it: Yes, I'm changing my view on something. Because I thought about it further and didn't come to the same conclusion as I did before.

Dom wrote: I guess my confusion stems from the fact that you obviously didn't see my case before. My Made suspicion was nothing new. Why was it my "points against made" that caused you to think he was bad?
You are saying my case caused your thinking. My case didn't earlier. I'm just wondering what changed so that you enjoyed my case the second time around?

The fact that I'm actually paying attention now.

It took me awhile to really get caught up in this game and earlier I did kind of skim over a lot of the behemoth multiquote posts involving you, Made, and Zeek. That's why I said I didn't think all the Made/Zeek stuff was part of some grand baddie ploy. I did not say I thought either was civ, just that their back and forth seemed to me like honest arguing in circles. Once I looked over your posts, I did see how Made was misrepresenting your posts, trying to deflect attention to anyone except Enrique (that was part of the reason I thought they might be teammates), and then acting progressively shadier as the lynch drew nearer.

So in short, the recent feuds all seemed like people talking over each other until I started to examine them.

Dom wrote: Thank you for your response!!

Glad, as always, to oblige my friends and neighbors.

What shows are you going to see?

New Savannah because I like the cat nuns.

I don't know why people make such a big deal out of lie detector roles. Even if someone lies and the LD finds out, it's not like the LD can tell anyone, they'd have to try building a case like anyone else would.

Having said that, it is a bit odd to me that Epi seemed to go to great lengths not to say the thing everyone kept asking him to say.

Having reviewed MP's case on MM, I do think it looks like MM was distancing from teammate Enrique, which would square with his shifty actions during the Made lynch. I also feel uneasy about Epi and think the case on him may have merit, but I'm leaning towards an MM vote at this point.

Agreed with Hedge that MP is likely a civvie. In any event, I'm pretty much universally opposed to lynching MP, because if he's bad that's what he'd want us to do.

juliets wrote:DFaraday, from your perspective what is the case on Epi?

I was going to say his refusal to answer the request and the fact that Zeek got taken out shortly after his interaction with Epi, but having just read Epi's response, I'm finding his points actually pretty compelling.

So with that, I will go ahead and *Vote MM*

juliets wrote:Thank you for responding DF

You are quite welcome!

Like LC said, just because someone survived doesn't mean they're bad. But we should keep an eye on them just in case.

Hedgeowl wrote:
Chris wrote:BR, why do you suppose I'm getting more suspicion than you or Elo got? Even MP, who survived a NK, suspects me because I survived a NK. How much sense does that make?
Sorry I am still recovering from your latest defense, "dont lynch me because i will die, but if i am the Master why bother?"

I just finished reading through some loooong posts, but to start its not that you survived an NK, its that you survived 2 NKs. Big difference. If you had just survived a strax kill no biggie, you'd probably be civ, but the cybers tried to kill you on the same night? They have a live role checker on their team and if they learned you were the master, they would know just leading your lynch wouldnt be enough. I dont think the argument you are the Cyber controller works, because um, why would you target yourself, but the Master is a real possibility. I am willing to consider civ options, but its a really hard position to defend from i know.

In response to the bolded, it would not be unheard of for a team to "target" a member of their team, knowing full well that that person will survive, so I wouldn't write off Chris as a Cyberman just yet.

Speaking of, I want to point out that Sarah Jane's role says she can survive "alien" attacks. The Cybermen are not aliens, so I wonder whether Sarah can survive being targeted by them. If not, that just makes Chris look even shadier.

Dom wrote:
DFaraday wrote:
Hedgeowl wrote:
Chris wrote:BR, why do you suppose I'm getting more suspicion than you or Elo got? Even MP, who survived a NK, suspects me because I survived a NK. How much sense does that make?
Sorry I am still recovering from your latest defense, "dont lynch me because i will die, but if i am the Master why bother?"

