The Syndicate

keys56000000000 wrote:$80 on chance

keys56000000000 wrote:Yeah make it rain!

$60 on the extra die role power!

Elohcin wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

keys56000000000 wrote:Yeah make it rain!

$60 on the extra die role power!

I'll make $ure you get an extra die.

you gonna keep up he $$$$$ all game Epi?

boo wrote:Vote changing should be enabled, and works for me, but isn't working for Epi (apparently it's been an issue in another game as well). Just a heads up.

juliets wrote:Lol, this game is already beyond me. Why is it a bad thing to have a third die roll when you are rolling for whatever turn the die is applied to? And the Chance choice is just you can give someone else a chance card? Why is that worth $500 to Epi? Or is he kidding?

juliets wrote:And now for a normal mafia question, Epig why did you vote for Eloh? Does this mean you already know that she is a baddie this game? (For those who may not understand this question, Epi usually tells us whether Elo is good or bad and he's been right every time but one.)

Elohcin wrote:

Epignosis wrote:A$ I did today in real life, I voted.

What?! You better just be checkin' the changeable vote mechanism

FZ. wrote:So, the fact Epig used so much money for the bid, makes me think he's EC who got 190$ which is probably be where my vote will go

FZ. wrote:I'm going to bed. Voting Epi for using so much money.

Boogs wrote:Wow this is confusing already! Im pretty much voting Epignosis for now because:
A) His money throwing down scares me that he has so much if he is bad this early
B)His threat to come at him to scare us.

He is a very good player, and I think he is trying to scare us to not vote him. I have nothing else this early but Im confident in voting him.
votes Epignosis

Long Con wrote:The dollar sign thing is really annoying, Epig.

Long Con wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Long Con wrote:The dollar sign thing is really annoying, Epig.

$orry.

Go ahead and vote for me. I know you're $eeking a rea$on to do it.

How do you know that?

Long Con wrote:Ok, Llama, I'll sit back and see how it goes. I think it's inevitable that people who bid on properties will be killed, and I'd like someone to convince me that that's not the case. That's all. I want to play this game to its full fun potential, and the way I see it, this is a BIG roadblock in the way of that. Of course I want to find my colour group and start building and making lots of money, that sounds fun. Just like the board game! Which is fun! Except in the board game, people don't vote you out for becoming successful, and baddies don't kill you for becoming successful, and everyone is on their own team to begin with.

Maybe if we all agree to be cool and NOT go after players who try to acquire more property? Is that something that can be? What does everyone think?

S~V~S wrote:

fingersplints wrote:

Long Con wrote:

S~V~S wrote:I asked this earlier, and I don't see that anyone has had an opinion of this~ what would benefit the known baddies, the rails/utilities, most? If we try to stay un-monopolized, or if we try to form monopolies?

Trying to find our teammates will hurt the baddies more, because it will tell some Civvies who other Civvies are, and they can defend each other.

If I am understanding this correctly though, it won't tell civvies who other civvies are, because they won't be civvies anymore though, yes?

If only limited BTS forms, then those people remain civ. And the odds of that are high since 3 people searching for each other actually finding each other is slim. The two properties with only 2 cards have the highest chance of forming an actual monopoly. I think we are putting the cart before the horse here.

The thing that is confusing me, I guess, is all the worrying people are doing about what MIGHT happen if civs form monopolies and become indies rather than worrying about two actual baddie teams that have kills. And I just reread the Utilities, those guys are super powerful. They know roles, plus they have a bidding advantage if those known cards come up for sale.

So people finger pointing already over *might* strikes me as worrisome. And I think that vanilla civvies with no earning power are sitting ducks for the baddies. But last I looked it was a free country (at least the various countries we all come from seem to be somewhat free in varying degrees) so if people choose to not search, that's cool. But i don't want people telling me I am suspicious becasue I want to search.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

zeek wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:I don't think Epi is bad, or at least I don't think he has BTSC yet... but if he has a majority vote 10 minutes before deadline you can bet your $weet bippy that I'll vote for him and then try to take his card.

Yeah, pretty sure this will be standard. Not criticising at all, but we'll all probably do this at some point and vote patterns won't be that helpful. It's also going to make bandwagons very likely amd less likely to result in a mafia lynch.