I just finished reading through some loooong posts, but to start its not that you survived an NK, its that you survived 2 NKs. Big difference. If you had just survived a strax kill no biggie, you'd probably be civ, but the cybers tried to kill you on the same night? They have a live role checker on their team and if they learned you were the master, they would know just leading your lynch wouldnt be enough. I dont think the argument you are the Cyber controller works, because um, why would you target yourself, but the Master is a real possibility. I am willing to consider civ options, but its a really hard position to defend from i know.
In response to the bolded, it would not be unheard of for a team to "target" a member of their team, knowing full well that that person will survive, so I wouldn't write off Chris as a Cyberman just yet.

Speaking of, I want to point out that Sarah Jane's role says she can survive "alien" attacks. The Cybermen are not aliens, so I wonder whether Sarah can survive being targeted by them. If not, that just makes Chris look even shadier.
DF, were you on my team in supernatural, I can't remember.

I wasn't in Supernatural, although it sounds like something I should have been in.

Hedgeowl wrote:Ok, so this is what i find interesting. This post was made by DF at 2:40pm. However, Epi and others have said the idea of made and Enri being teammates started with him.

DFaraday wrote:After finally catching up, I do find both Epi and Dom to make compelling points regarding their respective nemeses. However, I agree with SVS that Made was very likely saved, and I think that if Enrique is bad, he's teamed with Made. I feel more confident about Made being a baddie than Enrique overall though.
These posts that Epi quoted start at 6:31pm

Epignosis wrote:Enrique voted Made to save his own skin.

But Made hasn't voted Enrique.
And here 6:39pm. Well after DF has already mentioned the idea.

Epignosis wrote:Made has defended the shit out of Enrique. Enrique doesn't think Made is bad either. In a game with one bad team, defending civilians is a logical strategy if you are bad. In a game of two or more bad teams, defending "civilians" is a risk because you could wind up defending someone on the other team.

But when it comes down to the votes, now that it's clearly between Made and Enrique, Enrique is SWIFT to vote Made to save himself, but Made won't vote Enrique.

Huh.

Addendum: If you had a teammate who couldn't be lynched, you'd be okay voting for him, right?
So Epi what I am wondering is did the idea come from you before DF's post? Df did address my question below and seemed to change his mind about the possible teammates.

DFaraday wrote:
Dom wrote:DFaraday, Hedge's post actually reminded me about something I meant to comment on earlier.

Can you explain the following:

In this post, you said you didn't see anything about Made that caused suspicion. You said nothing about Made seemed baddie.

What changed when you made this post? You didn't make any posts about Made in the interim. I'm confused as to how you got to that thought.
The bandwagon that led to Snow Dog 1.0's death read to me like a save attempt, and I still wonder whether it was. That was the biggest thing which sent me in Made's direction (then his inconsistent behavior and self vote just dug him deeper in my view).

Hedge, I don't have any real grounds for believing that they are teammates, but I did (and do) feel pretty confident that Made was bad, and I was wary of Enrqiue. I had a thought that the shenanigans yesterday might have been some kind of a ploy between the two of them to ensure Made's survival, and thus thought the teammates idea had some merit. The more I think about it, the less Enrique's NK survival makes sense in that scenario, though.

Before anyone says anything about it: Yes, I'm changing my view on something. Because I thought about it further and didn't come to the same conclusion as I did before.
This was before he voted for enrique though and most of the thread seemed to agree they were very likely teammates after the save so i am a bit confused. I coudlnt find a vote post either. I am increasingly wary of dfarday and think him very likely a cyber.

Sorry, I'm a bit unclear what you're wary of. Do you think I was trying to pass of Epi's idea as my own?

I can't stick around (I'm hosting a Princess Bride night!), so I'm not going to try to reread Roxy right now. I do still think something is up with Chris, and his "If I'm the Master, it won't even work" thing just made me feel even more pinged.

*Votes Chris*

Great result! I wonder what the recruitment meant though...

Hedgeowl wrote:
DFaraday wrote:
Dom wrote:DFaraday, Hedge's post actually reminded me about something I meant to comment on earlier.