I understand the thoughts on Epi but don't necessarily agree. I expected some people to flash the cash early and I'm not that surprised its him. Dunno, as usual he's not defending himself so its hard to tell what to make of it

I'm waiting to hear what he says about it before I proceed. Because how I feel about him depends on what his response is.

juliets wrote:Epi you told me to shush last time I asked this but I'm still asking again. Do you think Elo is bad?

juliets wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

juliets wrote:Epi you told me to shush last time I asked this but I'm still asking again. Do you think Elo is bad?

I wanted to determine if $he wa$ paying attention. $he i$.

Now I see why you told me to shush, and I can see why after Dr. Who you'd want to know if she was paying attention. Lol. Also I see you've gone back to the annoying $.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

juliets wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

juliets wrote:Epi you told me to shush last time I asked this but I'm still asking again. Do you think Elo is bad?

I wanted to determine if $he wa$ paying attention. $he i$.

Now I see why you told me to shush, and I can see why after Dr. Who you'd want to know if she was paying attention. Lol. Also I see you've gone back to the annoying $.

Never $topped!

Never have I heard a truer claim.

Will there come a time when it will come to a halt?

Turnip Head wrote:Epi, I dare you to never use words that have "s" or any of its substitutes for the rest of the game

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:I bet 50 Monopoly $'s that Epi makes it further in this challenge than MM does.

Rob may practice the art of eloquent word formation in our native tongue, and make a living through it...

But I play to win.

Turnip Head wrote:Cutting a word off in the middle however is less swag.

FZ. wrote:Epig,

Why did you bid so much? Where were you expecting to get more money from for the other stuff?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I have a theory.

The more money he will bet on a power, the more likely another player will check him tonight in the hope that they can partner up with the equal color, being that it would be convenient to have that power on your team. Meaning that the money might return back to him in the future. It might be a gamble, but that'll be the name of the game.

FZ. wrote:

Epignosis wrote:It probably won't. You wanted to know how I would get money- I plan to get money the very way anyone in Monopoly would get money. Luck.

Yep, your answers definitely make me want to take my vote off...or not. I don't like lynching civs, so I'm trying to get to the bottom of your actions. What was the point in your bid? Did you just not think it through and went with it at that moment? Would you do it again now?

Long Con wrote:Heading into work, last chance to vote. going Epig because his money flashing may indicate that he is up money like a utility. Also, I want to vote someone with votes because I have a vote, self interest. If I'm done before 10 I may change but not likely possible.

Boogs wrote:Not sure about the Made thing, however I still feel Epignosis giving like half of his starting money on the auction so easily means he isn't worried about money because he has teammates or has some money from people landing on him that was a lot already like Electric Company. Just my opinion but feel like he should go.

Turnip Head wrote:Gotcha son

Long Con wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Long Con wrote:Heading into work, last chance to vote. going Epig because his money flashing may indicate that he is up money like a utility. Also, I want to vote someone with votes because I have a vote, self interest. If I'm done before 10 I may change but not likely possible.

Called it.

No, you didn't "call it". You asked for it. Big difference.

I want you to know that you can't intimidate me out of voting for you with cheap tactics like that.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Why don't we bold any bid we make to make it clear?

$100 on the extra die if the bid from TH earlier will count (for 60 + 25, being unbolded and not an exact amount).

Linki: Why don't you like the the little game Mongoose? You are ruining the fun where other people are even bidding on Epi, llama, and me.

S~V~S wrote:

Long Con wrote:RIP S~V~S. I would have probably checked you next, hope you weren't in my colour-group.

Boo, are people allowed to publicize who they checked at night? Like, could I say "Yo Epig, I checked you last night and we didn't sync up, too bad!", for example?

Long Con wrote:

nijuukyugou wrote:And it's way too early to determine who's "trustworthy," if there's such a thing as "trustworthy" in mafia.

Apparently not everyone agrees with you. Metalmarsh and, I believe, Turnip Head, both have expressed their trust in Epignosis. Could be others as well, but those two for sure.

Long Con wrote:Well, I just don't comprehend why either of them would feel that way about you on Day 1. How on earth can Turnip Head say with any minute degree of certainty that he thinks you're not a baddie? It makes no sense to me, and I thought that maybe those two might want to respond to NinjaBloooper's comment, since they cleqarly disagree with it. Maybe they can teach Bloop and I something we don't know about Mafia.

Unless you yourself want to fill us in.

LoRab wrote:Following through on my thoughts in the post-lynch post. Didn't want to make overt accusations at the start of night. I think that elohcin is Made's teammate. Even if they didn't have BTSC yet, Made had clearly made a slip, and elo was trying to prevent the lynch on the chance that they would, indeed, gain BTSC and be teammates.

LoRab wrote:So, I think Elo was trying to deflect attention away from Made and towards others, and stopping the growing opinion against Made.

By diverting attention to JC and BR, it seems she was trying to drop seeds of suspicion on them, hoping for a second bandwagon, and not have to actually defend Made. Which, by the way, she doesn't mention the slip at all in her post--which is odd. And to accuse JC of bandwagoning--when, in fact, there was clear reason to vote for Made, just doesn't make sense.

She makes a case out of 2 players who have played a lot together and have similar thought processes often, asking for each other's opinions early in the game. That doesn't seem odd to me at all. It seems even less reason for suspicion.

Right now, Elo is my biggest suspicion.

Long Con wrote:In a recent game, I correctly called out Lorab and Canucklehead as baddies, because they trusted me and openly said they thought I was Civvie in the thread, multiple times. I found it suspicious, because I was a baddie, and I started to try to figure out why they thought I was Civvie. I came to the conclusion that they probably hoped I was Civvie, but that they were simply saying those things in order to placate me, or to make me feel more in sync with them in the thread. It was a way of acting that was, at its core, intended to make themselves seem more Civvie.

I'm not saying that Metalmarsh and Turnip Head are baddies. I am saying that their trust in Epignosis on Day One fits the basic points of what Lorab and Canucklehead were doing in that game, in that they don't have anything much to go on to say they trust him. It could be viewed as a way for baddies to set up a trust-warmed in-thread relationship with a player that they believe would be a better ally than enemy.

And, well, Epig is that sort of player.

Turnip Head wrote:I just think Epi plays a little more recklessly when he has no teammates. His Big Bid didn't push me toward suspecting Epi the way that it did for you and others, it made me think he's alright.

Long Con wrote:

Epignosis wrote:While I appreciate the vouch (Note to me: Act more wayward next time when bad!), a civilian property will need to cough up a bit of bread to grow in power. In the actual board game, I never refrain from buying a property if I can.

Spending so much on a Chance card cripples you when biding for any future property... unless you have a good income stream.

juliets wrote:She could have been one of the utilities though.

LoRab wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

LoRab wrote:Following through on my thoughts in the post-lynch post. Didn't want to make overt accusations at the start of night. I think that elohcin is Made's teammate. Even if they didn't have BTSC yet, Made had clearly made a slip, and elo was trying to prevent the lynch on the chance that they would, indeed, gain BTSC and be teammates.

That plan would be foolhardy, even among people who already could talk privately with one another.

LoRab wrote:So, I think Elo was trying to deflect attention away from Made and towards others, and stopping the growing opinion against Made.

By diverting attention to JC and BR, it seems she was trying to drop seeds of suspicion on them, hoping for a second bandwagon, and not have to actually defend Made. Which, by the way, she doesn't mention the slip at all in her post--which is odd. And to accuse JC of bandwagoning--when, in fact, there was clear reason to vote for Made, just doesn't make sense.

She makes a case out of 2 players who have played a lot together and have similar thought processes often, asking for each other's opinions early in the game. That doesn't seem odd to me at all. It seems even less reason for suspicion.

Right now, Elo is my biggest suspicion.

Do you really think that at that point a wave of people were going to go, "Aha, Eloh! Great point! I'm voting JC!" Lorab?

Eloh voted JC after Made took a heptavote. No...that theory cannot be a good one.

Shocking. You and I don't agree on something. And because you disagree and think about games differently, my theory is bad. I refuse to engage with you unless you learn how to disagree and not say or imply the other person that you disagree with is being ridiculous.

Long Con wrote:Epig seems to be down the most, at -$500, from his big bid on the Chance card (will you let us know when you use it, Ep? Are you using it yourself or someone else? Is it Chance or Community Chest that can send you Directly To Jail? That would be funny.) Then Hedgeowl seems to be down $375, which I believe was the price she paid for the Windfall.

Long Con wrote:Ha, I just thought of another reason Epig could give for the early big bid. Maybe the baddies will consider him 'closer to bankruptcy' and avoid wasting their nightkill on a player that is so much closer to death.