Can you explain the following:

In this post, you said you didn't see anything about Made that caused suspicion. You said nothing about Made seemed baddie.

What changed when you made this post? You didn't make any posts about Made in the interim. I'm confused as to how you got to that thought.
The bandwagon that led to Snow Dog 1.0's death read to me like a save attempt, and I still wonder whether it was. That was the biggest thing which sent me in Made's direction (then his inconsistent behavior and self vote just dug him deeper in my view).

Hedge, I don't have any real grounds for believing that they are teammates, but I did (and do) feel pretty confident that Made was bad, and I was wary of Enrqiue. I had a thought that the shenanigans yesterday might have been some kind of a ploy between the two of them to ensure Made's survival, and thus thought the teammates idea had some merit. The more I think about it, the less Enrique's NK survival makes sense in that scenario, though.

Before anyone says anything about it: Yes, I'm changing my view on something. Because I thought about it further and didn't come to the same conclusion as I did before.
Df - you asked for clarification on what i was wary of. It was your sureness of made an enri as teammies in thread, having not been very involved at all, and then the sudden thread takeover of the idea that they were teammates. When you were questioned about it you backtrack in this post, but then say that you rethought they are not teammates, after Made voted to save himself making it seem like a team save. Then you vote enrique the next lynch, but dont post why that i could find.

Overall reading throught df's posts he seems to leave the door open to suspecting everyone. The same in the Epi v. mm lynch. He voted mm, but still suspected epi. It justs doesnt feel right to me and i think you are cyber.

I think you're overselling my "sureness" a bit.

Here is my original post on Made and Enrique, where I say I think that IF Enrique is bad, he's teamed with Made, but I'm more sure about Made. I was hardly at Keys-ian levels of confidence.

I don't exactly remember what all I thought about them after, but part of it was I thought that since the Cyber Controller can survive NKs, that Enrique might be him rather than a Dalek (I was obviously wrong about that). I still had suspicion of both, although my thoughts about which team each was on kind of fluctuated.

Your second point about me suspecting everyone actually seems a little weird to me, since I feel like I think too many people are civ. For the record, I'm of the opinion that MP, Dom, Dana, and probably BR are civ. I think Keys is quite possibly civ too, since I doubt a baddie would push that hard to save someone not on their team. I still don't know as he's right about Chris though.

I voted breakfast burrito because they're so good (especially bacon and egg!). And I live in Texas, so I'm an authority on such matters.

Has anyone solved Clara's already? Because I basically got that one:

as the 'Impossible Girl', she may -n---en-e the timeline of the game and end one night early

RIP MP.

Very interesting about LC. That's what, 4 currently living players who have been targeted for NKs? I'm betting both the Cyber Controller and the Master are among them.

Chris wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:
Chris wrote:I'd sure as shit hate to waste a kill. I'd LOVE to lynch The Cyber Controller.
You'd hate to waste a kill now, would you?
Stop.

You know what I meant.

I was also thinking about the CyberMan head. Do you think that the "body" is the other secret role? Wouldn't that give the CyberMen a 5th team member? That seems overpowered to me. A living role check, and a role that can't be NKed.

But how else can that work? Is the body a civvie role? Like, since it's separated from the head, it's not evil?

LINKI @ TH:

The impression I got from the role description is that at a random point in the game the Head gains that ability, I wouldn't have considered the body being another teammate.

I agree with TH that if Epig and Sabie are the Cybermen, it doesn't matter much in which order we lynch them since if one turns up Cyber, and you're if you're right about there only being two left, Strax could take out the other one. However, I'm more confident in Sabie being Cyberman than Epig, considering Sabie's keen Dalek (and only Dalek) hunting skills.

As for the Master, I do think he's probably one of the people who's survived an NK. I find it a little hard to swallow that Sarah and Jack are two of them, and the other two are also civvies who just happened to be saved.

Not that it matters at this point, but I am more suspicious of Sabie than Epig, and nothing she has said has made me feel better about her.

*Votes Sabie*

Great result! And welcome back, MP!

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