LoRab wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

LoRab wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

LoRab wrote:Following through on my thoughts in the post-lynch post. Didn't want to make overt accusations at the start of night. I think that elohcin is Made's teammate. Even if they didn't have BTSC yet, Made had clearly made a slip, and elo was trying to prevent the lynch on the chance that they would, indeed, gain BTSC and be teammates.

That plan would be foolhardy, even among people who already could talk privately with one another.

LoRab wrote:So, I think Elo was trying to deflect attention away from Made and towards others, and stopping the growing opinion against Made.

By diverting attention to JC and BR, it seems she was trying to drop seeds of suspicion on them, hoping for a second bandwagon, and not have to actually defend Made. Which, by the way, she doesn't mention the slip at all in her post--which is odd. And to accuse JC of bandwagoning--when, in fact, there was clear reason to vote for Made, just doesn't make sense.

She makes a case out of 2 players who have played a lot together and have similar thought processes often, asking for each other's opinions early in the game. That doesn't seem odd to me at all. It seems even less reason for suspicion.

Right now, Elo is my biggest suspicion.

Do you really think that at that point a wave of people were going to go, "Aha, Eloh! Great point! I'm voting JC!" Lorab?

Eloh voted JC after Made took a heptavote. No...that theory cannot be a good one.

Shocking. You and I don't agree on something. And because you disagree and think about games differently, my theory is bad. I refuse to engage with you unless you learn how to disagree and not say or imply the other person that you disagree with is being ridiculous.

Overreaction. Bingo.

No. I'm just gotten to the point where I don't want to deal with your insulting attitude that you have towards me in every game we've been in. Including when we had BTSC. I'm just done responding to you and getting into it with you about my opinions. I'll still respond to personal attacks, though.

LoRab wrote: But show me one time when I have had an opinion and you haven't told me that I'm wrong.

LoRab wrote:

juliets wrote:I thought Lorab's point was we need to be able to disagree without implying the other is stupid?

Exactly.

Although I think this goes back to being an immigrant to this forum. And why I strongly consider leaving it every game. The friendly tone that exists on the other forums where I've played just isn't that same here. Attacks often seem personal and disagreements aren't done in a way that are disagreeing with the ideas. I think that my style just doesn't fit in here. but I like a lot of my friends here and I don't have anywhere else to play right now, so I keep sticking around. Maybe I should just learn my lesson and either accept that it's ok to tell others that they can't possibly be right and not understand that doing so is different from disagreeing with someone.

And that one can respect that another player, with a whole crap ton of experience, who happens to think differently than you, might just be right sometimes. Especially when you've seen it happen (and related to ideas that you called stupid).

Epignosis wrote:Lorab, I apologize if my direct approach in your prior experience with me had been off-putting. I mean that. However, you're rather direct too.

LoRab wrote: But show me one time when I have had an opinion and you haven't told me that I'm wrong.

All of here that I can tell, for one. I can pull up more if need be.

I'm not going to reread that whole game, and I don't remember specifically. I was perhaps exaggerating. And it's not so much your direct approach but the way you say things. And whatever. I'm not going to change you. You don't seem to have an interest in changing. I'll just ignore it. I just don't do well with people who are insulting to my intelligence and insight--and you often have insulted both through your reaction to my ideas.

And I'm not even sure how expressing anger after being told that an idea that I had can't possibly be correct (when, it can actually be correct...just like a night poll, in the game when we had BTSC, resulting in a protection that led to a failed kill was an idea you thought couldn't possibly be true--and was, in the end, true).

My brain works differently than yours. It doesn't make me smarter. It doesn't make you smarter. We are probably of equal intelligence--you seem to be about as smart as I am, at least. We just think through things entirely differently. It would be nice to appreciate the diversity instead of attacking it.

LoRab wrote:And I'm not saying not to disagree. I'm saying that you can disagree by saying, "I don't see it that way," or "I don't think that's what's happening." You don't have to tell the other person that they have come up with a ridiculous idea that can't possibly be right.

Elohcin wrote:I have an idea. Epi, what do you think of me this game? Since everyone always seems to believe that you can read me so well.

Elohcin wrote:Seriously though, how do you know not to search for me. Do you have info on my role somehow?

Elohcin wrote:now I must go check to make sure it all got in the toilet HAHA j/k